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Why do creationists tell such outrageous LIES to attack evolution?

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    Baileybearposted 5 years ago

    The bible says not to lie.  Why aren't they following the bible?  Why do they feel the need to defend God?  Or is it really defending their very narrow worldview?

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      by the way, evolution doesn't directly attack god anyway

      1. jantamaya profile image85
        jantamayaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, this is true. As a kid I told myself, God made the world in seven days but who tells us how long His days were? Maybe His day does have a duration of million years... Do we know it? In the Bible nobody tells us the details.By the way time is relative.

    2. pennyofheaven profile image82
      pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Is attacking going to change the way evolution works? If not then what's the problem?

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        just annoys me how hypocritical they are, and also confuse people to in order to suck them into religion

        1. pennyofheaven profile image82
          pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh ok.

        2. Davidsonofjesie profile image60
          Davidsonofjesieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          evolution was invented to confuse people and try to do away with GOD

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Then tell us why scientists would go to so much trouble to make all of it up.  And how this great conspiracy has been passed on on to every scientist in the world.  How are they all made to lie about this and who is making them do so.

            Can't wait for your detailed answer.

            1. Davidsonofjesie profile image60
              Davidsonofjesieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Its there life work,they make alot of money from this,there collages make alot of money!why should they teach something they cant prove?I know they have alot of big words that make them sound smart,but its all B.S         P.S darwiw was a christian til his little girl got sick and he prayed and ask God to heal her and she died,and then came the big lie

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Who pays them money to lie about evolution?  I want facts, not just your opinion.  Can you back up your words with facts, or do you indeed fit the title of this thread. 

                If the scientists knew creation was true, wouldn't they be afraid to lie about god's work?  If they knew creation was true, then this would mean they believed in god.

                So, who is paying them dude?  Give me some facts or else you are full of BS and just telling lies for Jesus like this thread is talking about.  And the Darwin BS you posted has been proven false so many times only the uneducated still believe it.

                1. russelldansmith profile image61
                  russelldansmithposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Scientists get their money from universities and federal grants.  I know this from having worked at Washington University in St. Louis, MO.  Now there is an interesting fact that goes with this.  The money is based on past results or--if an unproveable (note that word) theory--the best argument thereon.  Remember, Dr. Josef Mengele committed his horrible acts on prisoners in Hitler's Germany  by the same standard.  How did he keep the money coming in?  The same way they do today, by falsifying this or that point.  Why do you think that there are so many medicines being pulled off the shelves these days?
                  Because scientists' careers depended on them when they were approved.  I think I have far more experience in academia than you folks do.  Thank goodness, I live in the United States of America, where I can express any opinion--no matter how crazy YOU may think it is--without any expectation of being ridiculed, like you have done to me from word one.

                  1. ediggity profile image61
                    ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    It's sad how people blindly follow science without knowing the complete motivation for results.sad

                  2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, your experience in academia apparently didn't affect your knowledge to any great extent.  If you really think all grants for research in genetics and evolution is for a preordained result then we have nothing further to discuss.

                    I'm sure there are abuses in the system, there always are, but to promote a conspiracy of the magnitude you are suggesting is really sad.  Who controls the worlds best scientists?  Who is making up all of the evolutionary data, some even laymen may understand?

                    Give us names of immensely rich backers so intent on keeping Creation secret.

            2. pennyofheaven profile image82
              pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I am wondering whether it is the logic and reasoning side of the brain that dominates. You need that to describe what is happening in the creative side of the brain. So perhaps they are trying to prove what the creative process is perceiving.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Creationists or scientists?

                1. pennyofheaven profile image82
                  pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Scientists.

            3. Davidsonofjesie profile image60
              Davidsonofjesieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              A statement from Richard Lewontin one of your evo scientist - We take the side of science in spite of patent absurdity of some of its constructs,in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life,and in spite of the tolerance of the scientific commuinty for unsubstaintiated justo-stroies,because we have pryor commintment,a commintment to materialism.It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world,but,on the contrary,that we are forced by our priori adherance to material causes to create an apparatus of investagation and a set of concepts that produse material explanations,no matter how counterintuitive,no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated.Moreover,that materialism is an absolute,for we cannot allow a devine foot in the door !!!

              1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
                Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Great Come Back !  I wish to Hell I knew what it meant ! I've tried to read it twice and it makes even less sense the second time.

                You really do need to expand the literature you read, no one here is saying sciece has all the answers, to say so would be absurd given that we strive only to seek answers to things we do not know.

                The study of Evolution is only one small branch of Natural science and like all things cannot be looked at in isolation.

                Instead of seeking ways to belittle science and things you know little about why not open your mind to the wonders it has already created and the answers it seeks to questions way beyond our comprehension.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Allow me to translate.

                  "Faith-based beliefs are bad.
                  Science is a faith-based belief.
                  Therefore science is bad and is lies."

                  1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
                    Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Mark you must get a better brand of Christmas Crackers !

                2. Davidsonofjesie profile image60
                  Davidsonofjesieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  no matter what the facts say they are going preach evolution and keep creation out! And no matter what you think I do not hate science,much of science is good and helps us out in many ways , but if facts dont fit throw them out !

                  1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
                    Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I will suggest to you as I suggested on this thread earlier on, pop into YouTube and look up David Attenborough, doesn't matter which link you pick some of his latest documentaries on Life are extremely good.

                    Just listen, don't judge, just watch and listen if that what you call preaching then there really is no hope for you.

                    A gentler more sincere teacher you will not find, he doesn't preach he explains, his mission is one of peace all he wants to do is educate in an attempt to save the life on this planet...all of it.

                    If trying to understand the Evolution of life and by so doing  saving it is in your book a crime or a sin against your God then I guess I have no more to say to you or the rest of your denial buddies.

        3. Davidsonofjesie profile image60
          Davidsonofjesieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          you say creationist lie to attack evolution,what about all the lies evolutionist come up with to attack God,here are 6 {archaebraptor} {piltdown man} {lucy} {neandertal man} {java man} {orce man} and many many more

          1. getitrite profile image81
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Somehow, I think I would rather trust the scientist's objective finding, that have gone through peer review, rather than except your findings, which is based on Goddunnit, and nonsensical conclusions...and ultimately spouted from the mouths of the obviously unlearned of the population.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Love those stupid creation sites, don't you?  Where are you from, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, or somewhere else in the Bible Belt?

            1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
              Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Excuse my ignorance but are you saying the Bible Belt is a Place ?

              All these years I was under the impression that it was something they wore to prevent their brains falling out of their backside !

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Unfortunately yes Merlin, a place of ignorance for most who live there, as proven by the creationists who are indoctrinated from a very young age into a variety of close minded churches.  You can see for yourself how adamantly they refuse to recognize proven facts because their preachers tell them to.

                Take Roy and David for example.  Neither of them are able to post without a plethora of grammatical and spelling mistakes in their statements but presume to be taken seriously by those who know better.

                They go to these laughable Creation sites and fully accept the proven wrong quotes from those who work for the sites.  They make creationists look so ignorant there is never any chance they will ever be taken seriously by anyone who understands science.

                The belt is what they beat those with who do not agree with their primitive nonsense.  I should know, I've lived among these ignorant folks all of my life.  Imagine how frustrating this is to knowledgeable people.  smile

                1. Davidsonofjesie profile image60
                  Davidsonofjesieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  you boys need a chill pill,everyone of you evos start with the name calling everytime

                  1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
                    Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Not sure you would rcognise a sense of humour if it bit you on the Butt !

                  2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Point out the name I called you, Roy.  Why do you have a problem telling the truth?  Does your religion teach you that telling the truth is bad?

        4. luv2wander profile image60
          luv2wanderposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          i myself would not suck one into religion while yet all of our highly profound sceintist are not able to solidify their belief in evolution first it was a ape then a fish a germ a asteroid a star whats next when the simplicity of it all is God created man

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Are you sure you weren't first?  Your speech seems rather rudimentary!

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Poor oppressed Darwin; God's telling lies about him.  We should dig up his grave and make a statue outta the dust of his bones and fall down and worship such a wise man.  roll

      1. pisean282311 profile image57
        pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        and how would that help?...after all nature does not demand to be worshiped nor do dead ones...

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          Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I was being sarcastic.

          You're right, nature doesn't demand to be worshipped, and neither do dead people.  But many people DO worship those.  Go figure.

          From Catholicism (which many sects worship a dead woman) to athiesm (which many sects worship the earth) to "new-agers" who worship themselves, to Islam (which worships a poor imitation of God) to a myriad of religions and ideas that worship everything but the true God.

          1. Pcunix profile image92
            Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Atheists don't worship anything.

            There are some nutty Gaia folks, but they are not atheists.  They are just another kind of theist, just like you.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I think they do.
              I think they worship that thirst for knowledge, a knowledge unattainable by anyone until death hits.

              1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
                Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Since when was a search for knowledge Worship ?

                Surely a search for knowledge is merely a search for enlightenment and truth....

                You are right that it is something we do, or should do, until death.  Any day I do not think or challenge myself is a day wasted.  Any day I fail to learn something new is an opportunity lost.

                If as you suspect we will continue this search beyond death then I will embrace that challenge if and when it comes.

