Just curious why you can't say Merry Christmas anymore? I have never got upset when someone said Happy Hanukkah. The way I see it, someone is just wishing good times based on whatever their background is. I think it's very nice.
I'm sure I'll regret the onslaught of religious debates that will posted, but this is just me being curious.
Who says you can't say this any more? I am not offended.
Wayne, it's typical beaurocratic bs and pc. Someone said they were offended by Merry Christmas because it held a religious connotation so now the entire country has to abide by some idiotic rule. At least in government circles. The rest of us can and should do as we please. I'm so sick of pc.
Merry Christmas and Happy Winter Solstice to you Mark!
Of course you can say Merry Christmas. Don't be cowed by the minority of angry secularists who see any holy days as an excuse for venting their fear and intolerance.
Being tolerant and inclusive is fearful and INtolerant in your mind? Hopefully, you get a dictionary for Christmas. The only fear and intolerance expressed during this season has come from evangelical Christians.
"Being tolerant and inclusive is fearful and INtolerant in your mind?"
I don't think you read what I wrote very carefully.
You can say Merry Christmas all you want... I have yet to run into anyone who was every offended by it. The perceived offense has been vastly overstated.
It seems this report relates a homo-phobic segment of the human Society.
Wishing you all a very happy christmas.
I am Muslim and I find absolutely nothing wrong with saying "Merry Christmas" as a matter of fact, Merry Christmas and happy new year to you all.
Wayne, to be very honest I think it is trivial for the government and politicians to try to standardise anything and by this I mean how does "Happy holidays" really work for people who might actually have spent the days off meeting people they do not want to and slavering over dinner, which they are too tired to eat?
For any one who says it is a culture sensitive thing, well honestly, I wish every one, just about every thing. Christmas, Diwali, Hanuka, Eid, Father's day, Mother's day, Valentine day, friendship day... (I think you get the point).
Besides, while culture sensitivity is a good thing, when in Rome you act how Romans do.
If any non Muslim were to be in Pakistan at the time of Eid, everyone would greet them with "Eid Mubarak", which means "Merry Eid". The idea is to be happy people!
I believe that our lives are already full of worries and problems, so if every once in a while we find an excuse to be happy for other or better yet WITH others, than what possibly could be the harm? Surely God, would not mind people having a peaceful meeting.
As for people well, really I rather not talk about people because people can be trivial. It is always important to see the big picture.
For those of you who have a problem with "Merry Christmas", the next time you have a birthday, none of us will say "Happy birthday", to you because it is YOUR birthday not mine.
(I would like to see some one top that debate, lol. I should really try to write smaller answers... Sheesh.)
MERRY CHRISTMAS and i don't care who takes offense to it.
The name CHRIST is offensive to those who are governed by the Anti-CHRIST spirit, which is rampant in the world today. That's why some people would prefer to say Happy Holidays or Merry X-mas instead of Merry CHRISTmas. Anything other than Merry Christmas. They don't want to profess CHRIST in any positive light or give glory to Him in any way.
His name is a rock of offense, a stumbling stone to those who walk in darkness.
1 Peter 2:6-8
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
Yes, they follow Satan instead of Christ, and no prizes for anyone who can guess who they are.
I can guess who they are: anyone narrow minded and mean enough to be intolerant of another's religion even if they belong to a religion of their own or not. Amen.
Different customs and words have meanings behind them, yet to be most trutful when some one says a nice greeting you want to interchange the kind jester, and you do.
Most people know the story of Hitler, what was, his, greeting , was it a good one, or was it a bad one that also requested your response ?
If you did not do his repeated words you were killed. The point is while people think words are
Innocent they carry alot of weight and support to Ideas, basically they are saying join me in my activities even by greetings.
Not to stand up in word may seem to be a small thing .
But a great thing to God if we consider his feelings.
