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If it was proven beyond a doubt that there is no God...

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    Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago

    ...would it destroy your life?

    So many people these days seem so dependent on God for everything, so wrapped up in letting him solve all their problems for them. It absolves them of so much responsibility for their own lives.

    Do you think these people could cope if it was taken away from them? It would be like taking Heroin away from a junkie forever, wouldn't it? Some of them would be so addicted, they would literally die without it, but those who survived it would be stronger in the long run.

    Or would they refuse to believe it, and keep worshipping God anyway? What would churches do? Religion is a multi-billion dollar industry in this country alone.

    1. wilmiers77 profile image60
      wilmiers77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Amie, how would one go about proving that God doesn't exist? I am not the smartest person in the world, but I think that for an orphan to prove that his/her biological parents doesn't exist, so don't worry about it,  would be infinitely easier

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        Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God is not anyone's biological father, because he is not biological.  I'm sure if anyone was looking to prove he did not exist, it would not be someone who believed in him.

        Posing a question doesn't mean I'm worried about it. Believe me, God is the least of my worries, since I don't believe he exists.

        1. aguasilver profile image88
          aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Then why ask the question?

          We will all know the truth soon enough.

          1. Rishy Rich profile image76
            Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Would u care to answer her question?

            1. aguasilver profile image88
              aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Actually I thought I had, but looking back it must have been a similar thread...

              http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/53469?p … ost1221579

              The question (in any case) is a red herring, in that it would be impossible to prove beyond doubt that there was no God, especially to believers who have a relationship with Him, but my earlier post answer (link above) would suffice as my answer, I would revert to being a Wiccan, or Buddhist which were by far the most accommodating choices before I came to faith.

              But as it ain't gonna happen..... smile

              1. Rishy Rich profile image76
                Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                What if God says that you are wrong... smile

                1. aguasilver profile image88
                  aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Then I would accept His judgement, for He is Just.

                  You see I came to believe that He was Just and that I was not, so I placed my faith in Him, and He has been faithful to me in that faith, and I trust Him totally, so if He found me to be wrong, it would be for a Just and perfect reason.

                  1. Rishy Rich profile image76
                    Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    So if he says that he doesnt has a Son & never sent any messages & its foolish to have faith than logic, would u totally agree with him?

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                    stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    'Just' isn't part of "God's" make up.

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            stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            One can't know anything when one is dead.

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            stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm having to piggyback this reply to that of an earlier post.  Reason being there's no <reply> button at the bottom of the post I'm responding to.


            aquasilver wrote;

            "...As I said to Mark earlier, I am no defender of Churchianity or any other man originated religion, but I do defend (verbally and in print) the written word, for Christ is frequently blamed for the actions of man."


            The Abrahamic religions are a man originated religion no different than those you don't follow.  That said, God rightly is blamed for several reasons.  First, the manufacturer retains responsibility for its products.  Secondly, the stated Omni characteristics of; omnipresent and omniscence.  Omni=all.  Thirdly, the oft demonstrated interfereance in human affairs.  Fourthly, the 'Divine Plan' rubbish. 

            There are ramifications and reprecussions to stated attributes and claims.

            aquasilver wrote;
            "I disagree with capital punishment for the same reasons, for it does no good except guarantee that the murderer kills no more (which is possibly all the good that is needed), but I condone capital punishment, because God has dictated that murders should die for their crime, and I trust His decisions to be correct."

            God had dictated all who break the Sabbath at the level of picking up sticks are to have capital punishment applied to them.  God's indicated every Christian on the planet is guilty of this and should be promptly executed. Clearly, you don't trust His decisions to be correct.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        wilmiers77posted

        "Amie, how would one go about proving that God doesn't exist?"

        Toddlers play.  Look at what's given as the definition of the word.  Look at the tenets and base concepts and claims.  Look at the ramifications and repercussions, begged questions and broken logic.

        "I am not the smartest person in the world, but I think that for an orphan to prove that his/her biological parents doesn't exist, so don't worry about it,  would be infinitely easier."

        {BOGGLE}  An orphan is a child who's parents have died.  Death indicates a lack of existence.

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      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The billion dollar industry????  .. is ... NOT ...  God !

