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How do creationists explain fossils eg of dinosaurs

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    Baileybearposted 6 years ago

    How did they get there etc?

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Like everything else they try to explain, fantasizing a whopper of a tale of biblical proportions.

      smile

    2. Onusonus profile image87
      Onusonusposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      My feelings are, since the bible's purpose is not intended for anthropological accounting, that it is possible that between the time which God created the Earth and the time he got to the creation of Man, there was a long period that was unaccounted for. Also noone probably cared about that stuff or had any knowledge of it because God didn't feel this part of history was nessicary knowledge in order to obtain salvation.

      1. SunshineState12 profile image61
        SunshineState12posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I LOVE this... Thank you, what a great response!

        1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
          Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Onusonous, I love this response. Salvation is most important.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Great most us are going to hell.

      2. Rafini profile image82
        Rafiniposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Great answer!!

      3. qwark profile image61
        qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        rotflmao

    3. Stevennix2001 profile image84
      Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      im not a believer in the creationist theory, but i do believe in a mixture of the intelligent design and evolution theory concept.  to answer your question though, my only guess would be these dinosaurs were prototype creatures god created before creating humanity, i guess. this way, he would KNOW how to create life after trying it out on those poor dinosaurs before deciding to KILL them.  wink  lol  i could be wrong, but im just speculating.

    4. Adroit Alien profile image87
      Adroit Alienposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How do they explain it? The same answer they have for everything. Goddidit.

    5. goldenpath profile image81
      goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The Earth was "created."  To create denotes using materials already present in the universe.  Is it not possible that this would include remnants of worlds once populated with all manner of fantastic animals?  Of course it's possible.

      Also, there are many possibilities as far as carbon dating is concerned.  Certain epic disasters can alter such findings through natural manipulation of biological material.  We are dating things according to the concept that no such ocurrence has ever happened.  It can and probably has.

      These are two possibilities.  Each agreeably fantastic but also possible.  Keep the mind open to all things.

    6. Stump Parrish profile image60
      Stump Parrishposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      http://s4.hubimg.com/u/4050831.jpg

    7. donotfear profile image89
      donotfearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Answer from Christian: They were dinosaurs that died here long ago.

      http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/graemlins/bonk.gif

    8. Alatheia profile image60
      Alatheiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They were pooped out of a dinosaur!

  2. thooghun profile image86
    thooghunposted 6 years ago

    (1) They claim there are no transitional fossils, which is a myth of epic proportions (since every fossil is by its very nature transitional)

    (2) They claim carbon dating is inaccurate, and that dinosaurs may well have existed a few thousand years ago.

    These seem to be the main arguments put forth, at least to me.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      they're very good at saying what they don't believe in - so what do they actually believe about the fossils, and why do they think the dating is inaccurate? (carbon dating isn't used for very ancient things anyway).  There are actually plenty of  "transitional" fossils showing intermediates between taxonomy groups - I listed some of them on my hub about evolution

      1. hanging out profile image59
        hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        everything was big back then in a pristine environment. near 90% oxygen. untainted pure water. sunlight through unchemtrailed skies. A brand new earth would produce very large animals outside of the garden and when the continents broke apart many large animals were shoved off to other parts of the globe. Did God know that these large animals would later become oil along with other delugian material. Nothing surprises God. Nothing.

        its easy to find similarities between animals, there are only so many variations and dissimilarities to be combined. We just look back and mix n match and form theories and say okay,.... things evolved dudes!
        This to me is laughable. More inferences with some fact but perhaps and i say this to be nice, perhaps even more unfacts than the originator of evolution wanted to include. Nobel prize, yummy!! lol

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          how do you explain that there are no native placental mammals in Australia  (the dingo was introduced by humans 4000 years ago).  Hundreds of speices of marsupials - possums, kangaroos, wallabies etc.  South America has a few native possums.  No marsupials anywhere else.

          Are you an old earth creationist or young earth creationist?

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          and christianity has more fact than inferences?  Oh, yes, plagarised off greek mythology for a start - that's fact

          1. hanging out profile image59
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            thats interesting i thought the catholic religion incorporated pagan beliefs and uncannoned books into their repertoire while the early church, the upper room church in acts 2 and the other churches paul wrote epistles to were well aware of false doctrine and the desires of god the father through the work of christ on the cross. The church was underground for a good many years with the texts paul or another disciple (rarely) hand delivered. I remember laughing and praising god when i read how paul earnestly, earnestly wanted to visit the church in rome, not the catholic church, the underground christian church in rome but God had other places for him to be and he never got there, but ya know what.... the book of romans was created instead, perhaps pauls greatest writing, lol. God works in mysterious ways. Still makes me smile.
            sorry plagarised by greek mythology is not a fact. you can't say things are a fact when they aren't thats just not proper decorum

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    Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago

    The same way they explain away the fact that the earliest discovered human fossils look nothing like tall, handsome white men, and are found mostly in Africa. They can't.

  4. Disappearinghead profile image89
    Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago

    If we are talking Young Earth Creationists, then I believe they say that all fosils are the result of the immense water pressure at the bottom of the Noah floods.

    However, I fail to see any credible reason why Dinosaurs are not with us today. If they died out before Noah, they only had a very short existance and what is the explanation of their extinction. If God knew they would die out very shortly after the flood, then why bother to put them on the ark. If they wre on the ark, then we should have all manner of dinosaurs roaming about causing mayhem today.

    In support of dinosaurs roaming about in biblical times amoungst people, there are one or two very lame extrapolations and twisting of scripture.

    If we say creationists that believe in a 4.5 billion year old Earth, then there is plenty of time for the fossil record to accumualte exactly as paelientologists say (OK I can't spell).

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      all 3 versions involve mass death.  Is god obsessed with death?

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Absolutely obsessed. The biblical god got cheesed off with what he made and destroyed all of them according to the "good book" smile
        How very ungodly of him! lol

        1. hanging out profile image59
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          completely godly.  As we recall, sin spread like wildfire through the host of israel. In spite of all the thou shalt nots and death sentences, israel sinned grievously over and over, continuously. They hooked up with Baal who demanded child sacrifice and the drinking of blood. (while our ungodly god was content with animal sacrifice--- ooooh the horror!!!!) This is the hazard of not knowing context. You think one thing is evil but there is a greater evil that the lesser evil is keeping them from. In all the time of history God did not kill more than the victims of ww1 or ww2 combined and not to mention the 1.73 million abortions per year in the united states alone,  but keep repeating those hate verses, we enjoy misinformation if it supports our viewpoint. This is somebodies idea of a higher morality.

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            Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            sacrifices - interesting that many religions had sacrifices...nothing unique there

            wonder what the vegetarians make of that?

            1. hanging out profile image59
              hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              OTHER nations sacrificed HUMANS and CHILDREN and DRANK blood. God chose to sacrifice israels DINNER. This is my point i mentioned above:
              "You think one thing is evil but there is a greater evil that the lesser evil is keeping them from".
              i don't know what vegetarians thought about that cuz there are no recorded vegetarians just human meat and blood drinkers EXCEPT for gods people who could well be labeled the first civilized society.