It's because of the Muslims, they are the only religion who is intolerant and offended by other religions and their holidays. They want to enforce their Sharia Law, and convert everyone, and don't care dying in the process. They are offended by MERRY CHRISTMAS... so I say we should MERRY CHRISTMAS all over the internet.
I have has hateful things said to me as an atheist many time, by Christians. Despite being around Muslim people on a daily basis not one has harassed me about my lack of faith.
So you might want to check your bigoted assumptions.
Yeh, I thought the atheists were the usual suspects on that one. Not Muslims or any other religion. No offense.
psycheskinner I am so sorry that others have done this to you that are called by the name of Christ. I myself am a Child of God and in no way would jeopardize my relationship with him. Many mean well but have not the love of God within them as he tells them to have. Many do not show forth the Love to others as he shows it to us.... Quite frankly many are Holier than thou looking down on others and condemning them to hell because they are outside of the faith of Christ. But God tells us to judge within the faith and not outside of it. We are to show forth the love to all as he shows to us and by doing this all will know that we are his disciples. I will tell you this, Jesus loves you and so do I and it is him alone that changes the heart of a person. We are to be the light and allow him to be seen and not us. Jesus I don't believe treated people in such manner as many treat others today. In fact he is grieved over how many are doing that are called by his name. That is why he specifically tells us in 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Many have hidden sin lurking in their heart trying to hide it from others and especially from God... But there is no hiding place... God knows all thoughts and our very coming in and going out... He sees everything we do. What people try to hide will be revealed at his coming. Also he tells us to dwell peaceably with others. Yes I know we are to speak the truth of his word, because we are speaking the words he gave us. But many only memorize scripture and don't really know the author, therefore having their hearts far from him but profess they love him by their lips alone... It seriously goes much deeper than that. Just think about it like this... Jesus when he was on this earth didn't speak memorization of his own word, he spoke it from his heart and that also he spoke the complete truth. Many are offended at things that are spoken, but remember God convicts ones heart, to bring that person into a closer relationship with him.. He does not condemn ones heart... condemnation is not from God. Now if you do something and feel that it is wrong before you do it, that is God telling you and convicting your heart not to attempt what it is that you were or are planning to do, or later after it is done, you will feel that it was wrong. But if there is condemnation or damnation from something that has been done or in the process of being done then it is just simply not from God. Also satan will tempt us with things that seem good or look good, to snare us in his trap like a bird caught in a hunters snare. God Bless You and in some way I hope that what I have said shows you a different light than what has been shown to you. Truly with love from the heart... Yahwey's Messenger
Who says one can NOT say "Merry Christmas". A lot of people prefer to not hear that - but, no one can tell you not to say it.
A very Merry Christmas to you, Wayne.
Unless I moved out of the country without noticing or was deported by "The Donald" at least here in New Jersey nobody is prohibiting me from saying Merry Christmas nor has anybody I've said it to punched me in the face the only place I believe there is in effect a war on christmas is in Bill Oreillyland or Sean Hannityland.
I don't believe this PC nonsense on a "War Against Christianity" that people like Fox News and Neo conservatives want to believe is happening in America. I know many families who have a Jewish spouse and a Christian one, and they celebrate both Christmas and Hanukkah. Many don't celebrate any of them as religious holidays at all, just ones of good will, where we take the time to let others know how much we appreciate them.
When you listen to many Christmas carols, you hear Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Season's Greetings, etc. What difference does it make? They are all expressions of Goodwill. I know a lot of Christians who have grown away from the Church, but they still celebrate Christmas. It's become whatever families want it to be. If there are people in your community who celebrate Hanukkah or Kwanzaa, most will have decorations displayed for all of them. I fail to see any problem here. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone!
Like many who have posted, I don't think that people really find "Merry Christmas" offensive. Those who claim so seem to be the ones who are offended by the very thought of someone NOT saying it. It's silly. I say Merry Christmas if I feel like it, but I also say Happy Holidays to be all inclusive of Christmas and New Year's (maybe even Thanksgiving early in the holiday season). And why would anyone force "Merry Christmas" on someone who didn't celebrate Christmas just to push their own agenda? I find the fact that this is even a topic of discussion as ridiculous as I find some people's perceptions.
