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Are Atheists morally superior to believers?

  1. Rishy Rich profile image77
    Rishy Richposted 6 years ago

    Atheists sometimes claim that & they do have some reason for such claims. Whats your views on this? & WHY?

    Remember, exceptions should not be examples. We are talking about the majority of the group not individuals.

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      AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Before I respond, let me consider what my personal Holy Book has to say on this subject:

      "You have no respect for excessive authority or obsolete traditions. You're dangerous and depraved, and you ought to be taken outside and shot!" Catch-22, Chapter 27, Page 309

      I would have to answer in the affirmative.

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        cool

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        Rookie70posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds more like "Hitch 22."  Nice book if you're an atheist.

      3. Castlepaloma profile image27
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That comfirms why Christain are 10% (per capita) higher than Atheist in USA jails.

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good question.  First an atheist is a person who isn't a theist.  That's it.  It doesn't say anything about morality or ethics.

      The answer depends on many factors and how you're looking at things.

      As a broad spectrum answer to institutionalized Christianity the answer is 'Yes.'

      Reason for the affirmative answer is individual Xians support a deity and organization which promotes eternal torture.  Total amorality.

      Even the Nazi Christians could only kill you.  Limited amorality.

      The lack of theism isn't a motivator for anything.

      Cheers

      1. James A Watkins profile image92
        James A Watkinsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Adolph Hitler was an Atheist who hated the Christian church as an obstacle to his socialistic dreams, as do all socialists.

        1. tonymac04 profile image87
          tonymac04posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          James - not all socialists are atheists and not all atheists are socialists. Furthermore Hitler was not an atheist and often expressed his admiration for those sections of the church which supported his mad policies. And to call him a socialist is also stretching things rather. His part had Socialism in its name, to be sure, but it was a strange sort of socialism.
          In fact he was vigorously opposed to socialism and persecuted the socialists.
          Hitler in fact stated that Germany should be the God of the German people. Hardly an atheistic statement.To quote: "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."

        2. Rishy Rich profile image77
          Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          James, its a common mistake all Christians do. Hitler wasnt an atheist. By birth he was a catholic christian & by views he was a nazi aryan.

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          AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You, too, can graduate laude how cum? just like James did!  Just send in three box tops and get this nifty history decoder ring made from a real wood chip from the cross of Jesus!

        4. Theology4Reality profile image61
          Theology4Realityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, Adolf Hitler was a practicing Roman Catholic. True fact.

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image80
            ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That's interesting and so maybe that is why killing the Jews is justified.

            1. hanging out profile image58
              hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              actually it shows you that, either Hitler wasn't a practicing RC or RC sucks as a religion (which it does) and i would like to add, if Hitler was practicing according to the roman catholic belief system, which i am sure he was not, what does that have to do with Christendom? Have you not read often enough and in the hubs that anything catholic is not considered christian, in order to be christian you have to follow jesus christ not mary.
              There, just a little bit of thought and all this could have been avoided.

              Actually i tend to go with rishy rich on this one. Only someone who does not hold life in high regard or has an agenda beyond his birth religion (lol birth religion, nobody is born into religion according to the bible). Hitler is a prime example that atheism is problematic. ... wasn't hitler also a 33 degree mason?

              1. rdlang05 profile image87
                rdlang05posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Wow... I don't know if I have ever heard anything so spiteful, ignorant, and fallacious on here in a long time...

                Maybe everyone on here should check facts before spouting off mumbo jumbo...

                http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitl … ious_views

                Hitler rarely, if ever, mentions himself as "Catholic" in any of his own writings... mostly he was a "spiritual" person but against organized religion.

                Anyway, sorry for the harsh reaction, but your comment seemed erroneous on many levels...

          2. tonymac04 profile image87
            tonymac04posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            He was baptised Catholic but was not in adult life a practising one.

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Are you sure about that, James?  Hilter claimed to be a christian.  There's a new thread with info.

          You also believe that Eve was white because she was made from a rib and ribs are white?

    3. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I cannot and do not speak for all atheists, just myself.

      Yes - I am morally superior to the religionists here on hubpages.

      For several reasons, but mainly because I am honest. When I attack them - I am honest about it, I do not blame it on "god hating the sin" and pretending that is not an attack.

      Secondly - I have determined my own moral compass based on reason, rationality and respect for other people. I am not following selected scripture and pointing a finger accusingly.

      Personally, I find it reprehensible when a divorcée attacks some one for being homosexual, because both are "sins" according to their ridiculous rule book that none of them follow. Many of them claim not to be expressing their own opinions and instead to be speaking on behalf of an "un-knowable, incomprehensible," god, yet they cannot see the contradiction and hypocrisy inherent in that.

      This proves to me that believers who do this have no moral or ethical standards at all. None.

      They are taught that they do not need to develop morals, because they are handed to them on a plate, which is the genuine reason for the state of our society. Not because people are "turning away from god," but because the believers are incapable of determining moral standards and ethics applicable to modern society.

      So - yes - I would stand my morals up against any self professed believer, and if they have trimmed their side burns, eaten shell fish or gotten a divorce, they have no moral basis because they choose not to follow the one they are claiming to.

      I follow my morals and ethics.
      They do not.

      Atheists are not a "group," but a quick look at the statistics for religious affiliations of convicted criminals in the USA shows a far higher proportion of self-professed believers than atheists compared to the overall population.

      Whether this is a reflection of educational standards or belief systems is open to debate because the most religious people tend to be the least well educated, and thus more likely to end up in prison.

      Any religionist who wants to show me as anything other than morally sound is more than welcome to attempt to do so. big_smile

      1. ceciliabeltran profile image80
        ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        " i am morally superior" --really?

        calling yourself superior anything puts your morals into question particularly when you are pertaining to a group, because just as atheists are different, so are people you can religionists. to generalize them as a crop and judge their morality is not only a major joke, it is ignorant.

        are you morally superior than mother theresa? what about st. francis of assisi or even the lubivitcher.  You can't judge people as a group. It's just funny that you would even think you could claim motherhood statements like this.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes - you completely missed the irony as usual. Oh well - stuck in your thinking as always. But yes - I am morally superior to Giovanni Bernardone Morosini. Perhaps you should consider reading real history books instead of the ones you have been reading? wink

      2. hanging out profile image58
        hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Divorce, since you are stuck on that is forgiven when a person becomes saved and born again according to the pattern in the bible. They can even marry again because all their past sins are forgotten by God.
        Until that happens all people who live without God and are divorced and remarried commit adultery.
        Yes there are a lot of adulterers in the world.
        But jesus can set even that straight.
        This is the love of God.
        hallelujah!