         Why do peopleforget that ??

         God is not a religion though he can be found there!
         And sometimes religion is all that the person is looking for, in which case,    that is what they find. 
         Their time is not yet   ...   but soon ....  they will be ready soon........

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God is fiction.  The billion dollar industry, for all intents and purposes, is *God.*  God is a sock puppet.

    3. Zenofsong profile image60
      Zenofsongposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      this is a bit silly, no?
      If you say youve got proof that there is no god i'll just claim some other invisible omnipotent entity as the origin of existence.

      Every man and woman, toad and snail is god manifesting itself as the many things of existence. Yeah, there is no god, he is us.

      1. pisean282311 profile image53
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        it is not at all silly...since it challenges your idea of being, you think it is silly..there was big "IF" with statement..so just suppose there is no god...now how does it effect ur life?...

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Omni characteristics fail due to their own internal contradictions.

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      dutchman1951posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      sense when does a corporation need truth to make a profit???????
      especialy a nonprofit one!

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      _______________________________________
      Whatever it is, it is.
      No one can prove there is no God.

      You would have to know God to understand. Knowing personally that God exists, gives a person strength to go on.

      I have witnessed many people overcome some real obstacles because they trusted that God would help them, whether he is the mind in a person, nature itself, or a feeling God.

      And if we could prove there was God, would you admit it?

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Concerning proof of no God.  Been there, done that, ad nauseum.  Doesn't matter since the theist driver is emotional.

        "You would have to know God to understand. Knowing personally that God exists, gives a person strength to go on."

        The above quote is very silly and nonsense.  Working within general Xian assertions....

        'God is unknowable/No one knows the mind of God' then the believer goes on to state what is 'known' or what God 'wants.'

        Check out the looney bins.  You'll find many people who 'know personally' they're God/Jesus Christ, Napoleon, and all sorts of other delusional things.

        Granted, delusions can give a person strength.

        Your statement about 'overcoming real obstacles' and the like reminds me of an old Honeymooners skit.

        Ralph;  And just *who* took you to the hospital after you got hit with that baseball bat?

        Norton:  You did, Ralph.  *After* you hit me with it!

        You can't 'prove' God.  Heck, you folks can't even come up with a coherent definition for the three letter string!  Begged questions, furious hand waving, unsupported assertions, and broken logic don't a definition make.

        That you believe is your business.  That many people don't buy the superstition theists peddle is also your problem.

    6. lady_love158 profile image58
      lady_love158posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If god didn't exist man would invent him.

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        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It doesn't and we did. sad

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          With each individual believer 'rolling their own' God.

          God is a sock puppet.

          Thou Art God-Lazarus Long a character in a Robert A. Heinlein novel.

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Many believers would shout; "Get thee behind me, Satan."  Its emotion based.  Reason and evidence don't enter the theistic universe.

  2. spookyfox profile image71
    spookyfoxposted 6 years ago

    "Or would they refuse to believe it, and keep worshipping God anyway?"

    Very likely. And maybe claim that the proof is the work of the devil.

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      Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Or Obama's fault.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      the ones that would face up to reality might experience grief.  Those that ignore sense will continue to believe what they want to believe (and stuff it down other people's throats)

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Those who face up to reality might also experience; rage at the betrayal by parents, as well as great pain at having to waste years eliminating the malevolent religious programming they should have been protected from in the first place.

        Religion is for people who can't handle reality.

  3. pylos26 profile image75
    pylos26posted 6 years ago

    The desperate and weak would take the easy way and invent something to worship.

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      Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, I suppose the crippled must have a crutch.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        While they inwardly rage at those who stand on their own two feet and stride past the hobblers.

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    stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago

    God helps those who help themselves.  So, it isn't like we just sit back and wait on everything to come to us.  We know we have to do our part.  We do take responsibility for our lives.
    Actually God's existance, or not, can't be proven either way.  The people who have felt him, his love, will never doubt him.

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      Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "God helps those how help themselves"...You know that's not from the Bible, don't you? It's from Shakespeare, I think.  Funny how so many Christians who swear they know the bible quote that so often.

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        stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I wasn't quoting from the Bible.  If I were to I would use the one that says, don't work, don't eat.  Funny how athiest misunderstand so much that a Christian says.

