Thomas Jefferson, Albert Einstein, John Lennon, Atheists, Agnostic, Gays, Jews. How about Gandhi, Gautama (Buddha). Even Catholic Mother Teresa turned away in the end. All other religions any all the people that disagree with Christians. Many Chinese must have gone to hell. Only 3% Christian go to church and most Christian are not Christ like, could be in hell. Most of World’s population must be in extreme agony including many of my friends and family.
Wow, an all loving God, best parent and creator to his creatures he created and to everything.
All because Your God gets jealous, angry and most of all extremely picky.
Who did I missed?
Well Jesus said " Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone."
So to pass judgement onto another by naming names would classify me as a person without sin.
So sadly I cannot answer.
I'm not judging, only showing suspect of people who didn't practice salvation or who stopped practicing or did not repent their sins on time.
The stones throwing is Old Testament
Eternal burning in hell is a pagan idea and is not suported by the bible.
English Bibles? the English word "Hell" and its concepts are NOT in the Hebrew nor Greek. They come into the English through Northern European mythologies,
Why did Jesus speck more about hell than heaven? The New Testament was designed to replace the Old Testament. Most Christian uses both testaments allowing them to game what ever works for them selves. Without the hell concept you have no bible or the method to fear motivate the masses to Christianity
A simple count through a concordance will dispel the myth that Jesus spoke more about Hell then Heaven.
The NT does nor replace the OT. Paul confirms by stating that the OT is given for our instruction. Jesus said the OT was writtne about Him. The early church had nothing but the OT. Jesus confirmed the OT and stated that not one yod will be removed from the law.
On any given subject the OT is the authority and the NT must be interpreted in the light of the NT as the NT writers were Jews for whom the OT was given.
It is because the church believes that the OT is obsolete that it adopted pagan ideas; eternal torment in hell being one of them.
Some might say that Christianity has become larger than life itself...Except for those that do not buy into it.
Has belief in religion become more important than belief in the creator?
If so; how and why?
I think that when some people read this kind of thing coming out of my mouth THINK that I do not believe in God.
They are wrong.
I just think that religion (by my definition) is not necessarily believing God.
Religions want us to believe in IT.
This is a difficult thing to understand or to explain
Believing and believing IN are two different things.
In Asimov's Guide to the Bible, he describes how, after all of the miracles and implausible events are swept aside, there remains the story of a poor backwoods preacher who got himself into trouble by coming dangerously close to inciting his followers into a disastrous revolt against Rome.
The revolt was never Jesus' intent, but he seemed so greedy for followers that he wouldn't turn away those who saw him as the Messiah of Old Testament prophesy, whose role was to be their king and lead them in battle. (See Matthew 22:15-22, and Luke 20:19-26, where Jesus uses a tricky evasion to avoid actually calling for a revolt, yet stops short of actually admitting that he has no intention of supporting that revolt.)
That's makes Jesus an amateur shaman ...a true shaman would not bring us to an over ego world. My comment on Jesus this got the whole area of shamanism deleted from this forum. So there must be some truth to that effect.
No Jerami I think you are right. You come out with off the wall comments that make people think. Religion is about power, position and greed. True faith is walking in righteousness.
I must say you are more open minded than most so call Christian I've spoken to.
Do you not think, it is righteousness that has turn our world into an over ego world. Ego being the desire right to know and it also separates oneness by a sword.
Rule that are impossible to follow and punishments like hell, are far worst than the crime, a contradiction of an all loving God.
God will hold us accountable for how we treat others,but I don't believe there is any eternal hell as it contradicts the nature of God.
I don't understand your sole or soul purpose of trying to be Christ like.
When the Bible claims its universal truth and knowledge and every word is truth. As soon as you cherry pick what you like and shut out the others, its sin.
I can cherry pick the best parts from any book or from any group and incorporate it into my life and be unattached from the group and their other unethical parts.
Thank you very much! Everyone including myself needs to think off the wall more often, in order to find the limits of rational thought. Where does it become irrational??
That is not for someone else to say.
Ya gotta cross the line sometimes into the irrational in order to locate where those limits are for yourself, if we are ever to discover the never thought of before concepts, or the long forgotten ones; ...
that's what the world needs so badly, now more than ever before.
At least I think so!
All religion is based on the bible, quoran or other tomes. I don't get it when someone says they believe in a god, but not the source of the belief.
If you are religious, your beliefs had to come from at least one of them.
You said "Religions want us to believe in IT."
You mean Information Technology?
I see it kinda like being on the beach on your knees praying to your God.
All of a sudden a shadow falls upon your face so you open your eyes and look up.
A preacher is standing there and when he sees that you see him he says... "Just trust in me"!
"Tell me your problems and I will pray for you"
If we are not careful religion can eclipse the "SON"
I know little about all religions but I do believe when your religion or denomination (for lack of a better phrase) becomes who you are, you have then lost sight of the most important things.
My hope many here do not think I'm downing Christians, I may prefer a few Christian as neighbour than a few atheists ones. Do prefer the atheist humanitarian approach and you will find me in the middle of the two extremes.
