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Gay Union

  1. proton66 profile image73
    proton66posted 5 years ago

    Where can I find Adam and Steve's marriage?

    1. Shadesbreath profile image88
      Shadesbreathposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Where can I find a question that is less rooted in the kind of reasoning two-year-olds use?

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Shady, I see you're in good form today!

        1. Shadesbreath profile image88
          Shadesbreathposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          big_smile

          I'm bored, my wife isn't up yet, and I'm still amped from three straight days of candy and cookies and pies and cakes and... all that stuff.  lol.

          1. couturepopcafe profile image61
            couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I thought Steve was Adam?  Or used to be part of Adam.  And by the way, does Adam have one less rib than Steve?

      2. Pcunix profile image91
        Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Check the other religious and political forums. Nothing but well reasoned argument there.

        1. habee profile image90
          habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          PQ, you made me spew my coffee!

          1. Pcunix profile image91
            Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well, it's not like you lack experience. You should be smart enough to ignore my posts by now, shouldn't you?

            Should I expect a dry cleaning bill?  If so, please send it to Mark Ewbie. He has kindly agreed to cover all such expenses for me until the end of the year, when I will have to find a new benefactor - or pay for things my self, which is unlikely.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              That sounds like a good idea; another thread reports that Mark is now making money with HP.  Perhaps we should all send him our cleaning bills. big_smile

              1. Pcunix profile image91
                Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know. I had to make certain promises. Now, true, I lied through my teeth when I made them, but Mark never reads these religious posts, so he'll never know.

                Besides, he'd just spend the money on something silly. Better it come here to me in America than be wasted by him in Euroland, wherever THAT is.

                Of course, if people like Habee would just train their eyes to look for the clown wig and skip by the post without reading, I wouldn't need Mark's money at all.

                1. habee profile image90
                  habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  My eyes aren't working too good, PQ! Couldja make that hair a little brighter?? lol

    2. Heathermom profile image59
      Heathermomposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I have a different take on this issue. It is true that there are more people coming out as opposed to before. Is this HIS way of controlling human population? If yes, that could mean the scriptures have not kept up with HIS viewpoint.
      Disclaimer: I do not have a bone in this fight (love dogs) and believe in Live and Let Live. We all serve HIM in our own way.

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    rommergrotposted 5 years ago

    Only on planet earth which is satans realm so far as I can see, but then, I am not of this world.

    1. Julie2 profile image78
      Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Neither am I! Hi neighbor... tongue

  3. Jeff Berndt profile image90
    Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago

    Are you a friend of Adam, or of Steve? I imagine one of them will invite you to the wedding, if you are.

    Usually directions to the ceremony and the reception are included in the invitation.

  4. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    Boy, you guys are obsessed with the gay thing. It seems to be treated as a worse sin than murder. Did you all miss the part in the Bible about the only person supposedly who can judge is God?

  5. kerryg profile image88
    kerrygposted 5 years ago

    It's open to interpretation, of course, but quite a few people think the Bible does have its own Adam and Steve. wink

    I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. 2 Samuel 1:26

    1. Dave Mathews profile image59
      Dave Mathewsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Instead of trying to pervert the scripture in this manner, why not inform the reader that Jonathan the son of King Saul is talking with David and  David had befriended Jonathan to try and gain information about King Saul to use against the king.

      Some people just like to try and pervert the scriptures. Not on my watch though.

      1. kerryg profile image88
        kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Pretending to be Jonathan's friend to get information out of him hardly puts David in a better light!

        It's very clear that they were genuinely friends. Whether it was a heterosexual life partners situation or a homosexual one... who knows? It's not like David was really a paragon of ancient Hebrew sexual morality anyway. After all, he committed adultery and then essentially murdered his lover's husband - compared to that, being bisexual is pretty minor!

      2. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Um, no. Not necessarily. Since you're trying to put it into perspective, then you need to understand the WHOLE book and actually read how many times it says that King David loved Johnathan above the love of a woman or equally physical descriptions. It's not just once. These guys were pretty tight, and the inference throughout is MORE than just an emotional bond. You can argue this any way you like, all day long, but when wording is that provocative, even from thousands of years ago, we can likely infer there was a pretty physical connection between them. And part of that was most likely sex. And it is founded in the culture and people of those times. The Greeks of the day were often bisexual, as were men of many other cultures. It's probably true in this case as well.

    2. couturepopcafe profile image61
      couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      kerry - that is just sick.  Besides, reference to the 'love of a woman' generally meant love, not sex.

      1. kerryg profile image88
        kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm just saying it's open to interpretation, that's all.

        I have been informed by people who know Hebrew that there's some kind of hinky wording at several points - especially 1 Samuel 20:41, where they kiss each other and cry together and there is a Hebrew phrase that is usually translated as something like "David cried more" or "David exceeded" but is also slang for "David had an erection."

        1. couturepopcafe profile image61
          couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I guess there would be no way for me to know but I'd bet the Bible didn't use slang.  Someone's 'interpretation'.  Men and erections don't always involve sexual attraction.  Ask the men here.

  6. christopheranton profile image81
    christopherantonposted 5 years ago

    Not to speak of Ruth and Naomi, or the centurian and his beloved "servant" in The New Testament.

    1. christ4ever profile image86
      christ4everposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Weren't Ruth and Naomi; Mother and Daughter-in-law?

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Nice idol you are worshiping in your avatar. Is that a Golden Cross I see there? God hates hypocrisy and will burn you for all eternity unless you change your evil ways. I see you are selling "Christ-based businesses," as well. Dear me. No wonder this country is going to the dogs. sad

        1. habee profile image90
          habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So, Mark...you don't like dogs? lol

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            They could prolly do a better job than most politicians actually... big_smile

            1. habee profile image90
              habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I totally agree...and they'd work for kibble!

              1. evvy_09 profile image86
                evvy_09posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                But don't forget the Bits!

    2. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Nor should we mention the incredibly "deep" friendship and love shared between Johnathan and King David....or for that matter, the bond between Christ and John the Beloved.

      1. kerryg profile image88
        kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hehe, I'm tempted to blow this guy's mind and show him some Bible slash, but we're probably not supposed to link X-rated stuff from the forums...

  7. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    WHY do straight people care about gay unions?  It's not like they're going to force you to join in! How will a gay marriage harm you or affect your life in any way? I certainly wouldn't want to be persecuted for my sexual preferences or for whom I love.