There is nothing offensive about saying Merry Christmas. That is an interpretation by Christians who refuse to accept that saying Merry Christmas is not the only option. Some find saying Happy holidays a better alternative than saying Merry Christmas.
Because one doesn't know what religion or belief others follow. They might be Jewish or follow some other way of life. If one doesn't know, better to say Happy Holidays than Mery Christmas.
While Christianity was the domininant religion for a long time, and while December was associated with Christmas for a long time, that simply isn't like that anymore. Some people simply don't believe in gods anymore. Others come from dfferent traditions and have other holidays.
This makes it difficult for business (which is the biggest influencer in how the world sees things). While half a century ago, most of their clients would have been Christians so it was fine to say "Merry Christmas," today that simply isn't the case. Millions of peole celebrate Hannukay and/or Kwaanza. It would cost a bucket full of money to address each holiday separately. So they simply say "Happy Holidays."
It's means that they won't offend people who aren't Christians.
Quite honestly, the only people who are offended by this are Christians. They need to grow up and accept that other people have different belief systems and it's not a matter of Merry Christmas offending. It's a matter of Happy Holidays being the easier and cheaper choice.
Curiosity is an excellent thing indeed. There is nothing wrong w/saying Merry Christmas. After all, Christmas is such a magnificently beautiful season. Say Merry Christmas all you want!!!
I've wondered the same thing in the past...so...
MERRY CHRISTMAS WAYNE!!!
Merry Christmas Wayne.
It is only the activists that seem to mind…
Yeah...Merry Christmas! I've been wondering why the Americans say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas...
I'm agnostic, and I've never been offended by "Merry Christmas". I also don't know why people get upset when someone says "Happy Holidays" instead. Holiday means "holy day", so it recognizes the religious influence of the seasons while covering Christmas and Hanukkah at the same time. I use "Happy Holidays" when I know or have reason to believe the person I'm addressing is not a Christian.
It just doesn't make sense to directly address a non-Christian with "Merry Christmas". The term could be paraphrased as "have a joyful time celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ". Is that really something you would say to a Buddhist? Would you feel comfortable if they greeted you with "celebrate the life and teachings of Supreme Buddha Siddhartha Guatama"?
I agree with you, DB Cooper,
If you know someone well enough to know that they aren't a Christian, then it wouldn't make sense to wish them a Merry Christmas.
That being said, I tend to think the media makes a much bigger issue of all this than the regular folks do. I've never known anyone of a different faith who expressed offense at the fact that casual acquaintances or strangers say Merry Christmas to them.
As a nurse, i've also worked in places where not only did Jewish workers not complain about Christmas decorations, they VOLUNTEERED to work on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day so their Christian co-workers could have the holiday off.
To be honest I'd be mildly fascinated,since it is an uncommon greeting from round these parts
Merry Christmas Everyone
Why would anyone be offended? I don't get offended if someone tells me "Happy Hanukkah"
It's their own way of saying "Best wishes to you".
Saying "Happy Holidays" is a little bit less of a mouthful than saying "Merry Christmas and/or Happy Hanukkah and/or Joyous Kwanzaa and/or Felicitous Solstice and/or Enjoyable Festivus."
As you can tell, I'm not particularly offended by anyone wishing anyone else well. Some people need to relax and enjoy Christmas (or whatever) and not make it into another social battle.
I have been told to have a merry christmas from Muslims, while they were giving me a christmas present with chrismassy wrapping. They did not seem to be offending themselves by getting in the spirit of the season, and I was not offended either. I do not think many people really find merry christmas offensive. I do know that a few years back some town changed their Christmas festival to a winter-fest festival as a marketing ploy. It worked too. People were shocked that Christmas was offensive to people, debated the political correctness madness and such, all the while giving said festival a huge boost in public awareness.