        2. hanging out profile image59
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          He was happy with the earth it was the evil in the hearts of the people he didn't like.
          misinformation again

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            He was happy? Is that why he only left 7 or 8 humans remaining alive?
            When I make a chair and it breaks I don't usually abuse the chair or set fire to it.
            Bad humans! You all die cos I screwed up making you? lol lol lol

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              Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              lol

            2. hanging out profile image59
              hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I said he was happy with the EARTH and not happy or didn't like the evil in hearts of the people. And yes God would have wiped the whole thing out but God always is amazingly gracious to those that please him like noah, of the line of seth...
              Also you assume the flood was world wide, i have not screened this fully yet, but i believe different. That whole area is like a giant basin it is below sea level and may have been farther below then. I am a pangaea believer and i believe the continents divided during the flood so i am also saying that 8 humans yes and possibly many more because we have to take note of inhabitants on other countries besides australia or were aboriginies already there when the criminals got shipped out of england?

              1. Jerami profile image78
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I have mentioned this before.
                  The words from which "the whole earth" was translated from"

                   Nebuchadnezzar had dominion over the WHOLE EARTH?

                   Cyrus said that the God of heaven has given him the kingdoms of the WHOLE EARTH?

                  The WHOLE EARTH was flooded?

                  We need to check out those translations?

              2. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The "criminals" you mention were my ancestors.
                Many stole as little as a loaf of bread to feed their starving children, many did nothing more than upset a member of the ruling class.

                Calling the Australian convicts criminal is insulting and ignorant in my view.
                I know my Australian history, and it was not the convicts who were the criminals, it was the English ruling class who were starving them to death in Britain that were the criminals.

                That you see nothing wrong in the idea that am omniscient god would wipe out all but a handful of it's creation speaks volumes.

                If that does not seem just a tad weird to you, you have my sympathy.

                1. Lymond profile image85
                  Lymondposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Earnestshub, there are only two kinds of people in new south wales....

                2. hanging out profile image59
                  hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  just quoting the history books i see this is another book that you know better than. You are amazing.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Taoist, Its root's go back to the 5000 years ago .Book of Supreme Peace A 2500-plus-year-old spiritual practice, 500 years before the bible. Taoist book makes it the second largest religion of the world; The idea of a Taoist is not fit their beliefs. ... You don't have to "believe" in dinosaurs. There is evidence of their existence.

                3. hanging out profile image59
                  hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I think the phrase "ITS CREATION" was a key point in what i think God can do with what is his, but i am sure you will enjoy debating that with God when the time comes

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm a co creator with God; the kingdom of heaven is within me. God is all loving, and everyone is god.

                    I don't want to be hanging out with a bunch of Christians judging each other on Judgment day.

            3. brotheryochanan profile image61
              brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              mankind screwed up and there are some quite good examples of mankind screwing up still, today.
              some things never change.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                So you are saying that all the newborn babies screwed up too and it was OK for some psychotic entity to waste them??????

                Read my words. ALL BUT a handful were obliterated.

                For what good reason again???

                1. brotheryochanan profile image61
                  brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  1 Corinthians 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the (believing) wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the (believing) husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy".

                  How about when herod ordered the children under 2 killed? How about when Nagasaki destroyed infants, how about when WW1 and 2, children were innocent victims of bombings... how about.... how about... You think because there are children God can do nothing? I cor. shows ya how to protect your children in case of earthquake, fire, or flood. Need another way?

                  Arguing anything with you reminds me of the cop who gives the speeding ticket. The one who enforces the rules are always wrong to do so. But there are real criminals out there, catch them officer. But the rest of my driving was good most of the other time. What a waste of tax payer money lol.
                  anything anybody says will always evidence against them.

                  lol... bible says, earnest.. learn to live with it.

                  1. brotheryochanan profile image61
                    brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    also i have a friend who was hit by a bus as a child, age 2.5, almost lost his leg. Its severly skin grafted and now hes 40 and on disability with chronic lymphodemia.
                    He says: "as far as christianity is concerned he would rather have died as a child because he would have died an innocent.

                    Romans 4:15   Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression

                    if there is no transgression of law there is no sin.

                    Before the age of accountability, 13 or so... there is innocence. and if innocence then no sin. No sin, no judgment. You can't take someone to court if they are innocent.

                    Babies die innocent.
                    time to modify your thoughts about this.

                  2. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Your psychotic entity in a fit of childish rage wiped out all but 8 of mankind apparently, as well as every bird in the air.
                    I wonder if one of the birds pooped on him/it?

                    The biblical nonsense is just what it sounds like. Nonsense.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      funny how they don't find heaps of human skeletons with the dinosaurs etc  from this supposed flood.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think the flood was in Noah's bathtub! Probably fell asleep and dreamed the rest of the myth. smile The biblical flood story is hilarious! lol

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          it's so ridiculous.  Heaps of dinosaurs would have been drowned either way, and where are all the fossils of these "evil" humans? 

          Maybe Noah had a wet dream?  big_smile

          1. hanging out profile image59
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            There wasn't heaps of people and quite possibly heaps of dinosaurs either. What made you think there would be heaps of dinosaurs? did you infer and make a conclusion based on an inference?
            Have you ever heard of pangaea? Of course you have before you wrote your latest hub.. pangaea was this earth of smaller size, smaller because all the continents and tectonic plates fit together perfectly, on a smaller sized earth. Pangaea had all the land together amassed on one side of it and the rest was water, sound familiar, it should.
            Genesis 1:9   And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
            so the land and water are in one place. One continent. With a layer of water above the earth, keeping out radioactive waves.
            Genesis 1:7   And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. (perhaps thats a bit deep for ya anyway)

            it is my belief that during the flood there was much more going on than just water from above falling. I believe the earth became larger and the continents split, due to the increase in size. But also that much would have been lost into the magma under our 37mile thick crust, irretrievable by any means today. Bone crushes and the water erodes even the hardest rock over time.
            So there you have yet another answer to yet another of your questions. I hope you don't ignore this one as you seemingly have the others that don't fit your intelligently designed idiologies.
                                                          have a great day.

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              Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              if there wasn't heaps of people, then why bother with a flood to kill them all?  So God onlly made a few dinosaurs and then decided to drown them all - how senseless is that?

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I hope you are having a fun time with your mocking and ridiculing. You are allowing Earnest behavior to rub off on you. I pray that God will heal your bitter heart toward him.

                1. Adroit Alien profile image87
                  Adroit Alienposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  why stop there? Why don't you pray for god to stop him from "mocking and ridiculing"?

                  His character is not in question. His point is. It seems like a valid question so why don't you give an explanation instead of hopping on your high horse?

                  1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                    Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I will not pray for God to stop him from mocking and ridiculing. God will not force him to stop. He has to decide to stop on his own. The question which he asked have been answered. I see no reason to repeat it. Have a nice day!