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          Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not an Atheist, thank you, I'm a Pantheist, but that being said, I've read and studied four versions of the Bible and taught bible classes for years, so I do know a little about it.

          Believe me, there are more Christians who don't really know the Bible than those who do.

      2. libby101a profile image59
        libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "God helps those who help themselves"

        Written by Ben Franklin!

        I think more christians know the Bible than you think! There may be a few who don't but I think or hope most of them have read their bibles and studied the scriptures out as I have! If they don't then shame on them!

  5. spookyfox profile image71
    spookyfoxposted 6 years ago

    Is it me or everyone's completely missing the point of this question? It's not how do you prove that god doesn't exist? or would it be possible to prove that god doesn't exist?

    It's what if.

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      Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I know, you know, but everyone else just wants to spout their own views. So be it.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Threads, like life, evolve.

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    klarawieckposted 6 years ago

    Amie, my favorite movie is "Contact" featuring Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey. She is a skeptic scientist and he is a preacher. There is a line where she asks him "How can you be certain that there is a God? How do you know you're not deluding yourself?" He answers: "I wouldn't want to live in a world where there's no God."
    I think this is true for most people. It's not a matter of not wanting to take responsibility for our faults. It's a matter of feeling like we belong to something greater than ourselves.

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      spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wonderful film. It didn't really portray religious people in a very good light though, besides the priest. It was based on Carl Sagan's book afterall and he was not a fan of god.

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think it shows clear examples of what happens when people become fanatics of religion and science. The character that Jodie Foster plays is a fanatic of science. She had not even considered having a normal life since she was so concerned with her work. It's not until after she experiences something she can't explain that she begins to walk in someone else's shoes.

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I would indicate for her it was a normal life.  No different than Condoleeza Rice {former US Secretary of State} or other driven goal oriented folks.

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      Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      But even without God, we DO belong to something greater than ourselves. We belong to the Universe. How much bigger than that can you get?

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        klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, but in my personal opinion (and note I am not a religious person) I believe that God is the energy that embodies and moves everything that exists in the universe. I'm not thinking of an old white-bearded grandpa sitting on a throne surrounded by angels and clouds. So, if God is the Universe, then we do belong to it, just as we belong to the force that created it. smile

        P.S. - I'm passing the soup secret among friends. You are becoming famous!

        1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
          Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          klarawieck, I agree. God is truly the main source of all his creations.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Trivially so.

        We are a very very very very very  etc small and insignificant part of the universe.  The universe isn't sentient so I don't think belong is the proper term.  YMMV, of course.  smile

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Belong.  Concerning Christianity such is slavery.

      So often things come down to the 'promise' of 'Eternal Life' coupled with the 'eternal binary consequence' of 'Heaven' and 'Hell.'

  7. Merlin Fraser profile image73
    Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago

    For those that are interested there is ample proof of the non existence of God, however as mentioned here, there are many who need the crutch of faith to sustain their lives and give their existence some sort of meaning, other than the obvious.

    For the greater part it is not a failure of education it is rather a refusal to believe or accept the blindingly obvious.  Of course, as we have demonstrated here in the Hub Pages forum it is clearly a waste of time trying to explain anything to anyone with such religious mind set.    Mentally they are incapable of accepting such information and will use the most ridiculous arguments and Biblical quotes to justify and cling to their belief.

    Presumably their life would be meaningless without God, a fact I find a little sad since it demonstrates how little they think of themselves and their abilities.

    1. aguasilver profile image88
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good to see your normal pomposity is still working overtime.

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      Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Our minds do what they need to do to survive. If your mind isn't capable of believing or coping with reality, it will go into a dissociative state, which is the state most religious fanatics live in.  Some of them even live in a fugue state, totally divorced from any reasonable sense of reality.

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Merlin Fraser posted

      "For those that are interested there is ample proof of the non existence of God, however as mentioned here, there are many who need the crutch of faith to sustain their lives and give their existence some sort of meaning, other than the obvious."

      A person can give them self a 'purpose' then change it when they choose.

      Concerning a universe spanning multiple omni character-there is nothing a theist can do for such a entity.

