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God exists in the Cross Hairs of Perceptions

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    luabuposted 6 years ago

    The first step to understanding is looking.
    I have targeted a place where god exists.
    Focus and tell us what you see.

    1. pennyofheaven profile image78
      pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't get it? Is this a trick question?

      1. spookyfox profile image80
        spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's not even a question.

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          luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hi spookyfox
          it's a request,an invitation,a challenge,a plea.....

          Welcome

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        luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        this is not a trick question pennyofheaven
        inspired by the hub prove you exist
        tricks are for clowns
        Welcome

        1. pennyofheaven profile image78
          pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ok cool! Why the cross hairs and not beyond the cross hairs, before the cross hairs as well? Are you meaning our understanding of or communication with God?

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            luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Focus and tell us what you see

            1. pennyofheaven profile image78
              pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Filters like rays of sunlight coming through a passing cloud.

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      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I would agree that god only exists in ones perception. smile

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        luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hi Beelzedad

        getting you to agree that god exists is my finest achievement to date
        he is a  conceptual being  /castlepaloma told me so
        we both accept his existence but only as a figment of people's imagination
        i'm i getting this right

        1. pennyofheaven profile image78
          pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          But God hates figs the Phelps said! Imagination is good!

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            luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            hi  pennyofheaven what on earth is a phelp 
            it's mentioned on the forum but i honestly don't know what they are
            figs?

            1. pennyofheaven profile image78
              pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry luabu I was joking. On that Phelps thread there is an article that said God hates figs. And your fig-ment bought it to mind. Phelps are a family in a babtist church that protest in the most unusual of places like funerals.

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                luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                thanks pennyof heaven
                they sound like my kinda people
                maybe i'll introduce myself to them

        2. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I would agree with anyone who said gods exist within their perceptions. Gods don't exist anywhere else, though. smile

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            luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            there is a quantifiable phenomena here with measurable characteristics


            gods exist in perceptions

            god as a meaurable identifiable single object exists in the cross hairs of these perceptions

            we are all looking at the same thing at the same spot

            QED  it   is there     it exists

            now we need to study it and see what we have been looking at
            i'd love your opinion on this
            luabu

            1. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Then, show me those "quantifiable and measurable characteristics"




              Yes, the perceptions of reality induced from religious myths.



              LOL! I still see reality, but it appears quite void of gods.

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                luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, the perceptions of reality induced from religious myths.

                a bit like what happens arb further down this hub/have a look




                also what is making people see a god
                i have it  cornered and in our sights/we all agree that it is there/now what is it
                luabu

                1. Beelzedad profile image60
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  So, no "quantifiable phenomena with measurable characteristics" are forthcoming?




                  Figments of ones imagination. smile

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                    luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    i'll be on this tomorrow Beelzedad/info forthcoming

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                    luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    this thread has me thinking at a very deep level
                    i knew i had something to do Beelzedad and i honestly forgot
                    quantifiable phenomena with measurable characteristics
                    in the oven as we speak  apologies

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                    luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    There seems to be a common subconsious perception of( a God being ) among humans which is real and quantifiable.I personally suspect that all living things have this in their own way.It is an intrinsic part of being alive.
                    People feel an external warmth,a light,a radiance,a love,something beautiful....etc
                    They have a desire to approach this thing.They call it God.
                    Suggesting that this phenomena does not occour is as proposterous and wishful as stating that you or I know anything about it.

                    Beelzeedad:thousands of people rushing into a shop suggests that there is something of value in the shop:Deep within humans there is a God thing.

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                luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Beelzedad :you wrote.....
                I  would agree with anyone who said gods exist

                within their perceptions. Gods don't exist

                anywhere else, though.....Yes, the perceptions of reality induced from religious myths.....Figments of ones imagination
                .

                My research based on the small sample used in

                this thread is sketchy but revealing never the

                less.
                You agree that Gods exist in perceptions....
                when you looked yourself you reported back to

                us....you said
                I still see reality, but it appears quite void of

                gods.
                I don't think you looked?
                No description of the reality you saw.
                I wouldn't say for example
                I saw Dublin but it appears quite void of laughter.
                Would that not be a very subjective thing to say

                and would it not suggest that I hadn't really

                checked the place out.
                There are things here
                one guy saw a diamond
                another saw love
                another saw light
                arb was nearly blinded

                Don't be afraid of what you might see Beelzeedad
                Take a better look /what does this reality of
                yours really look like/don't just tell us what it
                hasn't got/we've figured their are no God's in
                your perception/perceptions
                How real is your reality to you/
                Focus and tell us what you see.

                1. Beelzedad profile image60
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Sure I did, I look at reality ever waking moment of my life.



                  Why should I be afraid of looking at reality, there is nothing else to look at.