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                  Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  WOC - you insist on REPEATEDLY accusing me of being bitter, angry etc ie attacking my character, which is harrassment.

                  You accuse me of mocking and ridiculing because I ask questions that make you uncomfortable.  Two christians recently said they like my debates, because I refrain from personal insults and mocking. 

                  As for Earnest getting banned, I've never seen any more "mocking and riducule" from Earnest than I read from Hanging Out.  I think both are trying to inject humour at times.

                  Seems a few individuals are interested in "gagging" those that don't agree with them.  eg I have seen at least 4 christians attack Paar for quoting from his holy book, yet christians quote from theirs.  What gives the christians the right to control the forums?  Just like the religionists gagged teachers from teaching evolution and human reproduction.

                  And, I thought you would remember that I am female, not male!  Quit the personal insults; next time I will report you.

                  1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                    Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow, I have not personally attacked you. Your prior post above states:" Maybe Noah had a wet dream? Did you overlook that? It is mocking and ridiculing. Did you delete some of the other mocking messages above between you and Earnest? It's not nice to twist my words. I was not referring to the questions that you have asked on this thread. I am referring to your mocking about Noah and the flood. Sorry to disappoint you, but none of your questions makes me uncomfortable. I am sure you would love to set me up to be banned. It is not a threat to me for you to falsely report me for insulting you. I will continue to praise Almighty God. Have a great day Baileybear.

            2. Disappearinghead profile image89
              Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The point is if dinosaurs were about during the flood one would ecpect to find fossilsed humans amoungst the dinos, but we don't. Where are the big dinos today?

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                Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                yes, that was my original point - there would be modern humans with the dinosaurs.

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              Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              the firmament isn't a word in modern usage; goes with the flat earth concept - it refers to the dome of the heavens over the earth (which is an illusion of course).  It was thought the sky was a solid object (in all mythology).  Very unscientific of course, just like your answer about the water

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament

              http://www.asa3.org/archive/asa/199611/0050.html

              1. hanging out profile image59
                hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                i do not subscribe to modern usage bibles. KJV is the only one i use
                This is what i meant by dividing waters
                Genesis 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it DIVIDE  the WATERS from the WATERS".
                  Genesis 1:7   And God made the firmament, and divided the WATERS which were UNDER the firmament from the WATERS which were ABOVE the firmament: and it was so".

                You like science. Water can filter radioactive waves, which space has plenty of.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  How do you know about the radioactive waves in space?  Or anything at all about radioactivity, for that matter!  This requires scientific instruments to measure the radioactivity.  Or are you selective in which science you choose to believe in or suits your purpose?

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Hello!  I guess Hanging Out musta got hung up!

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                  Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  the firmament being a fictious solid dome making up the "heavens", as it was thought back then

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              Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              what's really funny is creationists take a little bit of scientific terms (eg Pangaea, tectonic plates, radioactive waves, etc), twist it all, add a ridiculous way-out interpretation that is neither biblical nor contradicts the bible, with no evidence!

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                ..... and that's on a good day! lol

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                  Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  each day I find out something even more ridiculous about christianity/religion!

                  1. hanging out profile image59
                    hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    this is why you want to lean on Jesus. Just do what jesus says and your walk will be fine. After the sinners prayer (u have sinned Bailey) God will want to have a chat with you. Wait upon God and you shall be renewed. You already know what God, to some degree, expects.
                    You will always find headshakers in religion and catholicism.

              2. hanging out profile image59
                hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Its not my twist. You twisted what i said. lol. hows that for humor?
                Pangaea is another scientific theory as all science is theory and assumptions based on totally inaccurate hindsight and crafty manipulation to get what they want. I offer light measurement, once thought to be in particles... invent a new machine and discover it is in waves. Oh my. change that theory but what if the new machine is also wrong.. change the theory aqain. lol. talk about blind faith hehe.
                I like the Pangaea theory but i am not saying it is scriptural, but i do like it.
                This is something amazing about living in the spirit and about being made alive in christ, we learn to read between the lines, the spirit filling in the blanks and using a nasty thing like context, that is staying within the guidelines of scripture or gods will, we can SEE into situations and perceive and answer that may not be supported by a definite scripture but neither does the bible say not to smoke cigarettes.
                As for heaps of dinosaurs, whatevs. We talk of numbers lol how senseless is that? How do we know that proof of man with dinos in fossils is not repressed, how do we know that that information is not repressed? we do not. blind faith in 'knowing it all', people have tv and news papers which we know have been censored, but to what degree? Blind faith again.
                I have a book in front of me which contains all the answers there is nothing blind about reading neither is there anything ridiculous in having faith. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
                have a great day!

                1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                  Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I found it quite interesting when a christian is labeled ignorant when God presence is evident in their lives.

                  1. hanging out profile image59
                    hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    MOST OF THIS IS A HEADSHAKER i am so glad to be saved. But for the grace of god, go i.

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              Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I counted at least 30 family groups of dinosaurs that have had fossils found (and each family doesn't necessarily equal one species).

              1. hanging out profile image59
                hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                nice.
                the heavens do show his handiwork.. and awesome creativity.

  5. Lymond profile image85
    Lymondposted 6 years ago

    And jesus was walking towards Nazareth, but the road was blocked by a giant brontosaurus...

    All hail Bill Hicks smile for this question has already been answered (sit down and strap in...) God put them there to "test us"

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly! lol lol lol

  6. kerryg profile image87
    kerrygposted 6 years ago

    Yeah, the explanations I've usually seen from Young Earth Creationists involve a combination of the Flood and the inaccuracy of modern dating methods. I've also known a few Young Earthers who flatly deny that dinosaurs existed in the first place.

    1. thooghun profile image86
      thooghunposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No velocirapture sad ?

      1. hanging out profile image59
        hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        not yet. it should be slow about 15 miles an hour, gotta take in the view yknow.

    2. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      At one time in history most people thought dinosaurs were dragons, these young earthers may have played a lot of dragon DVD games.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Google The Creation Museum

        The Creation Museum is a museum that presents origins of the universe, life, mankind, and man's early history according to the Book of Genesis.  Earth and all of its life forms were created 6000 years ago over a six-day period. The display shows dinosaurs like pets. Young Earth creationist claims, including the idea that humans and dinosaurs once coexisted, and that dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark like the T Rex and all the animal on the Ark were Vegetarian until the boat landed, then some animals became meat eaters.

        How convenient

        1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
          Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          you are aware the dinosaurs existed way before cromags walked the earth right?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I saw some of the staff at the Creation Museum. I get a feeling they had some heavy metal-influenced.

        2. Disappearinghead profile image89
          Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not even Jews believe this.