You are wishing me joy!?!?!
How dare you!
I am sooo offended!
It's not offensive. It's mildly insensitive when addressed to people who you do not know are Christians.
To me, it's simply the mark of a slightly ignorant or uncaring person. It doesn't make me angry or imagine that they are on their way to drown kittens; it's just a small example of cultural insensitivity.
Some people just get carried away with enthusiasm, too. I might enjoy their enthusuasm while still thinking they ought to know better.
The only time I really object is when it is used aggressively by Christians who stupidly think there is a "war against Christmas" and their really NOT friendly greeting is part of the battle. THOSE people disgust me, but of course you wouldn't know they have such an agenda unless you knew much more about them.
I have a friend who makes it a point to loudly wish me a "merry Xmas!" this time of year. He's doing it to be funny. That's OK, too.
Oh, and Merry Christmas to you, since plainly you don't object.
It's not insensitive at all. Wishing someone a Merry Christmas is saying "I hope you and your loved ones have a great time during this period, which happens to be a Christian holiday".
Similarly, during Diwali this year, a co-worker of mine made a big thing of it and wished us all a Happy Diwali as she offered us all some of the Indian food she'd made herself and brought in for us all to enjoy. Using the logic of your post, we should all have kindly rejected her gift and well wishes and in our minds felt disbelief at her cultural insensitivity as none of us are Hindu or Sikh.
If someone wishes me well during a period of their cultural/religious festivities I'd feel very grateful and flattered that they'd included me in their celebrations. I'd never feel they were "slightly ignorant or an uncaring person". Just like people shouldn't when I wish them a Merry Christmas.
Thinking like yours makes the world a miserable place to live in.
The way I see if you are offended by " Merry Christmas " it is not because someone attacked you. It is because you choose to be offended. The PC stuff is completely out of whack these days ! But Merry Christmas one and all ! Even my Jewish cousins don't get offended.
Its political correctness gone nuts!!!
I mean here in britain we can not say Christmas Lights - its festive lights now because it can offend those who are not christian.
I agree with some of the political correctness terms when it does come down to hate speech, and bigotry towards anyone, as I loathe and hate racism.
But how can saying Merry Christmas be offensive?
I suppose if this does carryon eventually you will be unable to say hello to some one because you may offend some one who does not speak English!
Merry Christmas Everyone !!!!!!
I suppose if this does carryon eventually you will be unable to say hello to some one because you may offend some one who does not speak English!
I've never encountered or even heard a credible report of a person being offended by being wished a Merry Christmas. I have however encountered "Christians" who have childish hissy fits when being greeted with "happy holidays".
Whenever I am faced with serious moral dilemmas such as which greeting to offer or accept, I apply WWJD reasoning. I believe that if one of the apostles had wished Jesus "happy holidays", he would have stomped that mother-f***er within inches of his life, shoved a fully decorated Douglass fir up his rectum, and said "Merry Christmas" bitch!
So go ahead, I dare ANY of you to wish me Happy Holidays this year.
It was NOT a Douglas fir! It was a Noble!
Only in the American standard version. The KJV - the only TRUE word of God says Douglass. Look it up, your salvation hangs in the balance.
I stand corrected and burn in an eternal flame of shame.
I don't think it's offensive at all. I also think most people don't find it offensive. I think that the kind of people who find it offensive would find a lot of things offensive. I think it has more to do with their own insecurity than anything else. I also think many politically correct things are totally rediculous. This is one of them.
Bottom line is no one can tell from just looking at someone what they believe. Some people in order to avoid this situation will wish others, "Happy Holidays."
Strangely, I dislike "Happy Holidays" because I think it is 'politically correct' motivated.
No, I'm not Christian. But I think it's really nice if someone does wish me Happy Christmas. It sort of includes me in the family...