                  Perhaps, I'm not getting through... I see reality with clarity and focus, it is completely devoid of gods. If anyone claims to see gods, they should seek professional help. smile

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                    luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Why should I be afraid of looking at reality, there is nothing else to look at
                    that is what you said

                    Beelzeedad
                                          please apply your logic to this


                    when you look at reality do you see love

                    if you do /how is it measurable and quantifiable
                    is love real

                    if it is then this thing we are talking about God  is real and exists
                    it is a human phenomena just like love
                    if you do not see love in reality then i respect your viewpoint and concede the logic of this discussion
                    Thanks for your previous answers and looking forward to your post on this .

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Recap of thread for those just home from work


      Filters like rays of sunlight coming through a passing cloud-pennyofheaven

      I am for once, momentarily, intrinsically exposed. It was not me searching the scope. It was He.-Arb

      I would agree that god only exists in ones perception Beelzedad

      everybody is my brother in humanity and I love them all.Paarsurrey

      Too funny!    Thank you for the laughter. I've not laughed all day until this moment.   Cagsil

      We're going along nicely

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      Reachingoutposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lets take a look at this article it will help us in our perception -  http://hubpages.com/hub/The-being-Called-man

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    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Too funny! lol lol lol Thank you for the laughter. I've not laughed all day until this moment. lol lol lol

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Cagsil
      ..................just a little bit closer...

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The Creator-God has many attributes; two of which are relevant here; the  first of the two is that He is az-zahir- evident of the most evident and the second is that He is al-batin- He is hidden from the most hidden;  one cannot perceive Him unless He Himself comes near to the focus of our eye or inner-eye:

    [6:104] Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware.
    http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=103

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks Paarsurrey for your comment

      az-zahir- evident of the most evident

      al-batin- He is hidden from the most hidden

      is it that he decides whether you see him or not?

      is this stuff explainable to me?

      like evident of the most evident/take this

      like /big of the largest/

      what does big of the largest mean to you?

      I really really don't understand this

      Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes.

      --is this like /he'll tuck you in when you have your homework done/kinda like a father/like he's definately male/yeah?
      He's incomprehensible but definately male/I think i'm getting it.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    One can only reach Him or know Him under the principles and methods He has set for us to know him as He is out of our reach in this sense that our methods fall short of that dimension. We cannot reach Him through our own faulty devised methods. He has created everything with such precision and set it on an automatic mode that apparently it seems that it needs nothing from outside to run.

    Here comes the need of Word of Revelation from Him.

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hi paarsurrey

      You believe in your journey and you have methods and principles to get there.

      Sounds like a plan to me.

      Focus and tell us what you see.

      it's a god we can't understand,quantify,imagine or describe in a way that anyone has yet devised

      i think you believe in an omnipotent god same as most religous people

      there is logically only room for one of these /that means sharing

      unless there is a dimensional hierarchy among omnipotent gods
      kinda like /one on first floor /top floor etc

      think about this point please

      you have no tangible quantifiable human evidence about your god but yet you know enough to dismiss other peoples gods as false gods.Maybe there are sub gods.

      religous people could haggle over real estate in this not world sphere

      i'll take it you can't see anything because it is unseeable.

      Thanks for your contribution
      You tried to explain it to me (commendable and generous) but i just don't get it

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes; we can't ourselves understand, quantify, imagine or describe the Creator-God Allah YHWH; yet he comes near us and we can know of him from His attributes manifest in the Universe and the Life.

        Here comes the need of Word of Revelation from Him.

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          luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It's a belief in an omnipotent creator god.
          Take your pick from the top shelf.
          I like your idea that the creator god is tangible in the created world/like it being a him/ at least it's earthed which is always a good thing for tall buildings
          nice to chat
          thomas

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Word of Revelation guides us to the tools of ethical, moral and spiritual realms to know of the Creator-God Allah YHWH from his attributes.

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              luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I've run out of paint balls paarsurrey
              May your God go with you.

  5. arb profile image80
    arbposted 6 years ago

    The cross hairs are interesting as is your question. A first take (obviously from my own experience with scopes)prompts me to make adjustments to both the horizontal and vertical lineation. If not adjusted properly for the intended range I miss the target. I like the illusion of the scope, same scope, many adjustments, from many people result in various targets being struck.
    As I make adjustments by focusing and counter focusing, I come to a place where I am simply blinded, for my feeble attempt can not penetrate the returning gaze. I am for once, momentarily, intrinsically exposed. It was not me searching the scope. It was He.

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God I love you arb
      Welcome to this thread
      Every hub needs and arb /Hang in here please

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        arbposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Every hub needs a luabu less I have nothing to respond too and consequently, I would miss being loved!

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The Creator -God Allah YHWH is Omnipresent with his attributes in all realms; physical, moral and spiritual ones; created by Him. He does not claim that he exists in the physical realm bodily; so if a pseudo-Scientist claims that he has not seen Him anywhere in the Universe; he in a sense expresses that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does exist but he has used the wrong tools; or his tools are faulty.