        3. hanging out profile image59
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          i doubt dinosaurs were on the ark. Perhaps this is one of the animal types that God wanted to get rid of. Up until the middle ages dragons are talked of. A brother has no trouble believing that dragons existed until the middle ages a remnant from the dinosaur age prior. I believe and again its not scriptural that dinosaurs lived outside the garden.
          Genesis 2:8   And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
          The garden was in eden. eden means pleasure.
          Genesis 3:23   Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken
          God kicked them out of the garden but not eden.
          It may be surmised that dinosaurs were not allowed to unpleasurize eden i do not have a scripture for that but i am not offended by this. God would keep them out and recall they died off suddenly, flood perhaps.
          I believe there is an evolutionary process but not like it is put forth in the theory of evolution NOT fact of evolution, it is quite plainly a theory, blind faith again. I offer earthworms. In some dumps earthworms have learned to digest plastic. This is new to earthwormism lol. I offer the angler fish of the deep sea what glows and has a fishing rod with a light bulb sticking out of its forehead, what evolutionary gene has such 'keen insight' as to say to itself, hey if i grow a fishing rod out of my head, other fish will try to bite it and i can get a meal out of them. Also.. if i make it glow i can see where i am going, brilliant! lol.

          1. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Based on the size and dimensions of the ark, it's not likely that even all the species of dinosaurs would have fit, let alone the millions of species of other animals.

            Perhaps, Noah was a magician just like Merlin, who waved his magic wand and "Higgildy, Piggildy" the entire contents of his house into a small carrying case. LOL! smile

            1. Lymond profile image85
              Lymondposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Beelzedad,

              I don't know very much about boat building but I'd think that any wooden boat of that size would break in the middle at the slightest ripple!!

              1. hanging out profile image59
                hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Lymond
                perhaps you underestimate the toughness of the wood or perhaps or the strength of the Gods designing ability and the power of God. If God says build an ark you can bet that no matter what that ark is gonna complete the job God wanted it for.
                beely
                Did God put all of the animals on the ark or just the ones local. Local seems reasonable. I doubt north american moose strolled on up to the gangplank.
                But the number of animals does not bother me, the interpretation of the word KINE as genus or by name does not bother me either.
                I might assume that God caused the animals not to eat and poo during this time, they perhaps had much sleep indeed.
                Perhaps the drifting of the continents saved many animals and they became native to their respective climates.
                Its all good.

                1. Beelzedad profile image60
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  What if Noah decided to use macaroni and glue?



                  I'm going out on a limb and assuming you were describing a dream you once had or perhaps some hallucination conjured after ingesting magic mushrooms?

                  Yes, it's all good... hmm

                  1. hanging out profile image59
                    hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    too bad when something that you might be able to grasp comes close to you you always resort to writing a silly sentence.

                    I have been done with you so many times and indeed you get sillier and sillier and keep me laughing so hard

                    yet ..... i will stop there.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      funny how they like to use dating methods when it suits them

      1. hanging out profile image59
        hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I care not for dating methods. God did not need 6 days to create he just used 6 days. God did not need 6,000 yrs to create or 320 million years. He probably had time off to make a few more stars or some awesome nebulas.
        Its like the flood, i don't think God needed 40 days he just used 40 days.

        Time is not a factor to God.
        To speak things into creation speaks to me of instantaneous.

  7. Paul Wingert profile image79
    Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago

    It blows me away how people take these fairy stoies of the Bible as literal fact. Creationists are trying to press a square peg of religion into a round hold of science. Basically hey're compairing apples and oranges. There are countless creation stories between various cultures that are thousands of years old. The Bible was written 2000+ years ago. Modern science started about 500 years ago with the invention of the telescope which dispelled the ancient belief that the earth was the center of the universe. Creationists are in the same catagory as the Flat Earth Society.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's quite amusing isn't it - they try to differentiate between "species" and "kind" but "species" weren't described until a few hundred years ago, further refined with molecular genetics in the last 30-odd years. 

      All those scientists tortured and murdered for daring to have an idea different from common belief. 

      Even Darwin was careful not to imply that humans and apes are related, because of the backlash (of course, he would have full confidence now with all the advances with genetics etc).

      Many religionists still cling to supernatural curses as reason for death and illness; demonic possession for depression and epilepsy; and supernatural punishment for imperfection in the world.

      And they still refer to the heart as being the place where god lives and where their feelings are (people in the old days didn't realise that feelings originate in the brain, not the heart)

      1. hanging out profile image59
        hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God knew of genus and species 6,000 plus plus plus yrs ago. Someday, and this is a humongous lol mankind will scratch the surface of what God knows.

    2. hanging out profile image59
      hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Paul you are sounding like someone who desperately needs to hammer a point home. I don't care if you don't believe the bible. It matters not to me in fact your disbelief takes away any responsibility i ever had to talk to you about anything you do not believe in.

      Stick to a forum you believe and try to contribute something POSITIVE and all good humans try to do.

  8. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Guddunnit. smile

    1. hanging out profile image59
      hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      exactly!

  9. Diane Inside profile image87
    Diane Insideposted 6 years ago

    you people are only reading part of the story, you have to take into account that if God did in fact create the earth and humans, then his sense of time and space must be different than ours. 

    That in fact one day to God may well be a thousand years to us. Or more.

    So All of this could have happened in a natural way with a creator that sets everything in motion.

    If you only read the bible stories and don't account for the time needed or the circumstances at hand you will definately find conflicts.  You have to realize that time to us is different than time to God.

    1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
      Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed.

    2. Stevennix2001 profile image84
      Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      diane, i couldn't agree with you more, as i think people tend to often misread into things about the bible.

      1. J.R. Smith profile image60
        J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God is outside the dimension of time. If he always was,and will be. Time doesn't exist.

  10. citizenjournalist profile image61
    citizenjournalistposted 6 years ago

    Hopefully better than evolutionists having carbon-dated a living turtle at 2.5 million years of age and the turtle was still walking.  The real question: How do evolutionists explain a flood waters as high as the highest peak being a localized flood.  What held their waters back from covering the earth?

    1. citizenjournalist profile image61
      citizenjournalistposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      flood waters, as opposed to, a flood waters...sorry I work about 80 hours per week.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      creationists can't even give a decent explanation for a supposed flood that covered the highest peak, so how can evolutionists?

      1. hanging out profile image59
        hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Science fails to give a decent answer to how things got here. There are many things people take for granted that are blind faith, history books, even quantum mechanics and until another machine is made to measure light we accept the second machines accuracy on blind faith.
        the flood is wonderfully intriguing but i have to admit that i have not given it that much attention, it is not paramount to my salvation. I have a few pictures of the event that satisfy me. When i say to you france is beautiful this time of year, i may picture sun on the Eiffel tower and you may picture autumn leaves on the west bank, although both pictures be true they do not meet the others perception. This is fair and good, especially in christendom. I have said before that others do not care to know what the serpent in genesis 3 is they are happy to follow God never knowing and that is well and good. Others desire greatly to know and that answer is out there somewhere by now i am sure. I myself have a few pokes at it. and this is well and good but not necessarily your imagery.
        Distractions abound in the world and the seeking of easy knowledge through easy channels is not the best way to go. Yes some answers will aid one in being saved but being saved is for whomsoever believes, of tantamount importance but to the saved it is the glorious first step, i speak of myself but not of all. It is hard to surrender ones pride and will and stubborness, this is truly a high calling but it is not impossible just not possible for some.

