The best way to have guiltless sex is to be married. Then it's totally guilt free. by the way, where is it written that there is no sex in heaven? It is my understanding that our spirits will be reunited with our bodies in the resurrection.
you see how sex is not at the top of the priority list to God. Sex is a gift yes, and to be used responsibly, yes, and it is for making babies. yes. Well what about recreational sex? The love of God is much deeper than sex and is not expressed by sex. When two spirits love each other, sex is not in the foreground as it is with people who live in the flesh. sex is one of the urges that god gave us, like breathing, thirst, hunger. Hold your breath and see how long before you have an urge to breathe, stop eating and see how soon before you get hungry, same with thirst. In the spirit realm sex is not even contemplated, jesus mentions this by that famous saying the enoch readers seem to override christ about: "They are neither male nor female nor are given in marriage". Marriage is all about reproduction (something angels cannot do because it is not necessary), continuing, multiplying, repopulating. Its a beautiful thing and only useful down here on earth. Women are beautiful things (no pun or insult intended just keepin the flow) But where there is neither male nor female, or opposites, how can a person then have sex? On earth, humans cannot live without air, water, food, in some places shelter and so on.. but all can live without sex, you will not die because of no sex you will just feel like it lol.. hehe, joking. In the spirit realm, sex is not at the top of the list, sex is at the bottom. Unsaved humans live according to the flesh of which things pleasurable to the flesh are at the forefront, therefore, Sex, entertainment, possessions etc come before, air, water, food. The line up of importance is completely opposite to the spiritual needs list, with some items not even entering into list.
Where is it written in the Old Testament that marriages do not continue in heaven? And how is the power of God displayed by severing the marriage between a man and a woman who have lived their lives together in love? In fact, the New Testament says exactly the opposite. In 1 Cor. 11:11, Paul says "Nevertheless, neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord." Which certainly sounds like an eternal principle. And Jesus says, in Mark 10:8-9, "And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." The Bible teaches that the power of God unites. There is no mention anywhere of death changing anything — no "till death do you part." It is man who insists on separating married couples.
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven. Sex is a human activity, a fleshly act.
How far will people go to further their idea that they'll get to have sex in Heaven??........
How 'bout....all the things of the flesh-----eating, drinking, playing football, getting sick and taking medicine, even urinating and defecating? What does that sound like?----it sounds like physical life on earth! That's not what Heaven is.
The distinction between male and female is no condition peculiar to this relatively brief period of mortal life. It was an essential characteristic of our pre-existent condition, even as it will continue after death, in both disembodied and resurrected states. The scriptures attest a state of existence preceding mortality, in which the spirit children of God lived, doubtless with distinguishing characteristics, including the distinction of sex, before they were created naturally on earth.
Sex, which is indispensable on this earth for the perpetuation of the human race, is an eternal quality which has its equivalent everywhere. It is indestructible. The relationship between men and women is eternal and must continue eternally. In accordance with Gospel philosophy there are males and females in heaven. This simply carries onward the logic of things earthly, and conforms with the doctrine that whatever is on this earth is simply a representation of spiritual conditions of deeper meaning than we can here fathom.
So.....suppose a man and woman were married here on earth. Through no fault of their own, they're separated by death (one spouse dies). The living spouse re-marries (he or she has that right, Biblically and morally) and THAT couple are together, sexually of course too, until one dies. Then one spouse dies. The living spouse re-marries. Eventually they all die, a fact of life. So.....with whom do they have sex with in Heaven? Is it just one big ol' orgy, sanctioned by God?
LOL come on Onusonus! I'm astonished at you and Deborah and whoever else keeps staking claim to sex in Heaven!
I don't know weather or not they will have sex as glorified resurrected beings, however, it is logical to conclude that our dealings with God and man in this life, is in similitude of our lives and relations in the sphere of immortality. Since there are multiple examples of plural marriages in biblical history which were sanctioned and even regulated by interpertation of laws given by God we would have to assume that there are multiple marriages continued in the hereafter. Remember that when the time comes that we are perfected through Christ's ressurection, we will have a greater understanding and will be able to fully accept things as they are with a higher faith, and purpose, having the grand scheme of things clearly represented in our sights.
