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Does Anyone Agree with the God Hates Fags Group?

  1. Hotplate profile image61
    Hotplateposted 6 years ago

    Does anyone really take these people seriously?

    1. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Unfortunately, there are those who take these people seriously, and they are right here on these forums, passively and wholeheartedly agreeing. smile

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Name a few with evidence please.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I retract my previous statement, your honor, but humbly request my esteemed colleague grant me audience when the evidence does present itself for questioning and criticism? smile

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't agree with anyone who has a belief in a fictional god. So, I guess I would have to say no. wink

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        exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        that is OK

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I know it's okay. I didn't need you or your post to let me know that it was okay. hmm

          1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
            Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It's okay that you didn't need his affirmation.

            1. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And your point Jeff? wink

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            exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            cag I am sorry I offended you by saying it is OK instead of differing with you, I will try not to do that again

            1. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You could have left it alone, yet you opened your mouth. Oddly enough, your posting is almost the same type mimicked by trolls? hmm

              As for offending me..you couldn't on your best day. wink

              1. luvpassion profile image59
                luvpassionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hmmm...little less fuming please my eyes are starting to water. wink

    3. Paul Wingert profile image78
      Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't God' s newletter saying that he hated gays. People hate gays, not god.

      1. Jane Bovary profile image88
        Jane Bovaryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Take a look at Leviticus

        1. kerryg profile image86
          kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          God also hates bacon cheeseburgers, shellfish, and polyester/cotton blends, but I haven't seen that stopping any Christians.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Doesn't he also hate women wearing men's clothes? They used that against Joan of Arc.

          2. Jane Bovary profile image88
            Jane Bovaryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well so far as I can tell, only those things which coincide with a believer's personal moral sense/bias/prejudice are God's Will...the other stuff is apparently *cultural context* or a mis-translation.

            1. livelonger profile image88
              livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, that's often true.

              That doesn't mean all religion is meaningless garbage (not suggesting you necessarily believe that).

              1. Jane Bovary profile image88
                Jane Bovaryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No, but it does suggest two things to me Livelonger. One, that believers can use their religious texts to justify and make absolute those moral directives that fit a particular agenda - even while conveniently discarding other parts of the same text.

                And secondly, that instead of confronting those moral precepts in the holy books which are flawed (unsavoury, brutal, absurd or contradictory) and thus may throw the Divinity/goodness of their God into question, they rationalize and circumvent the issue with all sorts of elaborate intellectual contortions and excuses.

                Now I don't care too much about the second...that's their business, but the first is downright dangerous, as we can see with the likes of GHF crowd.

                1. livelonger profile image88
                  livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, that's true. I suppose tolerant religious people do that, too, except in a different direction...which, of course, suggests that a religion is not its scripture but the agreement among adherents to adhere to a certain interpretation of them. That's probably why there are so, so many of them.
                  Yes, some do. Some believe that scripture is divinely given. Others believe it was recorded by man, and thus full of the errors that primitive man was prone to make.
                  I don't see how it's any more dangerous than people doing/saying bad things with any other form of justification that makes sense to them.

                  1. Jane Bovary profile image88
                    Jane Bovaryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Well you're right that religion doesn't have a monopoly on pushing agendas, which are justified in all sorts of ways, but I think there is still a distinction to be made here.

                    I'd argue that it's the moral certainty that makes religion so prone to being a loaded gun. Secular moralities are supposed to provide some sort of a rational justification and if they're faulty then  hopefully they be shown to be faulty through reason. By contrast, a religious morality requires no justification other than *God said it*. How can you argue with that kind of certainty? How can you reason with it...?

                    The God element can really muddy the water when it comes to working out what is moral and what is not.

    4. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not that I take them seriously, but I certainly agree that christian/jewish god hates fags. Sodom is enough of a proof. smile

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That might be jumping to conclusions.
           Unless raping any unsuspecting strangers that may come into town is being gay?   There is no direct reason given for destroying Sodom and Gomorrah other than that evil had run rampant.

          That is;  As best as I can remember. ???

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          http://www.gotquestions.org/Sodom-and-Gomorrah.html - that comes third on the google search for me, after wiki and biblical archeological site. I am too lazy to dig for the actual bible text though, may be somebody will post it. Just as I remember genuine believer Lot was offering his daughters for rape instead, but the guys did not want females. I take it it would have been OK with your god if they raped girls instead, and city would have been saved. smile

          1. livelonger profile image88
            livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That's a common Christian perspective.

            The common Jewish perspective is that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was their propensity for violence, lack of hospitality towards visitors, and cruelty:
            http://www.iwgonline.org/docs/sodom.html
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_ … wish_views

            Why Lot offered up his daughters to be raped instead of the (male) angels is anyone's guess, but had the Sodomites taken Lot up on his offer, it wouldn't have made the city's inhabitants' crimes any less forgivable.

            (Note I'm not arguing for a literal reading of this story as historical fact, but the differing interpretations say something.)

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You can invent as many interpretations as you like, but for me the text clearly reads as they have been punished for homosexuality, among other things. And I am not even a neutral person, I used to be a sympathetic one for a mere fact that christianity back in the USSR was a taboo, so the premise was it should have been something good. Oh well, illusions, illusions...

              1. livelonger profile image88
                livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, and your insistence on an orthodox (no pun intended) reading of it that way is, as I've said, common among Christians, and ex-Christians, I suppose. I was raised Christian so I "get" that.