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          so, you are willing to admit that believing in the bible is blind faith too?  Blind faith that it was inspired by God (and jews, christians, muslims all only believe a certain number of books are devine and don't believe in the same god).  Blind faith that the people that voted on which books go in the bible got it right?
          The interesting thing about scientific theories, is they are not so arrogant to claim absolute truth, because there is always something new to add to support a "theory".  No better theory has been proposed for evolution or gravity or the solar system etc.  Intelligent design is really religionists trying to attack science because they realise people might doubt what they have been taught to believe for centuries.  Scientific "theories" are built on measurements and observations in the natural world.  Religion is built on belief that a book of writings came from god - the latter takes more "blind faith"

          1. hanging out profile image59
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            How you got that from what i wrote i will never understand. I can understand how the bible complexes you so. Nice to know you believe in something that does not ascribe itself to absolute truth. The bible is absolute truth and i subscribe to it.
            misinterpret what i just said.

        2. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Science provides excellent answers based on evidence, which does not include the waving of a hand by an invisible sky fairy, sorry to say.  LOL!



          Many who never take the time to understand concepts like quantum field theory and the speed of light, even at basic levels often make nonsensical comments about comparing them to the blind faith they embrace.  smile

          1. hanging out profile image59
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            evidence lol
            not absolute truth, didn't you read baileys message. lol
            psst, invisible sky fairy didn't even wave his hand lol.. i thought you might have gotten that right but i was not disappointed.

  11. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    How do creationists explain fossils eg of dinosaurs


       That is easy ....   god created dinasours ...  and then ...????

    1. J.R. Smith profile image60
      J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Dinosaurs are mentioned in the book of Job.

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Cool !!!   what kind of dinasour was it?

        1. J.R. Smith profile image60
          J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There are two. one is the behemoth, probably a brontasaurus, the other mentioned is called leviathon. Some aquatic dinasaur.they have a description.
          Chapter 40 KJV

          1. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Are there any of these species or their descendants still alive today?

            1. J.R. Smith profile image60
              J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Loch ness?

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Donald Duck?

              2. Jerami profile image78
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                and I'm not even going to ask ya to prove it.  ha
                  I believe ya

                1. J.R. Smith profile image60
                  J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I couldn't anyway. the scottish seem to think there is something there. I'm not very good with the water dinosaur. but check this description of "behemoth".

                  he eateth grass,his strength is in his loins,and his force is in his belly,he can drinketh a river. his bones like iron.he moveth his tail like a cedar, the sinews of his stones wrapped together. so maybe it was the dinosaur that had the "club" on his tail.

          2. Diane Inside profile image87
            Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            chapter 40 what book?

            1. J.R. Smith profile image60
              J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Job

              1. Diane Inside profile image87
                Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                oh sorry I just read back a couple of comments where you already said that. Sorry, and thanks.

  12. Stevennix2001 profile image84
    Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago

    what does the lochness monster have to do with dinosaurs?  seriously.  as far as i know, there's been no definitive proof of a lochness monster as of yet.  Don't get me wrong, there's a strong possibility it might exist, as we still haven't explored the entire depths of our oceans, seas, rivers and whatnot thoroughly as scientist discover new species all the time.  hell, the last i heard they already discovered giant squids living at the very bottom of the ocean.  something that was never before thought possible due to the extreme amount of pressure at that depth. 

    therefore, it's possible.  however, i don't think you can say definitively that lochness exist today, until actual proof is gathered first that it even exists.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Even the tourist blurb can't save the Nessie myth.

      Loch Ness has been scanned from a-hole to breakfast time. No Nessie. smile Just like other myths, science was not it's friend.

      1. J.R. Smith profile image60
        J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I've always thought Nessie to be a tourist trap,anyway.

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I just wish I had been there. I have a friend from the area and it is stunningly beautiful. smile

          1. J.R. Smith profile image60
            J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I've heard that there is no where else like it. breath-taking.
            Alas, maybe someday.

        2. Jerami profile image78
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And it is good that they have what they have.

             I wouldn't want it to be said that  I am the one that took that from them.  As it says is scripture... So be it!
            Or did I just make that up.    OH Well.  sigh!

          1. hanging out profile image59
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            an inference that i can imagine is that we suppose the beastie is limited to one lake. If you look at scotland the lake pretty much divides the whole country
            http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/Loch_Ness.htm

            and we haven't ruled out connecting shafts way down under. It would have access to the sea! on both ends.
            hmmmm.
            to many inferences in hubpages for me to take any conversation seriously lol. inference, inference, my kingdom for a fact lol.

    2. J.R. Smith profile image60
      J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I was just playing. ha ha. I don't really know much about the aquatic dinosaurs,so i couldn't guess on the scientific name. In Job's description of the land dinosaur, it seems to be talking about the one that was covered in sheilds with the club for a tail.

      1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
        Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        that's cool. i figured you were when i read your post, but thanks for clearing that up.  i think i know which dinosaur your talking about, but i don't know the exact name of it right now. however, that is very interesting. i didn't realize that dinosaurs were mentioned in the book of job.  thanks for the input. does it also mention anything about the giant arachnids that used to exist BEFORE dinosaurs too?  the reason i ask is because i saw a documentary once on the discovery channel, and they said before dinosaurs even existed, the planet used to be dominated by giant spiders.  have you heard anything like that?

        1. J.R. Smith profile image60
          J.R. Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          no,I haven't. But there is also mention of unicorns, but i think that it might mean something else. JOB 39? it's also mentioned in Numbers, somewhere around where they mention Moses having a black wife.

          1. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            HUM    OH well.   Sigh

          2. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            God loved Unicorns and disrespect  Jellyfish
            The man of God is the opposite of a jellyfish in every respect.

            The World’s Only Immortal Animal


            The turritopsis nutricula species of jellyfish may be the only animal in the world to have truly discovered the fountain of youth. there may be no natural limit to its life span. Scientists say the hydrozoan jellyfish is the only known animal that can repeatedly turn back the hands of time and revert to its polyp state (its first stage of life).Turritopsi  can regenerate its entire body over and over again, it is able to reverse its aging processes ...its 650 million years old, it has no brains or backbone, it travels it prays in all oceans and all depth of sea. It weighs up to 450 pounds. The jelly population is many times greater than humans.

            The jellyfish can shows that the bible and the Quran are written by people and not by any god

            Anyone curious to know more about the bible and the jellyfish

            1. hanging out profile image59
              hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And some of the oldest trees on earth, the great bristlecone pines, don’t seem to age like we do. At 3,000-plus years, these trees continue to grow just as vigorously as their 100-year-old counterparts. Unlike animals, these pines don’t rack up genetic mutations in their cells as the years go by.

              This giant cypress lives in Abarkooh, Iran. The evergreen took root between 4,000 and 4,500 years ago, around the time that Stonehenge was being completed. It may be the oldest living thing in Asia, and is a national monument in Iran.

              This common yew in Llangernyw, Wales, sprouted during Britain’s Bronze Age, and is between 3,000 and 4,000 years old.

