"… if I hadn't gone to a private Christian school, I'd never have built up enough animosity to want to have started a band. And now that I have one, the fact that they are giving me such resistance and publicity, they have made me far bigger than they'd ever have wanted me to have become. So I guess in a strange way the Christians have influenced me the most."
another quote from MM: "Gradually I began to resent christian school and doubt everything I had been told. The beast they lived in fear of was really themselves: it was man, not some mythological demon, that was going to destroy man in the end. And this beast had been created out of fear. The seeds of who I am had been planted."
He has just expressed his rebellion against God (whether or not the school he went to was actually a good Christian one or not).
It is he who is afraid of God (and not in a reverent way).
Afraid? Ironic, a Christian would think it is fear. And, not common sense that it's all B.S. to begin with.
Marilyn Manson is just the type of celebrity who loves to stir things up...that's where all the "B.S." comes in.
Just the type of role model I'd want for my kids...
Fine--don't believe in God--that's your prerogative, but you don't have to bash Him, either, just for the attention it brings you...maturity is a wonderful thing, MM.
Hey Tammy, no disrespect intended, but anyone with a little common sense can see right through the deception of religion, it's scripture(B.S.) and the rationale behind it.
I mean, that is if they wanted to be honest with themselves. If not, then that would be the problem of those who belief to sort out.
I have no problem with people who choose to be delusional in their beliefs, but my problem is that I choose use rationale over and above irrationality, and when people begin to spout off their beliefs about an irrational god type figure, then it needs to be put into it's place.
The "Bible" and every other piece of religious scripture has been thoroughly investigated by some of the finest minds of the world, and was debunked over 40 years ago, yet people simply refuse to face the fact it's B.S.
So please.... When people want to lay claim that the bible is indeed factual evidence of the existence of a god, all one has to do is research to find the truth.
That research will conclude that the so-called "inspired" words of a god or it's will, is nothing more than a system of control perpetuated by the educated elite of the time it was written.
I challenge every single religious person to test the so-called "inspired" words and doctrine for themselves and find out how real it is in life.
If done so, then more and more people would realize that the doctrine- and I have pointed this out before- Major 3 Doctrines of ALL- YES ALL Religions are false and couldn't have been "inspired" by any perfect being, as claimed.
WHY? Because, the original Major 3 Doctrines literally force a Human Being to go against it's own nature and are completely unhealthy.
You do not have to believe me- TEST them yourself.
Sorry, Cags, but anytime a post starts with "no disrepect intended", my guard is raised, because I just know that I'm going to be insulted, in one way or another.
Your view is just that--your view. I have a deep faith, and nothing will change that. I've had it since I was a child...and no, it's wasn't drilled into me by my parents--they were not church-goers, nor did they belong to any religion. God wasn't talked about in my house at all.
It's just always been a part of me, and it always will be. I have spent countless hours discussing God and my faith in Him with my husband. I've never known a more knowledgeable man than Tom, and he has explained many many things to me about the Bible, and his understanding of it.
I don't pretend to be as knowledgeable as he is about it--and I don't even know what "doctrines" you're talking about. What I do know is that my faith is as much a part of me as breathing--no one will change that fact of MY life.
AND--it doesn't harm a soul that I have faith in God, so why should anyone care? I don't preach at people...I only speak up when I feel the need to defend myself and my faith. I always regret it afterward, like I do this time, but I do it anyway, because I get so tired of all the folks bashing us for believing in God.
I don't call you irrational or delusional, just because I disagree with your views, so please don't call me that anymore. You don't agree with me, fine--like I said before, it's your prerogative, as well as Marilyn Manson's. I just don't see why all of you feel like you have to belittle those of us who DO have faith.
I have a lot of peace and happiness in my life, and I intend to keep on living it the way I have for 51 years now--it works for me--I've never set out once to hurt another person's feelings just because I don't believe the way that they do.
But I WILL defend myself if I feel the need, as I did this morning.
Like I said, no disrespect was intended, and I did not directly insult you. I spoke in generalized words, for religious folks.
This is where you're wrong. It's not my view. I've done the research as I said before time and again.
Well, you got it from somewhere, because to be honest, no one comes to believe in a god without other influence. If you were not influenced, then you would not have reached your faith.
You claim Tom has explained things and his understanding of it, but then you go on to say your below statement? It makes no sense, if Tom is truly knowledgeable about it.
The fact you don't know of the Doctrine is a prime example of what I am talking about to begin with.
This statement is absolutely appalling when actually thought about. A "soul"? You cannot even prove to yourself you have one. So please.
And, if you truly did have faith and understood- then regardless of what is said- You wouldn't have said anything to begin with.
If people didn't bother to pipe up about their belief then there would be no conflict.
Get your facts straight first, then we'll talk. I didn't call YOU irrational. I spoke generalized, so as to not "personally" attack you. I went out of my way to not in my statement. The fact that you see it as an attack is what occurs from the belief.
Belittle? So, now I am belittling you? How nice for you to see things that way. Irrationality isn't an insult, so please. Everyone can speak in only two manners- Rational or Irrational. And, when it comes to a belief in a god- it IS irrational
And, I'm attempting to no harm or hurt anyone, but religious people find anything that disagrees with them as a insult....so how do you suppose to get around that so it can be discussed? I guess you'll not have an answer for that, so don't bother.
If you feel the NEED to defend yourself, then you shouldn't be so sensitive. It's either that or you're trying to reinforce your faith, which isn't as whole as you say.
Either way, remember one thing- when you speak, you can only speak in two ways- Rational or Irrational.
Please don't presume that I was influenced--I wasn't, and you can believe it or not.