I think the fleshly mind imagines sex in heaven because they cannot understand the spiritual realm. Sex is for man to procreate. There is no procreation in heaven....therefore there is no use for sex in heaven! The pleasures of heaven are spiritual...
Yes indeed; I fervently agree with you. Their carnal minds do work overtime, striving for what they envision as the pleasures of Heaven, ....and so easily forgetting the God of Heaven, it would seem....
The tennants of the carnal mind are contrary to the true nature of happiness it is true. But is it true that he requires complete sullibicy from the purest of his children? One would think not. Rather the carnal mind turns to indulgence and excess, it wanders and leads men into captivity. Fldelity however, is a divine calling. It's what sets us appart from the animal kingdom and places us within the grasp of light, knowledge, and imortality. The bonds made between Man and Woman are a prefecting process. I refuse to believe that those relations are severed upon death. These ties which are made and built on, which cause struggling and strife, increase our love towards one another, and cause us to learn and grow from eachother, by the assumptions of mankind are so easily cast into the oven. If that were so, and we truely die alone, then indeed I fear death. Regardless I know it is not true, and I do not fear death because I am not alone. Again are we to believe in the twenty first century version of rightousness? Or is there an established order to the kingdom, by which not only does God give a command, but he sets the example.
What do you mean "if we truly die alone"? You mean you fear death without a wife? Umm....God Himself will be with you at death (if you still are a Christian then). So I don't get your intent. Yes, it's just you and God, alone, at death........what can your wife do?---pray you into Heaven?? I think not.
Of course my wife cannot pray me into heaven, however I would not receive the full blessings of the Lord's exhaltation without her. Christ said; Matthew 5:48-"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your father which is in heaven is perfect." No man is perfect without his wife.
Its different jesus said: Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. yet bones are needed for support of structure if the structure is going to be a) imposed upon by gravity b) held upright and of form and shape What i expect is a gel like body, Since we get to live on earth forever, on a nice clean planet, i can be found swimming the oceans and pettin sharks. Of course thinking will be possible, conversation with new people, villages to stay with, i doubt we will building skyscrapers or have need of cars. Life will be different as it was in garden. Feelings yep. i will be tanning.. so i want to feel that sunshine on my... skin like gellular substance lol. I assume we will make friends along our journey perhaps the cosmos will be open to us to travel around and see all the glory of it close up. Sex is really a fleshly thing.. do people ever sit and think about sex together isn't it best experienced naked and humpin. Appeasing the mind just gets you too the bed. Love is best experienced by the mind. Sex is a fleshly maneuver.
1 cor 11:11... in the lord, simply means saved christians. what god has joined together (here on earth) let no man put asunder (divorce)
neither of these verses have any connection before or after of afterlife. They both pertain to down here.
where did you get this belief from i thought we were talking bible "It was an essential characteristic of our pre-existent condition, even as it will continue after death, in both disembodied and resurrected states. The scriptures attest a state of existence preceding mortality, in which the spirit children of God lived, doubtless with distinguishing characteristics, including the distinction of sex, before they were created naturally on earth." explain pre-existant condition please.
Yes "In the Lord" might pertain to what some might consider to be, "Saved" Christians though I disagree with the implication that someone is already "saved" before they are done with this mortal probation. None the less in the Lord, or even perhaps in the eyes of the Lord, or even under the Lord's covenant, a couple is joined together and the two are incomplete without eachother. Together in the bonds of matrimony they are to grow to be a perfectly unified entity, not in nessicarily in the flesh as physical being, but rather in a way that the virtues of opposite genders compliment one another, and one's faults are filled by the other.
No I don't think.... Sex is not over rated. It may well be the most pleasurable thing anyone can enjoy. You don't have to be rich or famous to do it. You don't need any special tools or equipment, but you can always use some to enhance your pleasure if you so choose. You can do it with a partner or by yourself. You can do it anywhere and at anytime of the day or night. And it leaves you with an incredible feeling of wellbeing when you've finished. It's the perfect gift.