The problem is that everyone doesn't understand the true meaning of christmas -
Merry - is bengali for 'buy more'
christmas is swahili for 'at Wallmart'
toyou is pistaker for 'you plonker'
I believe the mind set of the person wishing and the person recieving may be i different places, however, the sentament is for all of God's creatures to be kind and understanding of each persons so called "ignorance". The reason for the season is to bring all families together for a celebration of lfe and to remember from whence we came. I know that sounds sappy!!!
Kindness will heal this world. Love will bring us peace.
So at the great risk of offence to anyone: MERRY CHRISTMAS
HAPPY NEW YEAR AND MAY YOU FIND LOVE AND JOY IN THE DAYS AND YEARS TO COME. GOD bless us all. We have a great need for it in these troubled times.
Merry Christmas to all!
Not too long ago I was working at a certain chain restaurant and wasn't "supposed" to say Merry Christmas. While I've heard some people get offended, I've never witnessed it. So far I still haven't seen anyone being offended. Thanks everyone!
A lot of musical Jews are making big bucks on recording Christmas music. And they've been doing it for decades. They don't have any trouble wishing anyone a Merry Christmas, singing about the baby Jesus and about Santa bringing presents to all the poor, deserving children of the world.
I think the political correctness crap about the holiday season was pushed pretty hard by the media. I think most people are fine with "Merry Christmas."
Christmas is mostly a generic term for "presents" in most people's vernacular anyway. Even Christians can't resist the urge to go into debt yearly buying themselves to death, despite their rattlings about the birth of the Savior. You take from Christmas what you want from it. Nothing wrong with wishing anyone a Merry Christmas.
So Happy Hannukka!
Musical Jews? Is that a game where 9 people dance around 8 Jews until the music stops?
Sounds like you already have a marketing plan, Ron. But I'm not familiar with the game you describe.
Lots of musical Jews we admire, and rightfully so:
Barbara Streisand and Bette Midler just to name a couple.
Musical chairs is a children's game where a number of children dance around that same number -1 of chairs while music is playing. When the music stops children scramble for a chair, the child who doesn't get one is thrown out into the snow; sometimes to be eaten by wolves.
Musical Jews reminded me of the game.
Oh, Ron - that made me laugh out loud - literally! My dogs think I'm choking and are attempting the hiney-lick maneuver! Down, Hamlet! Down, Grendel!!
Sadly Daniel Carter is correct - Christmas is synonymous with presents.
In our diversity training and correctness, I think we took the wrong fork in the road. Acceptance should be to accept the person and not take the words as an offense. Enjoy the warmth and smile of the person, no matter the words, the color of the skin, the religion.
Kennedy moved the blacks from the back of the bus to the front and inter mingled our society with true diversity.
Christmas should return as politically acceptable.
An open society should accept Christmas. To me, it means Christ not presents but I don't wish to force my beliefs, I just want my beliefs accepted as much as the "holidays" are accepted.
"Merry Christmas" should not offend a truly open society.
I have no problem with political correctness... some of the time, but I say Merry Christmas and anybody who is offended by it can just suck it up and deal with it. What I'm celebrating is December 25th and that is Christmas Day. There is nothing generic about that specific date. It's not "Happy Holiday Day."
There should be nothing wrong or offensive about anyone saying Merry Christmas. I have Christmas trees in my home and I send out Christmas cards to my friends and loved ones, none of whom are offended by Christmas.
I refuse to be told what I can and can't say, and I'm especially tired of overly sensitive people who are offended by everything. I find them offensive and rude.
The list of what can't be said because there might be somebody somewhere who finds it offensive is growing to be about the size as Jacob Marley's chain. For those of you who might not know who Jacob Marley is, read Charles Dickens' A CHRISTMAS CAROL. Are we going to change the name to A HOLIDAY CAROL now because someone might be offended?
Celebrate whatever holidays you wish, but call them by what they are and not some vague, generic, supposedly inoffensive term and liberate yourself form PC tyranny!