                But please forgive us who will fill our days in achieving all we can from those who wish to teach.

              2. Pcunix profile image92
                Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I think you need a better dictionary.

              3. Beelzedad profile image62
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                So, essentially you are saying that we prefer to learn things and you don't. Doesn't that say more about you and not us? smile

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  No.  What I'm saying is that you seek knowledge, the knowledge that Christians already have, and you seek it through the wrong means.

                  1 Corinthians 1: 21, 22:

                  "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knows not God,  it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

                  For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom."

                  You are like the Greeks who seek wisdom through tangible facts, while the Truth is right under your noses and you dare not look at it for fear you'll be labeled one of those "foolish" ones.

                  1. Pcunix profile image92
                    Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Really?  Your god told us about germs, computers, algebra, trigonometry and so on and so on?

                    Christianity provided some history and some myths. No knowledge.

                  2. Beelzedad profile image62
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    That's very funny, Brenda. LOL! But, I do understand how believers equate 'knowledge' to the myths and superstitions they embrace.



                    So sorry that you have been labeled "foolish" for your beliefs, Brenda. But, when you reject tangible facts for myths and superstitions, the proof is in the putting. smile

                  3. thisisoli profile image66
                    thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    What truth? The bible offers no knowledge, at best it can be said to be a collection of rather obvious moral values.

                  4. couturepopcafe profile image59
                    couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    When the Bible talks about knowledge, it is reference to knowing the spirit.  When it talks about wisdom, it is referring to self righteousness.  Book learning is not part of the mix.  Here is my comparison of how the Bible is trying to tell us we are part of the collective consciousness.

                    1 Cor 2: 11-16 "For what man knows the things of man except for the spirit of man within him?  We have received the spirit which is of God...comparing spiritual things to spiritual things.  But we have the mind of Christ."

                    So, Christ is one with the Father.  We have the mind of Christ.   We are made not only in the image of God (physical) but in the likeness (personality, spirit, etc.)  We can therefore strive to remember what it is like to be as God. 

                    1 Cor 4:18  "Let no man deceive himself.  If any seem wise, let him become a fool, that he may be wise."

                    This is the beginning of consciousness appearing in the mind as intellect.  An 'intellectual' might 'forget' spirit so we must lose the illusion of substance at which point we gain non-attachment and therefore a purified non-argumentative mind.  On attaining purity there is the flow of spritual consciousness.  The wisdom obtained in this higher state is different than that attained by inference. 

                    However...habitual patterns of thought stand in the way of this austerity.  Some of us call it nature, while others call it god.

            2. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
              Vladimir Uhriposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Atheists worship the matter. But it is not worship, but it is belief system which qualify for religion.  Actually is registered as the religion.

              1. psycheskinner profile image80
                psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Athist don't worhsip anything.  A religio-centric world requires it be recognised in that category for atheists to have normal human rights--so we did.

            3. tonzofkids profile image61
              tonzofkidsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Everybody worships something, money, status, education,  just because they don't realize they are "worshiping" it doesn't mean they aren't.  Whatever you esteem above all else is your God.  Some who worship the one true God really worship their time on their boat more.  If more true believers truely believed, there'd be less atheists because others would see God living and working in their lives, instead they hear that God is present but only see someone just like them.

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            Sophia Angeliqueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That's funny. Atheists worship the earth? I am an atheist and everybody in my family are atheists. And, mostly, the people I associate with are atheists. As yet, I don't know of anyone worshipping the earth. We actually do not worship anything or anyone.

            We try to live as ethically as we can because we are mostly humanists. This does not mean we worship human beings. This means we think that there is no god to hep us, so if we want to sort things out on this planet then we better be kind to other humans and do the best we can collectlvely to make this a good place to live...

            1. thisisoli profile image66
              thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Worshipping the earth is nto atheism.

          3. lucieanne profile image81
            lucieanneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The Earth is not dead anyway, so whats wrong with worshipping it? It sustains all our lives, with the help of the sun and the climate.

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          now you'd kick up a stink if we swapped Darwin for Jesus

        3. The Demon Writer profile image72
          The Demon Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          This actually made me laugh. I must agree that Darwin is more deserving of  my worship than 'god'. But for now I think I'll leave him in his grave.

          1. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
            Vladimir Uhriposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The Demon Writer: Oh, you like to worship dead, I see.

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        AKA Winstonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        At their heart, religions are about control.  In order to control, one must limit critical thinking.  The entire purpose of the ID/Creationist movement is not to elevate ID to the level of a science, but to diminish science to the status of "just another belief system". 

        If the Discovery Institute and their Creationists cohorts can succeed in relegating science to the level of belief, there is no longer a reason that ID/Creationism cannot be taught on equal footing in classrooms.

        It's pretty sick and twisted logic.

        1. kschang profile image90
          kschangposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Good point. Religion in general is a form of behavior and social control. Christians have the "Ten Commandments". Muslims have their edicts of what is halal and what is haram. Jews have kosher and not kosher. Even Buddhists have "don't kill life" and such edicts.

          Most of the problem is about the fact that science is not something they can control. Science does NOT require the almighty being(s) to be present to explain everything, or in fact, anything. It doesn't help that Atheists have borrowed Darwin's banner and use it somehow to "prove" that God does not exist. (Darwin himself never said such a thing)  As a result, Creationists became directly opposed to Evolutionists.

          I recommend Michael Shermer's book "Why People Believe in Weird Things", where he discussed in detail the reasonings of Creationists (or as he called them, Evolution-Deniers), their similarity to Holocaust Deniers, and a short history of both and how to spot problems in their arguments.

          1. hanging out profile image61
            hanging outposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            i wouldnt mind hearing some of the 'problems in their arguments'. It sounds fascinating.

        2. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
          Vladimir Uhriposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Aka Winston, it is communists who promote Darwinism. The same time Marx, Hitler all saluted to Darwin. They want control, power and money.

        3. hanging out profile image61
          hanging outposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          i dont think religion is about control perhaps in the past when we look at what catholicism did but today.. i don't see my church running for govenor or trying to get mass followings to declare a private state. I don't even see my church trying to control me.
          I do not believe the bible was created for control purposes i believe the people of the bible had a genuine relationship with God and the more i read the bible and i see its depths of knowledge i am persuaded that it is not a work of man but of God.
          You people who worry about control should really be looking at the institutions of control that are touchable in the world, govs, police, even up to the United nations. There are many more tangible oppressions in the world than God. Ye are all too superstitious.

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Here's another lie that turned up on the comments of my hub, Darwin, The Man who killed god.  The lie was:  "Jim Jones turned people to become atheist!"  LOL

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        Jake Gene Barnesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Because the facts are not on their side.

        They have to distort the truth in order to have an argument. Not that it holds any weight with those of us who know better, but they may confuse or mislead people who are not educated on the subject.

        The only reason I debate creationists or Intelligent Design theorists is to help promote understanding, and maybe set one or two people straight in the process.

        Creationism and ID are comprised - almost entirely - of assumptions (i.e. the assumption that the human eye is too complex to have come about by natural selection) and arguments from ignorance (we can't explain it, therefore, God dunnit). ID and creationism don't actually qualify as theories (they're hypothesis').

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        DianaETXposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Evolution does not exist.  No one was there to see it take place and no one today has found even one shred of evidence in all of archeology or biology or science to prove it happened.

        People believe in evolution because they want to.  They feel the need to believe in something other than there being a creator or God. 

        Since all the so called evidence has been disproved, many evolutionist are now believing we come from some ancient alien race who seeded the Earth and propagated humans.

        By the way alien is a word in the Bible for a stranger.  Now it means someone or some entity from a far flung planetary system.

        It always comes down to choice.  Your are either for God or anti-God, for Christ or anti-Christ, or you believe in some other form of cult worship.

        Definition of cult:
        1 : formal religious veneration : worship
        2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
        3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
        4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
        5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
        b : the object of such devotion
        c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

        Try looking at nature and see all the trees and flowers, see how different they are, then look at animals, what a great variety there are, and then the human.  Do you really in your mind believe they all evolved from a rock or some primordial soup?

        Maybe you need to read some anatomy and physiology books to read about the Krebs cycle or how many different things have to happen for you to see one object how many things happen within your body when you get a cut on your finger.

        There is no way I evolved from some kind of slush, everything in your body was created to interact for your good.  It even has built in obsolescence, our bodies are like a clock ticking down to stillness because it cannot be rewound.

        The Great Creator of the Bible who is Jesus can rewind your clock and give you a new body that will last eternally.  It takes a conviction that you are a sinner and a confession you believe Jesus lived the perfect sinless, blameless life, that He died for your sins and you believe in Him.

        How simple is that to believe.

        1. thisisoli profile image66
          thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          A surprisingly well written post from someone who seems to have completely failed to do any research to back up their claims on that there is no evidence to back it up. Archeology, biology and science all back up evolution, but nothing backs up religion, at all.

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            DianaETXposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You give me 2 proofs in Archeology, biology and science that back up evolution.  I can't wait for your post.

            Maybe life will evolve before you can document the 2 proofs in each field.