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
      Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Because Adam and Steve may have booked the reception hall that my son and future daughter-in-law wanted to use! Curse them! hmm

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Lol, Jeff! Maybe you could talk Adam and Steve into a double wedding with your son?? You could all share the cost - a win-win situation!

        1. saleheensblog profile image59
          saleheensblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol

          1. Julie2 profile image78
            Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I want to go to Adam and Steve's wedding! Lets rent a limo!!! cool

            1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
              Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Gay Wedding Crashers?

              1. Julie2 profile image78
                Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                wink

  8. christ4ever profile image86
    christ4everposted 5 years ago

    "Love thy neighbor as thyself": means to care for all people and have compasssion towards their needs.

    We are to forgive and accept the sinner through love BUT DENOUNCE the Sin. No sin is too big for God to forgive. Therefore, as faithful disciples we should be open and eager to share the Gospel with everyone regardless of their sin or affliction. However, making Jesus the Lord of our lives means striving towards holiness and turning away from our sinful nature. Therefore, while being open to all sinners, we ought NOT accept, ignore, or promote ANY SIN as permissible.

    God is the final judge and it is not our role to do so, but God is also pretty clear about what He wants:

    Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
    (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NIV)

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      Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

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    2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
      Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Christ4ever, Amen. Beautiful post.

      1. christ4ever profile image86
        christ4everposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        TYVM everyone... It's all about Him and God's love for us all.
        Everything can be forgiven if we merely come home to our Father in Heaven through Chirst (I won't even dignify the other comments but I do feel compassion for them and do pray that all who disagree with the teachings of Jesus will have the seed planted here, that they may later experience the full glory of God's love and His gift to us!).

        1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
          Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Agreed.

    3. kerryg profile image88
      kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, some scholars believe arsenokoitai is more accurately translated as "pimps" than "homosexual offenders" or "sodomites." In other Greek literature of the time it was used to refer to someone who exploited sexual activity for financial gain.

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That would make more sense to me because it would be a willful act. People do not choose to be homosexual.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I bet people don't always choose to have fetishes for little kids either, but they've got enough sense to know it's wrong.  And especially they know better than to try to persuade others to legalize it.

          At least they used to.  Who knows now what taboos are gonna be broken, riding the coattails of the homosexual agenda?   That one guy's already trying it, that actor who drugged and raped a juvenile girl...Roman Polansky wasn't it?

          Every liberal likes to say it's all harmless, but it is not.  When morality is dismissed or re-labeled, it leads to chaos, and people need to start listening to the warnings.

          I know homosexuals who will tell you it's wrong, and that they're struggling with their temptations just like recovering alcoholics struggle to maintain their lives for the good.  And those people are to be commended greatly;  I have great admiration for their willingness at self-control.   God is pleased with them.   The homosexual activists are doing those people, as well as all of America, a huge disservice.

          1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
            Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            "I bet people don't always choose to have fetishes for little kids either, but they've got enough sense to know it's wrong."
            Well, a little kid can't give his or her informed, competent, adult consent, either.

            Therefore, anyone who'd try to have sex with a little kid is committing a crime against that little kid.

            A grown-up, however, can give his or her informed, competent, adult consent. Therefore, sex between informed, competent, consenting adults is not a crime.

            "I know homosexuals who will tell you it's wrong, and that they're struggling with their temptations just like recovering alcoholics struggle to maintain their lives for the good.  And those people are to be commended greatly; "
            No, those people are to be pitied. They've been taught to hate themselves for wanting something that, as long as its between informed, competent, consenting adults, is not wrong, except in the eyes of those who would control their behavior.

            "God is pleased with them."
            Yeah, you sat in on the annual evaluation meeting, did you?

            "The homosexual activists are doing those people, as well as all of America, a huge disservice."
            The homosexual activists don't really care if someone decides to be celibate. They just don't want anyone to force them to be celibate, as the religious right would do.

        2. couturepopcafe profile image61
          couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          But they choose to have sex.

          1. kerryg profile image88
            kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Any God who makes ~10% of the population fall in love with people of the same sex and then says they can never, ever act on their love unless they want to go to hell is no God I care to worship. That's just cruel.

            Moreover, many Christian sects believe that any sex involving unmarried couples, adulterous couples, and even married couples using birth control is a sin, so if we're going to be literal about interpreting the Bible, most of the people in this forum are probably going to hell.

            1. couturepopcafe profile image61
              couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I'm not espousing any religion, just saying people don't choose to be gay but they do choose to have sex.  I don't choose to be straight but I can choose to have sex.  In the eyes of the Christian God, if I had sex before marriage, that is a sin as well.

              The way I understand it, one does not go to hell if one claims Jesus as the Saviour, regardless of how often or how badly one has sinned.  The claiming of said Saviour would necessarily direct ones thoughts and deeds away from sin if the thoughts were disciplined and sincere.

              1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                "I don't choose to be straight but I can choose to have sex."
                True. I wonder why the religious right isn't trying to criminalize premarital heterosexual sex? I mean, it's just as much a sin as gay sex, right? But nobody's trying to criminalize it. I assume that it's because gays are few in number, and therefore an easy target. Typical bully strategy: hit the weakest targets.

        3. Julie2 profile image78
          Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          habee, you are going to get yourself a migraine if you keep trying to make sense of this. There is no getting thru to some. I had to take two Aleve a little while ago. yikes

    4. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I note you did not include female prostitutes as barred from heaven.  If I can find one and "befriend" her is it possible she might drag me to heaven with her?  Riding her coattails so to speak?

    5. Julie2 profile image78
      Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I guess I can be viewed as being sexually immoral because I dont have sex to reproduce the way I am "SUPPOSED" to as I was taught in my religion growing up. I have sex because I like to share that part of me with my husband and I like it.

      A woman's only purpose was to be fruitful, ughhh. My uterus would have fallen out already if I had taken those teachings literal. I also use protection, which is another thing we are not supposed to do either.

      So I guess I am a big disappointment. sad All this stuff just gives me a headache.

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Seems the other way round, what you were taught about religion was a big disappointment for your sex life. smile

        1. Julie2 profile image78
          Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          LMAO! True right?!

    6. Jeff Berndt profile image90
      Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "Love thy neighbor as thyself"

      Yeah, but I thought that self-love was bad, too. Wasn't that one of Christine O'Donnel's planks? smile

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    exorterposted 5 years ago

    what ever the world does is their business, but there should be no laws upholding SIN,
    the clergy should not marry gays
    there should not be any gay clergy
    there should not be priest that abuse children

    1. couturepopcafe profile image61
      couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Gay clergy is not a sin.  Acting on the gayness, having sex outside marriage (according to their faith) is the sin, whether with man or woman.  Otherwise you'd have to say there should be no sinning clergy at all.

