The bible has been around for over 2000 years and has taught nothing about love to the world. The only thing it has taught is how to hate and persecute.
At what point in time do you think religion in general might start working for the good of all people and not just those with the same belief? When are christians supposed to start acting like their jesus taught them too? When are they going to start sharing some of that love they get from the bible?
When they can actually show me that the bible can do some good for those who don't believe the myth, I might start speaking a little better of this handy dandy excuse for persecuting anyone the church selects. By the way, it always justifies this persecution with words from this book of love you're advocating.
Boy, you have it all mixed up. The bible does not teach to hate or persecute.
When are Christians supposed to start acting like Jesus told us to? The answer to that is easy: The minute that we asked Jesus to change us, to change our life. All of us are humans, and all of us have faults, no matter what.
But the problem with Christianity seems to be:
1. Do as I say, not as I do
2. A lot of judgement, when we are not to judge, only God can do that
3. Telling people that they are going to hell. Again, that is not our call to make. Besides, how can I tell you that you are going to hell, if I dont even know where I will go?
A lot of christians and pastors need to learn how and to START WALKING THE WALK, RATHER THAN TALKING THE TALK.
And I AM A CHRISTIAN. I am sure, I will get beat up for this one. But, I answer to God, not man.
This would be helpful with regards to Christians. I'm sure pastors have already walked the walk, and realize there is no god. Or at least, the "god" of religion is false, but perpetuates the idea of a "god" to others, so they will have a place to fit in. Not realizing that they already fit in with humanity.
Break a law of man and see who you answer to?
On another thought, since you are a proud "Christian", I must ask....
Do you adhere to the Major 3 Doctrine of religion? If so, how long have you been?
I urge you to consciously think about your reply, because the Major 3 Doctrines of religion which are supposedly a "god's will" or "god's words", cannot be achieved by humans.
So, while you are thinking about it- Why would a "god" give humans unattainable goals?
Just some thoughts to ponder.
Isn't our entire decadent western society failing as a result of being built upon this trash? While the Eastern religions (however inhumanely) beacon for eons past and eons to come. The Western world will kill us all.
The bible has a lot of good stories but I think unfortunately most of what's in there is misinformation, written by men according to their beliefs at the time.
Nothing teaches love like actions from honest people, who care.
There is nothing in the "bible" or any other religious document that can teach love.
The Bible is supposedly an instruction manual for blind followers, who have no rational thought or consciousness.
Any consciously active mind disspells any of the so-called truths of any religion.
I do not belive that the Bible is for 'blind followers' have you read the Bible, it preaches love in the NT, Jesus Christ preached love and peace,so am I to asume that you have not read the Bible, and please give me your proof of dispelled so called truths??
I am Catholic, please show me were the Holy Bible is a instruction manual for blind followers, who have no rational thought or consciousness???
Please show me were My Lord Jesus didn't preace love??
why why why do i even bother to add my comments to these posts.
I love to read the bible.
It has a wonderful message.
It unites and brings harmony and love if it applied
i find it hurtful that people can actually say time and again, horrible things about this most sacred book. It is indeed a gem, it is encouraging .... it offers hope.
I do not want to argue with anyone.
Earnesthub how are your grandchildren. My three grandchildren, are visiting their cousins in Florida at the moment, and having a ball. god bless xxxxxx
Mine are all here with me now as I write. They all have a cough that has been around a while, but they seem unbothered by it. I hope yours have a wonderful time!
I usually quote the hate straight from the book, I have no need to do more, as the OT is one of the most abusive pieces of literature on the planet.
I have no problem with your pleasure in reading it, but take umbrage at the threats and fear it promotes.
There are parts of the bible that have beauty and depth, especially in the OT of all places!
Enjoy yourself, my opinions are not meant to hurt anyone, but when threatened by religionists with their god I respond by pointing out that someone else's god does not speak for me and I do not like being included in their belief.
coughs and colds seem to be world wide at the moment. give them a hug from me...
Thank you! Yes I will give them a hug from you. I get hugs all day from the girls, Angus is too much of a superhero to want too many hugs, except at night when he wants a kiss and a cuddle and a snuggle buggle. Whatever that means.
i am jealous, the only two grandchildren that are near me, are at school right now...... it must be nice to see them all the time..