      There would be no notice or connection to said entity much less any 'relationship' personal or otherwise.


      "For the greater part it is not a failure of education it is rather a refusal to believe or accept the blindingly obvious.  Of course, as we have demonstrated here in the Hub Pages forum it is clearly a waste of time trying to explain anything to anyone with such religious mind set."

      Of course not, but there are lurkers observing the interchanges.  Theists are driven by emotional needs, induced or otherwise.  Reason and objective evidence don't enter their universe.  Its a royal mind f**k.


      "Mentally they are incapable of accepting such information and will use the most ridiculous arguments and Biblical quotes to justify and cling to their belief."

      Toddler tactics as per those seen from those who've just learned Santa Claus doesn't really deliver toys to all the good girls and boys.  That's what I find the most horrifying-the mental level of those tactics.

      "Presumably their life would be meaningless without God, a fact I find a little sad since it demonstrates how little they think of themselves and their abilities."

      Their meager existence is less meaningless with their deity. 

      Being very charitable, what if their 'purpose' was, as an infant, puking on someone to distract someone else for a moment.

      The purpose of their life was fulfilled at the very beginning of life.  Should they then die since there's no further use for them?

      I've asked theists this many times.  I've never gotten a reply.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The Creator-God Allah YHWH does exist; so there is no "if"; the valid question is if we exist.

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      chubatemjenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Amie..you raised a good question..to take away heroine from a junkie isn't the same of God being invalidated..Matter of faith and belief goes much more than tangible objects or even mental states that are transitory in nature.
      As such it forms an inseparable aspect of your life..the Bread of Life for Christians....Brahman of Hindus... etc..It is in fact the inherent subtle force .   
      One need to be spiritual.

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        Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        WHY does one need to be spirtual? There are plenty of perfectly happy non-spiritual people in the world. I'm very spiritual, but I'm not religious, but I would still be able to have a good life without being spiritual.

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Solipsism.

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    Bill Manningposted 6 years ago

    I have a very good friend who is religious. We are best friends, old school buddies. I don't believe in any higher being. We have fun debating the whole god thing, it's all good.

    Anyway I once said he must be very religious and very loyal to it since he goes to church all the time.

    He replied that he does not go because he's so loyal, he goes because he NEEDS to hear what the church says. He goes because he needs to know there is a god looking over him.

    He said he could not imagine thinking that everything is just up to him, that he controls everything in his life. He can't go through life thinking that it's all up to him, nothing more.

    He needs to believe in something, anything, to help him get through life. God or no god, he needs one, see? So prove or no prove, people like him will still believe in a higher form.

    I'm fine with that, we all need something. That's why I don't debate this crap. If you need to believe in a higher being, go for it. It helps you in life, so who am I to take that away?

    So in answer to your question, they already go on believing anyway, right now, something, anything to help them live. As we all do in our own way.

    I believe I need to get me a Dunkin Dougnuts coffee right now to get me through the day!! big_smile

    1. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What would be interesting to know is the reason why he believes he needs to believe? Perhaps, it is the very religion he follows that created the psychological need for him to believe in the first place? Food for his thought. smile

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        BINGO!  In the main, such a need is deliberately and with malice aforethought created in the defenseless mind.

        I can't recall who the Bishop or Cardinal who's said to have stated; "Give us a child before he is seven and he will not stray from the path we put him on."

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      Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I can understand that. It's not every man who is capable of surviving without a crutch of some sort, in fact, very few can. Even those who claim to be atheists have some sort of crutch...money, power, fame....whatever.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        All an atheist is is a person who isn't a theist.  Theists are atheist with regard to all other deity(ies) but theirs.

        I lack belief in deity constructs.  That and pocket change will get me a cup of coffee.  [shrug]

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Kudos to your friend, Bill.  He knows himself.  He knows what he needs and why he needs it.

      I would indicate he's a very wise man, and you're welcome to pass that along to him.

      Regards,

  10. pisean282311 profile image53
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    would it destroy my life.No..i dont believe in god as described by religions...but i believe even if someone discovers that there is no god with proper proof, it must not be made public...it would be dangerous thing to do that...

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I've heard many Xians indicate if they weren't restrained by the threat of Hell they'd be out, raping, murdering, pillaging, thieving, among all sorts of unsavory enterprises.

