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Christians and the Turkey Isn’t it just another Idol...

  1. Sundaymoments profile image83
    Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago

    You know I hear these hard care Christians who say you are not suppose to have an idol before God (In which I agree with) but isn’t by making a b9ig deal out of Thanks Giving having an idol? What Christian biblical significance is this holiday (I.e. Christmas=Christ Birthday, Easter=Christ Resurrection). If this is not a Christian holiday are we not on a fine line of putting another before God?

    1. KristenGrace profile image60
      KristenGraceposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm a Christian, but I don't "idolize" turkeys - Just eat them smile

      1. Sundaymoments profile image83
        Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        and they sure are good arent they! : )

    2. kerryg profile image86
      kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So Christians should only celebrate holidays relating directly to Christianity now?

      Thanksgiving is like the Fourth of July. It celebrates our national heritage as Americans. It has nothing to do with idolatry.

      1. KristenGrace profile image60
        KristenGraceposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yup yup - Well said.

    3. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Best Christian thread ever???????????

      I think so.......................... lol

    4. couturepopcafe profile image61
      couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sunday - you're way off base.  Thanksgiving is not inherently a Christian holiday.  It is an American holiday.  There is nothing sacriligious about giving thanks.

      1. Greek One profile image80
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's a Canadian holiday.. we celebrate it a full month earlier than the folks down south

        smile

        1. Disappearinghead profile image87
          Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          In the UK we don't celebrate this at all....so I guess we are just plain ungrateful..smile

      2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        couturepopcafe, I agree. smile

      3. Sundaymoments profile image83
        Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        After reading this thread I too agree smile

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      ShadowKing!posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      To SundayMoments:

      One can celebrate Thanksgiving and not be committing an act of idolatry (according to the definitions of idolatry in the Bible). But the point were some people get wrong is when they say and believe it is an event created to WORSHIP  God and thus we do. Wrong.

      Like CouturePopCafe wrote: it's an American holiday, not a religious one.
      Thanksgiving should be observed (by those who chose to) for exactly what it was originally intended:
          to give THANKS to God and man for helping us OVERCOME a hardship.

      Any other additions will likely steer one off into vanity, blasphemy, or, yes-idolatry.

  2. manlypoetryman profile image74
    manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago

    Whatever Sundaymoments....HHHHMMMM...I think I spotted a real Turkey!

    1. Sundaymoments profile image83
      Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Did you? Or are just harassing on Hub Pages (Please remember manypoetryman there are rules on HP)

      •Making Personal Attacks: debate and disagreements on points of substance are all right, but personal attacks, petty bickering, and thread hijacking will be dealt with swiftly.

      1. manlypoetryman profile image74
        manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Leave it to you to point out legalisms...which is in itself very ironic. Quit hiding behind legalisms. God sees you where you are at! Hub pages doesn't need to referee answers to comments that you openly ask a reply back on. Answers can be interpreted in a variety of ways, my friend. Unless one knows all the facts behind the answers.

        1. Sundaymoments profile image83
          Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yep u said one thing that is factual "All the facts" not just part of the facts!

          1. manlypoetryman profile image74
            manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            EEEEWWW...You're so gosh-darn smart...I just don't know how to form a rebuttal against thee!

    2. Sundaymoments profile image83
      Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Did you spot a real turkey? Or are just harassing on Hub Pages (Please remember manypoetryman there are rules on HP)

      •Making Personal Attacks: debate and disagreements on points of substance are all right, but personal attacks, petty bickering, and thread hijacking will be dealt with swiftly.

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        china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Rules are for the guidance of wise men and mindless adherence by turkeys.

        1. Sundaymoments profile image83
          Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks china man you words are writen with much wisdom

  3. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    It has always been a custom that after a hard summers end and the harvest has been collected and stored that the family and friends gathered together possibly the last time before the cold hard winter set in. 
       They probably compared who's' potato crop, corn, beans etc  was abundant and who's was lacking; and necessary adjustments were made to ensure everyone's survival.

       Though we are not all farmers, it seems like a worthy tradition to remember and carry on.
       It isn't based upon idolatry, but loving and sharing.
       
       Any excuse for family and friends to gather together and be thankful for eachother is a good thing.

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yep it certainly is based on kristian loving and sharing.

      I understand that it was adopted from the native Indians who helped the first settlers through the first winter, feeding them and teaching them how to farm etc.  It was thanksgiving for surviving and it was the very native Indians who kept them alive that those same kristian settlers later slaughtered.

      I guess it is a kristian tradition then.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        YEP   we can say adopted or we could say stolen.

           I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't somewhat followed all over every region and for 1000s of years.
           But now it is OURS.  LOL

        1. couturepopcafe profile image61
          couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't think it was.  It was an initial shared meal between the two cultures showing mutual respect and thanks for the protection they provided for each other against more aggressive tribes in the region.  They had come to trust and rely on each other for this.  Many people groups gave thanks to their creator over meals.  To say this was stolen from indigenous people is incorrect.

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I was only saying that for people to gather together after the laborious task of harvesting their crops to celebrate their success probably goes back long before any records of such events.

               It wasn't stolen from anyone.  But to claim the origin of this tradition could very well be incorrect.

              I gotta get off of here for a while, go check out a job ?

    2. Sundaymoments profile image83
      Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      But one thing is for sure I  bet  many of us can say is we all get full after a festive dinner with the family

  4. Greek One profile image80
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Turkeys are known pagans.

    By riding them from the earth through the digestive process, we are doing a good deed.

    I myself estimate that I have purified our planet by consuming 100 to 200 whole turkeys throughout my life.

    Don't even get me started on satanic gravy and other heretical side dishes

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Heathen!

      1. Greek One profile image80
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        one man's heathen is another metabolic saint

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Or Sunday lunch. wink

    2. Sundaymoments profile image83
      Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL

  5. Onusonus profile image86
    Onusonusposted 6 years ago

    All bow to it's majesty!!
    http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/5089792/2/istockphoto_5089792-turkey-statue.jpg

  6. couturepopcafe profile image61
    couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago

    Sometimes I think the world is full of idiots.

  7. Woman Of Courage profile image61
    Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago

    God is first in my life. I don't idolize a turkey. smile

    1. Sundaymoments profile image83
      Sundaymomentsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Woman Of Courage you are so right God First always smile

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't idolize a turkey too.

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I guess that is what the turkeys say to each other about the butcher !

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I love what the turkey dose for me, I do not love the turkey. Trying to do away from meat all together and don't worship the butcher.

        That way, I can love the turkey more, maybe later love the chicken. I don't know about the cries of the screaming lettuce.

  8. Deborah Demander profile image91
    Deborah Demanderposted 6 years ago

    If we were worshipping and idolizing turkeys, would we eat them? I think we would revere them and take care of them.

    It's true, gathering together at the end of summer, to celebrate a successful harvest, is a human response to survival. Nothing to do with christianity really. We should all be thankful everyday, regardless of race, religion or creed.
    Namaste.

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Absolutely,  it was a custom that the settlers adopted from the native indians who kept the settlers alive through that first winter.  Who knows how far back it went in their culture before it was destroyed ?

 
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