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Why do Christians always Speak about God?

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    Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago

    I cannot remember a time when Christians have not invaded every conversation and every forum with their belief about Jesus Christ. Please note that Jews don't do it, Muslims don't do it, Hindus don't do it, Budhists don't do it, and as far as I can tell, I've never had a Mormon do it as well.

    I also remember that in the decade that I was a 'born again' Christian, every time I went to a gathering of the clan which was about four times a week, I would hear the refrain that I had to go out and 'witness', that I had to open my mouth at evey opportunity to talk about J.C.

    I was so insensitive to those around me that I never understood that it was the last thing they were interested in. I recall a very nice guy saying to me, "Is that all you can speak about?"

    The answer, at that time in my life, was yes, but I didn't understand the question because, quite literally, I didn't know what else to speak about.

    After I left the clan, I did a lot of studying as to how I got caught up in it. It appears that there is a process called 'soft brainwashing'. What it means is that the human brain is well adjusted to taking as truth whatever it hears over and over again. That's how advertising works. So, even if one knows that something isn't true, there is an instinct to accept it as truth just because one hears it repeatedly. It takes the utmost diligence to be aware that one's brain is believing something because it has been programmed that way throughe evolution (Yes, I know it's a dirty word to you.)

    This 'soft brainwashing' is also why children in different part of the world grow up to believe the particular religions of their own country. It is what they hear the entire time from birth. They don't even have to be in a religious family. It just needs to be something they hear all the time.

    Another aspect is that music reinforces belief. So, the more music there is (of a certain type), the more the brain likes it. Chanting is another method that enforces belief. Brain entrainment takes place through rhythm and light. And if any of those factors are present, then the process of belief comes more quickly.

    So, looking back, I understand why I spoke about it all the time. I had been brainwashed to. At every service, I heard that I had to go out and witness. I did so without even wondering if the people I was witnessing to were interested.

    In retrospect, I feel a complete idiot about it, and I confess to you, there is also a deep resentment against the movement for having destroyed much of my life. You see, I grew up in an environment where people checked their facts before speaking. I was so naive at the time that it never occurred to me that people would teach something without them being absolutely sure it was true.

    Well, a decade of intense study completely convinced me that there was no more truth in Christianity than there was in any other religion. When I had a daughter, I religion-proofed her for life by explaining how the process happened and showing her own to check facts. I believe that's very important. We are all victims of our own brains to believe what it is told repeatedly.

    Anyway, that's my story. What's yours? Why do you really speak about it all the time?

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      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      thought provoking

      three things not to talk about in an irish pub

                                           sex
                                          religion
                                          politics
      i think you are on to something sophia
      this is central to government education policy regarding religion
      when is indoctrination not indoctrination
      religion should be handled with care like gelignite
      it should be administered to young people with scientific precision
      this is not happening
      it's a dose of dogma from day one
      no broader external reference to help the children who are being immunised against insight
      it is cloning in a conceptual way
      all religions do this all the time
      the ones who are best at this process last the longest
      its a game of last man standing that they are pursuing intently
      thanks for your insights
      luabu

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I like the gelignite analogy

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          luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          thank you  baileybear

    2. simeonvisser profile image88
      simeonvisserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There's also this viewpoint that religious people need to do this because they are fearful of people who do not share their religious views. They can cope with people of different religions ("they just believe something else") but they have difficulty coping with those who reject their views entirely.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sure - there have not been 2,000 years of constant religious wars. Never happened.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      totally get what you're saying.  In the more than a decade (from childhood) I was a christian, I was so immersed in the whole thing, it was my whole life. And there was "soft" pressure to "witness"/"evangelise".

      Many of my hubs have aspects of what it was like being a christian and why I deconverted.

      I agree with the music thing.  It puts people in the "mood"

      I tell my son matter-of-factly about anything he wants to know ie that his nana is christian & how that affects her etc

      I think some of it is because they spend so much of their life involved in activities for god - bible studies, prayer meetings, prayer chain, etc that it becomes "normal" to them - it become ALL they have to talk about, as they don't engage in any other aspects of life - eg to talk to my parents, my mother ALWAYS goes back to god ie new pastor that visited, friend that supposedly got healed from cancer etc.  She really doesn't talk about anything else

    4. michael's son profile image60
      michael's sonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I was born and raised catholic but i am not exactly christian. i do believe that religion is a very important part of being human, but i also believe that we should not let others influence what we believe in. Organized religion as a whole isn't a belief system, its a set of rules to follow. If we are ever going to become a peaceful people we need to stop dictating what others believe in. Peace comes through the acceptance of others. If you don't believe in anything else, believe in love. It is love that will save humanity from itself. We should not press our beliefs on others, we should discuss each others beliefs in a humble way and learn from what others believe in.

    5. farzanhalid profile image60
      farzanhalidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I do not agree your thoughts. how your telling there is no good. there is a creater of the world.

      1. michael's son profile image60
        michael's sonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        When did i say there wasn't a god? I DIDN'T I said i wasn't christian, there's a major difference there. Besides I just said it is wrong to push our beliefs on other people. Yes i do believe in"God" I believe in a great many things but my beliefs are my beliefs and yours are yours. neither of us has the right to say that the other is wrong because we do not have proof. yes throughout our lives, life may have shown us proof that there is a god, but we don't have factual evidence therefore we cannot tell who is right and who is wrong.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think the Christians talk about the Creator-God; they talk about Jesus and misconceive him as god.