      So many cannot be unobserved or 'off leash.'

  11. alternate poet profile image63
    alternate poetposted 6 years ago

    If  a god rolled up dying and told the religionists as it rolled over just " I am dead" they would spend the next thousand years telling us what it really meant.

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      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol

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      aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Funny that....you just quoted some scripture!

      Revelation 20:4-6 (Amplified Bible)

      Then I saw thrones, and sitting on them were those to whom authority to act as judges and to pass sentence was entrusted. Also I saw the souls of those who had been slain with axes [beheaded] for their witnessing to Jesus and [for preaching and testifying] for the Word of God, and who had refused to pay homage to the beast or his statue and had not accepted his mark or permitted it to be stamped on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived again and ruled with Christ (the Messiah) a thousand years.

      The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed.

      This is the first resurrection.

      Blessed (happy,to be envied) and holy (spiritually whole, of unimpaired innocence and proved virtue) is the person who takes part (shares) in the first resurrection!

      Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of God and of Christ (the Messiah), and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.

      Come soon Lord Jesus!

      smilesmilesmile

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        yes!! Praise God!

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          libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Double Yes!!!

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            marty1968posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Amen and Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        He's been breathing hard for two millennia!  Talk about a terminal case of blue balls.

  12. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 6 years ago

    It is not possible to prove any non-existence. smile

    1. BDazzler profile image80
      BDazzlerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Misha, I thought I already proved to you that I don't exist and neither do you.  Why are you contradicting that? tongue

  13. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 6 years ago

    Just for fun David, just for fun. In fact, if I don't exist, I can't contradict anything. wink

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      BDazzlerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's a very good point, Misha, I'm sorry I contradicted you smile

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The Creator-God Allah YHWH does exist; so there is no "if"; the valid question is if we exist.

  15. schoolgirlforreal profile image74
    schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago

    No it wouldn't and I'm (very) spiritual.
    I would just adapt
    and have as much fun as I could!

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How so {if I may ask}?  {curiosity}

  16. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 6 years ago

    If there was no God then I guess I would stop trying to be nice to people who are not nice to me. Stop trying to do the right thing, even though there are those who are preditors, I still try to be nice and respectful. But if there is no accountability then why bother being nice.

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      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      well actually without accountability if one is nice , it makes one realize true self...it is great to be nice without motivation of heaven ,being in good books of any god or in fear in getting hell for eternity..if one is nice irrespective of what he/she gets that manifests the humanness and is in fact much better than being nice with purpose of something...

      1. Diane Inside profile image80
        Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        no there is no reward in being nice to go to heaven, When I am nice it is because I believe we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us, right. 

        Well, if someone is not nice, but down right mean, should I turn the other cheek, when there is no accountability.  No!  I wouldn't turn the other cheek, and would put that person in his place.

        But because I believe that one should turn the other cheek and not lash out at every unfortunate person who comes my way who is not nice, I feel that I am trying to be better than my instincts tell me to be. Because that is what God would want me to do.

        If there were no God then what would it matter, Mind you I wouldn't be mean just to be mean, but at the same time, I would not make the effort to be nice when others make it hard to do so.

        1. pisean282311 profile image53
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          i got your point of view..thanks for sharing...

      2. schoolgirlforreal profile image74
        schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't buy that.

        1. pisean282311 profile image53
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          it is not for buying..it is paramount of humaness..

          any person doing good without fear of hell or heaven..without being concerned whether there is god or not is highest level of what human can reach..since humans are self interested being...doing good for being in good books or heaven or hell is easy and natural than doing good for sake of doing good...latter part is difficult ...but if implemented it woudl bring human to next level...

  17. schoolgirlforreal profile image74
    schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago

    You know, I know at least one person who has told me (and they are agnostic or atheist) that they are unhappy in life because they didn't choose to be born.
    that if they came out of a "rich womb" life would have been better.
    so your perspective is obviously a factor in your happiness.
    What's wrong in beliving there's a better life in Heaven?

    1. pisean282311 profile image53
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      am not saying there is anything wrong..it is perfect and infact i may say quite natural way of thinking...concept of heaven does exist much before all organized religion came into being...so humans think that way and since it works it is nice way too...