Giving others the same respect you ask for is PC tyranny? I hope you get a big box of civility for X-mas.
It is not offensive, some people/groups just want to be more inclusive.
I think it is because there are so many religions out there and they all want to be the "right" religion. I dont think it matters who you say merry christmas to or happy hannukka to or happy holidays to someone is bound to be offended but in all reality we are simply wishing them well on their endeavors at celebrating whatever it is they celebrate this time of year. I dont think that merry christmas happy holiday happy hannukka or any other variety of those phrases should be taken offensivly.
For addressing people I don't know, I prefer to say Happy Holidays because I don't know what holiday they'll be celebrating (unless, of course, I see them with Christmas items)
For people I do know, it's Merry Christmas! (because I don't know anyone who doesn't celebrate Christmas)
HAPPY HOLIDAYS & MERRY CHRISTMAS!
for some reason they prefer happy christmas here in Ireland, do not ask me why........ happy holidays
I say 'Merry Christmas'. If someone has a problem with it, I change it to 'Go to Hell!'
That's kind of stupid on your part. If they don't celebrate Christmas they probably don't believe in Hell. Maybe try "go to church!"
Just finished my Christmas shopping - and nobody, today, said Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, or Happy Hannukah or Happy Kwanza or even a Season's Greetings!
I am shocked!
I don't recall hearing anyone saying anything about being told "Merry Christmas"...I have heard people complaining about being told "Happy Holidays" though. you can please some of the people all of the time...Most of the people some of the time...but you can't please all the people all the time...( forget who said this)
Why is it offensive?! In England we accept everyone, us English adapt to different cultures and respect them in our country! If we went to a different country and said what they were saying was offensive, they wouldnt care. We are so foolish to change our traditions for others, they dont change theres and they shouldnt. We arent even allowed to do the traditional Nativity play. I dont know and will probably never meet someone who is offended by the words Happy Christmas. Whats next?
Secondly, we shouldnt say happy holidays, were not American!
Anyone who knows the reason why it 'could' be offensive, please enlighten me!
Happy Christmas everyone for next month!
As do Americans. There is nothing offensive in wishing someone a happy holiday, whatever holiday they observe. I would assume you've got a variety of people, as we do. Are you saying no one in the UK is uptight and easily offended?
ah im sorry i didnt mean for it to sound 'only the english only do this'. Im sure America is the similar, but i only speak for Britian as i know more about where i live than anywhere else.
In England we have many laws, regulations and obligations that we have to follow so every culture and most religions are valued. England is a christian country and we shouldnt change what we call events or anywhere else for that matter. And to answer your question, of course you get those sorts of people everywhere in the world. I just wondered how it could even be classified as offensive
I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't atheists that were formerly Christian who are offended. Perhaps it makes them feel guilty or brings up bad memories? It shouldn't be an issue. If someone says , "May Allah be with you", I smile because the intention is very good.
X-mas is the most celebrated festival and is the season of joy and sharing. It's time that time spent with family and friends, sparkling lights and cheerful decor gifts. Christmas is for love and share gifts and cards has become a kind of universal way to communicate joy and good wishes.
<a href="http://www.wishespoint.com/christmas-wishes/christmas-saying/">Christmas Saying Wishes</a>
Another way to see it from another side is assumptions can be unthoughful, calling people mrs, when they are not married or divoice , telling people I will call you after work
When you do have a Job, or fired,
Your invited to to a restaurant, but you are expected to pay your tab, there is no money in your pockets,
You have lost a loved one ! And hours later some one says marry Christmas.
Even though they are cheerful, in a good mood
The people you encounter may have another experience going on, we should not assume everyone is like ourself, it does not mean they
Are unloving or unkind, but their happiness comes in a different form.
For those looking to be offended, trying for it, offense is always easy to find. For the rest, the kindness of the thought is what is accepted, not the offense originating in the listener.