      1. michael's son profile image60
        michael's sonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        very true smile

        1. aka-dj profile image80
          aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          True cannot be "very" true.
          Unless of course it's a lie.

          1. michael's son profile image60
            michael's sonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            wow that's an interesting statement i urge anyone who has read this statement to go over it a couple times and think about it. dj really does make sense

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for your appreciation.

    7. Pandoras Box profile image81
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ditto. Pretty exact.

      1. aka-dj profile image80
        aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That too!
        Exact cannot be pretty.
        Well, maybe good looking, but that's all! lol

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I speak about Him all the time because in Him I live and breathe and have my being;  without Him I am nothing; and He is the only entity that deserves my adoration.

      ..You say you were a "born-again" Christian.  I hope you won't be offended, but I highly doubt that statement, because being born again is a Spiritual experience so powerful that one doesn't easily dismiss it, and one does so at one's peril.

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        Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        @Brenda Durham.That's because you've been taught it's not possible to have an experience with God and leave him. However, the new Testament speaks about being 'backslidden' or haven't you read that part? smile

        I think what is true is that like many other people I have an intensely spiritual experiences but these days interpret them in a different way. smile

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, I wasn't taught that theory of "once-saved, always saved".  Yes, I know it's possible to "backslide"!   I've actually done so before, and it was a very dark time in my life, even though I (at the time) found pleasure in sin for a season.   
          What I was trying to say is that it's not common for someone who really Loved the Lord to easily STAY in a backslidden condition, and to become a non-believer, because usually one's heart will eventually miss that fellowship with the Lord, and the Spirit will draw a person back toward Him too.....

          I just don't believe everyone who says they WERE born-again, because of that great Love that the Lord shows us.   He is so wonderful;  I can't imagine anyone easily changing the way they look at Him if they truly were ever born-again....

    9. pennyofheaven profile image82
      pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I would have thought that a Christian talks about God because they love God. Not because they are told to talk about God?

      Makes sense that if one is a Christian then that is all one will talk about...well for the most part.

      If they are a Mum for instance they will tell you all about their children because they love them. Not because they are told to.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ah the gentle voice of reason-good point smile

      2. arb profile image82
        arbposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Logic? Where will we go next. Will limit my comments less I stand accused of invading another open forum.

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          Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't have a problem with people talking about God if both parties want to talk about God.

          I am talking about people who are forced to listen to others who want to bombard them with Jesus. They appear completely insensitive to cues to change the topic.

          Eventually, one has no choice but to say,"I'm sorry, I have to rush. I have an appointment."

          And then avoid them forever.

          1. h.a.borcich profile image60
            h.a.borcichposted 6 years ago in reply to this



            Key point: "I don't have a problem with people talking about God if both parties want to talk about God. I am talking about people who are forced to listen to others who want to bombard them with Jesus."
            There is always whining that there is talk of God on the religious forums by those who don't want to hear it. SO WHY DO THEY FORCE THEMSELVES INTO A GOD CONVERSATION? It is impossible to feel they are forced into it when they choose to be there.

            1. Flightkeeper profile image79
              Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It's funny how so many non-believers talk about God so much.

              1. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
                schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                point taken

          2. Jesus1st profile image61
            Jesus1stposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hey Sophia,
            I always like to hear voice their opinions about God and Jesus Christ. Especially when they can get so negative about it!

            I'm a Christian, and I agree with you everyone does not want to hear it all the time. Sometimes I don't want to hear it, but for a specific reason! The reason is that many of those who are so dogmatic about their belief are really not knowledgeable about what they're saying.

            People don't want to hear what they're saying because the one talking commonly shows uncertainty about what they are saying. Many Christians have sat up in dead hole churches that taught them nothing about who God, or Jesus Christ is and what their meaning is to the person.

            If they are asked who is God and Jesus, and the answer is, God is the Father, and Jesus Christ is His son, anyone can pick up on a lack of knowledge in the one doing the witnessing!

            Many Christians to whom I've come in contact with don't even know the basics of thei salvation, or even why they're saved.

            What you, and many others don't understand is that Christianity is spiritual. There is no way for a person who is operating in the natural realm to understand who God or Jesus are. No way! It's like trying to mix oil and water, they won't mix!

            So, I understand where you're coming from. I don't need to preach to you about who God and Jesus are, because you won't understand it anyway.

            You'll find, if you still have a Bible, in John 4:24 - "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him, MUST, worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

            I can always tell when a person who claims to be a Christian is a baby Christian. Spirits recognize kindred spirits!

            Unbelievers like you never upset me to a point of contempt, like you are in contempt now, without even knowing the whole story. You see whatever a person does it's between him and God. When you become a judge, as you have, you put yourself in a very bad place, even if you don't profess to believe.