        1. alternate poet profile image63
          alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yippeeeeeee !!!   a licence to sin and sin again and again - no wonder so many child and woman abusers are religious fols, but that is ok because they have been forgiven, again and again and again.

          1. hanging out profile image58
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            wrong again.
            God forgives on the sinners prayer of repentance, one time for all PAST sins. Slate clean. Now as each day passes some christian may drop the ball so to speak, and say sorry to God and start again. This is okay up to a certain point or number of times. You see, the true repentant heart will be sorrowful enough to try hard to NOT sin that same way again, but if the person does fail, God will forgive again, in this you are correct BUT you go to far. When God encounters an UNrepentant heart, one that is stubborn to keep doing that sin over again, God will stop forgiving and put that person in a wilderness experience until they learn, some never learn and God departs from them and leaves them alone. In this situation it seems the christian (for they may enjoy being called a christian while they do bad things) is sinning with Gods permission, but God is not in the picture because the person had God on ignore. This professed christian can end up in hell if it dies denying Gods effect on his life.
            It is always the inclination of God to correct evil ways and make christ like people. So it is not okay that people sin in any way with God and it is the lifelong object of christians to be more like jesus. So there is no license to sin and sin and sin. In that you are wrong. If this were the time of the OT which everybody says oh why did God kill... the child and woman abusers you speak of so gaily would be killed not to repeat their offense.

      3. Theology4Reality profile image61
        Theology4Realityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Mark... Despite my being a theist, I do agree with you. As humans, we have a basic moral compass. I know many Aethiests, agnostics, and seekers who behave significantly more moral than theists (specifically christians.

        In fact, I know more Aethiests who behave "biblically" than I do Christians. I still believe in God, but I have lost faith in the persons who claim to follow him.

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          AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          If you take this a step further, the authors of the books of the New Testament were simply "persons who claim to follow him", which explains the inconsistencies among the vairious lessons. 

          Go far enough and you lose faith in the whole silly fable.

          1. hanging out profile image58
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol
            have you decided upon comedy as a choice of career? The differences of gospel content is because each gospel reveals more of the situation and always adds more truth and understanding to the content. Also, because yes there is more, surprise surprise, another statement is about to bite the dust because it is untrue... the gospels are from different viewpoints, whereas a jewish person will give insight into jewish matter and gentile will approach from a gentile aspect of course.. ALSO.. yes a third point to completely watch you statement go down in flames, naturally... the audience the gospel is directed to is different. one wrote to a jewish audience, another to a gentile audience and one to both jew and gentile.
            Go figure huh.
            I have quoted this before but maybe you missed it or just wanted to forget about it completely
            Deuteronomy 19:15   One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.  3 gospels = 3 witnesses... isn't God amazing when he writes HIS book.
            just to show you jesus agrees with the OT principles,
            Matthew 18:16   But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
            have a nice day! I hope this helps you understand more and keeps you from disbelieving in this whole silly fable.

    4. Onusonus profile image86
      Onusonusposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How can one be morally superior when they abandon the spirit of prophecy, and the holy life? True happiness comes from everlasting life, and the only way to have eternal bliss is to be one with that spirit which dwells within you. It is not in the nature of men to sucessfully fabricate their own morality.

      Take a glimpse at the countries which have tried to do this. Communist countries in particular are devoid of moral structure, or at least have a much lower standard. Human life, and freedom of choice means little to them.

      1. Rishy Rich profile image77
        Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        1. So r u suggesting theists are morally superior to atheists?


        2. Can you explain how does spirit of prophecy relates to Human morality?



        3. How do you define holy life? Your words seem to conclude that atheists live nothing but unholy life.

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        Rookie70posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Onusonus, you are right. I can say Amen to that.

    5. andromida profile image75
      andromidaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There is no straight forward answer to this question.If you ask this very same question to a believer, he will claim that believers are morally much stronger than atheists. I guess you will get the same answer if you ask this question to an atheist.

      1. TamCor profile image79
        TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this



        Very smart, very mature answer...of course, most on here would disagree...since THEY already know who is the most moral...

        roll



        aka-dj--Love the "I draw the line at bowing down" line... lol

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          aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks. big_smile

    6. James A Watkins profile image92
      James A Watkinsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Atheists are evil. Anyone who denies God is evil. I watch these forums but rarely comment and the Atheists are incredibly nasty. I rarely see a hateful comment from a Christian but the Atheists specialize in hate. Then by transference they accuse Christians of being "haters."

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Here's an excellent example of a hateful comment from a Christian:



        smile

      2. tonymac04 profile image87
        tonymac04posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        James - I have met atheists who lead exemplary lives and theists who seem to me to be totally immoral. It was Christians, after all, who burnt people at the stake and supported slavery for centuries. I don't think either side has a monopoly of either good or evil. In my country the evil ideology of apartheid was actively supported by many Christians, in spite of it having been declared a "heresy" by many churches and church organisations.
        I don't think that the theists are particularly noted for their "nice" comments either. I have read some extremely judgemental ones from Christians.

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          same here.  I came on here agnostic after very bad experiences of christianity growing up.  Yes, some of the atheists are abrasive, but they do make sense.  Some of the christians here (mostly of the pentecostal variety) have been attacking, preaching etc and then claiming they are hated.   The bigotry has come from a few "christians". 
          I have not observed this with anyone else from different religions.
          The hypocrisy & intolerance of the christians on here are repulsive.  I consider myself now more atheist than agnostic.  The christian religion does not stand up to scrutiny and the representatives here speak volumes about their real character with what they say here.

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          Rookie70posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          tonymac04, you said that it was the Christians who burned people at the stake. My first question is who said they were Christians? And secondly, they could have been labeled communists for all I care.

          Another thing, do atheists ever consider the fact that people have used Christianity as a cloak to promote their evil agenda?  I could easily form a Civil union that promotes same-sex marriages, even if I know within my self that  homosexuality is wrong, but because of my stubborn ill-will to repent, I could easily form a union that would justify my personal alternative lifestyle. That wouldn't make it right, and neither would it be justified. Likewise, people have hid behind Christianity in order to win power over the lives and the minds of other people, such as Adolf Hitler, who always wore the cross symbol around his neck. He even organized his own religion called Nazi-ism, he actually baptised his converts to become his Nazis. And he used Christian symbols. So if you're going to ignorantly associate evil deeds with Christianity, you are certainly one of those closed-mind atheists.

          1. spookyfox profile image72
            spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            1.  Would it really make sense if the universe's existence lasted for so long with no purpose other than for all species and humans to die, and the world end with no further cause?