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL, I am not insisting on it, I am just saying how I read it myself. Surely everyone has their own version. Though the difference between me and those "god hates fags" guys is that I read it and said - BS, and they read it and said - The Truth. smile

                  1. livelonger profile image88
                    livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    "BS" is a completely understandable reading of the story! smile

                  2. Jane Bovary profile image88
                    Jane Bovaryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    The Bible is quite clear on what God thinks about gays. It is BS and frankly I think  there's something slippery and a bit dishonest about that third group who says "no it didn't really say that" . Or *Jesus says nothing therefore God changed His mind*. They're kidding themselves.

                    There seems to be three options here:

                    a)The Biblical God got it wrong
                    b)The Biblical God got it right
                    C)The Biblical God is not real

                    Since it's not possible for an all-knowing God to get it wrong and no rational moral argument can be made against homosexuality...any sensible, moral person would have to go with option c.

              2. Friendlyword profile image61
                Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "You can invent as many interpretations as you like, but for me the text clearly reads as they have been punished for homosexuality, among other things."

                Could those "OTHER THINGS" be little things like a little rape here, a simple murder there; or a minor case of burning and looting?

                Sodom and Gemmorah were built on unstable ground or had severe weather distubances that caused fear and anger and mayhem among the people living there. There were good people and bad people in those towns the same as every other place on this earth.

                Sodom and Gemmorah were destroyed by a natural event that killed everybody in that area. Who you were having sex with at the time had nothing to do with it.

                1. Jerami profile image77
                  Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  If the story as written in scriptures are understood to mean no more or no less that what is written,  I agree with your statement entirely, If I can understand it to mean no more or less than what you wrote.
                   
                    Too many people understand scriptures to be saying much more that they actually say.
                    I understand there to be two kinds of "sin" 
                    One kind against the Holy Ghost  and  another that is a "sin" against ourselves.
                    Anything that we do that is detrimental to ourselves is sin against our physical being.  And everyone are doing something.

                  But lets not forget...  that those things that I do, are not as bad as what everyone else is doing.  LOL

                  1. Friendlyword profile image61
                    Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    The story of sodom and Gemorrah was one a PBS station documentary. They tell you what really happen. It was explained and proven to be true. What's in the Bible is accurate to a point; then it gets dressed up a bit by the people who wrote the Bible and added their own little agendas into the story.

                2. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Fighting a straw man again? Good luck smile

      2. livelonger profile image88
        livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, not really.

    5. Onusonus profile image87
      Onusonusposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sure lots of people do but not to worry, they will all be dealt with on judgment day.

    6. donotfear profile image92
      donotfearposted 6 years ago in reply to this



      No, I do not agree with that group.

      Nor do I like the term 'fag' used in this manner.

      And I wish people would stop posting negativity in the forums which only creates division and hatefulness.

    7. AshleyRB profile image60
      AshleyRBposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God made "fags." Period.

  2. sunforged profile image64
    sunforgedposted 6 years ago

    “Prejudices are what fools use for reason.”

  3. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    God doesn't hate anyone.
    Although, people like this group definitely try His patience.

    1. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lol, and I agree!

  4. Hotplate profile image61
    Hotplateposted 6 years ago

    That's my thought.

  5. Disturbia profile image61
    Disturbiaposted 6 years ago

    This is a very sad group of people indeed and I feel sorry for them.  I can't imagine what it must be like to be so filled with hatred.  If there is a devil, they are certainly out and about doing his work.

  6. Iontach profile image87
    Iontachposted 6 years ago

    'God hates fags', is a complete lie, If God made us all, then why would he hate his own creations. Gay people are gay from birth, it's not a choice. If a Gay person decides to be 'straight' they are lying to everybody and worst of all themselves.

    Anybody who hates Gay people are hating Gods creations, therefore defying God. Anybody who supports 'God hates fags' supports HATE and worst of all, the devil.

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      exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      being gay is a choice.
      are you trying to justify youself

      1. kerryg profile image86
        kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Was being straight a "choice" for you? If it was, you might want to consider that maybe you're bisexual. If not, why on earth do you believe that being gay would be any different?

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          exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          it is everyone's choice what and who they are,
          that is called free will,
          if anyone has a problem with that, they may feel a guilty about something

          1. kerryg profile image86
            kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sexual attraction is biological, dude. You can't choose who you're attracted to, you just are. There is no free will about it.

            You can choose whether or not you act on sexual attraction, but I personally don't find it very consistent with the notion of a loving God that He would make ~10% of the population fall in love with people of the same sex and then tell them that they can never, ever act on that love.

            IMHO, it's pretty telling that Jews overwhelmingly support equal rights for gays and lesbians. The Old Testament/Torah is much harsher on homosexuality than the New (Jesus doesn't even mention it, and the references by Paul and Timothy are so vague that many people believe they refer to male prostitutes and pimps rather than homosexuals per se), so if the Jews are marrying same sex couples and ordaining gay rabbis, you'd think Christians would be miles ahead. Instead too many of us are all tangled up in medieval standards of sexual morality that regarded all sex as a moral degradation, and sex between married couples the only kind that didn't put your soul in danger (and even then, only if it was undertaken strictly for purposes of procreation). Many of these ideas were based on the teachings of Augustine, not the disciples, and certainly not Jesus!

            1. habee profile image91
              habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I agree, Kerry. That's like saying God hates someone for being born with blue eyes or with Down syndrome.