  10. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 5 years ago

    Where can I find a place where - what - the day after Christmas someone can apparently be so bored he thinks up yet another "Adam and Steve" thread?   roll  Couldn't it have at least been a "Madame and Eve" thread for a change?   roll

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      Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Check under your sofa, please...

  11. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    Brenda, I'm far from being a liberal. Having consensual sex with another adult is not the same thing as raping or molesting a minor.

    I have a close relative who's gay. Coming from a religious family, he tried for years to convince himself that he was straight and dated numerous females to prove it. Intimacy with a woman, however, made him physically sick and filled him with revulsion. He didn't choose to be gay, and he didn't WANT to be gay.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Habee, I know you believe that, but it makes no sense.   What's revolting about a woman's body?  Nothing.   And for sure if a man can stand to have sex with another man, considering the aspect of cleanliness, they could surely stand to have sex with a woman.  That's where I believe those people have been conditioned somehow, either by example or by seduction of some kind or by rape (mental or literal) to think it's revolting to have natural sex.   It may be that they have intimacy problems that they need to resolve via counseling or some avenue, rather like the man or woman who remains single all their lives or cheats constantly so they won't be tied down to one mate;  maybe even afraid of the direct responsibility of fatherhood/motherhood.

      1. Pcunix profile image91
        Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds like sex as a duty - "for God and country", I guess.

        How romantic.

      2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Brenda, I do not condemn homosexuals for their actions, but there is nothing normal about same sex attraction and that's a fact. I love everyone. It's odd how others get angry with us when we don't accept wrongdoing. Most people who are homosexuals have been raped. I have read and heard great testimonies of people speaking out about how God delivered them from a homosexual life. They realize this lifestyle was wrong, and reached out to God to deliver them. God set them free.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That is very brave of you to cast judgment and point out "wrong doings" of others. 

          "Most people who are homosexuals have been raped."

          I especially liked this one. Very nice. Belittling, but solicitous; passive aggressive - not a direct attack; merely a suggestion that anyone who is homosexual must have suffered to have chosen the "homosexual life," - well done. I like it a lot - this should cause a lot of ill feeling - as you intended.

          Not as good as "most atheists have been hurt by the church, and therefore reject god," - but close. lol

          I admire you for your bravery in doing it from behind a fake user name. Well done. lol

          1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Mark, There you go again masterfully twisting my words. I have not posted a judgemental statement nor did I intend for my response to cause ill-feeling. If it does, I am not sorry for stating truth. Have a Happy New Year smile

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Of course you are not sorry - why would you care if you cause ill feeling? Oh yes - you have a Happy new year also. I hope that as you sow ye shall reap. wink

              "there is nothing normal about same sex attraction and that's a fact."

              No judgment - just stating the facts.  Dear me.

              1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                "there is nothing normal about same sex attraction and that's a fact."

                Well, considering that most people are attracted to the opposite sex, it is in fact not normal to be attracted to the same sex.

                But this next thing is very important: Note that this doesn't mean that it's wrong or sick to be attracted to the same sex. But it is true that it's not 'normal.'

                The problem is that most of us tend to equate 'abnormal' with 'sick' and 'wrong,' which allows the religious right to correctly say homosexuality 'abnormal,' and score a rhetorical victory, not with logos but with pathos.

                I mean, most adult Americans own a car. Does this mean that it's abnormal for an American not to own a car? Yes. Does this mean that, for Americans, not owning a car is somehow sick, wrong, or immoral? Nope.

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                  exorterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It is not judging to say killing is wrong
                  it is not judging to say it is wrong to be gay
                  everyone has a right to their own opinion
                  unless of course you are a Christian
                  Christians should keep their opinion to themselves and let the rest of the world speak about their opinions

                  1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                    Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    "It is not judging to say killing is wrong"
                    Yes, it is. It's a judgment. I happen to generally agree with that judgment, since when you kill someone, you're usually doing it against their will. However, to my mind, there can be mitigating factors, like self-defense and the defense of others, that make killing less bad. That also is a judgment.

                    "it is not judging to say it is wrong to be gay"
                    Yes, it is. It's a judgment. I happen to disagree with this judgment, since merely being attracted to the same sex hurts nobody. Even finding an informed, competent, consenting adult to have gay sex with you hurts nobody. There's no deception, there's no coercion, there's no taking advantage, etc. Both parties are willing and getting something out of the act.

                    "everyone has a right to their own opinion"
                    Agreed. But it doesn't follow that every opinion is equally valid. For example, the judgment that killing is (usually) wrong is a valid one, since killing someone violates their rights. The judgment that being gay is wrong is an invalid one, since being gay violates nobody's rights.

                    "Christians should keep their opinion to themselves and let the rest of the world speak about their opinions"
                    No, Christians have the same rights to voice their opinions as everyone else. But once anyone voices their opinions, they need to be prepared for others to reply with their opinions in turn.

                    The right to express your opinion does not imply the right never to be disagreed with, especially if you express a silly opinion, like the one that says it's wrong merely to be gay.

            2. livelonger profile image89
              livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

              Please show any study, even a "Christian science" one, that says most homosexuals have been raped.

              Either that, or recant and just restate your loving hatred (or is it hateful loving?) of homosexuality. We're fine with that.

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                livelonger, No need for me to provide any study. I am sure others have heard many homosexuals speak out how they were molested when they were a child. No, I don't have hateful loving dwelling inside of me, but I have Godly love for people, not sin. Have a Happy New Year. Love and blessings to you.

                1. livelonger profile image89
                  livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  So you have fabricated a fact out from the anecdotal evidence you've chosen to pay attention to.

                  What does God say about lying?

                  1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I am referring to the title of this thread which is "Gay Union." The same applies to lying, stealing and all sins listed in the bible. Like I stated before, God loves everyone and hate sin. It's a difference. My heart is filled with Godly love, but I will not justify sin.

                2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                  Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "No need for me to provide any study."
                  Yes there is, if you expect people to take your words seriously. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Without evidence, you're making stuff up.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Very true, Woman of Courage!   Their stories just don't always become public knowledge because they choose to deal with their lives more privately,  and Amen to that too if that's how they wish.   There is (or at least was) a young lady hubber here, though, on this site, who told her story and reached out to people with similar pasts, and current.   I'm trying to think of her name.....I know she tried to reach out through the forums too, but got blasted pretty badly for it....

          1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Brenda, I am sure she did get blasted pretty badly.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And immediately!