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            DianaETXposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You give me 2 proofs in Archeology, biology and science that back up evolution.  I can't wait for your post.

            Maybe life will evolve before you can document the 2 proofs in each field.

          3. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
            Vladimir Uhriposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Religion is not of God. The variety opinion is not of God. This is why atheism is also religion. There is no proof of anything which is pro evolution.  The evolution is based on pseudoscience. Nobody can go back to study past. All is belief fiction, opinion.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              But you do believe the ancient goat herders, right?  LOL!

        2. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Evolution took place everywhere but in Texas.  There seems to be plenty of proof of that!LOL!

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            DianaETXposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Show me the evolution proof from your state.

            It is funny how someone can attack Texas because they want to attack someone's belief.

            Where is your proof?

            LOL

            1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
              Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              LOL

          2. idamac profile image61
            idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Texas happens to be a great place to live. I love it here, mostly because it allows me to be free enough to think my own thoughts and to believe what I wish. I think that is supposed to be what this country is all about.

            Here in Texas, there is much evidence of how evolution did not take place the way the atheism religion says it did. Fossil remains, and archeology proves the contrary. Many brave scientists also provide proof that intelligent design is the only way that the earth and everything in it could have been created.

            It takes a great deal more faith to believe that we evolved from some amoeba, or mass, than it does to believe that God created all living things after their kind. Where did the amoeba come from in the first place, if not from God? After all, that is a living thing.

            Please, don't take this out of context, but I do believe in some form of evolution. I believe that nature has a way of adapting to its environment, but I do not believe that there is any way that one species can become an entirely new one.

            I also believe that there must have been a pretty large "bang" when God placed the stars and sun and moon in the sky, and when He started the earth spinning on its axis. I also believe that Adam must have gasped when he took his first breath.

            I believe we can see and hear evidence of His hand on everything He created every time we look into the faces of those we love, and see the wonder of nature. How could that have taken place without intelligent design. The simple beauty of a flowers and trees and oceans could not have taken place by chance.

            Taking a look at the complexity of a single cell, one cannot honestly believe that it did not take intelligence to design this. How could there not have been intelligence involved when each cell is made up of so many parts. This could not have happened by chance.

            I find it sad to think that one mans theory has led to so many abandoning the truth for something that has no real proof to back it up.

            My prayer is that God will reveal Himself to those who have the courage to seek the truth.

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              china manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              “Here in Texas, there is much evidence of how evolution did not take place the way the atheism religion says it did. Fossil remains, and archeology proves the contrary. Many brave scientists also provide proof that intelligent design is the only way that the earth and everything in it could have been created”

              This a direct and deliberate LIE

              1. idamac profile image61
                idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                What part do you consider a lie? The fact that fossil evidence denies evolution or that brave scientists disprove the "theory" of evolution? Or, could it be that atheism is a religion unto itself.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Still waiting for your facts. smile

                  1. idamac profile image61
                    idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I must assume that you have "facts" to back up your claims, otherwise you would not be asking for others to present theirs, but I don't find them here.

                    I also must assume that you are seeking some real answers, and I pray that God presents them to you.

                    God bless you

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                  china manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't consider them a lie - they are a lie, period.

                  I have taken the (pointless) time to look through the thread to find anywhere you provide one item of proof or even one item that might support your statement.  You talk (a lot) about what people think and believe - but no proof or disputed evidence.  I guess your god told you to lie for him then ?

                  As for the topic of this thread - why do creationists lie to attack evolution, it is because they are making the last attempt to defend their ridiculous ideas with the most ridiculous idea yet.  This is only possible because of the modern media and the appalling ignorance that results from poor educational standards.

                  1. getitrite profile image81
                    getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm still waiting for our testing of the bible, so I can make up my mind about believing.  I was just left hanging.sad

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                      china manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      If you look over the various threads that discuss the childish notion of creationism you will find that there is only noise - but never any evidence, unless you consider that Woman of Courage's giant skeletons are fact big_smile 

                      It is not possible that all the people who make the noise are stupid, so I guess we have to conclude that they are liars.

                    2. VOICE CIW profile image80
                      VOICE CIWposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      VOICE CIW, how do you go about testing of the Bible. Can man comprehend the Infinite Mind of God. Belief in the Bible comes through faith in God. If you don't have faith in God, there is no way you will believe the Bible, the Bible is God's Word, you cannot begin to understand or believe the Bible apart from God. Man cannot test the Bible, the Bible test man.

                    3. VOICE CIW profile image80
                      VOICE CIWposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      VOICE  CIW, Frightening to you getitrite, and well it should be, you are the one following blindly the god of this world system. You people kill me, you actually think you are in control of your life, I got news for you, your mind is in control of someone else other than you. And guess what? You are too blind to see it. God is in control of my life, and I am so happy and blessed. I am not going to go back and forth with you, you do not belive what I am saying, so I will just say, I am going to pray for you.

                  2. idamac profile image61
                    idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Apparently, you have no evidence to back up your claims to anything being a lie. You seem to simply be relying upon opinion, yours. Just because you do not choose to believe something does not make it a lie.

                    You talk a lot also, and from what I can see, it is all just a lot of hot angry air. That in my opinion is childish.

                    In the final analysis, we will all find out, soon enough, just who is lying and who is telling the truth.

                    As I have said before, those who choose to believe the biggest lie of them all, ( that there is no God) are not likely to be convinced of His existence. 

                    God bless you

                    1. Misha profile image75
                      Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      And this is coming on May 11, this year, right? yikes

                    2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                      Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      idamac, I am in full agreement with your response. God bless you!

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                      china manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      so where is the evidence from Texas and who are the few 'brave' scientists who have proved anything to do with your weird belief is factual.  Accusing others of hot air when that is all you have given - is normal tactics for the liars for jesus.

                      Stop puffing and blowing and put up some evidence - or stop spreading lies and deceit.

                    4. VOICE CIW profile image80
                      VOICE CIWposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      VOICE CIW, idamac whoever do not believe that God exists, is void of understanding. The fear (reverence) of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom and knowledge. idamac, I have read so many of your comments, you are truly a child of God. You keep on contending for the faith, I am going to keep you in my prayers. You have another brother in Christ, me. God Bless You! I love you in the Lord

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                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  well you're wrong in both those claims - misinformed or lying?

                  1. idamac profile image61
                    idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    It would be nice if people would stop using the term lying, for statements they do not agree with. Just because you do not agree does not mean that the statement if a lie. That is just an easy way for some to demonstrate ignorance.

                    Now, before you take issue with the word "ignorance", you might want to take a look at the dictionary definition. Ignorance simply means uneducated, and that can simply be on a particular subject matter.

                    Misinformation abounds with many people, but that does not mean that a discussion of the topics cannot shed some light for all parties involved. I know that I learn when I get involved with a discussion of a topic that I am uneducated about.

                    God bless you

            2. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              "Here in Texas, there is much evidence of how evolution did not take place the way the atheism religion says it did. Fossil remains, and archeology proves the contrary. Many brave scientists also provide proof that intelligent design is the only way that the earth and everything in it could have been created."


              Great! How about sharing this exciting new information with us!  Especially the names of the "brave scientists"and their proof of intelligent design.

              1. idamac profile image61
                idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry Randy, but it is not new information. Evidence of creation is all around us and has been since the beginning of time.

                As for brave scientists, there are quite a few of them to choose from, do your own research. My husband for one, as a Molecular Biologist, can provide great amounts of proof that there is no way we could have evolved from some mass or form that had no beginning of its own.

                My question is, where did this mass or amoeba come from in the first place? If the evolution "theory" is correct, who created the amoeba? Where did it come from so that it could have been responsible for creating everything that exists today in the natural form? You see, creation does exist even in the minds of evolutionists.

                If there are no answers to these questions, then why should we believe that evolution is responsible for life as we know it today?

                Where is the missing link? I know, they have been searching for it for decades. Some claim to have found it, but those claims are always debunked.

                Can you provide proof that your "theory" is correct? Like I said before, it takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in creation.

                God bless you

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  So you refuse to back up your statement but ask for proof from me?  LOL!

                  1. idamac profile image61
                    idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    So, you have no proof, but you prefer to stand firm on your belief that there is no God.

                    Reasonable people provide proof of what they believe rather than blindly following someone Else's thoughts. This is true with any sort of religion, whether it is Christianity, Islam, or Atheism. If you don't know the reason for your faith, you will fall for anything.

                    I believe that there are many Christians as well as others who follow the dictates of any religion, who do not fully understand the reasons for their beliefs. This is sad because not knowing why you believe what you believe sets one up for, as stated above, falling for anything.

                    I believe that this is one of the reasons that Christianity takes a bad rap sometimes. Quite frankly, I believe that not everyone that presents themselves as Christians is really a Christian. You have to sort through the superficial and get down to the nitty gritty.

                    Individual Christians should not be judged by the actions of others, but by their own. Isn't this true of every other person on this earth? We are all individuals and must be judged by our own actions.

                    I believe what I believe because I have proof that God really does exist. He has revealed Himself to me in many ways. I can tell you that He has been there when I needed Him the most. At times of great distress in my life, when I could not even utter prayers with my petitions to Him. He was there and sent people and things that I needed, and even provided the Bible verses that pertained to my circumstances.