              The majestic evergreen tree was discovered in 1993 in a grove in the Andes Mountains of south-central Chile. Using tree rings, scientists showed the giant is 3,620 years old

              This giant bald cypress lives in the semi-tropical Big Tree Park, Florida, among palm trees. The Senator is the biggest tree by volume east of the Mississippi River. The 125-foot-tall behemoth is about 3,500 years old

              Gee, a young earth is supported here. NO trees older than biblical records.

              1. Pcunix profile image90
                Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You might want to read http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/ … -yea2.html

                Oh, never mind. It's too scientific.

                1. hanging out profile image59
                  hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  i know, i've been watching my layers of earth deplete from my front lawns for decades now... sarcasm lol.

                  science doesn't impress me. It is all just theories and clever manipulations to come to a conclusion that they want.

                  try this one... http://6000years.org/   with no sarcasm lol

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    World's Oldest Living Tree -- 9550 Years Old -- Discovered In Sweden

                    Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                    The tree, at least 4862 years old was cut down U.S. Forest Service
                    Bristlecone pines grow in isolated groves at least 4844 years old,

                    The jellyfish is 650 million years ago
                    The Flood happened about 4400 years ago.

                    Many trees, fish, animal, dinosaurs, frogs and bugs swam around in space until God created earth 6,000 years ago….not

              2. Alatheia profile image60
                Alatheiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "Gee, a young earth is supported here. NO trees older than biblical records"

                lol lol lol lol  You really got um!  No arguing that for reelz!

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Gee, that sure helps explain Australia's 46,000 year old people then! lol lol lol

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                    Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    and why there were a wide diversity of marsupial mammals but no placental mammals in Australia (dingos were introduced later)

                  2. hanging out profile image59
                    hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    google didnt give me any such returns earnest, can you prove this 46,000 yr old people. As such i was not able to confirm what you say to be true, i can guess it is another lie, but i won't, i will give the benefit of the doubt and just ask you to cite your proof please. For the benefit of all.

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            Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            no unicorn fossils found

        2. Disappearinghead profile image89
          Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Job doesn't mention dinosaurs unless you choose to interpret behemoth as a brontosaurus.

  13. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Is it a christian jellyfish? smile Seriously though, this is very interesting! smile

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Man-o-war is not a jellyfish but it is in bible science

      The Portuguese man-o-war has a nasty sting because it can only drift. It is easy prey. The man of God does not need a sting; he strives to be gentle. So, we see the get-up-and-go of the man of God. He is not a jellyfish, drifting along with the currents of the world. He is more like a dolphin, leaping over the waves; gliding through the water. He lives an active life: he flees, he pursues, he fights, and he takes hold

      The man of God is to have some get-up-and-go about him. He is not to drift passively along with the currents of the world like a jellyfish. He is to flee, to pursue, to fight and to take hold.

      If, like jellyfish, we simply drift along with the culture we will never become men and women of God. The world around us is not pursuing righteousness or godliness or faith or love or endurance or gentleness

  14. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    We must live in different worlds. The world around me is wonderful. I don't enjoy the hate in the world but as the "men of god" you mention number over 5 billion deluded individuals who have a "god" has it occurred to you that they may be the problem?

    I live in a large family full of love, tolerance and understanding, but no god has ever had any say in it. smile

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Love and kindness is the only thing that penetrate me, my mother says she is an atheist, then agree with me about everyone is god. We both do not believe in the SUPER natural GOD stuff.

      Do anything you want, If you’re not harming anyone your godlike in my eyes.
      God just a word, it’s only the behavior that count. Only, you know for sure.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree. I know a bit about love. I have enough self worth to have self love to share. I don't get annoyed by the kids around me all day, I love every precious minute. Kids know about love, we just need to ensure we don't damage their self worth and all is fine. smile Adorable honest. I have to go to dinner, a 5 year old is scolding me and I don't want to get in her bad books. Ferocious little female! smile Back after dinner. smile

    2. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      earnestshub  wrote  "...over 5 billion deluded individuals who have a "god" has it occurred to you that they may be the problem?"

         But have you ever wondered where the middle ground might be if it weren't for BOTH  extreems?  Take just one of these away, then what have we got?

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        My life and morals are logic based. I know I get what I give and make those choices. I choose love of my fellow man and peace in my life.

        9/10ths of the world believe a fairy is in charge of it all. Like many other non religious people I do no harm to others, in fact I contribute strongly. I think if you look honestly you will see that the world is in a mess, but it is not caused by unbelievers.

        Iraq was invaded with god's blessing, the taliban are blowing people to pieces with bombs, the christians are killing in Africa and being killed in Iraq, the muslims are killing in Russia, the Jews are killing in the Gaza strip, shall I go on? How many of these wars are fought by religionists about religion?

        All of them! Bush may have gone after oil and the kickbacks to Halliban, but it was done in the name of god. George Bush said so and nobody contradicted him that I know of.

        Hitler was a religious fanatic, he just saw it was not the best way to motivate Germany at that time or he would have made it his.The great psychologist Marie Louise Von Franz was present at some of his public screamings and I have read what she wrote about him. His religion haunted him.

        What do they all have in common?

        A belief in the most implausible of hearsay stories made obviously with the intent to intimidate and frighten an ignorant and terrified people. Much like today, and I find it mind-numbingly stupid.

        What we would get without religion is a world that cares because it understands that the most selfish yet noble of all acts is to support life, all life,  when we support mankind ourselves, our whole self worth is supported and nourished from the inside, no god has any part in that. It is simply good logic.

        1. Pcunix profile image90
          Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What sometimes wears me down is living in the land of crazy.

          I was trying to explain this to someone just yesterday.  I asked them to imagine that just about everyone around them was worried that the moon was going to come crashing down to destroy the Earth.  Scientists kept telling people there was no reason to think that, but people would say "You can't PROVE that won't happen!" and go on worrying about it and talking about it incessantly.

          You couldn't escape it.  People would mention buying "Moon insurance" and ask you where you thought the safest place to live might be.   Every week, some nut would go on TV insisting it was going to happen on next Monday and the news reporters would take it very seriously every time.  Every time people made plans, they'd add "If the moon doesn't fall!"

          You'd feel like you needed to scream.  Maybe you would, but people would just look at you like you were the crazy one.

          I told him that's what I felt like living in this world.  He looked at me and (of course) said "But God is real"

          aaargh!

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Migrate mate! It's pretty good here. The words god-botherer are in the local vocabulary, and it is the fanatics who get the dirty end of the stick. smile

            1. Pcunix profile image90
              Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I wish we could.

              I am honestly disgusted by this country - not by the political system as designed, but by how it has been hijacked by the ultra rich and how the hopelessly stupid are manipulated by them.

              We're too old, though.  We're stuck here with the Moon-fallers.

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                Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I am quite disgusted by some of the American christians on here - they say atheists are satan worshippers and are evil etc.  I really had no idea just how "christian" Americans think they are. 
                I had only my nutty family to move away from - not the majority of the population!