              But I think she's a strong person and is doing well, hopefully.  She certainly is doing a good work for the Lord I believe.  smile

              edit----
              I remembered her name.  It's R. Shipman.  I've had problems before linking to hubs; otherwise I'd post it here; but her screen name here is rshipman.

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Good for her! smile Thanks for the screen name.

        3. evvy_09 profile image86
          evvy_09posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          There is nothing normal about same sex attraction and that's a fact?  Really?  How do you prove this fact, without quoting the opinions of a book that was rewritten over and over again for hundreds of years? 
          It is really annoying to have people condemning choices of people that doesn't affect them. Worry about your own soul and leave others alone, please. 
          There are other ways to live a good life despite what the Church wants you to think, because after all, if more people knew that the Church wouldn't have as much power as it does.

          1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            evvy, By reading your post, you don't seem to believe in the word of God. It's not about what the church wants us to think. It's about the true facts in the bible which are inspired by God. Believe what you desire. Love and blessings to you. Have a Happy New Year!

            1. evvy_09 profile image86
              evvy_09posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I believe in the word of God not the word of man. My point was that there is not a single way to lead a good life.  But preaching hate against any group of people is wrong. There are so many different religions because of that fact.  Christianity is not the same thing today it was when it began.  Things were borrowed from other religions to help them convert people.  I'm doubtful the Bible says the same things it did when it was first written.   Keep to the Love and blessing and leave the intolerance alone.  It does not affect you.
              Have a Happy New Year too.

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Good, I believe in the word of God also. Men didn't write the bible with their own knowledge. God is the author, and the scriptures were inspired by God as the men were writing. Will you please show me the words of who is preaching hate? Christianity to me is a wonderful relationship with Jesus. smile

              2. Julie2 profile image78
                Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                evvy_09,thank you. I feel the same way when it comes to the bible. The decisions were left up to Constantine and his men to figure out what they wanted to put in the bible and what they wanted to keep out of it and bury.

                It has been written and re-written so many times that it does make many doubtful. Just because we doubt, we may also be considered sinners or people who lack faith.

                I believe in God, the God I believe in loves me just for being.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I like that

                  1. Julie2 profile image78
                    Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    tongue

        4. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, but considering that you don't feel the need to provide any studies or anything whatsoever other than you're own words, it would be prudent to note that there are a number of studies that would certainly show your claims are quite specious indeed.



          "...male sexual assault has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the attacker or the victim, just as a sexual assault does not make the victim survivor gay, bisexual or heterosexual. It is a violent crime that affects heterosexual men as much as gay men. The phrase "homosexual rape," for instance, which is often used by uninformed persons to designate male-male rape, camouflages the fact that the majority of the rapists are not generally homosexual

          (Donaldson, 1990)."

          "Among the offenders studied, the gender of the victim did not appear to be of specific significance to half of the offenders. Instead, they appeared to be relatively indiscriminate with regard to their choice of a victim -- that is, their victims included both males and females, as well as both adults and children. The choice of a victim seemed to be more a matter of accessibility than of sexual orientation, gender or age.

          (Groth & Burgess, 1980)"

          Many people believe that the majority of male rape occurs in prison; however, there is existing research which shatters this myth. A study of incarcerated and non-incarcerated male rape victims in Tennessee concluded that the similarities between these two groups would suggest that the sexual assault of men may not be due to conditions unique to a prison and that all men are potential victims

          (Lipscomb et al., 1992).

          "Research indicates that the most common sites for male rape involving post-puberty victims are outdoors in remote areas and in automobiles (the latter usually involving hitchhikers). Boys in their early and mid-teens are more likely to be victimized than older males (studies indicate a median victim age of 17).

          (Porter, 1986)."

          smile

          1. frogdropping profile image84
            frogdroppingposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Beelzedad - I think you and I (and others) are quite aware that your bringing the facts to the table won't change the ball-game. I asked for the same and got nada. As always.

            Some folks like to believe that homosexuality is a choice, and/or prefer to believe that it's caused rather than a natural occurrence.

            That then makes it easier to 'evidence' that folks can be saved from sinning [in such a vile manner] by repenting and receiving the Lord into their lives. And etc.

            I have another word for the above - and it isn't even close to the word delusion. I prefer bigotry hmm

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              smile

      3. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Would it "gross you out" to have sex with another woman? It would me, and that's exactly how "Pete" felt about having sex with a woman. He didn't want to be gay. He was never raped or sexually abused. Even when he was a small child, he was different than the other little boys. While they were out playing ball, he was in the kitchen with the girls and the women. He has a wonderful mother and father, a straight brother who's a Marine, and a straight sister. Pete had to have been born this way, so why would God hate him for the way he is?

        I think we see God differently. I picture God as loving and understanding, with His arms wide open in a welcoming, accepting gesture. We're His children, right? If you have kids of your own, I hope you wouldn't hate one of them for being gay. There are gay Christians, too, you know.

        Furthermore, scientists don't even fully understand sexual attraction among heterosexuals - much less among homosexuals. Have you ever been "turned on" by someone you didn't want to be attracted to? I have, and I'm convinced it involves chemicals like pheromones that we can't control.

        Did you know that homosexuality has been observed among animals?

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          Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Sure, I've been "turned on" by someone I didn't want to be attracted to!   That's no different from the temptation to perform gay activities, it's still a temptation.
          I chose not to act upon the attraction I experienced. 

          Yes, God Loves everyone!  But we are not animals.  He gave us the ability to practice self-control and good common sense.  Just because some people can't use self-control doesn't make them right, it just makes them human.  But God Himself promises to help us with those tough temptations if we will let Him.   And those who blatantly refuse to admit they need help and refuse to even try self-control are those who are in rebellion, which makes them wrong from the start.

          Back to the supposedly uncontrollable attractions.....the Bible doesn't condemn someone for having attraction to someone;  it only condemns (calls it sin) when a person refuses to use self-control and acts upon those feelings...

          1. habee profile image90
            habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Do you believe that all sin is equal in the eyes of God? (except for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit)

            My Methodist-minister pal says that God must turn His face from sin - so all sin is equal. You sin, Brenda, because you're human. If my friend is correct, your sins of lying, envy, etc. are no less severe than any other sins.

            Just for the sake of argument, let's say homosexual acts are a sin. What if the homosexual loves God and Jesus? Will he still be damned to Hell?

            I have another question for you: Which do you think is worse - a heterosexual who engages in sex with multiple partners on a regular basis, or a homosexual who's in a committed relationship?