            It wouldn't because reality does not make sense of itself, nor it needs to. We make sense of reality. The Universe was here long before we made sense of it; it doesn't need sense being made out of it, we do (or at least some of us).

            2. How did the universe come into existence?
            How is a question religion does not provide an answer at all. Religion says who, maybe when (some do) and more importantly to the case, why. But never how. It hasn't tried either. It is science which explains the 'how' of things.

            3. Did you ever consider the fact that morality is more that just a physical act or behavior? and that it is also an intangible thing like love, compassion, kindness?  The fact is, atheists don't understand that those intangible things did not originate with mankind who is tangible, but they originated with an intangible supreme being, which is evidence in itself that God does exist.

            I do understand that morality is more than phyisical, and all the other things you mention. But from there you make the completely absurd assumption that those things were there before us. If those things are not human, then they'd be present everywhere. But in fact they're completely absent from most of the known Universe, or even from most of this planet. If there were traces of a higher morality in plants, animals, insects, mountains, wind, etc., I'd believe almost surely in what you're saying. But the fact that the we're the only species with such a complex system of morals should make you see that we are a part of Nature, and morals are a part of us. This does not balance the subject against the existence of god at all, but it does completely against the link between it and morals.

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        AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hey, James.  Go fuck yourself - with God's blessings.

        1. hanging out profile image58
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nice of you to support what james said.
          You are so nice.
          James is not talking about all atheists.. the atheists on here.. no wonder you people cant understand the bible you have no concept of context, context, context.

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            AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Why should I be nice to a bigot who judges me based on his personal belief?    These were the words of James, if you don't remember: "Atheists are evil. Anyone who denies God is evil."

            1. hanging out profile image58
              hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              because you supposedly have superior morals
              lol
              WE try not to swear at you, its a morals thing lol
              there's the sliding scale again.
              jesus doesn't like what atheists do.
              Matthew 10:33   But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
              of course we know Jesus went to the cross to save ALL sinners. There is superiority of morals in this action that nobody can equal.

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        thanks a lot, James.  I previously thought you were a christian that had more sense that to do the blanket "all...."  Will remove myself as a follower - I don't want to follow people that are haters

    7. deepthinker76 profile image55
      deepthinker76posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Morals as defined by whom? Who writes the ultimate book of TRUE MORAL REASONING and WHAT GIVES THE AUTHOR THAT RIGHT TO DEFINE MORAL SUPERIORITY

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    A good question.

  3. thisisoli profile image57
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    I don't think morality has anything to do with religion.  Morality is in someones personality.  You can get moral, and moral-less Christians just as you can get moral and moral-less atheists.

    I do think however that abiding by the beliefs of Christianity does not necessarily give you moral values, and it can in fact prevent you from learning your own moral code.

    Helping an old lady cross the street without thinking about it is moral, there is no self interest.  Abiding by Christian values so you get in to heaven is a selfish act.

    That is not to say that follwing Christian values is selfish, just following them with an ultimate goal.

    In my opinon morality has no connection to a religious perspective.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      morality has no connection to an irreligious perspective either

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      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree entirely with Oli.

      Mother Teresa, although controversial, always had genuine intentions to help others.

      The Catholic priests throughout Ireland and the UK who for decades abused minors, and their superiors who turned a blind eye to these crimes, were/are morally bankrupt.

      An athiest who mugs an old lady for drugs has no morals.

      An athiest who helps an old lady carry her shopping gives selflessly.

      The question posed is just another in a long line of ridiculously pathetic questions on this forum which require somebody with a severe bias and deep (or perhaps shallow) underlying motives to answer 'yes' or 'no'.

      Inevitably those with a 'yes' or 'no' answer still emerge, cretins the lot of them. Whether 'religious' or 'irreligious', scumbags.

      1. alternate poet profile image63
        alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Morality - like everything else - is for our own benefit ultimately.  Even Mother Theresa did what she did for her own purposes and ends - it made HER feel good or feel that she was being what she considered to be christian or whatever. 

        If I help an old lady across the road it is because I feel or think that I should and because I am justifying or proving that what I feel or think is right.

        This is why most christian's real character invariably shows through their actions and words - they abuse morals for their own agenda and for their own gratification, in the same way they abuse the whole concept they claim to live by.

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          stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          alternate poet posted
          "Morality - like everything else - is for our own benefit ultimately. "

          Sure.  One has to sleep sometime.

          alternate poet posted
          "Even Mother Theresa did what she did for her own purposes and ends - it made HER feel good or feel that she was being what she considered to be christian or whatever.

          If I help an old lady across the road it is because I feel or think that I should and because I am justifying or proving that what I feel or think is right."

          I'll render assistance when I have the time and capability-situation dependent.

          alternate poet posted
          "This is why most christian's real character invariably shows through their actions and words - they abuse morals for their own agenda and for their own gratification, in the same way they abuse the whole concept they claim to live by."

          Christianity is nothing but selfishness, so what else can be expected?

        2. hanging out profile image58
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          oh brother lol
          I cant even be bothered about this one so i will just say one thing.
          Mother Teresa was catholic
          of course you know my stance on the catholic religion.
          Please do not blame all of christendom on the acts of:
          a) a catholic
          b) someone you dont like

          You can expect to be reprimanded when you are wrong or intentionally trying to deceive people.

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            Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            yes, according to you, Mother Teresa goes/went to hell

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "Mother Teresa, although controversial, always had genuine intentions to help others."

        My understanding is she didn't help anyone.  No asprin.  No nothing.

        She's been quoted as telling a dying person in agony the pain was Jesus kissing them.

        She was a prime hypocrite.  She brought in millions to the Vatican.  When she needed medical attention-she got the best care in the world.  She should have been treated like she treated the poor sots who ended up in her clutches.

    3. Rishy Rich profile image77
      Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      @thisisoli

      Is there a possibility that the true believers possess a subconscious desire to get into heaven?

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There's only heaven or hell where the Xian will spend eternity.  With motivation like that everyone and everything will be sacrificed to reach that preferred goal.

        1. hanging out profile image58
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          actually wrong
          the new earth is where we get to live. Heaven was not meant for our living in. Again another catholic wrong belief.
          heaven is where God lives
          hell is where God does not live lol

          1. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You're too funny hanging out. The amount you don't know is actually too absurd. Unreal almost, if it wasn't for you posting, it would be unreal.

            Wake up dude.

            "Heaven" and "Hell" are both metaphors and not literal places.

            If you actually learned something once in a while, outside of the book you read, then you would understand Jesus' teachings.

            "Heaven" is Earth. Above ground. If you take a look around, nature is a "heavenly" sight in and of itself.

