jump to last post 1-4 of 4 discussions (45 posts)

Jesus, time traveller or man ahead of his time?

  1. profile image0
    luabuposted 6 years ago

    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/4255677.jpg
    I have studied this man more than any other person in history?
    Your guess is as good as mine?

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting. As you have studied him so extensively - would you mind providing me with a dozen or so contemporary references to him please? I have been unable to find any.

      1. profile image0
        luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Your guess is as good as mine?
        that's what i said /that's what i meant

        I have studied this man more than any other person in history?
        this is what i said/this does not mean that i am in any way highly educated
        sorry for giving that impression

        good up front challenge mark
        to be honest i take the new testament and the acts of the apostles in the bible
        i visualise the incidents/think and re think
        what would you call this self thought?
        i like famous peoples lives ie St Patrick /St Francis etc and i again re think their motives and lives
        i've tried to answer your question honestly now what about having a go at the question at the top of the page?

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So - you have read the bible then? Reflecting on the contents of the bible is not something I would consider to be "studying the man."

          Jesus the person did not exist. It is a construct to allow you to explore your psyche and improve yourself. Accepting Jesus Christ as your savior allows you to become Christ-like if you so wish and are prepared to be born again.

          Thinking of Jesus as an actual person who did something for you is a mistake and has been the root cause of many conflicts because you miss the point entirely which is that - You need to do the work. Most self-professed Christians take the easy peasy "I am OK Jack," option and never even understand what they are supposed to be following, and certainly do not actually become born again - they just say the words. One of our fellow hubbers has written an excellent explanation here:

          http://hubpages.com/hub/New-Born-Babies … -Jerusalem

          1. profile image0
            luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            hi Mark
            are we talking about the same Jesus
            the guy i'm talking about lived about 2000yrs ago near Jerusalem
            he said be like a  child if you want to come to me
            what jesus are you talking about
            sorry for the misunderstanding here
            we got our wires crossed
            luabu

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No - we did not get our wires crossed.

              Dismissing my opinion in that fashion after you specifically asked me for it is downright rude. sad

          2. profile image0
            luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            So - you have read the bible then? Reflecting on the contents of the bible is not something I would consider to be "studying the man."

            that 's what you said

            the new testament was the closest to a contemporary reference i would find
            sorry

            then you say    you need to do the work

            are you trying to put barbed wire around this man to stop us from having a look/ are you some sort of riot police/maybe even a roman?

            jesus said something like this

            Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.
            Luke 11:52

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I am trying to show you the path he opened for you. You are the one who is choosing not to enter by not doing any work.

              Yes - I agree there are no contemporary references to this man. So - you have "studied the man," through twelfth hand accounts written by people with a vested interest in showing you the wrong path. Which is why you are now accusing me of being a roman while reading the Roman's  book. Ironic.

              1. profile image0
                luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                maybe  have a little lie down or something mark your'e probably just tired

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Ah - back to being rude and condescending when faced with something you do not understand. Christians tend to do that a lot I notice. sad

                  1. profile image0
                    luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    hi mark
                                   if i were name calling me i'd call me a jesus freak /ie a man obsessed with a man called jesus
                                   if you called me a christian you would probably miss me completely
                                     there you go persecuting christians again /you are definately a roman
                    i'll leave the last word for you if you want it/too much tit for tat for me
                    we could both do this all day /waste of time
                    luabu

    2. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      From a Christian prospective ... 
         It is said that God  IS  the beginning and IS  the end;  which says that he is not bound by time as we understand it.

        Which would mean that he is a time traveler if and when he so chose to be.

         If we believe that God  IS  Alpha and  IS  Omega? 
      What other answer could be possible to the question than YES.

        Such a simple answer and yet this answer opens up an unlimited variety of possibilities.??

      1. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        When one believes in myths and superstitions, one is in no need of any other answers at all. smile

        1. Jerami profile image78
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          SOMETIMES  yesterdays truths become todays so called myths
                           AND.............

            SOMETIMES   todays fantacy becomes tomorrows experiences.
            So truth as everyone precieves it, depends entirely upon which time and space we find ourself in.

          1. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, for example, we find many of the myths and superstitions embraced by believers long ago are still embraced by believers today. Seems, it depends more on thinking and understanding than time and space. smile

            1. Jerami profile image78
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I am posatice that all atheists are not as one track minded as you appear to be.

                Why do you keep insisting that all believes believe the same things.

              1. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Is there some reason you feel the need to attack me personally rather than stick to the subject matter?



                Where do I insist that, Jerami? smile

                1. Jerami profile image78
                  Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  YOU wrote   ...Yes, I understand how believers confuse believing with thinking as they have no capacity for thinking and make the false assertion everyone else is like them.
                  - - - - -
                    As in your statement above,   You do not see where you group all believers in the same basket?    If I believed that I would think  ...  So Sad. 

                      But I do not believe that you do not see;  so I think ...
                  Ssooo  SAD.

                2. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  His statement was not an attack on you personally. It was an attack on your behavior/actions. He is describing, what your actions/behavior appears to him as- one tracked mind.

                  If you find it an insult, then he must have been speaking the truth.