            Look in your Bible at James 4:12 . In case you don't have one I'll tell you what it says - "There is only one lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you - who are you to judge your neighbor"

            SImply because others do wrong things doesn't mean that you have to be stupid like they are. Whether you believe it or not you WILL stand before the judgement and you WILL be judged. Are you ready for that? Unless you thing you will live in this life forever, you are in a very bad place with the creator of the universe... unless you don't believe that either!

            God bless you, and I pray for mercy for your kids!

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            Jesus1stposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I apologize for the typos! I was doing this between one of my classes.

            God Bless!

      3. Woman Of Courage profile image60
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        h.a.borcich. Great point.

    10. VOICE CIW profile image79
      VOICE CIWposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      VOICE CIW
      I always speak about God because I love Him. I am a christian and my love and duty is to witness to people. Jesus Christ died for me He paid the penalty so I would not have to. Not only am I required, as a christian to witness to others, but I have a desire to do so, I want others to feel the joy of the Lord as I do. I don't feel people should be forced into witnessing, whether by parents, or churches. When I first got saved (became a christian), I was afraid to witness to people, because I was shy around people, but I allowed Holy Spirit to work in me, until one day I felt comfortable witnessing. A lot of people say religion this and religion that, but seriously it is just all about Jesus Christ, and His Love for us, and His desire for us to live with Him in eternity.  By the way Jesus Christ and God is One, it does not mean they are one person it means they think, act, and agree on the same things. There are three persons in the Godhead, they are God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy spirit, God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are Spirits, Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the Godhead, Jesus is what God looks like in the form of a man. Jesus Christ is both Man and God.  I love God and study the Bible and I feel joy from the knowledge I get from God, and my desire is that all people will feel the joy I feel. Christians mean " Christ Ones." I love to tell the Story of Jesus and His Love.

      1. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
        schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        nicely said

  2. kirstenblog profile image77
    kirstenblogposted 6 years ago

    I can sympathize with your sentiment here. I do want to point out that here on HP at least we have a few Muslims who seem to talk their religion just as much as the Christians do.

  3. aka-dj profile image80
    aka-djposted 6 years ago

    Why do so many atheists talk with Christians about God? Esp. if they don't believe?
    I for one, like talking about Him.

    1. simeonvisser profile image88
      simeonvisserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ask yourself the following questions: who initiates such conversations and for what reasons? Exactly, that answers your questions.

    2. kirstenblog profile image77
      kirstenblogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Whey do so many christians talk about science? especially when they believe the world was made in 7 days?

      Could it be because it is almost completely unavoidable? What with folks thinking that their thoughts are just so totally interesting and worth sharing. Especially when the application of their thinking creates new technology for us wink

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        Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        @ aka-dj.

        Atheists don't initiate the conversations. Christians do.

  4. rocketjsqu profile image83
    rocketjsquposted 6 years ago

    In some circles there are those individuals who feel it is necessary to brain wash others into believing their way of thinking, Christian and non-Christian, religious or non-religious.  When someone becomes passionate about something they have, whether it is knowledge of something they believe, or a new car, they like to share it with people around them.  While a new car will eventually grow old and gradually become less exciting to share with others, a passionate Christian will never grow weary of sharing the many aspects of a relationship with Jesus Christ.  As you grow in wisdom and understanding, not necessarily in Biblical knowledge but in life, some people learn to temper their expressions of excitement to the receiver, while others just continue to push, convinced that everyone needs to feel the same way as them.  A true Christian is convinced that they have something of great value that they want to share with those who don’t.  Unfortunately instead of sharing it becomes more like “shoving” as they try to persuade others to see their perspective.  Now instead of being a gift, it becomes law, and the whole message is lost.

    1. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
      schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      my bf tried to brainwash me into being an atheist, he kept repeating his belief over and over and making me watch tv shows about it.
      Then when I was not in a sober state he repeated it again.

  5. know one profile image60
    know oneposted 6 years ago

    Great post Sophia. I was in a church last night for carol singing and the words were put up on the big screen. I'd never really paid much attention to them... gosh, they appeared decidedly cultish to my adult self. Quite disconcerting. Then a song was sung just by the attending christian children. My friend made a snide remark about the annoying level of repetition (it was one line repeated for the entire song) and my reply to him was that's how brainwashing goes down, especially with the young... repetition, music, group influence, and applauding adults.

    I'm so happy for your daughter. And you. smile

    1. arb profile image82
      arbposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Went to a Richard Dawkins event last night. Applauding adults, group influence, repetitive ideas, slide presentations and a host of other communicative influences. Hmm! Hadn't considered I was being brain washed. Wow! Your right! I feel all clean and tingly!

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That' amazing, considering his website shows he's currently not touring or having any events. smile

      2. know one profile image60
        know oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Wow. You present a fallacious argument and expect what?

  6. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago

    I diagree-Christians speak about alot of other things (other than God). ( I have in 30 mins commented on 5 different topics,this thread was the only Religious related one)

    In retrospect ,the topic would be the most natural thing for them to speak about however.

    Actually alot of Christians probably never comment. cruise in and cruise out. I do that alot too.