Do not go there--you can doubt me and what I say all you want, but NOT Tom. What he has taught me doesn't all necessarily come from the Bible, but a lot of it does--it also comes from his heart, and his own years of having a deep faith in God. But you leave him out of this--I will not listen to his beliefs being questioned, or doubted.
lol...I don't feel the need to prove anything to you, or anyone else. I believe in souls, and it just came out that way when I was typing... Sorry if you think it's appalling.
It seems to me that you are talking more about organized religion, and the beliefs that come from them--I can't defend or justify any of that, and have no desire to, and I don't follow any organized religion.
I am talking about a faith, deep within myself, that has only deepened with the years. I don't need to be "well-read", to have faith--you can make your judgements about me all that you want.
I didn't come on here to defend or debate--I don't like to do it, because I can never get my point across in the right way to people who don't believe in God. I always end up just the way I have...not being clear enough, and getting every little thing I said picked apart.
Take that how you want, but I am done here. Just know that whether we agree or not, doesn't make you right by default.
I am going back to my quiet, but wonderful life, that is full of all God's wonders and blessings. The way it's been since I was a child, and will be until the day I die.
He was so traumatised that he had (and still has) nightmares of hell, mark of the beast etc drummed into him (which is equal to abuse IMO). So at the age of 12 he tried to get himself expelled from school.
yah yah yah.. blah blah blah.. sensationalism. It is time to stop looking at other people bailey and running your life according to what they say and think. God doesnt care what marylin manson has to do with your walk. God is not going to ask you "who caused you to stumble?". Why? Because we are told to lean on Him. He will guide us through. You are leaning on people.
Christians are all at different stages of growth. Many use excuses to hide the fact they wanted to rule their own lives and did not give God a chance, but when are you ever going to hear that truth.
Perhaps MM was born roman catholic.... eeeeek! and no wonder but this has no slight on Jesus. Some religions give people neat little programs to go by.. "i was sprinkled at birth, im going to heaven", "well i am always doing good deeds".
Whatever MM says and i don't care if he claims to have seen the devil himself, it makes no difference to me, if he were here, i would tell him of jesus just like everybody else gets.
"blah blah blah" - hark who's talking!
One point I agree with you on it yes, stop let other people rule my life. I'm still detoxing from years of being in the cult of penetecostal christianity.
MM's not my cup of tea. I doubt he's a satanist. The outcasts of society "get him"; the pious are shocked by him.
I thought he had a few rather insightful things to say.
Baileybear, you always struck me as an intelligent woman, but I think this has been common knowledge for like years now, as even I could've told you this back when I was in high school about a decade ago.
yes, I'm intelligent. Unfortunately, I was permitted to think for myself for years while under the influence of pentecostal christianity. I was taught all secular music was of the devil and those like MM were satanists.
I lived in a bubble away from the real world. I've never been drunk, taken illegal drugs, been promiscious, smoked etc. However, my mind was messed up by toxic christianity.
secular music is of the devil if devil represents our fleshly ways. A lot of morals that are preached in secular music are not christianlike. The music is not inspired by God but rather composed thru the flesh.
In this way secular music is not of God. That does not mean you have to throw it all away immediately, of course this kind of music will hinder a deeper walk with God, but people get what they want out of God. Perhaps just salvation is enough. Perhaps Gods best! is intriguing... but either way, you and God will decide when and if you get rid of secular music, nobody else has a right to judge or demand you give up anything sinful, except bombing the trade towers... and maybe a few other really blatant transgressions.. but jesus said we are to love ONE ANOTHER. and that is our job to each other. My church doesn't harp on bro terry for smoking cigarettes and he's been attending for 6 yrs. Is bro terry one of the spiritual giants in the church, nope. He doesn't really know much about the bible. He's a sunday goer and thinks that fine, but he is saved and attends and thinks God is great! So be it. Good enough. We have asked him not to smoke on the church grounds lol. image yknow hahaha.
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And I don't want ya, and I don't need ya,
Don't bother to resist, or I'll beat ya,
It's not your fault that you're always wrong,
The weak ones are there, justify the strong,
The beautiful people, the beautiful people,
It's all relative to the size of your steeple,
You can't see the forest, for the trees,
And you can't smell your own sh*t
...And on your knees!
"It's all relative to the size of your steeple,
You can't see the forest, for the trees,
And you can't smell your own sh*t
...And on your knees!"
It's: you can't smell your own sh*t on your knees
It's a play on the line before it.
What he's saying here is that the bigger the steeple, AKA the more money a church has, the more credibility it has (at least that's how it is portrayed to him and I agree, it seems to be that way in America).
The saying "you can't see the forest for the trees" means that you can't see the big picture (the forest) because you are too busy focusing on the small details (the trees). And so "you can't smell your own sh!t on your knees" has to do with the same thing, sort of. People are so lost in the details that they don't see the WHOLE thing.
If you read the whole song's lyrics, it's about how a lot of Christians are hypocrits and/or missing the point. The Bible tells us how we should live our lives as good people, yet you find SO many rude, obnoxious, hating Christians (really, people in all religions are like this), and that's the big picture they're missing.
For example: the Bible says Homosexuality is a sin, so people focus on that (the tree) but the big picture (the forest) is that we should love everyone regardless, because God sorts everyone out in the end and we should "love thy neighbor".
Manson hasn't been relevant since the 90's. He's a washed up has-been shock rocker. Nothing he says is worth any credibility. This is what shock rockers do, shocking things to get attention.
I own his book and have read it multiple times and it really gives some good insight about how/why he is this way.
You should read it before passing any judgement of your own.
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