                    I wish this kind of intimacy with God for everyone, but that is up to the individual to decide for themselves.

                    It will not matter what evidence I put before you, you will believe whatever you want to believe. I cannot prove that God exists, and I should not have to do that. He is big enough to prove Himself to anyone, at any time He wants to do that. He is a gentleman though, and will not interject His presence on anyone that does not want it.

                    Take a look at these scientists.

                    Francis Collins who headed the Human Genome project, understood that there is no number system to support the theory of random chance. You can find this authors writings on this topic at Amazon. The Language Of God a scientist presents evidence of belief

                    Linus Pauling understood that cellular development was too precise to be randomly developed.

                    Albert Einstein "It was created and set in motion. It evolves but only to change as the environment changes."

                    Neil Armstrong, the noted astronaut. "Things are too precise to have been randomly developed.

                    Charles Darwin stated on his death bed that he had made a grievous error. "I hope God will forgive me."

                    Your turn.

                    God bless you

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      You have put no evidence in front of me to back your claims.  Your last statement about Darwin is laughable.  He said no such thing.  This has been debunked by his family.  Not even a good try. 

                      Can you prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist?  LOL!



                      Satan likes you!

                    2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                      Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      idamac, I love your replies big_smile It's not fair for anyone to judge christians by the actions of others.

                2. getitrite profile image81
                  getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established Theory of Evolution, but you find nothing wrong with believing in nonsense recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a few generations old.

                  To say that you use double standards is a gross understatement.

                  1. GodTalk profile image84
                    GodTalkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    It seems like an honest question which you avoided.  The answer is, you cannot answer it.

                    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                      Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      I cannot answer it either. We simply do not yet understand how the very first spark of life as we know it came to be. The earliest life forms we have found are 3.5 billion years old microbes, but we do not have a definitive answer to that question - yet.

                      Does that make the evidence for evolution some how worthless?

                  2. idamac profile image61
                    idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    "We are ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth." I think those who wish to rely solely upon scientific evidence should understand that scientists do not have all the answers.

                    If a theory cannot be proven time and time again, it is not evidence at all. If there are any variances to the theory, the theory is null and void. There is no scientific evidence that supports the "theory" of evolution. As a matter of fact, the creator of the "theory" has stated his Mea Culpa. What more do you need?

                    God bless you

                    1. getitrite profile image81
                      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      OK.  You are very convincing. Now since you have thoroughly and convincingly debunked evolution, what are the implications?

                      Are we to, now, take the reasonable route, and say we just don't know?  Or do we now look to the only other source of information on this subject--the bible-- for the answer?

                      God bless you.

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                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  what 'evidence' of creation?

                  1. idamac profile image61
                    idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hey, Baileybear, there you are again. I am thrilled that you are following my comments.

                    Evidence of creation is all around you. You might want to take a look at the book I suggested before, "The Language Of God" by Francis Collins. You will get a better explanation from a scientific point of view.

                    God bless you

                    1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                      Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Wow, sounds like a interesting book! smile

                4. Beelzedad profile image62
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  The science of molecular biology wouldn't exist if evolution was not correct.

                  Of course, your husband must have published his findings in peer reviewed journals and the entire scientific community agrees with his findings? Yet, nothing of the sort has ever come to light. Why is that? Can you provide this evidence from your husband?

                  I suspect though that no such evidence or proof will be forthcoming as it unlikely your husband is a molecular biologist and that your claims only support the title of this thread, if nothing else. smile

                  1. idamac profile image61
                    idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Bless your heart Beelzedad. You do present an effective challenge. However, molecular biology exists because everything begins at the molecular level, but does not exist because of evolution. Of course, that was not your statement was it?

                    In the arena of cause and effect, where did evolution get its start if there were no molecules to begin with?

                    It does not matter to me whether you believe my husband is a molecular biologist or not, or whether he has published papers. If you are as informed as you appear to think you are, you know that there will never be complete agreement among the scientific community about evolution, climate change, or any other issues that cannot be completely explained.

                    I did not state that my husband works in any arena where he publishes findings about evolution. What I did say was that as a molecular biologist, he understands that intelligence is the only way life could ever have been created in the first place.

                    Thank you for the opportunity to explain.

                    God bless you

                    1. Beelzedad profile image62
                      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      The current state of the science of molecular biology exists because evolution is correct. If evolution was not correct, there would be no molecular biology science as it currently sits.



                      Why were there no molecules to begin with? Please explain your claim.



                      I know you don't. Believers do not care if their fabrications are believed or not, which again supports the title of this thread.



                      Yes, there is agreement with evolution in all sciences.



                      Clearly, he is a very bad molecular biologist and has no idea what he's doing or it's all a complete fabrication.



                      You didn't explain anything, you merely continued to support the thread title. smile

                  2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    The whole title of this thread is incorrect to begin with.

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Your statement only upholds the truth of the topic.

                    2. getitrite profile image81
                      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Almost everytime you, and other creationist post a reply, the title of this thread is confirmed to be correct. 

                      When you try to destroy a well established scientific method, and replace it with the ignorant imaginations of deluded Bronze Age goat herders, dishonesty is the best tool you have in your arsenal.

                      I see almost no integrity among any creationists.  It's really sad when one feels an obligation to lie for his/her imaginary God, in order to promote that God's "truth"

                    3. Beelzedad profile image62
                      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Yet, you nor anyone else has shown it to be incorrect, in fact, the exact opposite has occurred. smile

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                      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      what's incorrect about it?

        3. idamac profile image61
          idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Bravo! Well written.

          We all know that the whole belief system about Evolution has been propagated on a mere theory. That is not the scientific method of proving anything. It is just the beginning of the process. No one has ever proven the theory to be correct, although some people would prefer not to believe in God.

          That is the right of every individual to believe whatever they wish. However, when an individual begins to try to convince others that their belief system is the correct one, they begin to make that belief system a religion. They are truly worshiping their own god. So true atheism only exists prior to the conviction that they must bring others on board with their way of thinking.

          We don't have to prove that God exists, we just have to believe that He does. He is big enough to reveal Himself to those who seek Him.

          If you do not believe that God exists, you would also have to believe that there would be no harm done if you explored the possibility. Before saying that there is no God, use the scientific method and do your own study of the facts. One should not believe anything that they have not seen proof of for themselves.

          When we take the word of others, on any subject, we become followers rather than in charge of our own destinies. Real, true, independent thinkers take the time to study in order to form their own opinions.

          May God bless you with an awareness of Himself.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol

            You still haven't answered the question.

            Do you feel that evolution disproves your particular Invisible Super Being?

            1. couturepopcafe profile image59
              couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry to jump in here.  But I don't see why the two don't coexist. I'm not going to look up any sites to support what should be common knowledge to most of us here.  Little things like amphibians who once were only aquatic, the non-necessity of the appendix.  The ability to record and research evolution has not been around long enough for us to know just how much evolution has taken place but there is no denying that it has.  Man's individual lifespans are not long enough to evolve at any great rate probably because there is no biological need to prolong life in any way.  The concept of ID is another, much longer argument, one which I believe would necessarily involve a discussion of intangibles and unproveables.

            2. idamac profile image61
              idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Evolution is a "theory" not proof of anything.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                But so is your religion.  There is far more proof of evolution than an invisible deity.  Can you prove there isn't many god?  LOL! smile

                1. idamac profile image61
                  idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh yes Randy, there are many gods. The Bible tells us that this is true. These gods, however, are created by the people that worship them. Not true with the one true and living God.

                  My God may be invisible, but He is more real than anything else in my life. I did not create Him to sit on a shelf and do nothing as other faiths might do. He chose me, and then I chose to believe in Him.

                  He lives in my heart, and makes me who I am. I cannot prove that He exists, I can only tell you that I believe that He does. You will have to decide for yourself what you believe.

                  As far as evolution is concerned, read some of my other posts to find out what I believe about that. There is no irrefutable evidence that evolution is responsible for life on this earth.

                  Proof of God exists everywhere you look on this earth. You just have to know what you are looking for.

                  1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Very well stated! smile

                    1. hanging out profile image61
                      hanging outposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      and this is what faith is, believing without evidence. If we could walk to a place and point God out (there he is sitting on his throne) then there would be no need for faith. God tried this approach once and it did not work, people still did their own thing and this is true again, people would still do their own thing even if God were seated in jerusalem in a holy temple, the people in the usa and canada, south america, norway, germany will all do their own thing.
                      There is no point to proving God exists it will not make anybody holy or keep them sinless.
                      Once again the christians have their proof and the atheist get what they deserve.
                      God is just
                      lol

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    you just contradicted yourself - you said you can't prove God exists; then said proof of God exists everywhere

                    1. idamac profile image61
                      idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      No contradiction. I cannot prove that God exists to anyone, but proof of His existence is all around us.

                      Many people will not accept proof of any fact, even when it is presented in a scientific format, and they will tear apart that proof to see if they can debunk it.

                      I can prove that God exists for myself, but that is not good enough for others. I know He exists, because I have personal evidence of the fact. You would probably not accept that evidence because you most likely have preconceived notions about what God should be.