    It astounds me the interest that Jesus Christ generates and challenges he presents to people from all walks of life smile

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      Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      @Eaglekiwi. Take a look at the ratio of posts on the forum. They are predominantly talking about Christianity/God. That happens on virtually every forum.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hence my last point smile

        Clearly it is a popular topic, whatever side you bat for smile

        Even though I add my 2cents from time to time , I also do the same on other threads-depends on the flow ,I s'spose and how far along dinner is lol

    2. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
      schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      nice point Eaglekiwi, very nice

  7. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    When someone first enters a church body, they are normally very relieved to have escaped what they now see as the danger of dying outside of Gods will, they feel gratitude and Churchianity feeds that feeling.

    The first thing most churches will do is attempt to get a newbie fully involved in as much as they can be persuaded or coerced into doing.

    This is a two fold thing, first, the more established members no longer want to do those things, and secondly the newbie, still being partly in the world, assumes that showing willing is required and a good way to progress quickly into the body of faith.

    The witnessing aspect comes right on top of this desire, and folk start to tell everyone about Christ, which is natural because firstly they truly do feel that anyone who does not know Christ personally is in danger of eternal damnation, and secondly Christ normally fills a void that was what pressed them to come to faith in the first place.

    If you don't wish to hear the witness, either walk away or politely decline the offer, or tell them you are a Buddhist and smile serenely... maybe add a ummmmmm or two and look mystical.

    But why should they NOT talk about Christ?

    People speak about the things that are the centre of their life, and for believers, that's Christ.

    When I first came to faith, I wrote a piece called the J Word (now published as a hub) and it offered then (and now) a perhaps differing perspective.

    Why do people get angry when the J  Word is mentioned?

    1. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
      schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ""But why should they NOT talk about Christ?""

      Yeah why not, free country, freedom of speech, just walk away

      Same when a person walks into a room,school,playgroud, etc with people cussing, and saying obsence things,,,,must walk away

  8. getitrite profile image81
    getitriteposted 6 years ago

    I grew up in the south(bible belt).  The religious indoctrination is stifling.

    It was so bad that I couldn't go to the bus stop, the laundry-mat, the supermarket, to work, or just about any place, without someone shoving their insane beliefs down everybody's throat--saying what wonderful things Jesus had done. 

    And then when I would go home, my mother is so brainwashed that she has no life outside of her belief in this nonsense.
    My sister and I have tried over and over again to get her to see just how empty her life is, but she refuses to listen to any logical findings that her beliefs have been debunked.

    These diabolical charlatans totally possessed my parents, and there is no retrieval of their minds.

    However, these charlatans will never get me.

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      Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      @ Aquasilver - because they are completely insenstive to the fact that one is being polite by listening to them, and that one wants to change direction of the conversation as fast as possible without being offensive. Most are so incredibly insensitive to the perspective of the person that they are talking to that they fail to see the cues.

      These days I only deal with them as you have suggested. I tell them quite bluntly I'm not interested and walk away.

  9. ediggity profile image59
    ediggityposted 6 years ago

    Why do Christians always Speak about God?


    Because you asked why? Lol.

  10. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago

    Why shouldnt they .. (Talk about God)

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Because of all the fights you cause? IDK - thought you would have learned after 2000 years of wars? No? lol

      Still - wot is important is u is being persecuted.........

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Christians dont cause all the fights,thats a silly statement to make! (IMO)


        Based on your statement Mark, then we should never talk about cars either ,since they cause many deaths

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not really - but I see you just want to fight like a good Christian. Have you ever read any history books?

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
            Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I challenge that statement..

            You see I want to fight ?, why do you always seem to see that?

            I think your perception of me is incorrect (again)

            The Bible is an Historic book ,but Im figuring thats not what you had in mind smile

            I am also interested in the History of my ancestors,but would most probably choose a good novel if I truly had to choose.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The bible is an historic book? Well - I guess - but it is not a history book. Do you understand the difference and have you read any history books?

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
                Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  So - you are aware of the 2,000 years of warfare caused by your beliefs?

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
                    Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I dont agree.

                    I agree many used Gods name, most countries still do ( fight in Gods name)

                    But look if a persons goes to a bad doctor and he turns out to be a quack, does he stop believing in medicine-no ,he doesnt.

                    Which is what this post is primarily about ,a persons belief.

                    And my belief does not cause me to kill people or support people who have any inkling of being anywhere close.

                    To summise Mark, what you or anyone choose to do in Gods name ( or not do)is not my doing ,now is it?

                    I am responsible for my own thoughts and actions-as I hope you are.

                  2. arb profile image82
                    arbposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Lets see - WW1 - WW2 - the Korean conflict - the Viet Nam War - The Civil War - The war of 1812 - The revolutionary War - The teutonic War - The 100 years War - The 2nd Muskivite Lithuanian War - The Ottoman war - The German Peasant War - Sweedish War of Liberation - Inca civil War -
                    Enough already, the list goes on and on, but in fairness, I could also list almost as many fought for religious purposes. We fight wars, always have and always will. I'm not even sure we need a reason. Every conflict we engage in, is certainly not " in the name of God". There's a bunch, but a whole lot more where He wasn't necessary.

              2. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
                schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Mark, you're replying to her EVERY comment, doesn't that qualify as fighting?

                Perhaps you want to speak and not be spoken to?

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                Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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                Wrong again, the Torah is part of Jewish history. Every judge in office is required to know the Torah.