            "Hell" is about being dead and buried, end of life. Without life, there can be no happiness, and if happiness is missing, then it is torture.

            So please. Do read something other than the book you've been reading.

            1. hanging out profile image58
              hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              LOL
              there are three heavens.. to bad you dont take more time to actually try to enlighten people instead of just quickly force feeding people. Heaven where the birdies fly around, heaven the cosmos and heaven Gods throne room where the core of Gods presence is. So yes if you want to limit your understanding to one heaven that's fine, christianity is not limited to just that. Hell is not literal, yep i understand that, i actually agree with brother yochanans belief of hell, so you may know where he is coming from. If you limit yourself to happiness as the ultimate then whatever, what you actually substitute God for is happiness, God supplies that and more, separation, what ungodly people and sinners will experience is the hellish experience of realizing they were wrong but it doesn't end there. So i am not a catholic, adhering to catholic fear doctrines, but God will judge because that is what God does. Jesus does the loving another part of God but God will only love his own.. can you imagine God embracing you and saying "welcome home son". I can't.
              have a nice day, sleep well.

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      thisisoli posted;

      "I don't think morality has anything to do with religion.  Morality is in someones personality.  You can get moral, and moral-less Christians just as you can get moral and moral-less atheists.

      I do think however that abiding by the beliefs of Christianity does not necessarily give you moral values, and it can in fact prevent you from learning your own moral code."

      First off societal morality is dependent upon time and culture/subculture and evolves.  A polite fiction, if you will.

      The Bible is useless as any sort of moral guide as any position can be supported by verses.

      Long ago I lost track of how many times I've heard; "All I have to do is confess my sins and they are all washed away.  Or, "I'm saved so it doesn't matter what I do.  The status will never change."  And other positions along those lines including "it was all approved by the clerics beforehand."

      The Bible with the eternal binary state is one heck of a motivator for a person to do something they normally wouldn't do.  Such is also the pinnacle of selfishness/self-centredness.

      I agree that Christian beliefs can, and often do, keep a person from developing their own moral code.

      There are times when things are black and white.  More often than not things are shades of gray.  The latter is why motivation and extenuating factors are looked at prior to sentencing.

      thisisoli posted;
      "Helping an old lady cross the street without thinking about it is moral, there is no self interest.  Abiding by Christian values so you get in to heaven is a selfish act."

      The motivation for the action is key, yes.

      thisisoli posted;
      That is not to say that follwing Christian values is selfish, just following them with an ultimate goal.

      In my opinon morality has no connection to a religious perspective."

      Often said religious perspective is amoral.  The 'eternal consequences' are a hefty motivator for such amorality.'

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      Rookie70posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      thisisoli, you expressed your opinion about religious people whose morals are motivated by an ultimate goal, and you called it selfish. Well, as a person who disagrees with you, I can also say something about the morality of atheists, and their never ending motive to bash religious people for their beliefs, particularly Christians. As pertaining to the morality of atheists, the overall basis of their morality is based on humanism, ideology and selfishness. Not only do they assert that God does not exist, but go a step further to criticize and insult people who do believe God exists. So much for the morality of atheists. Also, for those who say that morality isn't associated with religion, I have a few questions for you:  1.  Would it really make sense if the universe's existence lasted for so long with no purpose other than for all species and humans to die, and the world end with no further cause?
                                        2. How did the universe come into existence?
                                        3. Did you ever consider the fact that morality is more that just a physical act or behavior? and that it is also an intangible thing like love, compassion, kindness?  The fact is, atheists don't understand that those intangible things did not originate with mankind who is tangible, but they originated with an intangible supreme being, which is evidence in itself that God does exist. And don't give me that Science bull crap. Science can't test love, but Scientists believe that it exists; Science can't test morality, but they believe it exists; Science can't test a lot of things, specifically the intagible things, but they yet believe that they exist.
      But, atheists want to claim all the credit for their own morality, but deny the very God from whom morality was given.  So, the next time you want to talk down on Christians, remember that atheists are complete idiots.

  4. dutchman1951 profile image59
    dutchman1951posted 6 years ago

    you are either moral or you are not, it has absolutely nothing to do with being religious.

  5. Diane Inside profile image81
    Diane Insideposted 6 years ago

    In answer to OP, They think they are.

  6. qwark profile image60
    qwarkposted 6 years ago

    What is meant by "morally superior?"

    1. Rishy Rich profile image77
      Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well theres a view that theists need incentives or rewards (in afterlife) in order to do ethical deeds while atheists would not care about afterlife but may still possess high ethical standards; hence morally superior.

      1. qwark profile image60
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Which of these are we talking about Rishy:
        1. Higher than another in rank, station, or authority: a superior officer.
        2. Of a higher nature or kind.
        3. Of great value or excellence; extraordinary.
        4. Greater in number or amount than another: an army defeated by superior numbers of enemy troops.
        5. Affecting an attitude of disdain or conceit; haughty and supercilious.
        6. Above being affected or influenced; indifferent or immune: "Trust magnates were superior to law" (Gustavus Myers).
        7. Located higher than another; upper.
        8. Botany Inserted or situated above the perianth. Used of an ovary.
        9. Printing Set above the main line of type.
        10. Logic Of wider or more comprehensive application; generic. Used of a term or proposition.
        Morally:
        which of these are ya referring to:
        ·al (môrl, mr-)
        adj.
        1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
        2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
        3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
        4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
        5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
        6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.
        n.
        1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.
        2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.

        Really what I want to know is how can one be "morally superior?"
        Doesn't make sense.

        Now if the question was "which group is more "moral, and why do you think so?...I might be able to respond "thoughtfully."

        1. Rishy Rich profile image77
          Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I dont think thats going to help but thank you.

          1. qwark profile image60
            qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ..it sure didn't...

            1. hanging out profile image58
              hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              lol
              sorry
              was funny

              http://s2.hubimg.com/u/3915681.jpg

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      AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It means no one saw what you did.

    3. ceciliabeltran profile image80
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yeah, exactly? Huh?

  7. schoolgirlforreal profile image73
    schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago

    It's an individual thing.

  8. psycheskinner profile image82
    psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago

    Who makes this claim?  What do you mean by morally superior?  I think morality is what you do, whether you hurt other people.  Religon/lack of religion has rather little to do with this really. Each group has good people, bad people and hypocrites.

  9. profile image0
    AMBASSADOR BUTLERposted 6 years ago

    The simple answer is this: No and believers are not superior to atheists. Every human being is love peace free. Every human being does not know that they are love peace free. Revealed knowledge of who human beings is will bring equality to morality because every human being is love peace free. We are all the same. Now all that we have to do now with this morality is to be love be peace be free. Thank you. Go in peace.