                1. Disappearinghead profile image89
                  Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  America is a land of extremes, Europe is a continent of moderation and balance. Still if you will live in the free world!!! smile

                2. hanging out profile image59
                  hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  you will always find bad somethings, bad dancers, bad drunks, bad teachers, bad politicians, bad police, but do you say all dancers and drunks and teachers and politicians and police are bad. NO. Because right off the bat you are aware of the outrageousness and incorrectness of the statement! Yet this is not true of christiandom. They are all bad.. I see some bad christians, here is your bad christian... now chuck your god!

                  this is hypocrisy

              2. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Never too old my friend! You're a really smart guy, you must have some skills we need here? Small businesses can work well here as well. I'll think of something you can do. smile

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              Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              "god-botherer" is a phrase my husband uses a lot.  The religious extremists stick out a mile in New Zealand and Australia.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That's true. Better education system perhaps? smile

          2. hanging out profile image59
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What sometimes wears me down is living in the land of crazy.

            then get rid of that hat! lol

          3. hanging out profile image59
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            well yah.... there is no book that reveals that the moon will come crashing down to earth, in fact, the bible says it will NOT! This is why there is a book left by God so we know what to expect and we understand many things by it.

            god is real.

        2. hanging out profile image59
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          yes, thanks for the love earnest.

        3. hanging out profile image59
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There is also the rumor that germany was inundated with cocaine prior to the war. Hitler was born roman catholic and we know wolves like to wear sheeps clothing. Also at that time, the spirit of society was much godlier. People who believed in God were the majority of the population and not as educated. Today a grade 12 edu level is normal back then grade 9 was lucky. There are so many factors that you do not take into consideration when you misinform everybody as to what you know is right.
          I find most posts funny because they lack so much world view.
          You also never mention hitler didnt have enough common sense to get his VD checked lol. or that hitler was a 33 level mason. You leave out so much.

    3. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      Anyone who thinks brainwashing doesn't work should look at religious indoctrination. About 99% effective! smile

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm still amazed I believed all that crap

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Me too. I was young, but that is not the only reason. Indoctrination in my case. My children were much smarter at that age! lol

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi GUYS

            I might have slightly derailed this thread with my man-o-war jellyfish story. I am really strap in to hear much more about creationists views on fossils dinosaurs. This is one of my guilty pleasures to listen to, along with TV Evangelists Exploiting the end of the world

            Try political and indoctrination threads

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            Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            mine was indoctrination too. My son is too smart for that.  He was atheist before I was!

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I never use the term "atheist" to describe my position. It is a religious concept. Not believing in myths as fact does not require any other belief system. It has another title. Common sense. smile

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                Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                more like uncommon sense! 
                I don't like the term atheist either; maybe non-theist would be better?

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  It should be called uncommon sense I guess. Not a lot of the world is terribly aware if the main reason for war remains "My invisible fairy is better than yours" smile

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Here some giant ego at play
                    Giants bones the size of foot ball fields.

                    vodpod.com/watch/681532-giants-of-the-old-world

                  2. hanging out profile image59
                    hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    lol thhhchunk, thhhhchunk, thhhchunk.... broken record.. lol
                    earnest comment here will ya about how many wars recently have been fought over ones God being better than another.. prove this statement please.
                    be prepared for me to counter it though so do your research!

          3. hanging out profile image59
            hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            smarter or naive' In my books children who do not acknowledge God in their life have been indoctrinated by unbelieving parents lol

      2. hanging out profile image59
        hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        anyone who thinks brainwashing doesn't work should look at those who keep up with the jones's

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          you mean people that are after material wealth?  Gee sounds like the pentecostal megachurches Destiny and Hillsong

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            Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I think he meant The Reverend Jones and his infamous Kool-Aid (really Flavor-Aid, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones )

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              Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I remember watching a film on that years ago on TV - couldn't believe how anyone could do that.  Some speculate the leader of destiny (brian tamaki) doing the same thing - he made all the men pledge allegance to him (and wear a ring with his face on it).  He wanted to have his own city with own schools etc, cut off from society

        2. hanging out profile image59
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          no i did not... i mean the world and its ways is perhaps the most influential brainwasher that many religions warn against. Everybody knows you can't take it with you but nobody tries to live without it. Except christlikeians and missionaries who travel to africa to live in huts without running water for example. Jesus' preaching demands we give up the ways of the world and our own self nature, but everybody wants a 40" plasma tv lol.
          and your still too worried about what destiny and hillsong are doing while you do nothing yourself. Don't worry about destiny and hillsong. Sheesh i heard one song from hillsong and i never listened to another. Getting in touch with jesus doesn't require a plasma tv or even internet.

        3. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Why do we not find human skeletons dating prior to dinosaurs? .... Actually, they were in a way... the Bible mentions giant lizards and ... Sorry but the bible is no more factual than the story of the 3 little ... Why doesn't it talk about dinosaurs in the Bible? Why weren't dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible? ...

          1. brotheryochanan profile image61
            brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            skeletons would never date dinsaurs.
            Sorry but i have learned a new truth.

    4. Rafini profile image82
      Rafiniposted 6 years ago

      I don't quite understand the purpose of the question. 

      How do creationists explain fossils found in Pompeii?  Probably the same as they explain fossils of dinosaurs.


      The Bible states God created creatures of the earth, sky, and sea before creating man.  Therefore, dinosaurs would have been created before man, and dinosaur fossils would exist the same as any other fossilized creatures.

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        My question is to do with really, how do many believers write off the fossil record and geological as support of evolution (the ones that claim a young earth and a global flood).  If one claims a flood  - which would not give rise to the layering of fossils as we have, then why are there not modern human fossils from this flood too?

        More creatures are extinct than are alive today.  Why wipe out all these creatures?  God likes death?

        What do believers make of fossils of other human species?  Did they not have souls?  Why create all these things, to have them destroyed, to have some humans finally arrive for this hell/eternity thing that believers can't even agree on?

    5. svogt12002 profile image59
      svogt12002posted 6 years ago

      The egg of the dinosaur is really a rock, come on we see the virgin Mary in peperoni pizza's and we sell the pizza on ebay for lots of money. Smile

    6. Stevennix2001 profile image84
      Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago

      Although I do agree with hanging out about the whole Australian bit, as I too read about that in history books as well.  However, I would like to point out though that every countries' history is biased to some degree, from their own point of view.  Therefore, most history books aren't a 100 percent accurate, as history is often depicted by the winners.  Take Native American history for instance.  Native Americans invented and celebrated Thanksgiving for years, before the Pilgrims were even invited to join them.  However, you'll notice that as Native American influence was wiped away from America's history, and forced to relocate various times, that history books were written saying that allegedly the Thanksgiving between the Indians and Pilgrims was not only invented by the Pilgrims, but it was the first Thanksgiving.  You see how that works?

      Look, I'm not picking sides between Hanging Out or Earnest, as I think they both brought up valid points.  However, I just wanted to point that out, as history books aren't always a 100 percent accurate, as most are biased to their own culture or to the author's point of view.  Therefore, it's subjective. I just thought I'd put my two cents in on this.