It is fantastic for me living with them. I just tucked them in (again) and told Angus the story I promised him last night that I would read. I had to kiss and cuddle a bunch of teddy bears as well!
Children are everything. They are love. They give love without hesitation. I am in paradise and I know it!
If in your position I would just ensure that you get time with them when you can. I wish I could wave a magic wand and have all the worlds children move closer to their grandparents. I know it's good for them, and it's more than good for me/us.
I am glad you have 2 living close. They will get out of school soon.
you actually live with them, Yep grandchildren are wonderful things. Know what i really thing one of your grandchildren will learn to love the bible and put you right...... it has happened before. ha ha
Yes I do actually live with them.
I was a devout christian at one time and tackled the bible like most things I do, full on!
I studied it for years, was a foundation member of CBMC (Christian businessman's committee) a world wide organization and even saw the dead sea scrolls and had them explained to me by Clifford Wilson, the then director of the institute of archeology.
I'm afraid they will not be converting me to any religion as I have come to firm conclusions on the subject. I doubt any of them will be taking on religion although like all families, we do have several religions in the family already.
the dead sea scrolls are have astrology etc in them too?
i feel there is a lot of difference between religion and the bible actually.
How come? All christian and other religions not associated with the quoran are based on it.
What? I'm confused.
Religions such as Hinduism, Tao, Sikhs, and many indigenous religions have nothing to do with the Bible. I know you know this, so I think I'm misunderstanding what I read. Am I wrong by chance?
No, you are not wrong, my generalization was sloppy.
Surely not! I have a 5 year old here who is very distracting. She is building a "girls car" and came in to get sticky tape and to ask 1,000 questions!
Gotta love them girls. I hope you are having fun.
You hit the nail on the head. Belief in God, and living the way he wants us to live is one thing. God is not a particular gender, nor is he of any particular faith.
Religion was not created by God, it was created by man.
I would like to second that! Right on, right on, right on the mark with this comment.
And how would you know what exactly that is or how to do? If you make any statement with regards to the "BIBLE", then you are talking about Religion, which you have already stated below as being made by man.
And, you know this how?
This is the only thing you said that was of value.
However, there are plenty of "Christians" who would beg to differ with you, because they look at the "bible" or whatever book, and see it as "god's words" or "god's will".
Religion is supposedly "god" inspired, as is all the scripture in each book.
This brings me back to what I said in my previous post. Why would any "god" create unattainable doctrines for humans?
You clearly have no clue.
You're just rambling on, without an concrete comparisons or proof behind your words. Nothing.
This might come as a surprise to you, but your word isn't worth squat. It is what you can prove that matters.
Bias opinions are worthless. I'd think you of all people would be able to rationally see that.
It appears to me you are Capt Ahab, and us Christians are your Moby Dick. Well your crusade is futile. Especially since you have no academic merit to back up your hate mongering.
there are many books which teach love but how does that matter?..in end it is not what book teaches but what people learn...same book was misused by crusaders and same is being misused even today by people who differentiate between humans in name of religion...in the end humans are plain humans...
I understand why you think that the bible doesn't teach love. However, can you please explain to this Christian, who reads the bible often, this part and I quote;
"The Bible is supposedly an instruction manual for blind followers, who have no rational thought or consciousness."
Have you ever read the bible, or any part of it?
If the bible is "supposedly" blah, blah, blah- wouldn't you rather find out the truth, than just banking on possibilities, when you go to insult a whole rash of people? To this supposedly irrational thinker, I think it would be the logical and practical thing to do.
Bias opinions, directed to insult a select group of people, is hate mongering. So Cags what's the deal? Can you explain your thoughts?
The Bible and EVERY other religious book on the planet, is NOT needed.
Can I explain my thoughts? I figured the words were plain enough to be understood.
Was there some words you didn't understand? How did you get "hate" mongering from my words?
I'm sorry, I am not one of the disillusioned folks here. I am consciously active in my thoughts and usually, I have no need or desire to repeat myself, but constantly have to because irrational people want to twist what is said.
I'm not looking for people to twist the meanings of my words or even the sentence structure I use to say something. If you derive "hate" from my words, then apparently this is how YOU see the world itself, not just me.