I do not think people in general are looking to be offended just because another person feels like quoting their good words, I agree that was the entention of being nice kind. But the response should be genuine, not phony. To be truthful is more valuble then pretending, I think that we can say have a nice day, rather that be the case or not it is considerate it covers most anyone's lifestyle.
Yes, we could all say "Have a nice day", diluting and eventually destroying the large part of what makes the Christmas so wonderful.
Thanks, but I will stay with "Merry Christmas!" to any and all and let the chips fall where they may. Should a listener become offended by a cheerful greeting for the season, they will do so.
Christmas comes from the belief of celebrating Jesus birthday, his birth is not listed for a good reason , also this date also is mixed in with the worship of the lunar sun god. Mixed by decrees.
For all good puropses, people need to do more research on the subject, I believe me and you have had discussions about God's existence. So in all truth the words would have no meaning.
For some Christmas does indeed happen from a belief in Jesus' birthday. It is almost certainly not the actual day (no one knows when that was), but that's all right and doesn't matter at all. Nor does it matter that it has become mixed with traditions from both Yalda (birth of Mithra) and Saturnalia (older Roman celebration).
But for others, Christmas is a time of family, giving and love. More than enough meaning to wish a "Merry Christmas" to friends and strangers alike. Christmas is what a celebrant will make of it, and it is not the prerogative of anyone else to decide for everyone what the celebration is about. Should you be interested, there are hubs on my carousel about both the historical origins of Christmas and the true meaning of Christmas.
This is a discussion about the words , what people are convinced to do is left up to them
But the point of my comment is to address that
In all truth , these word have a root that really does not connected in truth.
Why you say it does not matter , to others it does.
Why you say true there is false infomation here it does not matter and no one should say different.
To you for you that is fine, but do not assume
All people think like you.
All things matter.
Does it really matter? Does the fact that the date was deliberately chosen to coincide with pagan celebrations rather than His birthday mean it wasn't about Christ? Do the traditions (pine boughs, giving, family) that came from Saturnalia make the holiday unacceptable in your opinion? Do the false tales from the church about the origin of Christmas trees mean the whole thing is false? That the modern Santa started as a child's poem coupled with commercial advertisements mean that you should not celebrate Christ's birthday? (Santa himself came from the church, but has changed radically over the centuries).
If so, I can only pity you and say "Merry Christmas". I shall remain happy and cheerful in this, the greatest social season of the year, while you wallow in anger and disgust at others for being happy, for sharing and loving. What people chose to believe or celebrate 1700 years ago shall not destroy my happiness, shall not destroy the wonder and magic of the children, and shall not dictate how I share my happiness with others.
Yes it does really matter , but the point I am getting at is this , if some one says they love you and do not mean it , it it valuble if it is not true. Saying things under false infomation is not right.
Truth is everthing .
Also today is marry Christmas , but tomorrow you are forgotten, one seasonal reply is based on none truth.
As you even agree.
But love with family is a year around day to day thing , one day should not define that.
Wilderness this has been and interesting chat
Please do not be offended it is just the truth.
It is your truth and I get that. But for myself, when I tell someone to have a merry Christmas, I fully mean it. I wish them happiness and joy, whether I remember them the next day or not. For the moment, it is a small effort to brighten their day - there is no need for an extended friendship from that one small moment in time. While the sentiment may or may not be accepted or reciprocated, it is genuine.
The title of this thread is 4 years old and I believe it to no longer be true. Personally, I'm not even religious, but I say Merry Christmas back and forth to folks all the time. To me it means a season of good will and being a kinder, gentler person.
I live in Australia and find less and less people who are willing to say Merry Xmas. I have been deliberately noting this and freely say Merry Xmas but often don't get the reply just " same to you". There is often a reluctance or uneasiness in their responses. Not always of course but there has been a change over the years. People here will often freely use "cheers" as a general sign off during the year but this relates to a term used with alcohol use. Sad.