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              exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              that is garbage, God does not hate anyone
              he hates sin
              gay activity, bank robbing, getting drunk, all sin
              people murder to get their jollies at times, it is still sin
              if you choose to act on any sinful act, it is a choice
              no one has to act on their sinful lusts
              it all boils down to what someone wants
              no one has to be gay
              it is in the mind
              anyone can change their mind
              Go0d gives everyone the power to control themselves

              1. livelonger profile image88
                livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Heterosexuals engaging in homosexual sex is a choice. And that's what's prohibited in the Bible. If you believe Biblical commandments are true, then you'll believe that God hates heterosexuals engaging in homosexual sex.

                The Bible does not say anything about gay people.

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                  exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  being gay is a choice.....
                  some one may take a look at porn to see just what is there, and choose to keep looking
                  it is a choice

                  1. livelonger profile image88
                    livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Scientists and psychologists will disagree with you.

                    But your opinion can trump their studies. In your mind.

              2. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Except believers and their beliefs about homosexuality. smile

          2. Stump Parrish profile image59
            Stump Parrishposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Everyone has a choice and a lot of people could choose to be compasionate, caring, human beings but choose to be bigoted, christians instead. It amazes me how someone who has no clue about homosexuality can believe they know more about homosexuality than a homosexual does. Just seems a little arogant to me. Not to mention an entirely out of whack opinion of your intelligence.

            What leg to stand on do you, as a straight, non-scientific person have, that contridicts and disproves, the studies that have been completed and the testimony of every homosexual on the planet, that states homosexuality is not a choice? Please remove for the reconverted, deprogrammed, evangelical, we can pray you straight nut jobs, from the equation before answering.

  7. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

    they even look like hate. you know how someone looks when they're filled with love? there is a lightness and glow? I don't feel sorry for the adults,it is their choice what they believe, but I do feel very sorry for the children.

  8. Daniel Carter profile image92
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    I think LGBT people should join the God Hates Fags group. I think infiltration is a really good way to handle it. Subversion of this kind is just good karma. wink

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Great idea!

      1. psycheskinner profile image81
        psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The group is essentially on large extended family--a bit hard to infiltrate.

    2. Flightkeeper profile image79
      Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I smell a reality show.

    3. Friendlyword profile image61
      Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh yea! I like that idea! It's just that it won't work. You can't pretend to be sick and evil enough to disrupt a Soldiers funeral with hateful signs. Jesus spoke of false prophets. I didn't think they would be so obvious about it. There is no way they could influence any significant part of society. Leave them alone to swirl around in that ring of hell they're in.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Besides, they are all related smile

    4. Stump Parrish profile image59
      Stump Parrishposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Kind of hard to sneak in here, most of the church members are named Phelps, or related by marriage.

      1. Stump Parrish profile image59
        Stump Parrishposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        SRY UW, didn't see your comment before posting a repeat of it. I want to hit the lottery and move Kansas. Opening a Gay Social Club or Coffee house across the street from theie church would be entertaining.

  9. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I am not sure what everyone's definition of a faggot is.??
    To me the word sounds to be referring to the male gender?
    It also brings to my mind, promiscuity.
    For instance that word doesn't come to mind when I see a Gay couple, who are living in a committed relationship.
        But I'm no expert in the matter !
        It isn't for me to judge them,  Just know that that isn't my style.

       If the definition above is correct.

      I would think that God would look upon a fag in pretty much the same fashion as he would a Whore monger.
      Whore monger ?  I'd hate to guess how many men were at one time or another were guilty of that to some degree.
      Me for one. (once upon a time ?)
    So I don't get to throw any STONES.

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    LadyRiceposted 6 years ago

    I think this group is crazy! Every religion has a group of extremist and this is just another example of that. However, God does disapprove of their lifestyle. But God disapproves of a lot of stuff that str8 and gay people do, so I am not sure why this group is just picking on gays. If they are against ALL sin then there are a lot of other things they should be protesting against as well.

  11. Flightkeeper profile image79
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    I think they are secretly gay but don't want to admit it.  How else are they going to get gay people's attention?

    1. Stump Parrish profile image59
      Stump Parrishposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You've got a point, the more anti-gay a preacher is, the more likely they are to get busted with a rent a boy in a hotel. On a side note here, why is it that when an older man has sex with an underage girl it's statetory rape and when it's a preacher having sex with under age boys, it ain't?

    2. Julie2 profile image60
      Julie2posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I love my gays!

  12. calpol25 profile image76
    calpol25posted 6 years ago

    Looking at this god hates fags group, just makes me think what strange extremes people will goto to get on TV these days, poor things have they never heard of talent agencies. bless.

    You know to be honest, as a gay man I dont care what people think of me, I have had prejudices all of my life and i am pretty sure many other LGBT people and heterosexual people will agree someone making a group like that has got some serious problems.

    Im sure Freud could pronounce them!!

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    exorterposted 6 years ago

    I have never heard a Christian say that God hates Gay people, the only times I heard any one say that God hates Gays is when a non-Christian says that Christians believe that God hates Gays.

    Just may be that the person saying that Christians are saying God hates gays is some one trying to butter a gay person up, must be some motive for non-Christian stating something like that.
    we are all sinners, a true Christian is going to be asking for forgiveness a lot and trying to live according to the Bible

    1. fits3x100 profile image60
      fits3x100posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Man I have heard and seen it. So destructive. There's a great book out there........several really. "what's so amazing about grace?" (Phillip Yancy) and "How to follow Jesus without embarrassing God" Author escapes me.

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        exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If some one is saying That God hates Gays, who ever says that is not Christian. God is love, we are to love everyone, we do not love or like the actions of others, but we are to love the person

    2. psycheskinner profile image81
      psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago in reply to this
    3. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Obviously you have never heard of the Westboro church group.