I don't see hate in the world. I just stated, that your bias opinion that we are irrational, is hate mongering. That is called an OBSERVATION. Does all CAPS work there too? I mean, YOU seem to think there is a need to use them right now. And, YOU are the rational one:lol:
I find your response rather typical. You insult a whole mass of people, and then you get "hateful" when someone points out the obvious observation. You know, you could have offered up something that was worth discussing, since this is a forum Cags. They are your words, therefore it would have made for a good debate. I really wanted to know. But not now.......
You'd think since you are sooooooooooo "rational," you could have came up with that idea all on your own.
Nice childish response.
I would say something, maybe of a little more value, but you're not likely to understand. So, I guess in the end, you really have no point.
It's funny how you pick out "insults" as "hateful". I guess that goes with your skewed view.
And, when I do offer up what has been learned, you and every other religious fanatic on HubPages, claims I'm going to hell, or won't be saved(as if it was needed), or whatever else. YOU are categorized with all other religious folk. You want to take yourself away from that group, too bad, you cannot do that. You have a belief in a "god", when Life doesn't require you to do so. The fact that you don't understand that truth because you're being too irrational in thought is not my problem. I'm just pointing it out.
But, now what? You'll do the same that every other religious fanatic on HubPages does, by twisting what is said.
I'm sure this statement was made for some purely selfish reason and yes I can see the smiley at the end, which is completely out of place, even if statement is made based on sarcasm.
Well, you need to be saved! The truth is that we were ALL saved the day Christ died for all of the sins of mankind.
There is a difference between salvation and eternal life, and most Christians will argue that one til the cow comes home. We may lose our salvation, but we will never lose eternal life.
We can live in the darkness filled with hate, or we live in the light which is filled with goodness and love. That is our choice to make. God is not our warden. He gave us the words to live by, what we do with them, is our Free Will, which he gave to all of us. We have the ability to live as we please, and to make our own decisions. What happens when the day comes that we all are Judged, what we have done with our lives, good and bad, will be between God and each individual.
There is no truth in this statement. It would be nice if there was, but to no avail there is not.
Eternal life? You're too funny.
If you knew or understood the true meaning of that statement, then you would have no belief in a god.
There is no god.
Can you prove any of this without using a bible or religious reference?
This is so far in this post the only thing I'll agree with.
You cannot prove anyone will be judge without any religious scripture, which is completely based on conjecture at best.
And the personal attack, and the personal insults just keep a coming with you.
It was an OBSERVATION Cags. Gee'z
Why are you looking at those words as insults?
Religious fanatics? They exist. Not an insult, just a reality.
Childish? Come on, an insult? You've got to be kidding. Grow up!
Irrational? Is not an insult.
And here we go again.......... it doesn't stop with you Cags, now I need to grow up?
Again, it was an observation. Gee' wiz.
It is quite clear you cannot academically back up your hate mongering. This aggressive display of brutish, illogical behavior displayed by yourself, clearly states the obvious. However, seeing how you cannot dispel observations in a constructive manner, I'll leave that observation to myself.
And I need to grow up. Please.
That's what I've been saying myself.
You're too funny.
The fact that you find so many things insulting, such as words like "irrational", "childish" and "religious fanatics", says a lot.
However, psychologically speaking- if you happen to be offended by those words, then apparently they have truth to them. Truth often hurts.
See here you go again....
You're something else.
I have nothing more to say to you.
It is apparent you cannot handle a tiny little observation, and it is quite clear you do not know how to effectively, rationally, and academically debate someone.
Instead you'd rather smear this thread with your hate filled rhetoric, and roll over and play innocent.
I don't have the time for that type of behavior. It's beneath me, and quite frankly it should be beneath you too. But apparently this is where you feel the most comfortable and at home. That speaks volumes to your merit and character, whether YOU think it does or not.
You could have handled this in a smart manner, instead you...... whatever.
Typical of someone like yourself.
Why are you getting involved? Bored or something?
Yes I'm done, unless you'd like to add something. We all know how much I value your opinion too Sandra.
Apparently you are bored.
What do you want Sandra?
You asked me a question. Am I to ignore you? Then don't ask me a question.
Ah, are you here because Cags can't stand on his own two feet?
Ah, Sandra. You're so nice.
Are you bored? Did you have to answer the question? Since you are into answering questions that you don't want to answer, then can you define god for me?
Ray can stand just fine by himself but thank you for the compliment.