                  1. profile image0
                    luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    hi cagsil
                    good to see you here
                    i'm  with jerami here /he thought this question had legs
                    lets say he believed that jesus was a man ahead of his time /like for example leonardo da vinci  / thats not myth or mystery
                    beelzedads comments in this case would seem slightly unreasonable and i would end up disagreeing with you .
                    what about an opinion cagsil /timetraveller or what?

                  2. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks for adding to the personal insults. smile

        2. profile image0
          luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          beelzedad  /jesus is an historical fact  /right?

      2. profile image0
        luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        good answer /one for time traveller possibllity /
        keeping it real  jerami

    3. profile image66
      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus son of man as he proclaimed in Bible and the Christians mistook him god or son of god; they are just mythical.

      1. profile image0
        luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        what about an historical fact/paarsurrey ?

      2. profile image0
        luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        sorry paarsurrrey
        jerami -one for time traveller maybe   
        put me down for open to suggestions
        paarsurrey  / a man probably a good man
        thanks for opinion /i didn't get it the first time/in truth i didn't listen correctly
        apologies
        luabu

      3. pisean282311 profile image58
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        @paar may be muslim mistook christ and christ is actually what christians say he was....how about that?...

        1. profile image66
          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Prove it, please?

        2. profile image0
          luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hi pisean
          paarsurrey says definately man /i say don't know/does the top statement strike a note with any of your beliefs or is it too far off base for you to contribute to this thread

          Jesus, time traveller or man ahead of his time?

          will time travel ever be possible?
          is this question a poisoned chalice?
          luabu

    4. pennyofheaven profile image82
      pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe he was both or none? l

      1. profile image0
        luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        i'll put you down for a definately maybe not  pennyofheaven

        1. pennyofheaven profile image82
          pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Haha, nothing is definite, luabu. Especially with me!

  2. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 6 years ago

    The Son of God.
    (not the picture)

    1. profile image0
      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      the picture is from the Shroud of Turin Reconstruction
      aka-dj is right/just a visual stimulant and not something to get hung up on
      thanks aka-dj for sorting this out early in the thread
      the  shroud of Turin is for another day/and another hub
      the picture is good in that it is not a real person but it kinda might be someone/ a bit like our discussion
      just a visual stimulant
      luabu

      1. Rishy Rich profile image80
        Rishy Richposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If you think that the Shroud of Turin is truly from Jesus, then it is highly possible that we might find his DNA in that. Are you ready to accept that we might be able to Clone the Son of god with those DNA?

        (Just a thought)

        1. profile image0
          luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          just a visual stimulant is what i said
          the turin shroud is there for any hubber that wants it
          it was either that or one of the movie pics /mel gibson or someone
          i don't know what jesus looked like
          i know he was a man/died about 30/ lived in Nazareth/contemporary of roman occupation in that area under ponscious pilate/an historical fact

    2. profile image0
      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hi aka-dj
      you said

      The Son of God.
      (not the picture)

      i agreed with the picture comment and tried to explain it

      is there any thing in the top question that you could reference your son of God statement to or is it too off base for your beliefs regarding Jesus

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    I met Jesus yesterday and he said he was a time traveller.

    1. profile image0
      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      another one for time traveller
      do you think that time travel is possible
      are you a doctor who fan?
      luabu

      who asked you in here anyway ? uninvited  writer

  4. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Jesus was a man ahead of his time, who was murdered/executed, for what today is no crime, due to rights of free speech.

    Blasphemy? It's absurd. It's absurd because there is no god to blasphemy against.

    Jesus' teachings were not religious, as far as aspects of a god. His teachings were in metaphoric parables, which he used to code his teachings to appear as religion, so he would be able to do his work. If it was found that Jesus was not teaching only religion to his followers, but something else, then it could threaten all ruler-ship of all lands, because chaos would ensue.

    Jesus was most certainly a man ahead of his time. His understanding of How to live life? Could be universal for peace, but the continuation of the OT must die for that to happen.

    Those who studied religion, some use it for their own benefit, corrupt Jesus' original message, which was derived from Love, Compassion and Mercy. Love thyself and others- Have compassion and mercy for those who do not know how. His work teachings of the God within- YOU as the individual to be God in your own life, through self mastery- control thoughts and actions.

    That's my take on it from studying on said topic. smile

    Edit: There is no god. The OT is the false god Jesus specifically warned his followers about. It's amazing people still think "God" is external, when Jesus claimed "God within".

    1. profile image0
      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      cagsil /alot in this
      late here in the emerald isle and i want to give this attention tomorrow thanks

    2. profile image0
      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      cagsil
      you have good points here i think
      you have placed jesus in an historical context which makes him real
      beelzedad needs to get his logical head around this and bring some good stuff to the table
      maybe he thinks that the past  is not real /i don't know
      he can talk for himself/

      the idea that Jesus is not really teaching the people religion at all is very interesting
      he uses the mantle of religous instruction to avoid the accucation of subversion/ good idea
      it would explain how the romans ignore him as just another jew talking at the street corner about their gods
      it would explain the hostility he received constantly from the established jewish church of the time/they made it their mission to catch him out

    3. profile image0
      luabuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      love compassion mercy  / your right /cagsil /thats what he was teaching
      in an ugly world he was a beacon of hope for the poor and the downtrodden

      i'll put you down for Jesus being

      a man ahead of his time

      we're going nicely now
      thanks Cagsil

 
working