Of course in heaven, if there is such a place, we would have no need for sex. Heaven transends all human desires and gives a pleasure all it's own and something we can't even imagine.
You know, I think this is one of those things that is different for everyone. Not everyone experiences orgasms the same, some find it difficult to achieve orgasm and I have heard of those who cannot orgasm at all (or have not yet been able to anyway).
Yes it will be nice to see them screaming, crying, bemoaning the loss of eternity for a few decades of life on earth.. a real party... of course you are betting that you will be able to remember them.. i've tried to find a scripture that says we will know each other as a spiritual being after the judgment of God but i can't find it. And thinking long and hard on this very topic i find memory of earths existence will be problematic.
Once again we are made to understand the vain imaginations of the carnal (unsaved) mind thinking it knows what the spirit realm will be like without any resources, inspired writings, holy book or indication from God. As we live in the flesh here and are told about another dimension that we cannot see, touch, or rationalize we are eager to believe that such a dimension exists, much like vampires and ogres, fairies etc we accept what we like, we adopt beliefs according to our acceptance of them, sometimes whether these beliefs make sense or not, we LIKE them. When comparing the qu'ran to the bible, (the bible came 600 yrs before the qu'ran) it is easy to discover complete contradictions between the two books and yet these two books supposedly have the same God presiding over all. Mohammads picture of heaven is completely flesh based, appealing to the flesh and making the cross of christ non-effect, Jesus' picture of heaven tells us what we (as flesh) may not want to hear (but the born again saved christian will be okay with this) and unites man with God in peaceful ways, the qu'ran is not peaceful I don't care what any muslim, islam or mohammad follower says, but i digress. There will in fact be no sex in heaven, we in fact will not be in heaven. Now i could leave this novella here and beguile you into thinking well maybe where we are going there will be sex. But i say no. There is no sex in heaven, therefore angels did not come to earth to have sex either, lol.. kill that false doctrine while i am here also. Sex has its purpose and this purpose will not be required in the afterlife, where the rest (sabbath) of God is come into full effect. There will be joy unspeakable and it will be full of glory and there will be so much to do but it will be based on spirit desires and the ways of the flesh will be completely removed.
@hanging out... I don't think people want to hear the truth! They'd rather talk about imaginations of sex and life as it is here on Earth! Well heaven will not be anything like earth! It's competely spiritual!
Funny how they can't read the scripture without adding their own ideals. I am taking it as it's read... no marriages in heaven...
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" (Matthew 22:30, KJV).
Even if one believes the book of "enoch" which is not part of the cannon there is still no sex in heaven. If you believe the book of enoch... the sons of men were fallen angels... angels still in heaven are not sexual! Those fallen angels (if you put faith in the book of enoch) were the ones who came to the daughters of men! Jesus said angels in heaven do nor marry nor are given in marriage! This is all you need to realize there is NO sex in heaven!!!
This concept is uncomprehensable to the fleshly mind. In heaven there is no need for sex. Sex was intended for procreation. In heaven we know there is no procreation... therefore it is thinking in the flesh to even consider sex in heaven!!
its a much nicer life to treat woman not as sex objects and just enjoy them for the laughter and fun that they provide, just being themselves. Women are a beautiful creation, with great smiles, shiny eyes, lovely hair.
I am glad you do not endorse the book of enoch. Many do and they have an enochian religion because of it. God prefers pure belief in him. He likes it when we spend time seeking him for the answers instead of rushing to google when we have to wait a minute or so. Be still and know that i am God is a message for our time. Those that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. inert time is not wasted time.
So no body then, Disturbia? What about eyes, brain, any of the senses or any sensory perception of your surroundings at all? If not, then it's not just sex, but NOTHING in heaven isn't it? Lovely. Beam me up goddie!
IMO three theories....1) Christian/Moslem.... one life.... either Heaven granted by Jesus/Allah or condemned to hell.2) Budhist/Hindu.... reincarnation.... multiple lives before liberation.3) Atheists..... usually no...