                      God reveals Himself to those who seek Him, but He does not force Himself upon anyone.

                      God bless you

                  3. Beelzedad profile image62
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    And yet, that's exactly what followers of other religions think about your god.



                    Is your god more real than the computer in front of you and the forum you're writing your words? If that were the case, you could easily show your god to everyone just like you can show your computer and these forums to everyone.



                    We knew that all along. It is no different from any other believer of any other religion in the world. Welcome to their world.



                    From that statement, it's clear to me that you have no understanding of evolution. It is also obvious your husband is not a molecular biologist.



                    And, what would that be, exactly? smile

                    1. Franz Buhlmann profile image59
                      Franz Buhlmannposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      There is one major flaw with evolution!

                    2. idamac profile image61
                      idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Yes, my God is more real than anything else in the universe, he created it all. His word tells us not to "cast pearls before swine", so I guess He will decide when to reveal Himself to those who doubt His existence.

                      He also tells us that "it is an evil generation that is always looking for a sign."

                      What you believe is up to you. As a Christian, I can only present the truth to you and others, its up to you to decide whether or not you will believe it. 

                      Of course, I understand what is meant by evolution. I understand what those who worship evolution mean by it, and what it really is. I think it is sad when others do not.

                      My prayer is always that God bless everyone with a full knowledge of His existence. Even satan and the demons believe, he just wants to be the one that is worshiped.

                      God bless you

              2. DoubleScorpion profile image87
                DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I will admit that I myself cannot prove the evolution theory...nor can I prove the creation theory...I can prove that I exist...at least in my own mind at least...and other than that fact I really don't care how I got here. I will say that my Mother and Father created the body that I currently reside in... Using the bible as evidence is at best only a partial picture...as vast portions of the (scriptures) aren't even included in the bible that is followed today. And what about Greek or Roman "mythology"...we can't discount those theories either...(By the way Zeus and Apollo are mentioned in the book of Acts) so let us research all the "creation" theories if that is the "facts" we wish to follow...Just thinking out loud...

                1. idamac profile image61
                  idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Doesn't hurt to think out loud. We usually learn something when we do.

                  I will never deny the existence of other gods, but they are not true and living ones like Jehovah God is. The Great I Am is the only true and living God and the one that created everything that was ever created.

                  Other gods are the creation of the people that worship them. Yes, Zeus and Apollo may be mentioned in the Bible, but they are not mentioned as worth of worship, and may have been created by the people that worship them.

                  There are some theories about them that are worthy of consideration. The Bible mentions that the Angels came down to earth and mingled with humans. That could be where Zeus and Apollo came from, I am not sure. If this is the case, people might have worshiped them due to the awesome nature they exhibited.

                  God bless you

                  1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
                    DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You seem to miss the point.. I guess I should say this...If we are to "believe" the bible...then we should also look into the gods of the greeks and romans that are prior to the gods of the christian faith...since we were not present to see certian things for ourselves...then we must consider that any written word on gods could in fact be true and thus the "one true living god" could in fact be Zeus, Odin, Ra or any of the other gods listed in various texts. We are all free to believe as we feel is correct...but unless something can be proven as fact it is just a belief and therefore an unproven theory...and since the bible is only one version of gods, I would not conclude this one as the "proof"...

                    1. idamac profile image61
                      idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      With all due respect, it is not true that Zeus, Odin, Ra or any other god predates the God of Christianity. The God of Christianity is the same God that created the universe. Therefore, He predates everything else.

                    2. pennyofheaven profile image82
                      pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      One God, different interpretations.

                      Kinda like my cat. I call my cat precious. He is fiesty. He wanders off to my neighbours, they call my cat midnight. He is always hungry. Then he wanders off to another neighbour, they call him ceefa. He is always sleepy.

                      Same cat different perceptions, different name.

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                how many times do we hear the 'just a theory' refrain.  Please learn what the difference between a hypothesis & scientific theory is

                1. idamac profile image61
                  idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Educate us Baileybear.

                  God bless you

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this
                    1. idamac profile image61
                      idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Very good Baileybear. You have done your homework. I must say that I appreciate the explanation. Not everyone takes the time to be as thorough as you have. Some would rather throw stones than to take the time to explain their thoughts.

                      I especially like the part that tells us that a theory is always under scrutiny.

                      I have to say here that I do not worship at the feet of science. The reason for this is that after several decades, I have noticed that science contradicts itself frequently. Often that contradiction comes too late for some. Sometimes its application is more detrimental than beneficial as well.

                      An example of that would be science applied to farming. Chemicals applied to farmland are supposed to be to help increase food production as well as provide better crops.

                      Yes, science is involved with farming, and nearly every other product that we purchase to make our lives better, including the vaccinations our children are compelled to undergo. No, I am not bashing vaccinations, there is not yet enough evidence of their potential for harm.

                      We also see lots of additional nutrients added to the food we purchase at grocery stores. This is supposed to be designed to better nourish our bodies. Science is involved here.

                      Building greater amounts of, and better food should create better health right?

                      Science applied to create more and better has seen a rise in the incidence of such disorders as diabetes and autism and cancer to name a very few.

                      I remember when the incredible edible egg took it on the nose as harmful to heart health, several years back. So did fat in our diets. Margarine was also touted as being better for us than natural butter. Science has since reversed itself, to some extent on those.

                      The scientific community often uses its knowledge to create substances that have the potential to do great harm to the masses, and encourages us to imbibe. Sure, I know that their intentions are good, but these substances are usually at the behest of conglomerates who just want to increase their bottom line.

                      I believe that adding unnatural chemicals to the body, regardless of its form, is detrimental over the long run.

                      Okay, so maybe I got off subject a little here, but my intention was to say that I do not rely on science as my sole source of knowledge. I ,hopefully, am intelligent enough to review the information and come to my own conclusions.

                      If you have read some of my other posts here, you will know that I do not disagree that evolution takes place, I just disagree that it is responsible for creating any kind of life, and that it created any species.

                      Science has never been able to completely prove that it has, no matter how some may try to convince us that it has.

                      God bless you

                2. Davidsonofjesie profile image60
                  Davidsonofjesieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  nothing scientific about evolution,It changes like the wind.theory does not match with the eveidence there4 should be thrown out and not preached in schools

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Why do you refuse to answer my question?  Or do you merely make stuff up like the other creationists on this thread?

      6. GodTalk profile image84
        GodTalkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        How is the Judeo-Christian worldview any more narrow than that of evolution,  or at least the form you seem to be espousing which seems to totally discount the possibility that there are things, beyond the empirical evidence that can be examined  by the eyes. To think that Science has all the answers  and religion has none is arrogant to the extreme.

      7. easyfreerecipes profile image60
        easyfreerecipesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        it is true, they do have a very narrow world view and it is sad.  i feel bad for people like this, and its not just the creationists.  but yes, evolution could be god's greatest creation, perhaps he was just the spark.

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        Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hmm, I sat here and considered the OP question, when it occurred to me it was rhetorical.

        A creationist and an evolutionist are in the same classification.
        One of the science entities assumes or accepts written documentation as validity (the creationist) while the other --oh wait, they do too, just different documents.

        So, then, I asked myself which documents best "prove" either.
        The results was actually a tie. Because both sets of documents were not designed to prove a thing, only to further a cause --keep the fires burning-- under these ideologies. In which case both elements of the scientific engagement are recumbent --or at least not testing the actual points thoroughly on either side to provide humanity with at best a valuable measure of the soluble tonic that will momentarily quench their thirst.

        nonetheless, it was great reading!


        BTW, as for the statement BB, why don't they follow the bible? The bible is a book, most cling to as an absolute --even to the point of worship. Seriously. But also, some worship other books -- disassociated theology with still result in the same result.

        James.

        1. pennyofheaven profile image82
          pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          We have already been there on this thread as I see it similar to the way you have. haha.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Nope,  evolutionary scientists do not believe their research is going to save their souls.  Nor do they depend on their books to do so either. 

          Scientists challenge each others findings, religionists try to support each other in upholding the untruths in the bible scripture.  Sorry you cannot tell the difference.

      9. buffalo49 profile image60
        buffalo49posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        A lot of the old testament of the bible was originally written by the Sumerians, in Babylonia, around 4,000 b.c. Zechariah Sitchen's books are based on his translations of the ancient sumerian clay tablets and answered a number of questions I've always had about religion. i.e., 1) why were the early greek, egyptian, roman (and Sumerian) religions polytheistic?, 2) how is it that scientists never found the so-called missing link in human evolution? 3) why would an all-powerful creator be a jealous and vengeful god portrayed in the old testament? Sitchen's explanation was that the human race (or adami) were genetically engineered  by a race of beings whose year was 3600 years long. They are the 12th planet in our solar system and came here to mine gold needed to preserve the atmosphere in their planet. The adami (humans) were created by splicing Annunaki genes with indigenous primates in south africa to create workers to mine gold and grow food for the "gods" who lived both on earth and in "heaven" in an orbiting space craft. They gave mankind all his knowledge of agriculture, metallurgy, astronomy and astrology, the first written language, all of which suddenly blossomed simultaneously in Babylonia some 6,000 years ago. It was related by the eye witnesses in the first written history of mankind. It could be myth and superstition, and so could the bible, but the fantastic story has a resonance of reality to me.