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Parrasurry
      Nothing left except real bullets
      I was keeping them for Cagsil the cat
      A lesson in endangered species so to speak
      Beelzedad /good to see you.       

      parrasurry
      here's the thing/

      This how omnipotent Gods go down
      They're like toys at Christmas
      Action men figures usually
      Jingle All The Way
      Everyone kinda wants them.
      Entrepreneurs perceive a need.
      They become the shopkeeper
      They escalate the cost of aquisition
      They import cheap immitations
      They become very very powerful
      They go global
      Luabu warning
      Don't buy one.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't want any bullets; just expressing what I sincerely believe to be true; everybody is my brother in humanity and I love them all.

        I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.

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          luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          at last paarsurrey
          you finally focused and told us what you saw
          well done

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks for your appreciation.

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              luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Anyone else want to take a shot at this.

  7. Joy56 profile image60
    Joy56posted 6 years ago

    r they awake now???? Are you taking the piss

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      joy56    absolutely serious at reaching a conclusion here
                   great input from hubbers to date
                  focus and tell us what you see
                   hard subject/.are you up to it?

      1. Joy56 profile image60
        Joy56posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        oh yeah up to it alright

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The Creator -God Allah YHWH is Omnipresent with his attributes in all realms; physical, moral and spiritual ones; created by Him. He does not claim that he exists in the physical realm bodily .

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      you are making sense now paarsurrey

      you me and beelzedad singing from the same hymn sheet(joke)

      its a miracle
      well done

  9. OpinionDuck profile image60
    OpinionDuckposted 6 years ago

    Perceptions inspires all sorts of visions.

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      thanks for calling
      want to take a look in the cross hairs of perceptions and offer up what you see

      1. dragonrainsd13 profile image62
        dragonrainsd13posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "god" is a multifaceted diamond we all see 'it' differently, the path we walk is toward the same goal, just some are more aggressive then others.Some are more pushy. "god" is neither male nor female there is no gender it is just easier to give gender to understand. no book from ANY spiritual path is the only right answer period.

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          luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          great input dragonrainsd13
          a diamond is what you saw
          this gives us all a great object to attach our perceptions to
          that's brilliant

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        OpinionDuckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am off my meds , I don't see anything right now.

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          luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          no problem
          have another quack at it tomorrow
          luabu

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Focus and tell us what you see?
      anything happening in that bird brain of yours Opinion Duck or is it all seeds and corn?
      Luabu

  10. Joy56 profile image60
    Joy56posted 6 years ago

    This is breath taking stuff, i am learning so much.

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      thats what happens when you mix minds together Joy56

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    luabuposted 6 years ago

    Hi all
               guesss who's back

    i've been locked in a closet up top with beelzeedad
    one of those replies spots where hubbers go when they are backed into a hole

    i wanted an answer to this question and pushed the point without success

        Beelzeedad when you look at your reality, do you see love?

    beelzeedad has no confidence in my producing a quantifiable measurable god for him
    this conversation is back out in the light for all to read
    worth a visit to the top press if you want to take sides
    luabu

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    The Creator -God Allah YHWH is Omnipresent with his attributes in all realms; physical, moral and spiritual ones; created by Him. He does not claim that he exists in the physical realm bodily .

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It appears your god does not understand the word "omnipresent." Your contradictions grow with every utterance. lol

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        luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hi mark chipping in here
        met you at the top of this
        the more i engage with paarsurrey the more sense he makes
        listen to what he says and you just might get it

  13. lightning john profile image60
    lightning johnposted 6 years ago

    I definetley know where God and Jesus are!

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hi lightning
      i'm thinking of starting a new thread on this probably sunday
      want to keep your powder dry until then as i would love you to contribute then/or just tell us anyway Hi from Luabu

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        lightning johnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I never got into the pwder stuff!

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    luabuposted 6 years ago

    Beelzeedad and Luabu conversation extract/in replies upstairs
    Luabu
    When you look at your reality, do you see love?
    Beelzeedad
    Don't you think that it would be much easier to just say you have nothing quantifiable or

    measurable rather then trying to squirm out of it by turning it on me?
    Luabu
    If you cannot answer this question in any way Beelzedad,i feel that you are not really being open

    and frank about your real beliefs.This would be a surprise to me as it would seem that you had

    suddenly become your own version of a fundamentalist religion
    .............ie  i see what i see and thats whats there
    Beelzeedad
    I'm almost sure you'll just dance around waving your arms rather than producing anything

    quantifiable, or you'll just keep asking the same question as if it were my job to do your

    homework.
    Luabu
    I feel this was an important conversation and I would like opinion on same if possible


    Luabu

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      When you look at reality,do you see Love?

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    lightning johnposted 6 years ago

    They are in Jail!    Or at least thats where every murderer or rapist or other scumm bag finds them.

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yes /you are right lightning john
      jesus and god are in jail
      luabu

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        lightning johnposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And it is truly amazing!

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    luabuposted 6 years ago

    This is such an easy question.

    when you look at your reality do you see love?

    Three people here with me at the moment

    we all said Yes?

    1. pennyofheaven profile image78
      pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I guess it depends on where one looks luabu. If one only sees the weeds in the garden it is a real shame.

 
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