  10. libby101a profile image61
    libby101aposted 6 years ago

    We are all equal! Atheist are no better than religious people nor are religious people no better than non-believers! I believe good and bad people are present in both groups!

    I don't think anyone should be judged by the majority of any group! Just because a group of religious people murdered others does not make the whole religion responsible! Just as it's not the fault of all atheist if a few claim to be superior to others. Some atheist or non-believers may persecute Christians while others are compassionate... it is never the entire group's fault for the act of one or a group within that group!

    I truly believe some people, be it nature or nurture or both, to have no morals! This can be a person within any group (religious or atheist). I believe many variables lead to a state of immorality! I believe a peron's morallity changes with their experiences. A religious person judges their morality based on the Bible/God and religious teachings, while non-believers base their morality on education and up-bringing. Since so many different groups of people judge their morality so differently there will always be conflict!

    I don't believe any group to be morally superior to any other group! If someone makes this claim they are full of self-righeous nonsense!

    1. profile image0
      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with a lot of what you say here.  No-one is morally superior.  I looked up difference btwn values and morals and values tends to be what individual believes about everything, including right and wrong; morals tends to be more from what a group says expectations are ie a religion.  I share the same values as my husband.
      Right and wrong can be subjective eg some people think living together is wrong; others don't.  Some people think getting a tattoo is wrong; other's don't etc

    2. profile image68
      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think it is overall a rational approach

    3. Woman Of Courage profile image59
      Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree libby.

    4. marty1968 profile image57
      marty1968posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good point ,Libby. I believe that we were all created equally. that is to say that no one person or group is more superior than the other in morallity. spiritual morallity is a whole different concept. Yet we cant think that our spiritual morallity is more superior than the other. However by some of the posts I have seen on this site some do account for themselves as being morally superior over others and I would have to agree with libby that this is really self righteous and has no standing.

  11. pisean282311 profile image53
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    well i dont think so..i dont view humans from tags of christians or hindus or muslims or atheist..in the end humans are plain humans and all have capacity to be morally upright or morally corrupt..one may read bible/quran/gita 20 times a day and still be morally corrupt or morally upright and one may not believe in god and still be morally upright...

    morality and ethics exist independently...

  12. thisisoli profile image57
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    I think that the old saying, a friend in need is a friend indeed, sums up morality.  If you are in a position of power, and take pity, help others, without self interest, then you are probably a moral person.

    If however you work in self interest, and abuse power when you obtain it, then you are probably immoral.

    I have had power, and I feel as though I did not abuse it.  However I have done things which would probably bring a little bit of my morality in to question.

    I feel overall I am a moral person, but I am still a person, and as with any human, my actions live on a greyscale.

    My morality has no religious connotations however.

    "First off societal morality is dependent upon time and culture/subculture and evolves.  A polite fiction, if you will."

    Morality is indeed a variable, however choosing whether a person is moral or not is always based on the current morality perceptions of the culture the person is immersed in.

    For instance, an African woman may live in a tribe of cannibals, however she would be shocked, and astounded, that a woman could leave her child after only a few weeks or months.

    The truth is that both perceptions are morally correct, and morally incorrect.

    The western woman could leave her child, and be morally inept, however would the poverty induced by the lack of income be morally justifiable?

    In the same vein, a western woman may look in disgust on a cannibals views on eating human flesh, however their family values could arguably be more moral than those in western culture today.

  13. Merlin Fraser profile image72
    Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago

    The trend here in Hub Pages is for those who claim some sort of religious affiliation to try and grab the high moral ground for themselves as if we lesser mortals have no claim to morality if we do not believe, as they do, in some form of higher being.

    In truth I know some pretty lousy people who claim to be Christians and think they are heaven bound just because they trip to the church once a week.

    This stupid notion that any group, no matter how they are labelled has a claim on morality is simply ludicrous people are people full of good and bad.  In any given situation people will react differently as an individual or as part of a group.  Ever seen a crowd turn into a mob ?    Ever seen on the news a reporter going up to a lynch mob and asking what their religious affiliation might be ?

    I was brought up to think of others, I try to do the right thing not because someone, thousands of years ago, said it was a good idea but because it is just that.... a good way to live.

    1. hanging out profile image58
      hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Love your enemies.
      do good to those that persecute you.
      invite the poor to dinner at no charge to them.
      when running a race for the prize at the end stop along the way to wipe the tear off a childs face.
      Donate to the hungry and poor.
      dispense justice equally to all
      do not favor one person over another but love everybody

      is this your creedo?
      sorry, jesus has moral superiority and those who try to emulate him have it too.

      1. alternate poet profile image63
        alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        sorry, jesus has moral superiority and those who try to emulate him have it too.

        Yes - we see it displayed in these forums frequently, Brenda Durham also claims moral superiority from your christ, among others like her.

        1. hanging out profile image58
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Christians are in a state of growth. We grow from babes in the word to maturity over time.
          For us to be perfect upon salvation is what the world expects, but this is a false notion and hardly to be believed due to free will.
          some christians will be at one level of growth on the way to maturity and others will be on another level, but we are all moving forward.
          Some of us were horrible people before God and now we are nice people due to God but the tweaking does not stop there. God wants both good and mean people to come up to his level. The goal is not to be a good person but to be a holy person.
          For you to find a flaw in a christian and hold that person up and go "heres your christian, bahooey" is wrong. You will always find what you think is a flaw in someone, especially someone you do not particularly like, but each christian is growing toward God and nowhere are you going to find a world, or a country or a camp that is exactly 50% christian and 50% non christian.

          Brenda has moral superiority in areas you cannot see here. For you to hold her up and say that you do not think she is morally superior, you have not seen all of her and therefore do not know. Again you infer and offer insignificant evidence as proof, albeit, incorrectly. She may well outshine you in many areas.

          If you think your atheist comrades are showing qualities over and above what the christians do. Well, after reading the insults and demeaning text that is typed toward God and the christians i suggest you read more atheist posts and judge those before you talk down your nose at christians.

          1. alternate poet profile image63
            alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Brenda has moral superiority in areas you cannot see here. For you to hold her up and say that you do not think she is morally superior, you have not seen all of her and therefore do not know. Again you infer and offer insignificant evidence as proof, albeit, incorrectly. She may well outshine you in many areas.


            I never gave any opinion on Brenda's moral superiority or otherwise in my response. I merely offered her as an example for you to consider and make your own judgement, I am not christian and so do not make a habit of 'judging' others.