Merry Xmas to all.
And a very Merry Christmas to you as well. May the season be one of gladness and cheer.
The palpable experience of good will and peace is a miraculous phenomenon associated with the spirit of JC (a being associated with the miraculous).
Many millions can observe this particulary as xmas draws closer and most particularly xmas evening and xmas morning.
Stuck a big, fat Christmas tree on my website I did. Says Merry Christmas underneath it it does.
Here it is if anyone else wants to use it. Picture is public domain.
I agree; the feeling of good will and peace is almost palpable during the Christmas season.
One may attribute it to something miraculous out of the Christian religion, one may attribute it to some kind of positive feedback, Karma or what they had for breakfast. It doesn't matter, and any answer (or no answer at all) is as good as another. It is there, and the replies of "Bah! Humbug!" to a "Merry Christmas" can safely be set aside and ignored; not allowed to interfere with that wonderful feeling.
I put it to you that it is in fact a miraculous phenomena and proof that JC existed as a miraculous Being of Peace. Such things are both subtle and powerful and easy to miss if we don't tune ourselves into it by opening our mind and heart just a fraction.
A very special and merry Xmas to you Wilderness.
I think the idea that "Merry Christmas" is offensive is an utter red herring. Some people and institutions choose to be inclusive of those celebrating Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, or a secular vacation. Others do not. That's all. People who are not Christian are too used to be treated as Christan to be very offended. The reverse, apparently not so much.
From an email I received...
A Little Christmas Story
When four of Santa’s elves got sick, the trainee elves did not produce toys as fast as the regular ones, and Santa began to feel the Pre-Christmas pressure.
Then Mrs. Claus told Santa her Mother was coming to visit, which stressed Santa even more.
When he went to harness the reindeer, he found that three of them were about to give birth and two others had jumped the fence and were out, Heaven knows where.
Then when he began to load the sleigh, one of the floorboards cracked, the toy bag fell to the ground and all the toys were scattered.
Frustrated, Santa went in the house for a cup of apple cider and a shot of rum. When he went to the cupboard, he discovered the elves had drunk all the cider and hidden the liquor. In his frustration, he accidentally dropped the cider jug, and it broke into hundreds of little glass pieces all over the kitchen floor. He went to get the broom and found the mice had eaten all the straw off the end of the broom.
Just then the doorbell rang, and an irritated Santa marched to the door, yanked it open, and there stood a little angel with a great big Christmas tree.
The angel said very cheerfully, “Merry Christmas, Santa. Isn’t this a lovely day? I have a beautiful tree for you. Where would you like me to stick it?”
And so began the tradition of the little angel on top of the Christmas tree.
Not a lot of people know this.
This no doubt is an oldie but a goodie, but I couldn't resist.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/RDZu04v7_hc 28 seconds
Whoever does not say Merry Christmas to someone, at least once this season, could very possibly find a lump of coal in their Christmas stocking on Christmas morning!
Either certain areas are trying to prevent people from saying Merry Christmas as some religions (or least some of the people within them will find it offensive). Or someone is trying to cause unrest.
It's certainly working as only one shop keeper has said it this year even if they are all wearing Xmas jumpers and hats!
But, in my view people should not be prevented from saying it for religious freedom reasons, and just because so many just enjoy Xmas even if not that religious. Also, celebrating the winter solstice/Xmas is also a long tradition.
It is more likely that this comes from a minority or spineless bureaucrats and politicians though than any particular religious group as a whole.
Me, I just say, happy.... to which ever comes up whether it be Pagan, Jewish, Muslims, Chinese new year etc, etc
So Merry Christmas and have a healthy, happy and prosperous New Year everyone.
It is all a religious debate. People can't seem to just let people do what they want to do. I don't understand why it really matters who says what anyway. If I want to say "Merry Christmas" and you want to say "Happy Hanukkah" so be it. But people like to cause problems.
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