          2. DoubleScorpion profile image86
            DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this



            I would have to use the teachings of Jesus to disagree with how you worded this... and would say that Matthew 5:27-29 states:
            " 27“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.
              28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
              29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

            I would have to say that this "quote" from Jesus would say that it is a "sin" to be attracted to someone...especially if you are already married or betrothed to be married...

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              Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              If you really listen, Jesus is telling us to exercise self-control in those passages.

              One must remember that the whole Bible is the word of God/Jesus, not just individual passages which can be misinterpreted and mis-used.

              James 1: 14-17 defines the progression from temptation to sin that leads to spiritual death,  and the last verse confirms what I said about the word of God.


              "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust,  and enticed.

              Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin;  and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

              Do not err,  my beloved brethren.

              Every good  gift and every perfect gift is from above,  and cometh down from the Father of lights,  with whom is no variableness,  neither shadow of turning."

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Amen.

              2. DoubleScorpion profile image86
                DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I wasn't saying anything other than the way your comment was worded disagreed with the teachings of Jesus...You can use any scriptures that you like to ease your convictions...Doesn't matter to me...I know what the bible says and I completely understand it...I don't need to make up my own interpretations of what it says...I tend to listen more to what Jesus said over what his disciples thought he meant...Half of the time he had to explain his teachings to them in private anyways because even they didn't understand his parables.

      4. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Unless you have someone very close to you, a family member, son, daughter, close friend, etc., who has struggled with sexual identity, you can only assume. But once you have spent time with one of these people, get to know their heart and mind, you understand that there is no conditioning involved. It's genetics that you can't control.

        Until you get to walk that rocky path with someone, it's exceptionally easy to believe that homosexual, transgendered and bisexual people are freaks who make bad choices. I DARE you to get to know people in these groups and find out for yourself.  Further, I DARE you to watch this movie:  http://www.forthebibletellsmeso.org/indexd.htm

        @womanofcourage: your statement about most homosexuals being raped is the furthest thing from the truth. Rapes happen to every sector of society, not just homosexuals, and the numbers are no greater among homosexuals. In trying to be "compassionate" I see that you are merely insulting. It's best you find a good homo and befriend them and find out the truth, as I suggested to Brenda.

        1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
          Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Daniel, I think you misunderstood me. I never stated that every person that has been molested or raped is now a homosexual. I was simply speaking about the many homosexuals that has spoken about how they were molested or raped as child. I am aware that some have not been raped before. It's interesting to see others have added words to the meaning of my response. I am compassionate. Thank you, but keep your suggestion. Have a Happy New year.

          1. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Again, you are continuing to spread falsifications without any evidence. You are in fact spreading lies again even after the evidence has been put squarely in front of you showing that it is a lie. Why do you continue to do that?

            1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
              Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Perhaps False Witness is a lesser sin, along with eating shellfish?

      5. Jeff Berndt profile image90
        Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "What's revolting about a woman's body?  Nothing."
        Are you trying to tell us something, Brenda? smile

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
          Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So does that mean women never want to have sex.with men cause they are icky?

          Brenda, why do you insist on only discussing the sex, sex is only a small part of everyone's life? People are a lot more than their sexual preference.

          Oh, and girls and boys were sexually molested long before gay right was ever mentioned, you can't blame everything on gay mea and women.

  12. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    I think the love described between Jonathan and David was a spiritual love - not a physical lust.

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    Home Girlposted 5 years ago

    Clearly there is something in our food... big_smile

  14. Stevennix2001 profile image83
    Stevennix2001posted 5 years ago

    I say what a man and woman does in the privacy of their own home is nobodies' business but their own.  Unless it's something illegal, then I could give two cents to a rat's a**. Seriously, the way I look at it is that statistically there's two girls for every guy ratio on Earth, as it's been speculated by scientists.  Therefore, for every gay guy out there, there's like two girls out there potentially for ME! lol  Just kidding, as I doubt I'd probably get one of those girls, but it would increase my chances with them statistically if more guys were gay.  lol.  sorry, i don't mean to make light of a situation, but that's just me. 

    Besides, this kind of reminds me of how one guy I used to work with named charles (fake name to hide his identity), used to hit on young 18 to 19 yr old girls, and he was 50 yrs old by the way ladies and gents.  He asked me once how I felt about him doing that, since everyone we worked with thought he was a sick deviant for chasing barely legal girls.  I just told him hey, "I don't give a rat's a** what you do behind close doors, as it has nothing to do with me.  Unless your chasing after underage girls and/or raping these women, then we're cool."  Anyways, we both had a good laugh about it, and became close friends.  unfortunately, he got fired though since his sales were low (we both worked in retail), but he was a good guy. 

    The point is unless someone is doing something illegal, then I say who cares?  What a person does behind closed doors is nobodies' business but their own.  period.  to say otherwise is hypocritical.

    1. Druid Dude profile image59
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What I object to is people airing their undies in my face. Back off, and I'm way more accepting. My own marriage is not dependent on a piece of paper. We should be ridding ourselves of that governmental interference in our lives, not encouraging others to embrace it.

    2. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago

      LOL..WOW!!! Seriously who cares who is having sex with who...Are you having sex with someone of the same sex?? NO.. you feel that it is wrong...The ones doing don't have that hang-up...so how about we do this.. lets take away some of your rights...lets tell you who can love or who you can have sex with...I'll even be nice enough to allow you to have sex with someone of the opposite sex but you can only have sex with the person the bible says you can have sex with...Oh.. if you follow Saul/Paul, He teaches it is wrong for anyone who is clergy to be married or have a spouse...they are to be married to god only...having a wife or husband would take away from spiritual life with God. Last time I checked most of the "Christian" type live in the good old USA and we have certian freedoms..we are we so hell bent on preventing someone who has different sexual preferences than we do from enjoying the "fun" of being married...you know.. sharing the bills...putting up with a nagging wife/ good for nothing husband...complaining about the toothpaste in the sink...tax breaks...figuring out who's turn it is to clean up the dog poo in the back yard...Seriously...People have rights and who are we to take them or prevent them from having them...you wouldn't like it if we were still living back in the early 1900"s and women were not allowed to vote, get much of an education or various other "wrongs" imposed on women back in the day... how about the way blacks and other color minorities were treated and still treated to this day is some parts of this country...Fine bunch of "God-fearing" examples and christian folks you all claim to be...Bottom line...State matters and Church matters are in two different catagories and are seperate for a reason...so get off your damn "I am more rightous than thou" perch...learn to respect and love each other. People don't seem to have a problem with Divorce, Working on the Sabbath, Disobeying thier parents, Telling outright LIES!!!, Coveting thier neighbor, Neighbors wife, stealing...I think the only commandmant that seems to be keep is the "Thou shall not murder" and if you take Jesus's look at that one ( if you harbor ill will toward your brother(this includes more than your blood) then you have committed murder in your heart)then, they don't even keep that one...Let get real and call a spade a spade...you all don't want gay people getting married because that would put them on equal ground with all other "happily married" couples and of course you just can't have that... you can moan and groan all you want about morals and things along that line, but it just isn't true...if it was you would never leave the house because you can't go anywhere without seeing something "immoral"... Try hitting up the beach during the summer...LOL... If I touched a sore spot... Tough.. go and pray for a better understanding of the people that you live with on this planet and maybe you won't have as many sore spots for someone to tap on.