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        schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        well that was unexpected smile

  18. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 6 years ago

    It amazes me that unbelievers talk so much of morales and values.
    It is actually comical.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why is that? We are morally superior. This is obvious.

      1. Diane Inside profile image80
        Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes the fact that you say that is highly comical. lol

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You would not understand, obviously. You are blinded by your beliefs. So sad. sad

          1. Diane Inside profile image80
            Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It just seems to me that predators have no morals. If you are not a predator, why do you seek out religious forums to comment in. If not to attack, anyone who has any belief at all.  It seems to me if you are so moral, you would leave us little peasants alone, since we are to ignorant to understand what the heck you might be talking about.

            I mean please, we are beneath you, why would you bother.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Why? An attempt to educate in order to prevent the countless conflicts and wars caused by the religious. Sorry you are incapable of understanding true morality, but I must try.  So sad. sad

              Are you preying for Jesus to come back and force us to our knees as well?

              1. Diane Inside profile image80
                Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Get off your High Horse, Mark.

                You are no better than anybody else. Sorry to burst your bubble, but facts are facts.

                1. pisean282311 profile image53
                  pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  @diane attacking someone on forum is different thing and taking someone's life is different thing..name one atheist which killed masses for no god theme?...while religion has killed and would kill in future too in name of someone whom they call full of love ...history is filled by politics and religion killing maximum people...so religion and politics are last entities which can preach morality...i am not saying that people following religion are not moral..far from it...most are great people..no doubt about it...but religion as entity has no grounds to call for morality....

                  1. aguasilver profile image88
                    aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Lenin..... need more?

                    Between them they killed 75 million folk.

              2. marty1968 profile image57
                marty1968posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Mark it may be a laughing matter to you now but when the day comes and you are on your knees you will say to yourself "they tried to tell me and I was too stubborn to listen" My friend Im afraid your heart has been hardened just as Pharoahs was when God led the children away from bondage. And My friend, You WILL be on your knees cause no man is worthy to stand in God's presence

                1. pisean282311 profile image53
                  pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  why are you deciding on someone's worthiness?

                2. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Please stop threatening me with your invisible super being. And you wonder why you cause so much ill will? You are not my friend. My friends do not shove their ridiculous beliefs down my throat with threats.

                  How offensive it is that you feel the need to threaten in god's name. Does it make you feel powerful?

                  1. marty1968 profile image57
                    marty1968posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thats no threat. Its a promise

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                  stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  [sigh]  There it is-the same old empty threat.

                  'Astonishing' how Xians natter the same drivel while ignoring all the older religions who's deity promises the same eternal and dire consequences.

      2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Mark, you think you are morally superior than God also don't you?

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Demonstrably so.  First, Mark can be demonstrated to exist.

          Secondly, he's never threatened anyone with eternal torture where the 'fire dieth not and the worm never turns.'

          1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
            Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            God has exist before the creation of this world. Secondly, that's not a threat, it's a warning from God's word in the bible. God give everyone a choice to go to heaven or hell. Mark will never be morally superior above God, and that's a fact.

            1. Jerami profile image75
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes !  Like if you tell your child; "don't put your hand in the fire cause it will burn your skin!"   Is not a threat ! 
                  It is a warning.    AND    "Don't drive down that road in the car that you are driving!   You are going to get stuck".

                  It isn't a threat  but a warning!

                  As they Say !   A word to the wise is sufficient!


                   And instead of saying  ....I told ya so!  ...
              Now Ya Know sounds much nicer.

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Jerami, nicely stated! It's a shame how someone constantly tries to make God look evil. God loves each and everyone of us.

                1. Jerami profile image75
                  Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  YEP!   Some people will always find something that THEY  in Their infinate wisdom;  is going to think,  "That Ain't  right"

            2. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No, it is indeed a threat. A warning would be a message of a danger. A threat is where there is an intention to inflict harm.

              Making a choice to go to heaven or hell is a threat, not a warning. If it was just a warning, then one should have the capacity to avoid both heaven and hell. smile

              1. Jerami profile image75
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                If you had designed the world that is the way it would be?

                    Can YOU really do that?