            1. hanging out profile image58
              hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              LOL sometimes i am convinced you do not know what you do. lol
              Yes - we see it displayed in these forums frequently,'-- comma not a period Brenda Durham also claims moral superiority from your christ, among others like her. 
              Your posts are always negative how can you expect this sentence to be construed as a supporting positive sentence. Sorry your attempt to camouflage your sarcasm is not hidden to me.

  14. Joy56 profile image60
    Joy56posted 6 years ago

    I honestly do not think anyone at all is superior to anyone else. Morally or any other wise, i really do not.  I respect everyone, and everyone's opinion.  Christians cannot just be put in a category.  We are all individual absolutely.  Helping an old lady accross the road..... you would think everyone would do that... it doesn't seem so.....  Sometimes i give up... No one is better than anyone else, i really believe that, not because i am told to, it is a heartfelt feeling.

  15. ceciliabeltran profile image80
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    lol really?

  16. Daniel Carter profile image88
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    Religions are wonderful at giving lip service to morals, while their actions show how light years away they are from demonstrating them.

    Atheists are unpredictable. They usually think for themselves and some are very ethical, and perhaps some not.

    Morality is what churches preach. Ethics is what we ought to start paying attention to.

    In my opinion.

  17. ceciliabeltran profile image80
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    can somebody please define moral superiority?

  18. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Only Mormons can define that. They pretend to live wishy-washy, goody-goody optimistic  life still keeping their attacks on other faiths and non-believers.

    1. ceciliabeltran profile image80
      ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have honestly never met one!

  19. dutchman1951 profile image59
    dutchman1951posted 6 years ago

    claiming superior knowledge, to be free of mind, no hang ups from internal struggles between sin and life, and they can function free of guilt!

    if truth..?

    they would not be in here on the attack every time a thread comes up.
    they would truly care less about it. They do not.
    they are passionate people, with no support system, loaners looking for justification.

    Some unfortunately are pure ego maniacs actually from what I have witnessed, and thus I think not as much morally superior as incapable of accepting of people trying to fit together. Not superior behavior, but more like child-like jealous behavior, or spoiled behavior.

    Something is deficient or missing, so it becomes a serious need  to be noticed for their intelligence, or for something unique. If they can not get that, then they get mad and attack.

    Done all for an attention grab, and it works in here very well I am seeing.  Child behavior from an un-becoming adult position, like throwing a fit for attention, nothing more.

    And nothing about the behavior is superior.

    I almost fell for "all" of this a while back, but I realized what it really was and stopped myself. I wish others would also.

    Religion has no proof base (facts) but it has faith base. , but Atheism has neither fact or faith base to it. Just a lot of scientific argument as to proof and no proof, in truth it is scientific in-decision not proof.

    Neither side has anything superior to claim when you study it.

    We are falling for attention grabbing stunts on one side or Brainwashing stunts on either side of this argument..?

    no bang for the buck!

  20. tonynosense profile image59
    tonynosenseposted 6 years ago

    Statistics show that secular societies tend to have lower rates of crime and other social ills than more religious ones (compare red and blue states of the US to western Europe). So, atheism builds better societies in many ways.

    Using superior is kind of a loaded word though.

    1. Rishy Rich profile image77
      Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting response. Can you show the source or links of those statistics?

  21. aka-dj profile image78
    aka-djposted 6 years ago

    How do you measure "superior"?

    So far it's all opinion and subjective.

    If there is no standard to compare every moral (or immoral) stance, one cannot claim superiority.
    (Of course, some here have already claimed that position for themselves).

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So - you have some standards perhaps?

      1. aka-dj profile image78
        aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I didn't ask the op question.

        But you are welcome to propose one. smile

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          How about "mind your own business"? lol

          Sorry - I thought you had some standards you thought were superior. My mistake. Good to know you do not.

          1. aka-dj profile image78
            aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            There you go. Thinking again, or should I say ASSUMING.

            Let me have a standard, and I'll see how I measure up.

            Knowing full well, you "leave me for dead". I am totally humbled by your loftiness.

            Sorry, but I draw the line at bowing down. lol

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Assuming from your previous statements about pre marital sex etc. Sure - if you want to lie and say you have never expressed these standards you think others should follow - why not. All me. I ASSUMED you had some standards which you have previously shared, because I have seen you share them. My ASSUMPTION.

              Dear me. sad

              1. aka-dj profile image78
                aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Standard PLEASE!!!




                Unless, of course you really don't have one!

                Just trying to bluff your way though (again). Sad, very sad!! sad

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No DJ. I have seen you express your standards and opinions about certain subjects including pre marital sex.

                  I thought bearing false witness was against your moral code? Apparently not. sad

                  1. aka-dj profile image78
                    aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    One day you will answer a question, as asked.  Oh well, I guess it won't be today.

                    That pre-maritl sex thing really touched a nerve, ye?

                    So, tell me. Is it morally ok (for you) to "do it" before marriage, or not?

  22. Jerami profile image74
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Are Atheists morally superior to believers?



         Anyone that thinks that they are  ?  ....    just proved otherwise.

  23. hanging out profile image58
    hanging outposted 6 years ago

    Seems to me this is all that atheists are about. Being superior, being righter than Gods word, being better than the christian.
    Atheists have no morals. It appears they do and they will insist they do, but in actual fact, depending on the circumstance, their morals are on a sliding scale. There is nothing to prevent; ripping somebody off, they will never love their enemies, They will grit their teeth and count their expenses if they ever put forth a dinner for the poor.
    It is only a goodly set of circumstances that make the atheist a nice person, for truly, none of them are nice in the christian forums. There niceness depends on the smiling faces of their daughters as they come home from school with A's. Let one come home with a fail grade and all hell will break loose, although i am sure they will tell you how diplomatic they are in instructing the child lovingly, lol, Or let someone call them an idiot some drunken night and a fight will break out. Let them find a wallet and perhaps, but there is no guarantee, they will give it back, intact, that would depend on the amount of money and how far ahead it would get them.
    There is no higher power governing their lives and they are free to do as they want; to insult people, to call someones belief idiotic and they are not even obliged to back it up with some empirical evidence. The general attitude is that of, "I say this (one liner) and it is true". They hate the bible yet they spend hours in the forums yelling, demeaning and coming short of swearing at believers, not because they are good people or even moral, but because that would be a personal attack and a christian might report them, so hubpages moderators keep them in line and not their superior morals. lol

        Atheist are truly problematic. They burst into an internet room of studying christians and yell "I see a problem here", we look up from our books and are forced to deal with you. But will they do that to a church in progress or a study time in the afternoon? No. The internet emboldens them to be tyrannical and rude, and intrusive, absolutely.
    I am fully convinced if anybody is killing children in africa it is atheists and not christians. sad, very sad. And if anybody is feeding the starving children in africa it is christians and NOT atheists.
            I see no moral superiority, NONE.
    They have no clue about any facet of the bible at all. All is inferences and self absorbed conjectures based on information that is decades old. They blame christianity today for actions 600 plus years ago.. lol.. how desperate to show moral superiority.
    Nope i see no moral anyoritiy at all. NONE.
    Here is a sample of atheist text
    Yippeeeeeee !!!  a licence to sin and sin again and again - no wonder so many child and woman abusers are religious fools, but that is ok because they have been forgiven, again and again and again.