      <Steps down off the soapbox>

      1. Druid Dude profile image59
        Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Still don't like the undies in my face. Do I put on a show? No. Do my neighbors? No. Do I perform at a hetero sexual parade going through other people's hoods? No. Do any of my neighbors? No. Are some of my neighbors gay? Yes. Do they really care what I think? No. Do I really care that our philosophies on this matter differ? No. Damn! World peace is possible!

        1. Julie2 profile image78
          Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          tongue

      2. evvy_09 profile image86
        evvy_09posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        can I have my soapbox back now?

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
          DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Sure thing... i only borrowed it briefly. smile

      3. Julie2 profile image78
        Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        LMFAO! -  DoubleScorpio, Muah.... Thank you. I could not have said it better myself.

      4. noturningback profile image80
        noturningbackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        To DoubleScorpion and all, regardless of the scripture in question we need to each realize that a male and a female were each created differently with the purpose of filling the earth with offspring and as God said "as numerous as the stars of the sky", or "as the sand on the seashore".
        The above was God speaking to Abraham.
        The matter concerning David and Jonathon I believe to be of one even beyond "brotherly love", to the earlier mentioned "spiritual love".
        Paul speaks of marriage "between a man and a woman", he speaks of the "unmarried" remaining that way as to not split their devotion between their spouse and the Lord, but it is a suggestion only.
        Paul also says this " Everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial"  and Jesus says " Love one another as I have loved you"

        I am saying these things out of love, not in anger and also as a matter of fact a man and man  cannot have a child together anymore than a woman and a woman. If this is a choice to be homosexual, it is a choice that is physically flawed, but I understand how someone could care that much for another person mentally, or spiritually. I am a father, a husband and I have siblings,as well as a mother, of each of them I love to the point of suffering for them. I have a pastor, my shepherd, he as well I would suffer for, but none would I suffer for more so than He who decided long ago to suffer for all and to him I would most likely have a love greater than that of loving a woman. Do you thing that makes me gay? If gay means happy and it does, then the answer is yes. I am a Christain by choice, but I was made as a male by God in order to have dominion over all things of this earth and God made me a suitable helper woman. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, it is what is written in the Bible, the Koran and in the Hebrew Pentateuch.

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It is not only highly offensive to anyone with an ounce of reason, it is very sad to hear that a pastor has more respect than members of your own family.

    3. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

      When you hold a public wedding, when you hold hands in public, when you kiss in public you are putting on a "hetero sexual parade."

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
        Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Indeed. Anytime you mention your girlfriend/boyfriend or husband/wife, you're parading your sexuality in front of everybody. Every time you show someone a picture of your kids (the fruits of your loins), you're flaunting your sexuality. Every time you make a list of celebrities you'd like to sleep with, you're flaunting your sexuality. Any time you wish you could meet a good girl/guy, you're flaunting your sexuality.

        But since it's hetero-sexuality, that's okay. roll

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      Over The Hillposted 5 years ago

      It`s also about plain old common sense.Let all men turn gay and all women lesbian and in 2 generations we`ll be extinct.How about that?

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That would never happen...

      2. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Over The Hill

        If we keep over populating the world, we all go extinct, for sure

        1. Julie2 profile image78
          Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Unless we begin to eat each other like cannibals! I need extra salt please.yikes

          Forget it Castlepaloma, its like I told habee, you will just get a headache trying to make sense of the nonsense...

          I had to take two Aleve myself hun! LOL

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Like most things, we will wait for the mass abuse to happen, and then change it.

      3. kerryg profile image88
        kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Homosexuality is not contagious.

        1. Julie2 profile image78
          Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh No kerryg, I have cooties and me likey! LOL

          You are cooooool.... tongue

      4. Jeff Berndt profile image90
        Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        roll

        Most people aren't attracted to the same sex. That's why homosexuals are such easy targets: there are so few of them.

    5. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago

      Is it a "SIN"  if a porcupine wants to marry a squirrel if they love each other?

        I don't think that it is any of my business .  Do You?

        It ain't any of my business.
        It ain't any of my business.
        It ain't any of my business.
        It ain't any of my business.

        God don't want me to have to deal with it cause he hnown that I am unqualified to deal with it.
        How about a horse and a donkey?

        It ain't any of my business.
        It ain't any of my business.
        It ain't any of my business.
        It ain't any of my business.   Cause I am unqualified to deal with it.

      1. evvy_09 profile image86
        evvy_09posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The horse and donkey can produce a mule.  Not sure what my point is here...

        1. Jerami profile image78
          Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The point is ,  is that there isn't a point unless we want to fool ourself into thinking that there is a point.

            Or something like that.

    6. glendoncaba profile image82
      glendoncabaposted 5 years ago

      Same old same old.

      Round and round.

      Same spin, a few additional actors.

      I want to warn the heterosexual Christians here that they are outnumbered and overwhelmed by the sheer brilliance and uninhibited bravery of the other side.  If you are unable to marshall facts and arguments please be careful how you foray into this battlefield.  And should you offer scientific evidence your source will be discredited. 

      You will be accused of hate speech, ignorance, and bigotry.

      But you have my prayers and encouragement to sow beside all waters.   

      Strangely, some Christians will be like Lot in Sodom.  And end up sitting with elders at the gates of liberal Sodomites of HubPages.

      I have a question.  Why are so many brilliant educated men choosing the homosexual lifestyle?

      1. kerryg profile image88
        kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "I have a question.  Why are so many brilliant educated men choosing the homosexual lifestyle?"

        Probably coincidence. When you're dealing with a more or less random selection of roughly 10% of the population, homosexuals as a group are going to get some Oscar Wildes and W.H. Audens... but also some real boneheads.