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        exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        obviously they do no know God.
        if someone does not know God then they are not Christian.
        If someone thinks God hates someone then they do not know God

        1. kerryg profile image86
          kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You say you don't know any Christians who hate gays. Somebody points out some Christians who do. You say they can't be real Christians.

          Awfully convenient for you.

          I happen to agree that Westboro Baptist is the antithesis of everything Christ stood for. But they consider themselves Christian, and base their beliefs on their understanding of the Bible and Jesus's teachings, so who exactly are we to declare that they're not real Christians?

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            exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            God is Love, God loves everyone, if they say he does not, then they do not want to understand all of the word, they are picking out the parts of the word they want to
            God requires us to love everyone because He does
            Christian means Christ like
            to are to strive to be like Christ, If someone does not then it does not matter what they call themselves
            there are people that claim to be Christians, but do not know how
            Satan has an understanding of the Bible, that sure does not make him a christian

    4. Stump Parrish profile image59
      Stump Parrishposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You can find them on every street corner when the gay community has a celebration. You can find them in my local paper every time their is a story about gays in the paper. You can even find preachers here in the bible belt that take out ads in the paper stating that god hates homosexuals. Of course the standard response to this is that none of them are "True Christians"

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    SirDentposted 6 years ago

    I see a lot of chatter runnimg rampant here.  If someone calls themself a Christian but does things contrary to what Christ wants, they are still considered a fullfledged Christian by atheists. 

    How many atheists here are like Pol Pot or Josef Stalin who murdered millions for no reason other than they were able to do it?  Are you also guilty of their actions?

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
      Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "If someone calls themself a Christian but does things contrary to what Christ wants, they are still considered a fullfledged Christian by atheists."

      The same is true of Muslims who do things contrary to what Mohammed wants: they are still considered full-fledged Muslims by many Christians.

      As for the whole "Atheists: Pol Pot is one of you, ha ha ha" argument, you need to remember that Atheists don't all agree on a particular code of behavior, either in particulars or in the basics, as we theists do.

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That makes no difference.  They get into the same boat, it makes them all guilty, according to their own logical posts here.

        This church's actions have been condemned by Christians on this site for months and months, yet it keeps coming up and the same old tired posts are posted.

        1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
          Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "That makes no difference.  They get into the same boat, it makes them all guilty, according to their own logical posts here."

          Which boat would that be, exactly?

          Seriously, your argument is pretty much the same as "Pol Pot didn't believe in Santa Claus, therefore, he's just like you, since you don't believe in Santa Claus either."

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            SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You pretty much have it figured out.  Pol Pot believed in muder so all atheists must also believe in it. 

            Came back to edit.  Pol Pot believed in murder, so according to the logic used here by athesits to condemn all Christians, all atheists believe in murder also.

            1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
              Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              "Pol Pot believed in murder, so according to the logic used here by athesits to condemn all Christians, all atheists believe in murder also."

              A flawed syllogism.

              Men are mortal. Socrates is mortal. Therefore, Socrates is a man.
              False. I just buried my pet goldfish, Socrates, in the backyard. He was mortal, and now he's dead.

              A duck is a bird. A duck can swim. Otters can swim. Therefore, otters are birds.

              Pol Pot was a murderer. Pol Pot was an atheist. Joe is an atheist. Therefore, Joe is a murderer (or is Pol Pot, both conclusions are equally invalid). See the flaw?

              Christians profess to be followers of Jesus Christ. The Westboro Baptist Church profess to be followers of Jesus Christ. Therefore, the Westboro Baptist Church are Christians? That there's a sound syllogism.

              Now, we can argue about what it really means to be a Christian, and whether the WBC's actions are in accordance with Christ's teachings, but you can't deny that WBC profess to be followers of Jesus Christ, and therefore, they fall under the umbrella of "Christian."

              At the same time, though,
              WBC are Christians. WBC are a pack of jerks. Jeff Berndt is a Christian. Therefore, Jeff Berndt is a jerk? Nope. That's just as bad logic as the others. But it's the same bad logic used (especially by conservative Christians!) to lump all Muslims into the same bucket as AlQuaida: they're all Muslims, so they're all Terrorists. Foolish.

              You and I have one thing in common with WBC: we all profess to follow Jesus Christ. I would hope that that's the only thing we have in common with that pack of jerks, but we do have that in common.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                What I find most entertaining is the amount of times self-professed Christians proclaim themselves right based on numbers. "There are x billion Christians therefore we must be right."

                They then immediately disown most of them as not being "real Christians."

                Far as I can tell, there are only 7 real Christians, and 6 of them are dead - so it is the smallest religion in history. lol

                1. Druid Dude profile image59
                  Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  20 billion flies eat garbage. Must be good, right? Them saying it just shows how little they know about He who they claim to be following. They aren't even on the same path.

                2. Jeff Berndt profile image91
                  Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  "What I find most entertaining is the amount of times self-professed Christians proclaim themselves right based on numbers."
                  That argument is especially amusing since Christians only make up about 33% of the world's population.

      2. Shahid Bukhari profile image60
        Shahid Bukhariposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Dear Jeff Berndt

        Merry Christmas ...

        Please allow me to correct, what you said about Muslims doing what Muhammad wants them to do ...

        We do not do, what he wants ... We do, what he did ... his Following of The Lord's Ordained.