                But then you know more than anyone else

                1. pisean282311 profile image59
                  pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  wasn't thread on Christians...what has torah to do with it?

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                    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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                    I was replying to Mark.
                    Where do you think the Bible came from.
                    It came from all the Jewish scripture and it is their history.

                    More questions?

                2. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh? So what? I have never read the Torah and I do not recall mentioning it either. Does it have any actual history in it or is it full of fairy tales like the bible?

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                    Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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                    The Bible is from the Torah. So whether you mentioned it or not...it is a part of Jewish history.

                    Bible is from the Torah, Torah is Jewish history, therefore bible is part of history.

                    Can't you follow a simple idea? NO

                    I never thought you had read the Torah

                  2. livelonger profile image87
                    livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    The Torah is what you (ex-) Christians call the first five books of the Old Testament of the Christian Bible.

                    The stories in it are an admixture of myth (Noah's Ark) and some embellished historical facts (exodus from Egypt). But considering the events described were 2500 years old or older, obviously the historical record is a bit shaky.

                    But whether a Jew thinks the Torah is fully myth or fully historical record, it is still considered the foundational text of Judaism.

          2. michael's son profile image60
            michael's sonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Dear mark: none of us here want to fight you seem to be the only one trying to offend people here and i have followed you on other threads as well and the pattern is the same. instead of persecuting others because of your misconstrued preconceptions, take a good deep look at yourself and try to find out why you are so angry. please it will not only help the ones you judge but it will help you as well. I am not trying to insult you my friend, i am merely making a friendly suggestion. smile

  11. rotl profile image61
    rotlposted 6 years ago

    We could all benefit from people of all faiths keeping their religion to themselves. I thought religion was supposed to be a personal choice, a private journey. Now, it seems that if you don't scream at the top of your lungs about what you believe, you are not a true believer.

    I think a lot of people who impose their religious views on others are either insecure themselves, or don't have much class, or are uneducated or uncultured.

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      Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Roti, now you aren I are on exactly the same page. It is a private affair and that is where it says....

    2. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
      schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      In that case, I don't want to hear politics or sports discussed either, I hate them both pretty much.

      Why not outrule everything?

      And I don't want to hear atheists whatever you want to call them, atheists sounds like a bad word for some reason, constantly talk about science proving no god. That is what my friends do,,,and my friend jj constantly talks about all her political beliefs and gets mad if you don't agree, not to mention her sexual orientation, which is fine, but forcing it in my face. Thank you very much.

  12. Hotplate profile image60
    Hotplateposted 6 years ago

    The loudest are the most insecure.  They need to constantly try to tell people what they should believe in.  They are constantly looking for exceptance, and transfer that into selfworth and importance.

    1. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
      schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yes that's why most of us stay out but the famous "  ...." and "..." stay here all the time! fighting to the death.

      If you look at who's most active in this forum, that will tell you.

      I think personally that since so many atheists on their deathbed said things like "Hell, I am going there, there is no escape,"

      That they have to defend or they begin to feel fear and they must (forget) about the truth and keep the lies alive.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDJa2TaFrI
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmhUP1SV … re=related
      see ya...leaving now smile
      this one I wouldn't watch
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynX_RWYT … re=related

  13. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    As a Christian myself, I usually invade topics and bring up my 7 part Hub series on Elmer Fudd

    (no compulsion)

    1. Hotplate profile image60
      Hotplateposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Funny you mention that, I have a burning desire to hijack threads with my obvious lack of imagination that has kept me from writing a single hub.

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        poverty is just a cut and paste away my friend

        1. Hotplate profile image60
          Hotplateposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Don't tempt me now!

          1. Greek One profile image77
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            why dont I just send you my adsense revenue and safeguard my works...

            got change for a dime?

            1. Hotplate profile image60
              Hotplateposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Unfortunately, I think shipping would be more than the check.

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Delightful sense of humour! lol

  14. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Mao wasn't religious

    Caligula wasn't religious

    Stalin killed a few million and he wasn't religious...

    you don't need to be a follower of a religion to be a psychopath

    1. frogdropping profile image86
      frogdroppingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      All true Greek One. My mother's similar to Mao and she ain't religious either neutral

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        can she make Chinese food?

        1. frogdropping profile image86
          frogdroppingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Reasonably well.

          Anyway Mr Contrary - this thread is about religion. That's why there's the mentioning of religious wars. I doubt anyone believes that EVERY war was started due to religion.

          1. Greek One profile image77
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I beg your pardon? Some of us are VERY passionate about our Chinese food..

            Do you forget the great soy sauce war of 1857 led by General Kung Pao Chicken?

            1. frogdropping profile image86
              frogdroppingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Oops ... sorry ... my bad. Apologies.

              And for the record - IMO wars start because people don't agree. Now that's what they've all got in common hmm

              1. michael's son profile image60
                michael's sonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Very wise statement oh froggy one this is why we must learn to accept each others differences instead of fighting about them. Love and acceptance are what will help lead this world to peace. smile

    2. profile image0
      Home Girlposted 6 years ago

      I grew up in a socialist country. They killed/threw out of the country people who did not believe into socialism. The rest were brainwashed every single day by meetings, songs, declarations, slogans etc. Repetition is the key. You don't have a choice but believe into crap you hear every day. And you start to repeat it, and you start to like it, it fills your life. You are ready to die for it, to kill for it. It's so sad. But there is something in our human nature that tends to yield to consistent brainwashing. Sad but true. Most of your beliefs are not even yours - somebody had to put it there into your brain at one time or another. To understand this is already a great accomplishment.