      2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        glendacaba, Interesting post. So far, I have been falsely accused of lying, being judgemental. I know without a doubt I have not posted any hate speech. I will not be surprised if I have been reported for hate speech. Thank you for your prayers. Have a Happy New Year smile

        1. glendoncaba profile image82
          glendoncabaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Careful, careful.  You have my unqualified support for standing on the Biblical ground. 

          But I'm afraid your initial claims of homosexuality linked to molestation should have been supported by research; otherwise you should have indexed the point as non-representative anecdotal evidence, and not a general rule. It is not too late.  Go and  check your sources.  Otherwise apologise for a non-factual claim.

          As i warned in my first post, Christians should not enter this battlefield unless they can argue with facts.

          1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hi glendoncoba, I appreciate your response. Again, I am stating from the majority of homosexuals which have spoken about what happened to them. Allow us to agree to disagree. I would be glad to appologise if it's not factual. God bless you!

            1. Cagsil profile image82
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And apparently you continue to lack the sight to see your own actions. Why is that? You make a broad based statement, but again do not attach it to anything credible.

              What part are you not understanding? Just because YOU read or heard somewhere that many homosexuals admit to being molested when younger, does not actually make it a fact for "all" homosexuals.

              Thus, your statement shouldn't have been said, because you are not applying factual/credible evidence to back up your claim.

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Cagsil, What part of my response you are not understanding? I encourage you to read once again. My post never stated "all" homosexuals. I stated "many" or "most" homosexuals. It will help you to quit speed reading in order to view words correctly. roll I hope you are having a Happy New Year.

                1. Cagsil profile image82
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That's okay. It doesn't matter. The amount of ignorance in the statement that "most" or "many" is still inaccurate.

                  And, yet again, you've still failed to realize opening your mouth about it, still requires back up material.

                  So, with that said- Wake up to reality would ya? roll

                  1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I respectfully disagree. I am fully awoke to reality. Thank you. God bless you! smile

                2. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Here's the thing.

                  You can claim "all - many - most" or whatever, but it will still be just a purposely contrived fabrication on the simple fact that the evidence does not support your claims. And, whether they are your claims or something you may have heard somewhere doesn't really matter.

                  The point is that all you are ever going to manage to achieve by following down that path is to build a solid foundation as a bold faced liar.

                  If instead, you wanted to clear the air and be honest about it, simply state that there is no evidence to support your claims and that your views are entirely driven by religious bigotry.

                  At the very least, I would consider you an honest person and would respect you dearly for it. I am entirely sincere.  smile

                3. livelonger profile image89
                  livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  There is a big difference between "many" and "most" - do you not understand that?

                  Many = a lot
                  Certainly many gays/lesbians -- and straights -- have been raped or molested

                  Most = more than 50% = more than half = a majority.
                  You said that most gays and lesbians have been raped and/or molested. Many others here and I are calling "BS" on that because there is absolutely no evidence to support such a claim by you or anyone else.

                  I hope you can understand this difference.

    7. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago

      When we send our children out into the playground we will instrust them how to come back unharmed.
        God isn't that much different in this respect.

        When your child comes back from the playground with a broken arm cause they didn't listen to Ya ,  are you going to send them to hell?

          I don't think so.

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        Over The Hillposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Jerami, I am somewhat puzzled by your replys because if you are a true born again Christian, you have the responsibility to stand against open sin.Jonah didn`t want to deal with it either and spent 3 days in the belly of a leviathan.

        1. Jerami profile image78
          Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Wasn't ignoring this question.  Just now saw it,  sorry.

              This is such a complicated issue.
              I do believe in the creator and that Jesus was the Messiah foretold in the OT prophesy.
             
             And I believe everything that he is said to have said in the four Gospels.  First and foremost.

             Those statements concerning his coming again and the way that these statements have been interpreted are a major concern for me. 
             I also believe those things that John recorded in the book of revelation.
             These "things which must shortly come to pass
                   "for the time is at hand"

            In 96 AD John received a vision of a false religion rising up out of the sea.  And 230 years later the Roman Empire put together a new religion that basically took over the known world.
             This doctrine is been in affect (having a great multitude of denominations) for almost 1650 years.

            I question this doctrine right down to the bare roots while having full faith in the God of heaven and the Messiah dieing on the cross for our sin.

             I have been diligently questioning my own understanding of scriptures for over a decade; and have found that most of what I was taught to be true was in fact unsubstantiated interpretations of scripture.

             Let me reiterate that I have NOT been questioning the scriptures themselves, ...  but my understanding  OF Them.


            I think that everyone should do the same.

    8. 2besure profile image84
      2besureposted 5 years ago

      As a Christian, I believe there will be a lot of things going on in this world that does not line up with the Bible.  We live on planet earth and not heaven.  We are in this world with many different types of people.

      While we sit on our self-righteous chairs and judge others.  God is watching to see if we we will display the love of God that will draw others to Christ.

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I like to think about it like this ...

          I imagine myself standing on a judjment platform..  Standing there  asking for love and forgiveness ,  when he ask me ... how much hate and unforgiveness am I  still carring in my pocket.  And I wonder why he asks??

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          Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You do err when you equate Godly warnings and offers of forgiveness with hate and unforgiveness.
          Jerami, if you keep progressively leaning left, you're gonna be practically horizontal before long!  haha  You won't have to be thrown overboard like Over The Hill said, you'll just fall right into the mouth of the whale!  Oh Jonah, reluctant prophet that he was.....

          1. livelonger profile image89
            livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            What more Godly warnings than in the Bible, right?
            Matthew 5: 31-32
            Mark 10:11-12
            Luke 16:18
            Romans 7:2-3

            Offer of forgiveness, also in the Bible, in 1 Corinthians 7:10-11:
            And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

          2. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Nobody wants to hear what a prophet has to say.
              Unless ya lived in Nineveh 2600 years ago.
              And that even didn't last very long.

              I just know that when I am standing there, waiting for him to say THY Good and faithful servant;  ......
              I don't want to hear :  Why did you hate so much?

              to hear him say that all of those things that it is written, don't do that!  ...
               He was talking to me and no other.

              Or something like that.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So...I think I understand now....you're saying you yourself can't preach repentance without having hatred in your heart?
              I can and do.
              I have no hatred.
              So, if you're saying that anyone who preaches repentance is doing it out of hatred, you're flat-out wrong.
              And if it's the former, then....did you know that if you pray and ask God for Love for someone, He will give you Love for that person's soul?   