        1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
          Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Dear Shahid Bukhari,

          Thanks for your correction. I meant no disrespect to the followers of the Prophet.

          All the best,
          JB

      3. Stump Parrish profile image59
        Stump Parrishposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jeff most of them still call themselves christians. At what point to we stop believing that a christian, who states they are a christian, is a true christian? You people refuse to wear badges to identify yourself and then blame us for believing what you tell us. Why do you do that?

        1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
          Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Uh...what?

    2. kerryg profile image86
      kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Out of curiosity, what would you call someone who calls himself a Christian and genuinely believes himself to be a Christian who is doing God's work, but commits an action or holds a belief that you consider unchristian?

      I mean, where do you draw the line here? Christians believe humans are sinners by definition - does one sinful act or unchristian belief really disqualify you from being Christian in your eyes? And what kind of doctrinal shibboleths do you require? I know many fundamentalists do not consider Catholics to be "true" Christians because of their veneration of the Pope, the saints, the Virgin Mary, etc. in addition to the Holy Trinity itself, but by the same token, many Catholics don't consider Protestants to be "true" Christians.

      You and I can say the Westboro folks are bad Christians whose actions and beliefs run contrary to everything we believe Christianity stands for, but is it really our right to declare that they are not Christian at all? Especially since they would claim you and I are the ones who aren't Christian. It's he said, she said here. Wars have broken out over less significant differences in theology.

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus draws the lines.  Those who continue in sin knwoingly, are no longer His amd are as chaff blown in the wind.



        All people are sinners.  To sin once and repent is Ok though there might still be judgment coming for that sin.  King David slept with another man's wife and had the man killed.  Even though he did repent eventually, judgment was still upon his whole house.

        Thou shalt have no other gods before me.  One of the original ten commandments.



        You know themn by their fruit.  No message of salvation ever seen coming from them.  Only messages of hate. John 3:16 For God so loved the world.




        It doesn't matter what they say about me.  They probably consider me a fag also.  Even if they don't, tnhey still hate me.  Jesus said, "They hated me first."

        1. kerryg profile image86
          kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          But it's not knowingly, is the point. These guys genuinely believe they are doing what God wants them to do.

          It's not like their beliefs are so far out of the mainstream of fundamentalist Christians, anyway. Only their tactics are. Robertson and Falwell both openly blamed gays for 9/11, for example, and they are/were followed by millions.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CAcdta_8I

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            SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            But they are way out of the mainstream Christian beliefs.  I know that God speaks to people all the time, but most never hear Him because they are too busy, too deaf, don't want to etc. . . 




            I have never supported either of those guys either.  What others do I can do nothing about.  I can only do what I can do.

      2. stilljustwonderin profile image61
        stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You have a point.  How ever,  the main commandment is love.  Love for God and one another  If we have love for one another, how can some one show the hate that spews forth from the Westboro Baptist church?

        1. kerryg profile image86
          kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          In their sick, twisted minds, they are trying to save the world. So were Falwell and Robertson when they blamed 9/11 on gays and other "secularists". So is Brenda, for that matter. Sounds like love to me. ~shrugs~

          It's unproductive and hypocritical to declare that these people are not Christians just because we happen to disagree with their understanding of Christianity. There are much better ways to demonstrate how wrong they are.

          1. stilljustwonderin profile image61
            stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Your right.  All we can do is not stand by them and do the best we can do.
            Let it be known that not all Christians agree with them.

        2. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Good mornin.
          You are correct.
          Sometimes it would seem that there are more wolves in sheep's clothing than there are sheep.

            Hope they don't start killing everything that looks like a sheep, 

             that would please the wolf.

          1. stilljustwonderin profile image61
            stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Good Morning!
            Cold morning here.  Snow for tomorrow so we are having our dinner today.

            I agree.  Too many wolves!  We hear of them all the time on TV news.

            Got to go get my kitchen help.

            Love ya!

            1. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Say  Hi to everbody for me.

    3. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why do you feel the need to fabricate stories to support your beliefs, SirDent?

      Seems you are doing exactly what the Westboro Church folks are doing. smile

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No fabrication.  Just using your logic.  Pol Pot was an atheist who liked to nmurder so all atheists must be murderters.

        Same thing as what many here are saying.  WBC says they are christians so all christians are like them.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, you are fabricating stories and no you aren't using any logic whatsoever.



          And, you continue to fabricate stories by putting words in our mouths.

          Shameful, SirDent. Quite shameful, indeed.

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            SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I think you need to go back and read some of the comments again.

        2. Jeff Berndt profile image91
          Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Dude, I don't know what you're using, but it ain't logic. It's not even the flawed logic you claim to be using.

          Atheists have one thing in common: they don't believe in God. Which means they have about as much in common as I have with, say, Pee Wee Herman, since neither of us is a marathon runner. Ha, ha, ha, I'm just like Pee Wee, we both don't run marathons. hmm

          Christians have something in common: they believe in God and Jesus Christ. Of course, the loud obnoxious wankers get most of the press, and we have to spend a disproportionate about of energy 'refudiating' folks like WBC. Nobody accuses all Christians of being just like the Franciscans, for example. But the Franciscans do have something in common with the WBC.

  15. AEvans profile image69
    AEvansposted 6 years ago

    God is love that is ridiculous! I do not agree.

  16. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I heard someone talking the other day about God having a relationship similar to a marriage between a man and a woman.

      And like King Solomon he has as many wives; as many as want to marry him.

       Is he supposed to treat someone else's wife the same as he treats his own?

       That wouldn't be fair if he did.