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        Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Home Girl, I don't know of any socialist countries that did that to anyone. i do know communist countries that did that to people, though.

        America, like Australia, Europe, the UK, etc. all have heavy Socialistic policies.

        Medicare is socialistic. Unemployement is socialistic. Pension funds are part of the socialistic dictum.

        Socialism is when a country, through taxes, pays for certain services so that everyone can have them. Nobody dictates to the people. Europe is entirely socialistic - Germany, Spain, Finland, Greece, Italy, UK etc. I have lived in socialistic countries all my life. Never been an issue. All socialistic countries that I know of are democratic.

        However, in the US, it appears that some thing that socialistic and communism are the same thing. So, if you're not English speaking, perhaps you mean communism?

      2. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I see that no different from any religious upbringing/indoctrination. smile

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

      I rarely hear Christians speak of God. They give the one they call Jesus all the credit.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        They are one and the same.
        Amen and Hallelujah!

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          _________
          You are going to believe what you want and that's your right.
          But, they certainly are not the same.
          That's why Yahshua said:
          John 5:37
          And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

          And remember
          Matthew 7:21
          Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven

        2. Woman Of Courage profile image60
          Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Brenda, Amen

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      Home Girlposted 6 years ago

      And Stalin was a religious person. Communism was his religion. He prayed to it everyday. And killed way too many people for that.

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Wars start because of religion, economic conditions, political philosophy, great social schisms, fights over resources, security concerns, which side to crack open a hard boiled egg, etc...

        blaming religion, especially a single religion, is just not accurate

    5. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago

      Wow Homegirl ,must check out your hubs,sounds fascinating!


      We are all influenced by many things,family,culture,environment and thats all before we can even walk lol

      Pour into the mix, life events, and personal situations and boy its incredible (least to me)how we all turn out so different and also the same.

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        Home Girlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't write a lot about life in my old country. it is still painful and I don't want to shock anybody. Just here and there. May be one day I will write more. It might be  useful for somebody to know how people lived and why, as people tend to forget things quicky, especially bad ones that happened to them. I don't like to talk about politics, I never vote. I don't believe that one talking head is better than another. I could never be a spy for anybody, don't have that in me. I could never make a political career. I am just a person who lives the way she can in a country she happens to be in. I am home girl far from home. I am in a process to make it home here.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
          Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I can understand that.

          I wish you every success and happiness ,wherever you call home smile

    6. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago

      So tell me ,if one has never read a history book,or could even read for that matter ,what then Mark? they are therefore unable to speak about God?

      Ok my turn~~> Oh dear lol

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was once asked a question... If a child is born to be Deaf, Blind and Paralyzed ;  Can that child be capable of thought?

           And if so; where does that thought come from?

           I believe that it will have a thought process that is an uninterrupted, direct connection to the source.

        1. michael's son profile image60
          michael's sonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          very interesting concept. i love the implications there. smile

    7. AEvans profile image72
      AEvansposted 6 years ago

      I am Christian and don't speak about it all of the time. But you certainly have created an interesting topic. smile

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        AEvans ,lovely to see you again.

        Wishing you a very Merry Christmas Glory Gurl smile

    8. Elefanza profile image78
      Elefanzaposted 6 years ago

      Why do Christians speak about God? Why not?

      If there is a great all-powerful being and one could have a relationship with such a being as Christianity claims, then how could you avoid talking about something that would be such a monumental event in your life? Would not everything else seem trivial in comparison? With a deeper reality seen beyond the contours of this world, is not conversation about God more ineresting than football games?  Similarly, people who fall in love often annoy others with their exccessive talk about the one that they're in love with. Yet somehow, this is part of the experience of being "in love." The possibility of believing in God for Christians might be synonomous.

      But why don't others talk about God? I don't know. Perhaps the groups that don't talk about God have recognized it as impolite and offensive whereas certain elements in the Bible encourage a mentality that makes offensiveness acceptable? Or maybe as culture and educations becomes increasingly critical of Christianity and the harm its done, people who are Christian feel compelled to speak of God as a way of not assimilating into a culture that would rather not put up with some of the less pleasant aspects of Christianity.

      1. Elefanza profile image78
        Elefanzaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And this isn't to say that this action is always right or that the perspective is a valid perspective. It's just an attempt to think of it from that perspective.

    9. brotheryochanan profile image62
      brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

      depends on how you talk about it.
      theres bible bashing
      and then there is mentioning just enough to intrigue the listener.

      certainly bible bashing is not a good thing
      but to mention the bible and the saving grace of jesus christ is tantamount.
      its done because of concern (some will call it love but that gets bashed around so much we will use concern instead)

      the stakes are enormous! and the benefits plentiful. For those who failed at submitting to God, life must truly suck big time but that is their problem and not the scenario of everyone.