The Bible warns about hell in over 162 references in the NT alone, and over 70 by the Lord Jesus Christ! Jesus talked more about hell than about heaven,” probably refers to the total number of verses devoted to the subject. The Bible, there is over 2,000 discussions on money (or finances, etc. “He spoke about money and possessions more than heaven and hell combined.”
Funny, Jesus only anger over money marketer
The New Testament did not replace the Old. The parts of the New Testament that are REAL..was to compliment the Old
Jesus was in the New Testament so How did he say that if the stones throwing was in the Old Testament.
All the other gods in line with their fraternity paddles waiting to have a go at mans nether regions eager to seer the flesh of immorality deep within their own particular hells.
I believe there is a huge misconseption of the reality of things described in holy writ when such use of the phrases "endless punishment," "endless torment," and "eternal damnation" to describe the type of punishment that will be administered to the wicked. These are not however all inclusive statements, nor do they apply to people who were reasonably good in this life but never accepted Jesus Christ as the savior while in the flesh.
There is a scripture which states that "every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God..." Rom; 14-11. It would be apparent to me that if we are to believe that our creator is a perfectly just God he most definatley would not consign 99% of his creation to endless torture. Rather the torment would be from within after receiving the knowledge of what one's potential could have been had they been faithfull.
Since both the righteous and wicked will be resurrected, there are two states that can be described as "hell" in the scriptures.
1. The temporary condition of the wicked between physical death and resurrection.
2. The never-ending state of the wicked after resurrection and judgment. Please note that this concept applies to the wicked and not nessicarily to the uninformed.
The use of the words "endless" and "eternal" indicate the nature of the punishment rather than its duration. "endless punishment" and "eternal punishment" can easily be applied to mean "God's punishment," since "endless" and "eternal" are two of God's names. Likewise, the term "eternal life" can be interpreted to mean "God's life" in the same manner.
The myth of Hell started long before the English translations.
Paul taught the underworld of Zeus to his followers
I'm most concern about the hell on earth today and OT stoning has change to nuke bombs threats as USA are the ones who have used them.
Accepted by all Christian denominations.
Most of the writings in the Old Testaments are authored by anonymous Israelites, and in many cases it is not known whether they were compiled by individuals or groups. Who wrote the NT, four evangelists and a few others.
Old Testament Hebrew Bible (the name of the OT by Jews) Who wrote the OT Hebrew and is called by people of the Jewish faith the Hebrew Bible or in Hebrew Tanakh
The idea NT was to replace the human body values of OT.
Hitler covenantal ethics doesn't think it is automatically justified to lie, if it is done to protect other people. When Hitler tried to stamp out atheist, Jew and gays, where did do you draw the line of NT or OT human body values. Was Hitler action very common perception of the OT ethics? 10 Commandments plainly get stoned to death for violating a few of these laws. Politic cross over with religion and military was first politic mix with Religion to order of western world. The other super power is Military complex where my God is better than your God goes onward today. Fight the good fight.
USA over the last 200 year history has had a major war every 20 years as it too like the Nazi wants to dominate the world. This is a manhood problem that divides the people. Luckly,the true leaders of our ethic rather than moral in human history is global public option of our consciousness.
I love it when I run into people that have done their research and profess things to be a certain way based upon their studies, and that agrees with I have been thinking all along.
The strange thing is that others seem to be saying the same thing but expressing it from a different base of research and prospective and yet, seem to argue when they meet.
When in fact their conclusions arrive at the same place.
"Beware of the Levin" it has infiltrated the scriptures.
Like weevils in the cornmeal.. if there is no other and you are hungry? You will pick the weevils out and cook cornbread.
A lot of the research comes from building historical display in museums and Theme Parks. FX work helps too, on Films. Been kick out of USA town for a display of Columbus in a pirate museum. Kick out of a country for refusing a war display and even end a topic here on this forum. In life, I can not live a lie or force my will on others. Making your Verbal peace and moving on is not like sticks and stones or bombs of harm.
You have gotten around the world I see. Me .. Just seen a little bit of life from a grass roots level.
I always liked think even when there was nothing to think about. That is after I started on the down hill side of my sexual peek. Just joking kinda lol
Well it feels like bed time ... see ya in the AM
I don't believe in Hell, but I believe a least one person has already put quite a lot of effort into thinking about your question. You may have heard of him: http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/d#a507
In Hebrew hell is the grave, the tomb. The story of Jonah says the belly of the whale was a hell (grave) for Jonah.
Yahshua was said to be in hell three days. It means he was in the tomb for three days, the grave, the place of death.
"Apostle" Paul started the underworld myth.
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (the grave)
Paul was: the "Apostle to the Gentiles wrote in Greek. Matthew and Mark were written during the time of Paul's ministry (A.D. 48) Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church.
Matthew wrote his Gospel, aligned with first-century Judaism, linked to the Jewish-Christian Gospels. Most scholars today believe that "canonical Matt was originally written in Greek by a non-eyewitness Jesus fulfilled Jewish prophecies
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