Sandra I personally don't care to hold a conversation with you. I don't care what you think, nor does it matter to me what you think of me. You are just one of those people, I like to ignore. So excuse me, while I go about my business, ignoring you like usual. Its nothing personal. I just don't care for your opinions. I generally don't care for your positions either.
So, good night Sandra. Be well. Hope your hubs are making you lots of adsense. Bravo job on your fan base, but........
Try not to take this personal, but, I soon bantering with, well anyone but you. But thanks for the opportunity. Night.
"Cagsil-> is about Citizens and their Ability to receive Greater Satisfaction In their Life."
Your so funny:lol:lol:lol:
"Citizens and their Ability to receive Greater Satisfaction In their Life." Hoot.
If you had nothing else to say, then why the below?
What did you want to debate? There is nothing in religion to debate. It's false to begin with.
This is untrue.
Apparently you do, you're here.
It's beneath you? It's "how" you think that has you in trouble, not me.
I am comfortable with truth, not lies.
Yes, it is deemed by my character that I must dispel irrationality when seen. To eliminate lies and misinformation whenever possible.
You could have handled this situation better, by not posting to my comment. However, you didn't because you didn't think about what you were actually going to say, except tell me that I was insulting people.
So please, get off your high horse.
The definition of 'irrational' is: not consistent with or using reason, while the definition for 'hate' is: dislike intensely; feel antipathy or aversion towards.
If we stated someone was irrational because they ran across busy streets without looking for traffic, are we saying we are hate mongering those people? If we stated someone was irrational because they walked near steep cliffs blindfolded, are we hate mongering those people?
Obviously not. One definition has nothing to do with the other, hence it is fallacious to make such claims.
It is therefore 'irrational' to claim someone is 'hate mongering' only because they have opined that a group of people are not using reason.
Yes the bible is full of luv.
"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)
Don't religionists know anything about the "good book?" What do you say about the thousands of childish neurotic quotes in the bible? Just don't see them I guess.
Nasty, neurotic little god!
Here is some of the "information" the world needs from the bible.
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
Nice war mongering tiny little neurotic god!
Awwww. Did they fall down, go boom? Earnest, there is really nothing worse than someone that doesn't seem to have a clue. Except someone who is really clueless. The clue I'm speaking of? If it were a snake. YOU WOULD BE DEAD!
Thank GOD for Earnst!!!! I'm joking of course, but I am glad your around.
Thanks for trying to keep this thread on post. I for one appreciate that. I'm finished with the sideshow.
Yeah, you know I don't even think the world really needs biblical information. I mean that bible has some really interesting aspects, but so does the dictionary.
It is just the principle of lumping all of us Christians into one "stereotypical" mold that gets really old and fast. Hey I'm off to watch some Ancient Aliens that I TiVo. Take care of them girls now.
Some more bible "luv"
The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)
What in all hell is godly about this jealous neurotic individual?
I thought the good book says that love is like a noisy gong?
Imagine going up to your girl and saying, "Hey babe, I love you like a noisy gong."
Mis-information and lies like this make the bible a dangerous and stupid book to follow.
Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15 ASV)
(This passage is evil because people who believe it may not get proper medical treatment for their sick children.)
More biblical "luv" to ponder.
When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites.
These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them.
Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy.
Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters.
They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)
Vicious little god!
Yea Earnest! You left out Bullies and Murderers last night in very acurate discription of these sick evil cults. But try to understand, most religious people are sane decent good people who practice love and peace for Gods sake alone. There is no hidden agenda of hate in most of us. That's why I love you and God loves you. All God ask of us is to go about our lives being decent people. I may not fit the bill but you most certainly do. Gods shines out in all of your words. Even the harsh words are said to wake up those killers. From the book, the stand "you dont have to believe in God Baby...GOD BELIEVES IN YOU! I think there's a special place in heaven for a happy honest and good soul or maybe two! Mayhaps I see you there! Mayhaps I wont...I'll pack a fan and a sweater.
A little bit of info about jesus as the messiah.
Prophecies to Identify the Messiah, Which Jesus Does Not Fulfill:
1) Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus (the messiah) would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Yet no one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible.
2) The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.
3) Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus, hence this is another Messiah prophecy not fulfilled.
The bible is not a good source of information, in fact if you read it properly from cover to cover, you will see it is a mass of lies.
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