      For those that are successful in christ, he is a loving god with benefits and graces and glories to bestow on every believer.
      Not to mention, of course, those that are not worthy to live in the realm of forever with a holy god in a society that actually works, will be doomed to live castigated from christ and eventually be snuffed like a candle flame, which is a shame because after this paltry life is over - the real life begins.
      According to the bible, of course.
      I can be emailed.

    10. gracenotes profile image92
      gracenotesposted 6 years ago

      In reply to the OP on this long thread, here is another perspective.

      Jesus told his followers to be the "salt of the earth."  He didn't say to take a bunch of salt and dump it all over food so you can't eat it.  Salt is meant to provide seasoning and make some dishes more palatable.

      It's possible some Christian believers are pouring salt on unreceptive people, and I don't go along with that.

      It is even possible to do this with fellow believers.  Conversation between/among fellow Christians is important, but I challenge any Christian to sit quietly in a cafe and listen objectively to a group of Christians talking exclusively about their faith.  I've done this.  Sooner or later, the flesh begins to assert itself.  You know, there is vying for importance and wanting to be seen as doing more significant things for God than your neighbor.  They go far beyond challenging their fellow believers and instead try to build themselves up -- with their biblical knowledge, leadership abilities, etc. etc.

      So, yes, too much exclusive contact with fellow believers stifles growth.  That's one reason, among many, that it's important for Christians to talk about Christ with the world.  This could be a slight mention, where they attempt to ascertain the spiritual state of their conversational partner, or an attempt to share the entire gospel message.

      It's also important to share some of scripture.  I had an opportunity to do this the other day, and I didn't think of the scripture till later, but I at least affirmed the effectiveness of prayer with a casual acquaintance I see each week. She brought it up -- I did not.  I hope God leads me to do more in this situation.

    11. Jerami profile image76
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      Home Girl wrote:
      The rest were brainwashed every single day by meetings, songs, declarations, slogans etc. Repetition is the key. You don't have a choice but believe into crap you hear every day. And you start to repeat it, and you start to like it, it fills your life. You are ready to die for it, to kill for it. It's so sad. But there is something in our human nature that tends to yield to consistent brainwashing. Sad but true. Most of your beliefs are not even yours - somebody had to put it there into your brain at one time or another. To understand this is already a great accomplishment.
      =========================================

          I see it more like standing outside the kitchen. 
      You are hungry and the savory smells are enticing.
      And too many people are content to enter the kitchen so they can smell it better.

         The Church is the kitchen that brings the people up close.
      We have to go through the kitchen to get to the dinning hall..
        OR  ..  we can come straight in through the front door.

    12. frogdropping profile image86
      frogdroppingposted 6 years ago

      Call me persistent if you will but - I've asked this before.

      If there is an almighty, a god, someone or something I can have faith in - why are there so many folks with their own view of god and how it works? Why is religion not unified? One god means one god. Even my priest had trouble explaining this one and besides his faith and belief in what he taught, he was also sharp and intelligent.

      Those with faith can't agree with many other faiths so ... aside from the apostasy, why so many versions of god and/or religions?

      Once religious folks can agree, maybe there's a chance others may be more open.

      1. Flightkeeper profile image79
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't understand what a person being open to God has to do with other people?

        1. frogdropping profile image86
          frogdroppingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That doesn't answer what I asked.

          Still - I was referring to why some folks don't appear to like or listen to the opinions of those who have faith. Of course that's not the only reason or even 'a' reason for some. Still - if it has nothing to do with other people, why then all the bible talk and use of scripture when someone opposes another's belief? If their openness is of no consequence, why bother.

          1. Flightkeeper profile image79
            Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well doesn't it make sense for the believer to use whatever holy book they use for discussion as their point of reference?  To a non-believer it doesn't matter what that holy book is going to say say anyway.  Hence the conflict.  And sometimes amusement for me.

            1. pennyofheaven profile image82
              pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Actually it seems to matter to some non believers. That appears to be there is much discussion with the believers and the non believers.

      2. pennyofheaven profile image82
        pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Perhaps if you can visualize God like a river. Pure in its essence as it flows through  all that exists including the mind of man. If the mind of man engages in poisonous thoughts, engages in passions of the mind etc etc it taints the river. Yet this river continues to flow. The source where its springs from has the ability to cleanse itself over time.

        If the river is tainted by the mind of man this explains the infinite, different understandings of God.

    13. literarychimp profile image60
      literarychimpposted 6 years ago

      "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" Winston Churchill. Although Richard Dawkins cant change the subject either, his atheism has the intensity of a religious zealot. Or, indeed, the more smilingly obsessive BAC's.

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        Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, Richard Dawson was just heartedly sick of having to keep having to defend himself from Christians, so he finally giving as good as he got.

    14. profile image68
      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

      Why do Christians always Speak about God?


      The Christians never speak of the Creator-God whom Jesus used to pray; the Christians speak about Jesus who was never a god; it is a mythical creation of Paul and the Church.

      1. pisean282311 profile image59
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ever wondered...jews belief jesus was not god...christians believe muhammad was not prophet...muslims believe gulam shaab was not what he said he was...dont you seen trend in it?