      10. tritrain profile image79
        tritrainposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Because creationists haven't evolved!

        Badumpbump.....HA! 

        big_smile


        Thank you thank you, I'll be here all week.

      11. russelldansmith profile image61
        russelldansmithposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It actually has to do with ignorance of what one is saying when one claims creationism or, concomitantly, evolution.  Both claims require adherents that base their claims on a thing called faith.  Creationists have faith that God created the planet in six 24-hour days, basing their faith on a theology that eliminates the law of physics, which God created.   Evolutionists are just as guilty.  They postulate that regardless of the existence of God or the nonexistence thereof, the spark began when once again the huge mass exploded and began moving outward while reformulating into the great universe as we know it today.  The problem is that by taking God out of the quotient, evolution itself becomes a religion with a faith that everything must have happened as the greatest minds think it did.  Life from nonlife is popular but that too violates physics.
        I am neither creationist nor evolutionist.  In 2 Peter it says that one day is with Jehovah as 1000 years and vice versa.  In Isaiah, Jehovah is described as pure energy--and we all are familiar with E=mc(square).
        I agree with those who are disturbed by the claims of creationists, but I tend to think they are letting misdirected faith to take over.  I also believe that of the evolutionists.  The truth is that God is not subject to time as we know it, something that He created for us, anyway.

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          china manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          This is nsot correct in any way.  Creationists rely solely on faith because there is no evidence of any kind to support the idea - NONE.  Evolution is a theory supported by mountains of evidence that people ascribe to because they can believe the evidence that can be felt, touched and seen to fit together down the ages. Claiming any kind of relationship between the two issues is bul@@it and you know it.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If it were only that simple.  Scientists do not have faith in something which they do not know is true. This is why several different dating methods cross check each other when testing the age of fossils. 

          If a scientist is wrong, it will eventually be discovered by other scientists.  This is science and no particular speculation is worshiped as being true.  Vastly different than the approach to religion.  It wishes to be accepted as true without anything to show that it is, or isn't.

          Edit : Sorry China Man, beat me to it!

        3. getitrite profile image81
          getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this



          So could you explain to me exactly how God created time?

          1. russelldansmith profile image61
            russelldansmithposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That was the easiest one of all.  The Bible states that Jehovah is "Eternal" and "from everlasting to everlasting."  There is only one way that He can achieve this:  the lack of time as we know it.  Note that this is a lack of time "as we know it".  He is also said to be able to see the end of a matter before the beginning of it.  Again, this is a indication that He has some other factor that has come into play here, a factor in the great beyond that is lost to us.
            Having created the universe, with its galaxies and solar systems, and stars and planets, novas and supernovas, He recognized the need to set a timetable, one that would allow humans to govern themselves as they conduct their daily chores.  This timetable probably began with the creation of the earth many huge eons ago.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Got anything other than speculation to offer?  smile

            2. getitrite profile image81
              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Why don't you just say that your invisible super being did it with magic?  That's all this statement is saying.

      12. yolanda yvette profile image60
        yolanda yvetteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Why do evolutionists tell such outrageous LIES to attack creationists?

        If someone wants to believe in God, does not he/she have the right to do so?

        If another person chooses not to believe in God is that not their right?

        Why is Christianity such a sore point in the hearts and minds of people who claim God doesn't exist?  If you're right about His non-existence, what are you worried about?

        Why can't you go on with your lives, instead of posting the same thread again and again using different titles?

        Why don't people who claim Christians are trying to shove God down their throats realize they are doing the same thing as they try to disprove God's existence and man's need for Him?  Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

        Do people not have religious freedom in America?  Or is relligious freedom reserved for all except for those who call upon the name of Jesus?

        Why can't you do more constructive things with your life and your time, instead of trying to continually belittle those who don't believe as you?

        1. Beelzedad profile image62
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That question has been put to Christians for 2000 years. lol

          1. GodTalk profile image84
            GodTalkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            And yet it wasn't a Christian who started these threads to try to belittle others and make youselves feel more superior.  Well from what I've witnessed your beliefs aren't any more superior to mine or the majority of the world that believes in a supreme being of some kind. You have just as many things you simply assume to be true, just because someone has told you it is so. "What breathtaking and astounding ignorance", to quote someone famous.

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              china manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No - this thread was started because you and others that believe as you do tell lies in support of the weird ideas of creationism.  After hundreds of posts and prevarication we still have not seen one item of EVIDENCE to support (not prove, just support) your ideas.

              Attacking evolution and science to try to bring it down to your level is not evidence of any kind it is an attemp t to blur the lines to a retarded point where your retarded ideas can exist.

              If you can't give any evidence that the world started 7000 or so years ago or that we all started from the instantaneous arrival of two people around 7000 years ago - then you should go back to your drawing board and try to find some.  In the process of failing to do so you might get some grasp of evolution. You might also get some enlightenment of how science works, you might even get to thinking for yourself.

              1. GodTalk profile image84
                GodTalkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                As if you are thinking for yourself.  I could be wrong but are you a Scientist? Maybe you are, but I would be willing to bet that you haven't made any of these so called Scientific discoveries but are relying on people who have told you things. In this case it is that the whole universe came from nothing and even though it looks like it has design, it clearly cannot be designed because there just cannot be a creator.  And life, clearly can come from non-life even though it goes against all of the known laws of the universe as we know it.  Just given enough time, the impossible is possible.
                You call my creator a magical being. Well how  magical is your belief that a whole universe just came into being on its own!

                1. GodTalk profile image84
                  GodTalkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  For the record, I have nothing against real Science. I believe that the dedicated men of Science have done much to make this world a much better place in which to live. But Evolutionary theory, in so much that it tries to go beyond showing how living things are cabable of adapting to differing environments, is clearly unprovable and unscientific. And many people, denying the existence of God, have tried to make it into a whole philosophy of life.  That is the thing to which I am opposed.
                      You ask me to prove what I believe. I challenge you to prove to me that this universe, and everything in it came ultimately from blind chance. You can't and never will be able to do this. So don't mock the faith of others when your proof is so weak.

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                  china manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I do not dispute that a creator of some kind could exist - any more than I dipute the possiblity of alternative universes.  I do dispute the ridiculous creationist twaddle and that any person would be required to bow down and worship this thing if it exists - and even more ridiculous is the idea that you or anyone else would know what 'it' might be thinking and what 'it' might want - and yet even more utterly moronic is the idea that the possible 'it' might want a bunch of half-educated peasants kneeling at its feet moaning and muttering and asking it to send their kids to disney while it allows 'other' kids to starve to death daily.

                  And you still have not offered one piece of EVIDENCEthat might support your delusional thinking.

                  1. GodTalk profile image84
                    GodTalkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    If I thought that you were actually seeking answers then I might take your questions more seriously. The whole of creation is proof that there is a designer. And if you were truly wanting to know if God exists, and specifically the God of the Bible, you should ask Him to make Himself known to you. Those who truly seek God with their hearts will find Him.  But I suspect that you've closed yourself off to that.

            2. Beelzedad profile image62
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yet, there is ample evidence contained within this thread, some of it provided by you yourself that shows just how much Christians support the thread title.

               

              What beliefs are you referring?



              That's entirely not true. With science, I am able recreate any experiment (funding permitted) that scientists have found working theories for and can reproduce the same results. In other words, I can see for myself rather than just take someones word for it.



              Yes, it is. smile

      13. yolanda yvette profile image60
        yolanda yvetteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What is the lie about evolution?

      14. Freeway Flyer profile image83
        Freeway Flyerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Wow. That's a lot of replies. Has anyone actually changed their thinking or learned anything from all of this?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I certainly have!  The answer to the OP's question, for one thing.  smile

    4. 50 Caliber profile image60
      50 Caliberposted 5 years ago

      What part can you prove is a lie?

      1. skyfire profile image73
        skyfireposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What part ? Here is one for you.

        Creationists are group of liar's attacking evolution without any empirical proof. Just by publishing hubs on hubpages attacking evolution with resources of Art graduate PHD holders commenting on biological evolution, or bible verses as credible source is another way from them to show you the approach they take to attack evolution.

        I hope that is digestible for starters.

        1. barrydan profile image86
          barrydanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          There are creationists with PHDs in geophyics, geology, astronomy and biology.  They have researched and provided empirical proof.  I don't know that any of them are on hubpages but they do provide extensive resources on the web if you're willing to take the time to look.

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            AKA Winstonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            There are creationsts Ph.D.'s.   Empirical proof?  Hardly.

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Jonathan Wells, author of some anti-evolution books, went back to school to get a PhD with the sole purpose of discrediting evolution (which he calls Darwin).   All he's done is discredit himself. 

              http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/08 … lly-0.html

              There's a geologist, Andrew Snelling, PhD that gets paid for consulting (where he quotes rock ages in millions of years) and then moonlights for creationists (where he writes stuff totally contradictory).  Hmmm, more lies. 

              http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/realsnelling.htm

              1. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
                Vladimir Uhriposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                It is not anti-biblical that age of Universe and the same time the earth is not billions years old.