  17. Abbasangel profile image81
    Abbasangelposted 6 years ago

    God loves everybody according to the same source that people use to hate on people for their differences.

    Although while it says God loves every person there are lots of actions that God doesn't like and I think Christians should start with those, like judgement - God hates it when we do that.

    Also other actions God doesn't like is gossip - There are lots of verses on that....

    There are plenty more actions that God doesn't like and most of the "thou art holier than though group" perpetrate these on a daily basis and if you don't then I aren't talking about you.

    Christians are the only bible that some people will read and some of you read really poorly.

    (I reserve the wrtie to make a hub on this. And to make it perfectly clear where I stand on this... I do believe in God (the one with the son Jesus Christ who died to Jhn3:16 - I am not a fan of Christians particularly those who deny Jesus Christ by their lifestyle which includes their petty judgements on other people. I guess I have just done that too, I however don't use my belief as a beating stick upon the general population, but I do believe that if you believe in something you should act like and LOVE is mentioned so many more times than any other word beside THE in the Bible.)

  18. 2besure profile image83
    2besureposted 6 years ago

    Good topic to try to get a rise out of people, but that God does not exist.  God is Love!

  19. DoubleScorpion profile image87
    DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago

    Hmmm...just a thought... most Christians claim to follow the teachings of Jesus...I have read the gospels many times...i don't remember him saying anything about Gays in any sort....the God of the Jews or the Isrealites from the old testament said that a man shouldn't lay with a man as a woman...and since from what i have seen on these foroms as of late...we are under grace and therfore no longer required to follow the old laws. so with that being said...Jesus LOVED everyone...it didn't matter who or what you was...so to be christian...Hmm...i would think that you have to love everyone to qualify as a christian. you might not like or agree with certain lifestyles...but that is not up to us to say. our only job is to "love your god with all your heart, soul and mind" and "love your neighbor as yourself". two simple rules...and folks still can't get them right...

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      exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus said he did not come to destroy the old laws but to fulfill
      God destroyed Sodom and Gomora because of the sin running rampant there, men would rather lay with men rather than women
      God still loves the gay people. but he hates sin (being gay, and all other sin

      the new testament says one sin is as bad as another, God still hates what the gay people are doing

      1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
        DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        you are correct. Jesus came to FULFIL the prophesies of the OT...as he was considered the Christ(greek) or Messiah (Hebrew) I.E. the Anointed One. There are only 5 books in the Bible that have the words of Jesus... Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Revelations. So if you follow the "teachings" of Jesus you would be getting your information from one of these 5 books. All of the other books of the new testament are written by Peter, John, Jude and reference the interpreted teaching of Jesus or was written by Saul/Paul and IMHO Paul was off on his on thing and just claimed to be teaching what Jesus taught. Read the Book of Acts...The Elders (Jewish) and Church (12 Apostles) Had to send a few corrections out to different areas to correct what Paul was telling folks...

        So I still stand by what I said previously... Jesus said " Love the Lord thy God with all your heart soul and mind" and " Love your neighbor as yourself" and if you follow this all other "laws" will be followed... two simple rules...and yet we make them so hard because we try to "understand" the "deeper" meanings...



        I guess since I don't claim to be a christian, I am misunderstanding or misinterpreting the Bible.

    2. Abbasangel profile image81
      Abbasangelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Double Scorpian--- EXACTLY RIGHT. Its not that incomprehensible is it?

      1. fits3x100 profile image60
        fits3x100posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It  is the "classification" of a sin that sets off the buzzers and whistles for me.
        When we shed this skin, we will be free from sin. Or rather as a Christian I am "Free" from sin now, even though as a man I still sin. It's interesting to me that the most non-legalistic of the NT writers began his career as the most  legalistic of the group. He was on his way to hunt down and drag Christians in Damascus  to their trials and death in Jerusalem, when he ran head first into Love. In his early writings he refers to himself as "the least among the Apostles", in his last writings he refers to himself as "Chief among sinners".
        Is Homosexual Sex a sin? Yes. So is looking at the legs of the little girl in the neighboring pew. So is imagining sex with anyone but your wife, and so is considering yourself one stitch closer to God than any other living human...ever... no matter what they are doing. So when we get perfect, we can teach perfect...until then, we best teach forgiveness and improvement.
        I was guilty. The punishment for my crimes was Death. Eternal separation from my Creator. Someone else was put to Death in my place. He also paid for everybody Else's crimes. I have simply accepted that free gift, and some of them have not. Nothing...nothing I have ever done gives me the right to consider myself above, or wiser, or smarter, or more blessed than any other human. The same guy who paid my bail paid theirs too...some of them just haven't cashed in their ticket...yet.

  20. pisean282311 profile image59
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    how can god , if real hate any one?...god is said to be merciful to start with...if god allows gays to be born , provides them with same natural resources ...it proves that god doesnot hate gays...it is people who wrote books manifested their own hatred and gave it divine status...

  21. Tom Cornett profile image55
    Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago

    God probably only hates groups who hate anyone.  smile

  22. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    ...the title of the thread makes me cringe....