    Such rubbish. This is hatred without direction, not forum decorum. An atheist trying to start a war.

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/3913240_f248.jpg


    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/3913269_f248.jpg

    You asked.

    1. pisean282311 profile image53
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am sorry but I totally dis agree with you.. I dont know what your experience with atheist have been but what you say if far from reality..now does atheist say i say so and so you belief...well atheist bag themselves by proves which can be seen by mere eyes by any mortal human being..now let us examine by simple e.g...how old is human race?..science says 0.2 million...what is proof?..we have fossils ...now if atheist says world is older than what bible says..he is saying with this proof but believer of bible would says 'it is 6k years old'..any proof..yes bible says so..

      let us come to other things..bible says adam and eve existed..proof..none..only faith...atheist says human evolved..proof...again fossil proves,carbon dating...those are physical proves..

      so you just can't give names to atheist if you dont agree with them..you have right to belief and so have others...just because someone question your belief ..is it right to give them names..

      coming to morality...well read list of top countries with less crime rates , least corruption...most people are non religious in them ..some are Christians with rising non religious people in those countries...imposed morality is possible by religion..but best morality would be when humans dont care whether there is god or not and still adhere to morality...by having motivation like getting love of god or heaven..or having fear of hell is some one adheres to morality..it is like child studying because of fear of teacher..that works but is not the best way...

      now Christianity is mere 2k years old..do you think humans which exist since so long survived their social system without morality?...

      1. Rishy Rich profile image77
        Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I liked the last line. Even Judaism is only 4K old but humans survived millions of years without the commandments. Our civilization is much older than the Yahweh, Jesus & the Bible. We did well without them before & I see no doubt that we will do better without them in the future.

    2. profile image0
      AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You must be a real hoot at office parties.

    3. profile image0
      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      funny - the things you accuse atheists of doing is exactly what I observe "christians" doing - how do you think preaching hell at us is loving your enemies?  As for atheists that have no morals - what a crock - I know atheists that are more decent citizens that most christians. 
      The christians accuse the atheists of being hating and angry when they have debated logically - I've been accused of being angry when I haven't been.  Christians are not free of insult on this forum - I think some of the christians on this forum have had very little self-control with personal attacks. 
      Reading over history - wars have been because of political and religious conflicts.



      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/3887941.jpg

      1. hanging out profile image58
        hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God is not jewish lol.. that should be painfully obvious.. lie number one.. are you counting with me baileybear? I just want to support my claim that you say is rubbish, the claim of things that are said by unbelievers or ex-believers as i think in your specific case, God is not his own father in actuality a father is only applicable down here, we have fathers of which he is ours. Live forever, yep thats true but you purport that as a lie so you are 3 wrongs for 3 so far... shall i continue.. I don't think so.. it wasn't a literal snake, 4... this is what i meant when people come along with outdated information from ages ago, plus they directly contradict the bible and say we lie.... sorry but what is said is so unchristian and untruthful that my statement remains confirmed as truth. Like it or not.
        have a nice day.

        1. spookyfox profile image72
          spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nice work of backing up the points of how things are not-down-here and how something is eternal.

        2. profile image0
          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I was taught that Jesus was jewish by pentecostal christians - so they got that bit wrong?  When did the snake change from  being a real snake to a literal snake?
          I put that sign up to go with the sign you put up

    4. spookyfox profile image72
      spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "There niceness depends on the smiling faces of their daughters as they come home from school with A's. Let one come home with a fail grade and all hell will break loose"
      What exactly did you smoke before writting that?

      "There is no higher power governing their lives and they are free to do as they want; to insult people, to call someones belief idiotic"
      Unless I read that wrong, you're implying that believers are in fact not free. Which means they don't have a choice. If they don't have a choice, in other words, if someone is forced to do something, then there is no doing right. It is truly essential to do something good that you have a choice in the first place. If I threaten you to help an old lady to cross the street, there is not much morals or good from your part is there?

      Being threatened by someone in a position of power above you, into doing something or behaving a certain way, by giving you a choice which will have harm and suffering as consecuence for disobeying, that is the christian idea of good.

      "and they are not even obliged to back it up with some empirical evidence."
      Seriously? So I take it you back it up with empirical evidence when you call someone an idiot. Try to do the same for a book that was written 2000 years ago. Ironically, such long time is not too long for you but it is 600 years!

  24. ceciliabeltran profile image80
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    what is this atheist and christian addiction to engage each other?

    1. libby101a profile image61
      libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Opposites attract??? LOL

    2. hanging out profile image58
      hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      its the constant barrage of nonsensical criticisms and borderline insults that keep repeating themselves like broken records, coupled with the fear that some innocent person might actually believe their rot. The out of context, ignorant of any real correct information and the venting of their own personal hurt, resulting from some inferiority complex or past godly failure that keeps me trying to correct these misguided ranters from polluting something that is otherwise pristine and beautiful.
      often i can't believe what the put forth as truth and so often what is said is just completely very far from the truth of the bible.

      1. profile image0
        AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "i can't believe what the put forth as truth and so often what is said is just completely very far from the truth of the bible."

        What makes you think the bible is some kind of standard for determining the truth?  I have found more truth in my own holy book, Catch-22: it is insane to want to fly another mission, but if you know it is crazy, then you can't be insane.

        Try finding THAT in the good book!

        1. hanging out profile image58
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          yes but you look for a different truth. The truth of the bible is not the truth you desire.
          Therefore in a christian realm, the truth you get from 'your holy book' is not the truth we adhere too, and your truth means as much to us as our truth means to you.

          I believe this is a catch 22 situation.

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            AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You've been chewing peyote buttons again, haven't you?

      2. spookyfox profile image72
        spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "often i can't believe what the put forth as truth and so often what is said is just completely very far from the truth of the bible."

        It is simple to understand that: you don't hold the absolute truth, there are other truths besides your own.

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      AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      According to the poll results I just made up, it is because 99.2% of Christians say dumb, annoying things like this: "Atheists have no morals. It appears they do and they will insist they do, but in actual fact, depending on the circumstance, their morals are on a sliding scale."