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I would never have designed a world in which threats of eternal damnation existed for those who simply wished to use their brains. smile

                  1. Jerami profile image75
                    Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    So you support anarchy??

              2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Beelzedad, You are a right! a warning is a message of danger. The bible warns us about hell, not threaten. God does not have a intention to inflict harm, so therefore it's not a threat. I am sure you will found a way to rebel again. Take care

    2. pisean282311 profile image53
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      because morality and religion seems to be in symmetry but actually both are two different things..one may be religious and morally upright as well as morally corrupt..in same way being morally upright doesnot require being religious at all...every one does have basic sense of morality which is in built ,one doesnot need conditioning of religion for it...

      countries sitting right at top on moral index are infact non religious countries where majority have filled spiritual but not religious box...

      1. aguasilver profile image88
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Which ones would that be?

        1. pisean282311 profile image53
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          quiet a few but for e.g. - sweden...According to different studies, between 46% and 85% of Swedes do not believe in God...

          Newzealand - Christianity is the predominant religion in New Zealand, held by 55.6% of the population, a decrease from 60.6% at the 2001 census. Another 34.7% indicated that they had no religion, up from 29.6% in 2001

          Finland -The second largest group - and a rather quickly growing one - of 17.7% of the population has no religious affiliation.

          In various countries religion is quickly eroding but integrity and morality aren't..simple example that two are different things...

          My only worry is eroding of one religion and second filling the vacuum is not the answer though...

          Moral values without religion controlling lives is ideal evolution according to me..I dont mind people being religious as long as it remains private matter and has nothing to do with politics and public domain...

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            Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Historically, religion has been used for politics, to control people

            1. pisean282311 profile image53
              pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              agreed..religion is for controlling people and using masses to achieve goals...goals vary from finances to power to stay influential.

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                Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I've just been reading how the bible is all code for astrology.  Very interesting. 
                http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/david16.html
                The leaders of the church knew the code, and could "predict" the best times for planting and harvest etc by stargazing

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            stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            pisean282311 posted;

            "Moral values without religion controlling lives is ideal evolution according to me..I dont mind people being religious as long as it remains private matter and has nothing to do with politics and public domain..."

            Exactly.  It being a private matter is ordered by Jesus which is generally ignored by his 'followers.'

  19. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 6 years ago

    No you give religion to much power and people no credit.  Religion is only a belief system, whatever belief that may be.  People who kill in the name of religion only use that as an excuse. Therefore it is not the religion that does anything it is the people who decide to kill people.

    Like I said intolerace to other beliefs and down right greed that causes war.

    Not all followers of any religion believe they should not be tolerant, it is a select few who hold those beliefs.

    1. pisean282311 profile image53
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      well you are right but select few only matter actually..it is select few who make religion , it is select few who direct masses and it is select few who decide...general people follow with belief they are born with or take option which they think is best...but options have already been decided by select few...

      1. Diane Inside profile image80
        Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Like I said you give people no credit.  To decide for themselves, what they want, or believe.

        1. pisean282311 profile image53
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          well i give all credit to humans only...i give none of credit to god...all credit is for humans who defied nature ...religion too is human's creation and has been wonderful in directing human race..i give credit to all those who came up with these idea..though i dont like religion because of its outdated concepts and dangerous possibilities , i do give religion credit for contributing in human evolution..without religion social order would have been difficult think to achieve...marriage , do good , fear god all worked and helped humans evolve...for me it is all humans , all the way ,right from 0.2 million years....

          coming to what people believe..well my saying anything wont change what people believe...would it?..people think they decide what they belief but that is possible only if all religions are taught since childhood..as well as atheism is taught..then people have choice...how can one decide when one is not given option?

          1. Diane Inside profile image80
            Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            okay good we agree it is people who decide.

  20. CYBERSUPE profile image60
    CYBERSUPEposted 6 years ago

    God Bless America, where we are free to worship whomever we want. In God we trust, seems to in all our pockets.

  21. LeslieAdrienne profile image83
    LeslieAdrienneposted 6 years ago

    You asked, "Or would they refuse to believe it, and keep worshiping God anyway?"

    This would be me......

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Which is your prerogative.  smile

      Cheers

 
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