  23. Jokarenk profile image62
    Jokarenkposted 6 years ago

    God doesnt hate "fags", He doesnt hate anyone, according to the Bible to hate is to murder.  You cannot judge a person but you can judge their sin, being homosexual is a sin according to God.  As Christians it is not up to us to judge them however, we can judge their sinful actions and remind them that it is wrong.  God will take care of the rest.  I believe there are 12 instances where it is mentioned in the Bible; Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22,Deuteronomy 23:17-18, 1 Kings 14:23-24, 15:12-13, 22:46, 2 Kings 23:6-8, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, and 1 Timothy 1:8-10.
    It is a sin and it goes against God's will, God will be the one to judge them when their time is up.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "Wrong," and "sin," do not mean the same thing. And it is not possible to judge someone's actions without judging them, no matter how much you pretend to do so. Casting judgment from behind the skirts of an invisible super being seems a favored pastime amongst self-professed Christians. No wonder your religion is responsible for so much hatred and ill will. sad

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You are correct that it is next to impossible to judge a persons "Sin" and not inflict that judgment upon the person.

           Things like this can best be seen when looking at extreme cases.

          I would think that most people would think it to be wrong to become a crack addict.
          No matter what we say; we we can not help but judge the addict, as well as the addiction.
           I know that I don't want a crack addict living in my home, especially unattended.

           NO !  I am not comparing a gay person to a crack addict.

           Just making a comment as to how hard it is to separate our judging a persons actions without judging the person.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well, we agree for once. I genuinely do not see how you can separate the two. Which means a lot of judging of the person disguised as judging of the actions. wink Merry Xmas - off to a party now. big_smile

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Have a good time at the party.
              And all my best wishes to Ya.

    2. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Homosexuals do in fact know their actions can be interpreted as sin against your god. In that regard, you are free to judge these actions based on your scriptures and your god just as they are free to be homosexuals. Both sides are equally free.



      That is correct. You're free to debate the actions of homosexuals as judged by your god.



      That isn't quite right. Although you are free to judge the acts of homosexuals, you are not free to remind them that it is wrong as that now deals with an entirely different set of ideals, which is that of holding your set of morals and ethics above others and that you are now judging what is right and what is wrong and are conveying and imposing that judgment on others.

      This diminishes their rights and freedoms and breaches the boundaries of holding and honoring respect.

       

      Yes, and you are free to go on with your life believing that your god will take care of homosexuals, but you're not free to do the work of your god yourself.



      You have made your case clear and have expressed it on a public forum. The case is largely based on the interpretation of a particular set of scriptures and gods, but you appear to be claiming it as a certainty even though it has no relevancy to those who don't share your beliefs.

      However, I do applaud and thank you for sharing your opinions and will always support your right to do so. If you have anything new to share, please bring it forth. Considering that homosexuals already know all too well that their actions are a sin against your god, we can pretty much leave that one on the shelf and move on to something else, whadda ya think?  smile

  24. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    The operative phrase is that GOD WILL JUDGE

  25. manlypoetryman profile image70
    manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago

    Scripture answer: Proverbs 6:16-19: "There are six things which the Lord hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers."

    1. Druid Dude profile image59
      Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus of Nazareth said: Who among you has been chosen to judge. Judge not, for in your judgement, that same measuring stick will be used for you. Hate no one, love your neighbor, raise not your hand in anger, forgive those who spitefully use you. (WHO is being spitefully used here? Are gays killing heteros?) I am a protection for all in the storm.

      Yes, he said that, and more, including: Let they who are without sin, cast the first stone.

      Those who presume to know how, why, and whom God hates are liars...AND GOD HATES LIARS!

  26. moncrieff profile image81
    moncrieffposted 6 years ago

    Which god? To some God is an evil being (the Gnostic Demiurge), to some He's all love. Some have numerous gods...

    1. kerryg profile image86
      kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      http://i51.tinypic.com/syo9b9.jpg

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
        Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        LOL!

  27. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I think that the most important part of the story has been overlooked!.
      I would think that the town was filled with every kind of sinful people.
       Yes; the example of all of the men in town that wanted to rape the travelers that had come to town were Homosexuals, but is not the most interesting thing about the story.
       We can jump to conclusions that homosexuality is the only sin present, but that does not have to be true.

      If we remember that the Lord   PROMISED  that if only ten righteous men could be found in the town, ... the town would be spared for their sakes.
      This was a PROMISE !  And it wasn't broken !
       
      I think that when Lot offered to trade his virgin daughters to the mob, this showed that he didn't have faith that these angels of God could fend for themselves.
      That symbolizes the fact that not even  ONE  righteous man was found in the town.

         I think that this is the main point of the story, ...
    And we choose to focus on something else to serve our own purpose.
                  Just my thoughts anyway.

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      exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      good morning, Jerami
      Hope everything is fine there
      we woke to a white Christmas, only maby half an inch

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hope all is well there and everyone is still happy.

          We woke up to around 44 degrees.   Burr ..  too cold for me.

    2. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It does serve to be a truth notwithstanding its mythical relevancy then and now.



      It seems to symbolize more the fact that Lot was completely disengaged with reality and had gone insane.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you for clearing that up for us.  LOL

  28. Hokey profile image60
    Hokeyposted 6 years ago

    God doesnt feel. God is energy. People should really stop acting as if "God" were a human with human emotions. Also if God was an intelligent being it is the highest form of arrogance to say you know what "God" feels. As far as gay people go why does it matter so much to people what others do? It seems to me if you dont like something then you avoid the situation not keep bringing it up as if you are entitled. Grow up and let people live their lives and you live yours.

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      exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      so why jump in?

      1. Hokey profile image60
        Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why Not? I have the right to give my opinion just as well as you. Maybe you should write more hubs. 2 hubs in 8 months? you must be a sock puppet.