    15. Me, Steve Walters profile image78
      Me, Steve Waltersposted 6 years ago

      uuuhh...*not worth replying to this thread*...just reading the first paragraph to this thesis doctoral statement you put together...I already see: fabrication! Hope you didn't lose any sleep over putting this one together.

    16. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago

      The Torah is inside the OT. The Bible covers the OT and NT.

      The Bible and all other religious book are written accounts of the past, some are mystic, metaphoric and truth(in a manner of speaking).

      It speaks about humans, this is true. It speaks about a god? This is false, when you incorporate all knowable knowledge and rationality.

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        Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        _________
        The first 5 books of the OT, is a sort of copy of the Torah, that's all.

        The OT does not say what the Torah does. The nature of God is not the Christian God.

        Can you read the Hebrew Torah?
        Wow, no you can't

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You seem to be something less than believable. So please.

          I know what I need to know about the Torah. Whether or not, I am capable of reading it is actually irrelevant. If offers nothing of value to begin with.

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            Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ______
            You know nothing of the Torah except from English and translations by American Jews.
            It is impossible to understand unless you read and understand Hebrew. LOL
            I know it means nothing to you...but there's a reason for that.

            Why even comment

    17. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

      I think we are collectively coming closer to a universal understanding / agreement regarding the nature of God and the universe.

      I predict that within a few more carefully crafted forum threads, we will all, simultaneously, have a 'eureka' moment.

      Thousands of years of mankind’s search for wisdom have come to this… who could have guessed that the Hubpages forum would be the conduit through which ultimate enlightenment would occur.

      The anticipation is palpable… my nipples are hard beyond comprehension!!

      1. Jerami profile image76
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think that to understand scriptures can be compared to assembling a model car.

           When we just dump the pieces on the table and begin gluing them together, we always come to the end having numerous parts left over that does not fit within our construction.

          Ya have to begin by choosing the correct first piece to glue the second piece to.  It may seem logical to some to begin with the steering wheel and work out from there? But I do not suggest that approach.

    18. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
      schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago

      This is the answer and why atheists always refute our belief in God, it's both for the same reason:

      We want people to see the truth and see the light that there is God and salvation and try to inform people there is a hell of eternal punishment!

      For atheists same:
      They want people to see the truth and understand the feeling of freedom of no rules and clear thinking, and see lack of knowledge as a form of punishment!

      WITH KNOWLEDGE COMES POWER
      RELIGIOUS PEOPLE CAN USE IT FOR POWER
      AND ATHEISTS LIKE HITLER CAN USE IT FOR POWER


      WHO IS GOING TO USE KNOWLEDGE FOR GOOD
      --PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORALS:
      MORALS EXIST WHETHER OR NOT RELIGION DOES

      1. getitrite profile image81
        getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



        Why inform people of something you can't even prove to be real?



        Why are you so angry at people who don't believe the same as you?  And why do you keep stating that atheist want to live their lives with no rules?

        This is absurd, being that anyone knows that living with no rules would guarantee extinction.

        1. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
          schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          why do atheists inform people of something they cannot prove?

          I'm not angry at all lol!! Not in the least.

          Nope, didn't say that, where did you get that from??

    19. pisean282311 profile image59
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago

      @Deborah



      Your wrong, it is part of their history, and that's fact.
      Ask any Jewish person
      You're not agreeing doesn't make it not

      _____________________________________________________________

      if what jews believe as their history becomes history then by that same logic what arabs believe as their history becomes history...so why do you argue on that then?.

      have you read history of other countries?...if yes you would get my point of view... ...all history has myth , opinions , versions of same event...some larger than life figures , some miracles (if that history is before industrial revolution) and some prophecies...it is human phenomena...it can be seen on most parts of world...we may call it history but just because collective group of people believe it is history it doesnot become fact..it has to stand the test of independent scrutiny and it should be backed by archaeology...till then it is mythology...

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        Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        _________________
        Since I'm Jewish I should know.
        Jewish kids are taught the Torah as part of school history.

        Is American history myth too.

        1. literarychimp profile image60
          literarychimpposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Its part myth part truth, the same way a cup of coffee is part water, part coffee beans. Just the Torah is considerably more caffeinated than even the most biased American historian.

          O and Greek one Im looking forward to when hubspages brings thousands of years of mankinds search for knowledge to an end . Have you any idea what adds would be  appropriate?!!

          1. Greek One profile image77
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            http://www.ed-tab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/viagra-impotence-cure.jpg

            "... Because there's now nothing else left to do but each other"

            1. literarychimp profile image60
              literarychimpposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thats genius man thanks. Religion is the viagra of the people, party on.

    20. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

      So we all agree then.. the Greek Orthodox interpretation of Jesus is correct, and every other theory is wrong

      FINALLY!...  a resolution!

      Next topic.. will the Toronto Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup this year...

      1. schoolgirlforreal profile image75
        schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        whatever yous say lol as long as it's peaceful

    21. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago

      And New Zealand will win the Rugby World Cup smile

      1. literarychimp profile image60
        literarychimpposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, you will convert the all blacks to Christianity and in the spirit of  Christian charity they will let Ireland win the world cup. ok?

      2. pennyofheaven profile image82
        pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Woo Hoo! Yes I hope they do!

     
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