      What big morals you have, Grandma!
      The better to JUDGE you with, Little Punk Atheist Hood!

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Some atheists persist on the forums to counter the poisons spread around that have no logic, reason, substance.

        I've only been on the forums for a week, and doubt I will bother wasting my time long-term.  It's been an interesting experience - sometimes hiliarious reading at what hogswash people will come up with to defend their beliefs

  25. pisean282311 profile image53
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    well have cracked the code...dinosaurs were morally superior...

    1. libby101a profile image61
      libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL!!

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Are Atheists morally superior to believers?

    I don't think so

    1. libby101a profile image61
      libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think so either Paarsurrey! I believe "some" think they are but it is an untruth! There are morally good people in all groups!

  27. spookyfox profile image72
    spookyfoxposted 6 years ago

    Long but worth it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kuzYwzG … re=related

    See? There are people discussing this outside the anonimity of internet forums wink

  28. schoolgirlforreal profile image73
    schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago

    no. each are equally able to be moral.

  29. thirdmillenium profile image61
    thirdmilleniumposted 6 years ago

    It depends upon individuals, really. But, as a general rule, aethisists wrongly believe they are rational beings and that thought makes them conclude they are superior in every way. Yes, morally too.

    1. libby101a profile image61
      libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree! It does depend on individuals! It doesn't matter if you're atheist or christian...there are people in each with great morals and also in each group bad morals!!!!

      I believe it originates from their circumstances in life. Some take hardships in life and use them to be immoral while others use them to improve their morals! I also believe our parents plant a seed at a very young age... some allow that seed to grow while others do not water their seed! The seed from our parents could be good or bad morally!



      Nature and nurture both develop our morals!!!

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Are Atheists morally superior to believers?

    I don't think so; it depends from person to person.

    1. aka-dj profile image78
      aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ha ha ha, I thought you said, " it depends from prison to prison".

      Actually, that sounds better to me. LOL lol

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How did it occur to you? I did not say it.

      2. spookyfox profile image72
        spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Last I've heard there are more religious people in prisons than atheists.

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          being religious is similar to being in prison - no freedom of thought

  31. pylos26 profile image76
    pylos26posted 6 years ago

    Rishy asked: Are Atheists morally superior to believers?

    Don't know but they are definitely  intellectually superior to believers.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And the intellectuality of the Atheists lies in their derision and ridicule; not in their arguments.

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        when are you going to get an avatar and up your score, paar?  46 is pretty low - too busy stirring up trouble on forums smile

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I was just going to post the same thing - at least they think for themselves

  32. pylos26 profile image76
    pylos26posted 6 years ago

    another lame answer.

  33. xobliam profile image60
    xobliamposted 6 years ago

    of course atheists are morally superior to believers...at least until secular laws proove them otherwise

  34. spookyfox profile image72
    spookyfoxposted 6 years ago

    If you ask "Are Atheists morally superior to believers?" you're bound to have lots of 'it's up to each of us' type of answers.

    A better question would be: Is atheism morally superior than religions?

    And then it gets more interesting. What makes something or someone morally superior, or better? Let's say someone commits a crime not justified to society (i.e. self defence). The criminal can feel 2 ways: either they admit their guilt or don't. They could've commited the crime under the influence of stress and impulsive emotions and later realized what they've done and regret it. They know what they did was wrong. If they're to be considered morally inferior it's not because they can't tell right from wrong, it's because they couldn't resist emotions overcoming them.

    On the other hand there's people who do something wrong believing they're doing something right. Even after they've done it (and sometimes even long before) they know they'll be punished, but they think they're being misunderstood. This could be for a number of reasons, but the lack of a belief in god is not one of them. Not knowing right from wrong is, to me, morally inferior than the example above, and there is a relation between religion and not knowing right from wrong. That is the important part. Terrorists who fly into building or blow themselves up in crowds honestly believe they're doing something good, because they have faith.

    I'm not saying atheists don't commit atrocities, but no one kills somone in the name of the-lack-of-god. Someone might commit a crime and be an atheist, but they might also wear hats and love sandwiches, yet that holds no relation to the crimes.

    Summing up, there can be a logical path between a crime and religion, but there cannot be one between said crime and the lack of a religion.

    1. Rishy Rich profile image77
      Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I guess u r ryt. You better start another thread with that.

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        agree

  35. prettydarkhorse profile image63
    prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago

    They are the same, it is I think how they live what their lives which is important, it is personal too.

  36. Jerami profile image74
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    You could as easily ask ....

       Is a mathematician superior to a biologists?

       Is a basket ball player superior to a football player?

       Or  Mathematician  more than a  football player?

    1. spookyfox profile image72
      spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Superior in what aspect?

      1. Jerami profile image74
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What ever aspects as everyone is talking about I guess.

          Guess I'm being a sh,, head. 
          Who is chosen to say which belief is Superior to another .

          Some Atheists will say that they are  and some religionists will say that they are superior.

          Every group may think that they are superior.

          But I think that this is comparing apples to oranges.

          Just saw what time it is...  good nite

  37. Jerami profile image74
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Summing up, there can be a logical path between a crime and religion, but there cannot be one between said crime and the lack of a religion.

    -----

       But crime is committed as much by non believers "Maybe" slightly more than by believers. 

       Per average do football players commit more crime than mathematicians?

    1. spookyfox profile image72
      spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "But crime is committed as much by non believers "Maybe" slightly more than by believers.

         Per average do football players commit more crime than mathematicians?"

      I said previously there are more believers in prisons than atheists.

      Your second point is what I was trying to say all along. Someone might be a football player or mathematician and commit a crime, without their profession having anything to do with it. Because, and I say this again, there is no logical relation between being a mathematician and commiting a crime. There is no reason in being a football player that could lead you to believe it's good to murder someone. The same way, there is no relation between not believing in a god and taking someone's life.

      There is however in religion. I think the connection between some religions and harming others is quite obvious, but if you want me to explain why having a religious mindset could be dangerous (I'm not saying it always is) I will in another post.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Are Atheists morally superior to believers?

    Not as a rule; it depends from person to person.

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    djdelayposted 6 years ago

    Due to a lack of empirical evidence for theism and atheism....I came to understand that logically there must be hidden clues indicating something about the reason(s)behind our existence. Of course....we always overlook the obvious....that which is everywhere...is part of everything...is both destruction and rebirth....neither hates nor loves yet manifests as both...is symbiotically tied to everything but also an entity itself.....and that is NATURE..!! Pantheism...the understanding that NATURE is the supreme force of all that exists everywhere and of everything...bar none.

 
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