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          exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          did not come to the Hubs to write Hubs
          thought I might learn something about the Bible and Jesus

          Hokey said  "It seems to me if you dont like something then you avoid the situation not keep bringing it up as if you are entitled. (Grow up and let people live their lives and you live yours.)"

          sounds like your saying the Christians should shut up!
          Hokey says "Why Not? I have the right to give my opinion just as well as you."

          Christians should keep their opinions to themselves, but You have the right to give your opinion, actually that sounds like a few Christians I have met, But just a few
          I was just saying that if you do not want to hear the opinions of Christians, why jump in, unless you believe people should listen to you but no one else

    2. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      To say that God is energy is like saying vegitables are green beans.

      1. Hokey profile image60
        Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How do you figure? Not a very good comparison Jerami.

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          To say that red is a color is correct.

          To say that color is red is incorrect.

            Energy is only one aspect of what God is.
            Green beans is only one aspect of what vegetables are.
            I think that God is everything.

  29. mega1 profile image78
    mega1posted 6 years ago

    let's define fag as anyone, regardless of their sexuality or anything else, who is so ruled by their selfishness and greed and endless quest for power that they have no love in their being - that, to me, constitutes a fag, and it appears there are way too many of them. 

    fag zombies- they're the worst.

    argue with that

    1. Hokey profile image60
      Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I LOVE IT!!!!!!!! lol

      1. mega1 profile image78
        mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        and welcome back Hokey - missed you.

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    exorterposted 6 years ago

    God does not hate anyone, he hates what fags do, not hateing them

    1. Hokey profile image60
      Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol lol lol roll

    2. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Then, there is no need for your god to punish them if he doesn't hate them. If so, then you can bet that heaven is full of homosexuals. You must be very pleased.

      Did you notice you called them fags? I noticed. smile

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That is a term that exorter never uses.  He would not used it hear except that he was answering  to the OP heading in like manner.
        Being UNcautious.

  31. mega1 profile image78
    mega1posted 6 years ago

    before someone shuts this thread down for being redundant, crude, and unneccessary

    let's just ASK a zombie-fag, why he/she got to be that way, all, you know, kind of, zsombie-fagified and hateful and greedy and mean and deceitful and greeenchy, yezzzzzz, zombie-grinchified, as well!

    let's! k?

  32. mega1 profile image78
    mega1posted 6 years ago

    http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/ice-cream-zombie.jpg

    even zombie catz do not like zee zombie-fag - there'fore  zsombie-fag steel hiding zomewherez. 

    Or

    iis possible, zsombie-fags are defunct, gone, reformed, or bored with all of us!

  33. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Jane Bovary wrote ..
       Well so far as I can tell, only those things which coincide with a believer's personal moral sense/bias/prejudice are God's Will...the other stuff is apparently *cultural context* or a mistranslation.
    - - - - - -
     

      I agree completely with that comment.
      I take liberty to respectfully add just one thought

       .....  only those things which coincide with   .. any persons ..   personal moral sense/bias/prejudice are intelligent enough to consider   ...the other stuff is apparently  conjecture..


      We all do it  from cradle to the grave.
      It seems to be a human response.

      There is too much information to he had, to do otherwise.

  34. Hokey profile image60
    Hokeyposted 6 years ago

    If there was a God like the christians believe then it wouldnt hate. Couldnt hate. Is all loving, compassionate, all knowing and loves us. Tell that to the people being murdered, the innocent children starving, earthquakes, flash floods, wild fires, tornadoes, Hurricanes, mudslides.......

    If there is a God it is a 3 year old psychopath burning human ants with his celestial magnifying glass.

    The truth of the matter is that nobody knows except the dead and they are not talking. I will never trust your man made books to tell me what to believe. Bible, Koran, Talmud,.....

    Personally I prefer Batman # 26.   smile

  35. Julie2 profile image60
    Julie2posted 6 years ago

    Cool.

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    Over The Hillposted 6 years ago

    Ask those fron Sodom and Gomorrah.

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    exorterposted 6 years ago

    a lot of people want to blame God for all the things going wrong here on earth, we pull tons and tons and tons of things from under the earth, changing things beneath, and expect things not to change on top, man made explosions every where, changing the ozone, looks to me that we need to take the blame fore things wrong on earth, as far as the children God put us in charge, so how about all of us start helping the hungry and needy

    God does not control things on earth, that is our job, and we are pretty bad at it

    1. getitrite profile image79
      getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Then why do we pray to this God if He isn't in control of anything? 

      How long have you been a deist?

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        exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        if you owned a large company you would have others to do the work,  you would watch and let people know if they are doing wrong, at least the ones who will listen

        1. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



          This analogy required absolutely no deep thought.
          You can think deeper than that, can't you?
          You make God look like nothing but a mere human.

          This analogy is not describing an omnipotent, omniscient God at all.  This is just whimsical and absurd. lol lol

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            exorterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            no matter how simple I try to make it, you just can not seem to understand about God, but that is OK, no one has to try to understand

          2. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Can you describe anything outside of this world in terms other than what is nothing but a comparison to things OF this world.

                Surely your depth of thought goes deeper than what your posts indicate.

                I have faith that they do.

            1. getitrite profile image79
              getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              That's the same thing my cousin said to me, but he also says he has been abducted by aliens, predicted the future, talked to my dead father, etc.

              I have tried in vain to reason with him, and he only feels angry and hurt that I can't respect and accept his distortions as facts. 

              He has tried to tell me that intellect is not the only tool that can be used to describe things, but he has not provided any evidence of any other means by which to describe something.  And here you are stating the same nonsense...not knowing that this is utterly absurd.

              Delusion is brutal.

 
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