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            why do so many doctors accept evolution?

            http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/01 … .html#more

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          DianaETXposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Where is your proof for evolution?

        3. Franz Buhlmann profile image59
          Franz Buhlmannposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          skyfire,

          You assume sound logic, however your logic is flawed! Just you being here fighting for your view point proves what I am saying.

          For true evolution, you would never waste your time on the weak counter statements that others bring up.

          It always amazes me just how someone so highly educated would ever get rapped up in such an empty believe. Even I struggle with the idea of getting something from nothing. I just lack that much "BLIND" faith. At least with creation, there is something that is the starting point. Regardless of whether or not I can explain it.

          If I were to think that everything started from nothing and that nothing was in control of it, wow, that is real faith! So to test or proof your believe, just hold out your hand and see how long it takes for something to appear without anyone or anything helping. Let me know when something of value appears like a diamond, a car or a new super computer.

          If this test is not to your liking, then maybe you will like this one instead. Have you ever received the help from anyone including medical help?

          If you where a true to evolution, you would have rather died instead of violating the most basic law of evolution, survival of the fittest!

          Anything short of this would be a high crime against all of humanity!

          This would even include getting help from someone in order to improve learning.

          Now, as far as I am concerned, I could never buy into anything that extreme, I just do not have that much faith. While it maybe easy to buy into the basic concept, I truly believe that most people never take time to really think it through to see if there is even soundness to their way of thinking.

          Now, with all of this moved over to the sidelines. I would like to ask you a question directly. You sound pretty smart, are you a ultra high stakes gambler?

          If both of us do what is good for those around and the only difference is our believe in the source of all things. Even if I am wrong, nothing will ever happen to me for my being off target. However if you are found wrong in your believe and stand before that Creator whom you refuse to believe and accept. Then you will be judged by him with absolutely no defense to stand behind.

          I would much rather be ridiculed for what I believe right now and take a chance of playing the fool then find myself the fool then. How about you?

          1. getitrite profile image81
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Here is a wager for you:

            Hold out your hand and let me know when your creator appears.

            It appears that you have no problem with a creator appearing from nothing.  Why is that?  What evolutionist do is just delete the unnecessary step. 

            What is the necessity of a God, if by his own existence proves that something can come from nothing, to argue that something can't come from nothing.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            But what if you are worshiping the wrong god?  Have you even considered this?  Of course you haven't, or you wouldn't have made the silly statement of there being no harm in believing in your god.  Better rethink your illogical post, dude!  LOL!

          3. idamac profile image61
            idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Franz that was well said. I am with you. I would rather be ridiculed here in this life by people who would prefer that I kept my mouth shut, than to miss the mark entirely and face my Creator with no hope.

            God bless you

            1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
              Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              idamac, Agreed.

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        they say Darwin is responsible for eugenics, abortions etc

        1. idamac profile image61
          idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, Baileybear.  When you reduce man to something akin to animals, without a spirit, you can do whatever you want with them. Of course, then you begin to worship the animals.

          Why else would it be so important for some to promote such a fallicy?

          God bless you

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Not something akin to animals.  Sorry, but we just happen to be the animals with the most intelligence on this planet. We are mammals, do you disagree with this statement?

            And what proof do you have that animals have no spirit, or that humans do?

            1. idamac profile image61
              idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hey Randy, thanks. I stand corrected. I thought about the animal part before I wrote it but I felt that some people wouldn't have understood what I was meaning. I can see that you did.

              Yes, we are higher than the animals, not just because we are more intelligent. We were made in the image of God. I know you will not believe that, and certainly won't agree with it.

              God bless you

          2. habee profile image91
            habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm a Christian, but I'm not convinced that animals don't have spirits - especially those beloved by humans. In fact, I'm almost 100% convinced that dogs and horses have spirits. Cats? Maybe not. lol

            1. idamac profile image61
              idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You know, habee, I am not certain of that one myself, I have to admit. I can't remember reading in the Bible whether they do or not. I have to believe that they do not simply because they were given to man by God as food, so that would lead me to believe that they do not.

              I know we humans love our pets, and that they seem to love us. I have several dogs and agree with you that they sometimes seem to be almost human.

              We have to remember that the spirit is what lives after we are dead. Maybe there is an animal heaven and maybe there is not. For me that is not important.

              God bless you

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Humans are eaten by animals sometimes, perhaps more often in very ancient times.  I suppose your god gave us to some of them for food too.  smile


                As if who eats who makes a difference in which species have souls.

              2. Beelzedad profile image62
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                And yet, all domesticated dogs evolved from wolves and it was humans who engineered the evolution. smile

                1. idamac profile image61
                  idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  But dogs are not a different species from wolves. All are canines. And yes humans can do such engineering.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Dogs are a sub-species of the canine family, just as wolves are.  Just as we are primates and so are chimps and gorillas.

                    1. idamac profile image61
                      idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Not even close

                  2. Beelzedad profile image62
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, Canines are a species that include fox and coyotes. They all evolved from a common ancestor.

                    Primates are also a species that include humans, apes, gorillas, etc., which also all evolved from a common ancestor.

                    And, sometime much earlier than that, Canines and Primates both evolved from the same common ancestor.



                    In other words, it can be done. Glad you agree. smile

                    1. idamac profile image61
                      idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Sorry for the short answer before. Had to run.

                      If we are related to chimps and gorillas, why can we not replicate with them. Dogs and wolves are related and they can interbreed and replicate. Pretty simple and straight forward. The true scientific method of evaluating conceptual life.

                      Dogs and wolves have compatible blood makeup, but it is not even close with humans and apes.

                      Primate is the genus while homo sapien is the species for humans

                      For dogs, Canis is the genus while wolf is the species. Dogs are the subset of the species wolf because they were selectively bred for the desired traits.

                      God bless you

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          and about an author of books of lies, Jonathon Wells

          http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            here's a scathing review about Jonathan wells

            http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/08 … cally.html

    5. Onusonus profile image86
      Onusonusposted 5 years ago

      The concept of evolution, which is an unproven theory, can at times be maliciously hurled at people who don't want to accept it in classroom settings or in the workplace, by people who wish to encroach on the beliefs of others. I for one don't think it is the theory it's self that should be attacked as much as the way that it is delivered by some pessimests.
      If the theory is proven correct beyond a shadow of a doubt that man came from monkeys, then our religious beliefs become invalidated to a certain extent causing some people to discard them. But then it might be possible that a hundred years from now somone proves evolution to be wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. Then what? Oops we made a mistake, I guess you can go back to believing in God again.
      The bottom line is bible study is not part of the cirriculum and niether should Darwinism be part of it.
      If you lived in China you would be required to learn about Communism and what a great guy Mao was. The same thing could happen to the rest of the world if we let it.

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        goes to show you know absolutely nothing about evolution if you think evolution is about man coming from monkeys.

        Clearly you are ignorance about what evolution is, but you are saying it shouldn't be part of the curriculum

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The government dose pay for evolution to be taught in schools, where Creation theory is not, unless it is a religious school.

          Have you read my Creationist Hub?

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            just had a look - very short & said nothing of substance.  I have 2 hubs on evolution.

            Creation shouldn't be paid for.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              There is a Creation Museum in Canada also, they want to run these Creation Museums in every major City in North America and have the Government pay for  them.

              I think that is something of substance in spreading of lies

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                Sophia Angeliqueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Omnusonus...

                Firstly, there's no such thing as an unproven theory. Science never claims ever to have absolute facts. A theory is something waiting to be disproven. If you have the evidence to disprove evolution, then it's no more a theory. You wiill need to go to school to learn how to disprove a theory, though. The bible doesn't disprove things.

                "If the theory is proven correct beyond a shadow of a doubt that man came from monkeys, then our religious beliefs become invalidated to a certain extent causing some people to discard them."

                And that's the real issue, isn't it? People who believe that the bible is the literal word of god cannot afford to have one word discredited, because, if one word is discredited, then everything else can be discredited as well. And that's very scary for those who want to believe in superstition, which is what all religions are.

                "The bottom line is bible study is not part of the cirriculum and niether should Darwinism be part of it."

                That's rather like saying, "The bottom line is experimenting with cocaine isn't part of the curriculum and so computer science shouldn't be either." In other words, there is no correlation between bible study and Darwinism.

                smile

                1. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
                  Vladimir Uhriposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  What is bother me is that all this atheistic nonsense is political.

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    creation 'science' & intelligent design is definitely political

              2. Franz Buhlmann profile image59
                Franz Buhlmannposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Castlepaloma,

                They may be paying to spread lies by teaching evolution, ever think about that?

            2. tonzofkids profile image61
              tonzofkidsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Evolution requires far more faith to believe than Creation does.  There used to be a web site owned by a science teacher gone preacher, IDK if it's still up and running but it is presented from a Creation perspective, you should be able to get passed that, some evidence is presented that might give you some insight and perhaps clarity on your dilemma.  It has been my experience that the lies are coming from the other direction. I have heard some fantastical stories fly across a pulpit now and again (mostly southern pulpits) but nothing harmful and certainly not lies, embellishments to make a point. I'm not saying I agree, in fact I'm sympathizing with you.  You seem to have been hurt in some way, maybe by a religion that has let you down? When you research a topic it should be done from all perspectives, the truth lies somewhere in both sides of a story.  Unless you are not searching for truth but rather to prove your point?  drdino.com

      2. Merlin Fraser profile image78
        Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Try to keep up at the back son !!!