    7. Paul Wingert profile image79
      Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago

      So dinosaurs are mentioned in Job in the Bible? Wow! So it must be true that dinosaurs existes the same time as humans just like in the Creation Museum in Arkansas! So all this time The Flinstones was a documentary! Man, I learn something every day! Lol. Get real!

      1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
        Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yabba Dabba Doo! wink  lol tongue

        1. Troy C. profile image60
          Troy C.posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          God is God , there is no  other God before him. Get with the program people. Tomorrow is not promised to you. Don't listen to the lies of satans own. They want everyone to join them in hell. i know to a non believer this sounds strange, but it is the truth. God loves you and cares for your very soul.

          1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
            Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            For the record Troy, I never said I didn't believe in god. I was just saying the whole "Yabba Dabba Doo" remark to be funny, since Paul brought up the Flinstone reference.  Therefore, I don't know why your making your statement in response to one of my posts, as I'm not the one saying there isn't a god.

          2. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The creation Museum quoted all dinosaurs like the T-Rex were vegetarian on board.

            How come, not one fossil of these meat eating dinosaurs were found. Not one similar bone structure with changes of flat teeth to eat carrots or lettuce?

            Why not one of the carnivores had flat toes rather than shredding flesh claws on their hands and feet they had ever found a fossil?
            Or was Noah like a great dinosaur tamers too, similar to lions or bears tamer.

            Noah was six hundred year old man , all that poop, all the feeding, all that sailing a storm and the T-Rex must a been a wimp too.

    8. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      I'll say it then. There is no god. smile

      1. canadawest99 profile image60
        canadawest99posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The dinosaurs were here and created by god, but they were terrible sinners and he decided to smote them from the planet and start over with man.   

        Lots of mulligans for someone who is ominipotent don't you think?

        1. Paul Wingert profile image79
          Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Whatever you've been drinking, send me a case!

        2. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It did cross my mind a time or two, yes. smile

        3. hanging out profile image59
          hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          you spelt omnipotent wrong

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            Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            you missed the point

            1. hanging out profile image59
              hanging outposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              lol the point was someone who disses omnipotence and then spells omnipotence wrong is no where near omnipotent enough to comment lol

    9. salt profile image65
      saltposted 6 years ago

      god made them so youd have something to think about !

    10. melpor profile image88
      melporposted 6 years ago

      The creation story does not explain anything. It does not present any evidence in any form for anyone to believe it. It is just a story passed down through the centuries from one generation to the next. There are many holes in the story. For starters it does not mention anything about any prehistoric animals including the dinosaurs.

      1. Dave Barnett profile image61
        Dave Barnettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        A dinosaur ruined my daughter's cell phone. Explain that if you can. Really happened. How do you explain that when they opened up the volcanic cocoons of victims of Vesuvius at Pompeii, nothing was inside but dust. No bones. DUST Pompeii was destroyed around 72-73 AD Where did the bones go?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not too sure volcanic ash is very conducive to the preservation of organic material.

        2. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          A dinosaur messed up my twin granddaughters room apparently so I am not surprised to hear about the phone.

          They both swear it's the truth.

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      vamarine24posted 6 years ago

      ok first off when god flooded the earth dont you think that it was kind of retarded that the only person that had a big enough boat was noah . i mean common god didnt just save him because he had all the animals on his boat . the little cartoon thats on here doesnt make any sence at all because dinosaurs were extinct long before humans had even could even put words together . and if noah and his wife were the only two human left on earth would that make those two people the new adam and eve .if so the entire population of earth was created by insest.  the only thing that we know for positive is biblical or not is that every extiction or the new begining of life on this planet had somethings to do with nature.
            the bible is the most confusing book in the world .its been rewriten so many times no one even know what it oringally said any more . the only thing that makes any sence was the commandments and those were suposedly handed to moses by god .if god can givce him the commandments then i want a winnning lottery ticket . lets see him hand that down .not to mention the commandments came from  a man who thought that he could part the ocean . my point being is weather its evolution or god were here and we all die eventually . the only consistantcy in life is death and extiction by nature or by each other .

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If humans are killed off,
        Can you imagine being replace by 4500 species of cockroach and jelly fish, 3 stories high.

        1. Paul Wingert profile image79
          Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What do you think was heremillions of years before humans. The world will continue to rotate with or with out humans.

      2. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, not even the commandments are any good.

        If anyone bothers to read ALL of the 10 commandments without chopping out all the bits that punish dissent with death. smile

        Just more psychotic nonsense that is cherry picked, altered then sold as "truth"

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yo Earnest!

          All primitive religions use death to control its adherents.  Christianity is no different than any of the many known cults all around the world.  People are afraid of death.  They do not realize they were dead before they were born.  I don't remember it being so bad, do you?

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Nah! I was fine before I was born!
            It's been pretty damn good since too! lol
            If you took the death threats out of the bible it would only be a few pages long! lol

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sounds like Brave Heart and the Passion of Christ combined
              When the End comes near, add Mad Max to the writings

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Along with Rupert Murdoch, Mel Gibson was yet another dodgy Australian export!

                Mel is a screaming religionist apparently. smile

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  He was locked in jail, drunk and screaming Jews are the cause of all wars.

            2. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              If people would just think about the almost impossible odds of them being born into this world they would not worry so much about dying.

              Just one break in the chain of their ancestry going back millions of years and they would never be.  Not to mention being the fastest sperm in the crowd. LOL!

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                How many Christian members do you think there would be, without the fear of an afterlife of hell?

                Put the whole earth's history in a one year calendar.
                Dinosaurs lived for 3 months
                Man exist for 10 minutes
                I wonder, why is God so jealous of jelly fish and dinosaurs

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Which god?  If there's one, there has to be more!  Because after all, they breed like...well, cockroaches!

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Adam and Eve were riding around on dinosaurs. Maybe man can coexist with cockroaches and man can ride  them around.

                    I should not think out loud because somebody will make a movie about it.

    12. Pearldiver profile image86
      Pearldiverposted 6 years ago

      Do they Not Call Ancient BS Copperite? hmm

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Close!  Coprolite is indeed petrified dung!  I think they make jewelry out of it in New Zealand!

        1. Pearldiver profile image86
          Pearldiverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yep... That's Right!!

          Thanks for That RG smile

          DNA Testing on that Coprolite substance here has determined that genetically for the current Mayor of BumbleTown Speaking BS is Not a newly acquired skill! smile

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            But you don't have a monopoly on BS, PD!  I live in the Bible Belt, so I can authoritatively state there is plenty of BS in the BB, PD!

            1. Pearldiver profile image86
              Pearldiverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I've found that the introduction of Dung Beetles has worked on occasion here... Though it has meant that the Mayor has acquired a bit of a limp since then hmm

              Perhaps a Sister City Program can be established? hmm

              PD&RGsBTBBBSSCP or RG&PDsBBBTBSSCP -

              - Nah... 2012 will sort it big_smile

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago

      big_smile

     
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