        Darwin's work is no longer theory, for the most part it is now well established and proven backed up by the more recent scientific research into DNA and Genetics.

        Picking up on Baileybear's original Point why do Creationists tell such outrages lies.... You sail right in there with the Monkey Story again.... (and not for the first time ) Darwin NEVER SAID IT OR EVEN THEORISED ABOUT IT OK ?  What he said was that somewhere in the early development of our species we must have had a common ancestor.  Guess what, DNA and Genetics proves beyond all reasonable doubt that he was correct.

        Even the Pope and the Vatican accept it as fact !!!!

        Darwin should be taught in school because it is science, and as science it is there to be challenged and tested by those who come after him.... that's how the system of further development and enlightment works.

        Being in constant denial is not a reasonable argument, Creationalism is a nice story but that's all it is and ever was to believe it still has merit shows a fairly limited understanding of any science that I am aware of, but there again when I want to learn something new I research it and look at both sides not just one .....

        Can you honestly say the same ?

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          other blantant lies by hubbers here include made-up quotes (ie LIES! )such as 'Darwin didn't believe in his theory' and Darwin said, 'I hope I did a good job of destroying God.'

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            look what J.Wells said:  "[Rev. Sun Myung Moon’s] words, my studies, and my prayers convinced me that I should devote my life to destroying Darwinism, just as many of my fellow Unificationists had already devoted their lives to destroying Marxism."

          2. The Demon Writer profile image72
            The Demon Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Wow. It is almost painful to believe that somebody would actually say something that stupid.

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              it was a wasted effort - this man has no credibility

        2. ediggity profile image61
          ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "What he said was that somewhere in the early development of our species we must have had a common ancestor.  Guess what, DNA and Genetics proves beyond all reasonable doubt that he was correct."


          You could have read the BIBLE and found out that we have a common ancestor.  Way to go Darwin and genetics, you've proven what the BIBLE has stated for thousands of years.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            All you are doing is proving her point. wink

            1. ediggity profile image61
              ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I'm only observing what your fellow evolutionist had to say, but always glad to be a contributor. smile

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                "Idiocracy" introduction - the future of human evolution

                funny and sad

                1. Pcunix profile image92
                  Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I honestly think we are heading that way, helped as always by religious dogma.

                2. ediggity profile image61
                  ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL, at least someone liked it, or unfortunately.  Yes, funny and sad.  I thought the movie was pretty good.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I think it was good, just my emotions running.

          2. Merlin Fraser profile image78
            Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I’ll just go away and lie down within a darkened room until I calculate if you are trying to be sarcastic or simply Obtuse !

            1. ediggity profile image61
              ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I am doing neither.  Simply making an observation about what you stated.  The BIBLE also states that we originated from a common ancestor, Adam and Eve, and it said so a long time before genetics and Darwin.  The BIBLE also outlines all of the ancestor generations after that.  So how is what I am saying a lie?  It's fine if you think the BIBLE is a lie, but I am just pointing out what the BIBLE says vs what you said in the previous post.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                So - the bible says  Adam was a monkey then? lol

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Are monkeys incest too?, I know they don't do their young.

                2. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
                  Vladimir Uhriposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Mark, you know some people are using sarcasm as a proofs there is no God. This is what they only have, my friend.

              2. Pcunix profile image92
                Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Wow.

                I guess we just wasted a lot of time and effort, didn't we? The Truth was right there all along and we just didn't see it!

                We should all read our Bibles and see what else we can learn. I bet all the wisdom of the Universe is right there!

                Stupid scientists wasting time with experiments and silly theories - where will that get us? Everything we ever needed to know is right there in a book written by The Big Booper himself. 

                Thanks for your wisdom. Eyes need opening and I think Big Booper has chosen you for that work!

                1. ediggity profile image61
                  ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Exactly! Except for all of the name calling.  There is no need to put down science and other peoples opinions with name calling.  It doesn't really help your case for evolution if what you are portraying is an example of the final product.

                  1. Pcunix profile image92
                    Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You have such a way with words that sometimes I am very close to understanding what you are saying,

                    1. ediggity profile image61
                      ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Glad to help.  It's my job.

              3. Merlin Fraser profile image78
                Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                OK Once more from the top !

                According to Creationists; How old is the Bible ?  And by clever calculation  How old is A) The planet and B) mankind ? About 6,000 years old give or take the age of a prophet or two.... Isn't that the answer ?

                To make any sense of Evotion Darwin Hypothesised that for the different variations of life he witnessed firsthand on his World travels the planet had to be millions of years old. Since then both the sciences of Geology and Archaeology have proved this hypothesis correct.

                Remember too that Darwin established his theories while visiting different parts of the world and viewing subtle differences in what appeared to be common species. This he expanded upon when he looked at mankind as well.

                He was not, I might add, chasing a few moth eaten sheep and goats around a Middle Eastern dessert asking where did I come from !

                The science of genetics proves you need a minimum size of gene pool to maintain and expand any species, this alone kinda makes a complete Horlicks of the Adam and Eve Story.   

                  Adam + Eve = Cain and Abel....

                  Cain - Abel = Cain who wanders off and gets married to X

                  Where the hell did X come from  ? 

                  See, even the science of simple mathmatics doesn't work in your favour !


                  Personally I could give a tiny Rats Butt what you belive all I ask is you stop trying to justify a highly susceptible set of unsubstantiated myths and rumours and passing them off as fact just because the Bible says so.

                1. ediggity profile image61
                  ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Basically, all I got out of that post was that Darwin and the BIBLE disagree on how old the earth is.  Then evolution discovered everything that was already written in the BIBLE.

                  Fortunately for me simple mathematics does work in my favor


                  http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3R6y9Z5zznI/SuTqzc11LgI/AAAAAAAAAB8/mz4ZPM4d5AQ/lim.jpg

                  1. pisean282311 profile image57
                    pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    well science would discovering many things which are written not only in bible but quran , torah , veda and many other books which are considered to be holy...humans exist since 0.2 million years ago and it is not that scientist came just 500 years ago...various civilizations did acquire,research,found ,discovered many things and those things would be found in various books including scriptures...at same time many things in those scriptures have been concepts and assumption which science have proven wrong...i admire those who wrote bible , quran , torah ,veda because those was work by people with good intent ...i would love people to read those books ..only thing which puts be off  is only truth concept when lot of things from them have been proven wrong ...for e.g. age of earth , earth is flat , adam/eve etc etc...

                  2. OpinionDuck profile image60
                    OpinionDuckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    so does any number divided by zero.

                    1. ediggity profile image61
                      ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Does it matter?

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                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "Adam + Eve = Cain and Abel....

                    Cain - Abel = Cain who wanders off and gets married to X

                    Where the hell did X come from  ?  "


                  I remember wondering the same thing when I first read the bible when I was 8.  But then my whole family was swept away by pentecostal christianity, and logical thinking was supressed.

                  1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
                    DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Well just a thought. if you read some of the "other" books that were deemed to be non canon. it actually states that when Cain was born it was twins.. a boy and a girl...same with Abel...and supposedly Cain married his younger sister...and actually part of the fight that led up to Cain killing Abel was over which sister each brother would get to married...

                    For those interested in reading...

                    http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/index.htm

                    1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
                      Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Funny how the Bible never mentions any of that first time round, don't you think ?

                      Any chance any knew remarks could refer back to the origin Forum heading !

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                      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      incest with twin...hmmm

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    http://library.thinkquest.org/29178/Cain.htm

                    according to this, Cain had sex with his sister & it was not considered incest because the incest laws weren't made yet & DNA was still near-perfect.

                    Hilarious

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                      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      I don't expect people who can't even fathom Genesis 1: 1  to even be able to understand anything that happened after that.

              4. couturepopcafe profile image59
                couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                ediggity - with respect, I think the reference to 'common ancestor' was the common ancestor of apes and humans, not all humans.

              5. idamac profile image61
                idamacposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                ediggity. They refuse to look at the Bible for all the knowledge it holds. The thing is, the Bible does hold all the truth of the Universe, and if science would use it as a guide they would  prove its validity.

                Instead, many scientists are egotists and would never wish to find truth that is already there. They want to create truth of their own. That is the same mindset that is promoted by some of those who worship evolution.

                God bless you

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Please post links to your claims about what scientists want and think.  You make bald statements without anything to back them up.  Read the title to this thread again!

                2. Beelzedad profile image62
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  What exactly from the bible can scientists use? Please explain.



                  That is clearly just a personal opinion of your own feelings as there is the peer review system that would instantly weed out anyegotistical driven conclusions.



                  That is only a statement from desperation and a denial in attempting to understand science. smile

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            Sophia Angeliqueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            @Ediggity.

            "You could have read the BIBLE and found out that we have a common ancestor.  Way to go Darwin and genetics, you've proven what the BIBLE has stated for thousands of years."

            You're joking, of course.

            Precisely, which verse is that?