              P.S. Jerami, you mentioned Nineveh's ultimate fate.  Do you think the Nineveh that turned away from God is the same city that was originally saved?   I've pondered on that myself. 
              At any rate, Jonah did what God told him to do, finally.  God can use anyone He wants to!  I think it's just that He allows us the freedom to decide for ourselves these days,  but at the same time, we also must accept the consequences.  What would you rather do----do God's will even if it isn't easy, or wallow in fear of offending someone while their soul heads for hell?

              1. Jerami profile image78
                Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know.

                  The only thing that comes to mind right now is ,  He said,...
                I give faith to those that I choose to give faith to.


                  I don't think that any of us can convert someone that God hasn't chosen to give faith to.

                   Yes, conversations such as this may make someone think?

                   But it wont be the conversation that does it.  When it is time for that person to receive it, God will give it whether they hear this conversation or not.

                  I just believe there is so much more to it than either of us can even imagine.

      2. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What puzzles me is how people tried to live out, out dated rules from med evil times. My pastor brother protest gay marriage on the streets.

        Yet, the world largest Christmas parade in Toronto is over sized and over powered by the Gay parade of today.

        1. pennyofheaven profile image81
          pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Where are the rules relating to gay though do ya know?

          1. kerryg profile image88
            kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            There are only three passages relating directly to homosexuality in the New Testament: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:8–11.

            Corithians and Timothy both refer to "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" - words often translated as "male prostitutes" and "sodomites" or "homosexual offenders." However, there's reason to think from studies of other contemporary Greek literature of the time that "arsenokoitai" actually means something more like "pimp."

            Romans refers to homosexual acts among idolators and treats it more as a punishment for the sin of idolatry than a sin by itself.

            Jesus Himself didn't say a word about homosexuality, though He was pretty harsh on divorce.

            The most blatant Biblical prohibition against homosexuality is in Leviticus, but Leviticus also bans people from eating pork, shellfish, or meat and dairy in combination, wearing "clothing of mixed threads," and many other things that nearly all modern Christians claim to ignore on the grounds of "continuing revelation" without ever explaining why a vague reference to God making impure foods pure means that it's okay to eat bacon cheeseburgers but some vague reference to prostitutes, pimps, and idolators mean that homosexuality is still an abomination. tongue

            1. habee profile image90
              habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Kerry, interesting point. Does that mean I'm doomed to Hell? I admit that I eat shrimp, oysters, and crab, and I enjoy meat and cheese with my spaghetti sauce. And I love barbecued pork ribs! Oh, I think some of my shirts are made from a poly-cotton blend, too. Worst of all, my first husband and I divorced, and I got remarried 22 years ago.

              Even with all these abominations, I fully believe in God and Christ, and I fully believe I'm not going to Hell. I try to be a good person, and I believe in John 3:16 - one of my favorite Bible verses.

              1. kerryg profile image88
                kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I'm not really qualified to judge, being a heretic and all, but according to this guy, you're "destined for punishment," you rebeller you. tongue

                1. habee profile image90
                  habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I think I was already punished - in my first marriage! lol

                  I read some of the linked article. I think I'll stick with John 3:16.

                  1. kerryg profile image88
                    kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, Jesus Himself made it very clear what was really important in Matthew 22:36-40 and everything else is just window dressing.

                    (ETA: The following is in no way directed at you, by the way, habee. You have been eminently reasonable throughout this thread and many others on similar issues.)

                    I just find it immensely hypocritical when people claim that homosexuality is such a horrible sin in the eyes of God. Maybe it is, but it's treated as an equal sin to any number of things that most modern Christians do all the time, and frankly, as the link I posted above proves, the jury is still out on whether "continuing revelation" really made those other things okay or not, just as the jury is still out on issues like "sodomite" vs. "pimp" for the translation of "arsenokoitai." No Christian can really truthfully claim that we know God's wishes on either homosexuality or bacon cheeseburgers, so maybe we should all just mind our own business, yeah?

                    1. Daniel Carter profile image91
                      Daniel Carterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Good point, as always, Kerry.

                      If homosexuality is a sin, then so is the sin of being born with male and female parts and not really knowing if you're guy or gal. And if you don't believe that happens, then you've lived in a bubble of ignorance, and God or someone, help you.

                    2. livelonger profile image89
                      livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      I wanted to mention, too, that this thread is not directed at anyone other than those that are warning everyone else that they're going to hell. My point is if you insist you're supposed to do so because the Bible tells you to, then you might as well as be consistent and do everything the Bible tells you to do. To cherry-pick the sins you're going to obsess about, those that you're not "guilty" of yourself, suggests your piety is a matter of convenience.

                      That said, either through Jewish or Christian definitions, no Christian believer is going to hell (Jews don't believe in hell, and Christians believe that faith alone is the deciding factor)...although try to convince some of the zealots out there of this. lol

                  2. Julie2 profile image78
                    Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    habee, I was punished as you were in my first marriage too! We need to give up the pork and shellfish!...

                    1. habee profile image90
                      habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      That'll have to wait until after tomorrow night. We're going to an oyster roast/low country boil. lol

            2. livelonger profile image89
              livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Even those Levitical commandments are increasingly being interpreted another way, due to their understanding within their context (chapters forbidding all sorts of Canaanite pagan practices among followers of Molech).

              The term used in the Torah in the original Hebrew which is adapted as arsenokoitai in the NT Greek is "kadesh" which is the male form of the female word "kedesha" which means prostitute (specifically with religious connotations, not a streetwalker). There was no Hebrew word for homosexual - homosexuality was a concept that ancient Hebrews either didn't understand or did not think was bad enough to write a commandment against.

              However, male temple prostitution was a common pagan religion practice at the time, and all forms of idolatrous practices were explicitly forbidden to the Hebrews in the Torah.

              1. kerryg profile image88
                kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah, I think it's pretty telling that Jews are overwhelmingly pro-gay rights. IMHO, it's sad that a religion basically founded on the basis of love is having to play catch-up on this issue. tongue

                1. livelonger profile image89
                  livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, that Jews tend to lead rather than follow on social progress issues is what drew me to the religion.

                  As for the Christianity-is-love part: there are Christians who truly focus on that, and others that really get into the hellfire-and-brimstone part. Not hard to argue that the latter is missing the point. smile

            3. pennyofheaven profile image81
              pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Wow thanks. Makes you wonder whether or not it was subject to the writers own preferences. mmm

          2. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            penny

            Rules for gays, be careful of HIV, that's a simply rule. The rest they know what is right or what is wrong also.

    9. pennyofheaven profile image81
      pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago

      I am wondering why all the passages pointed to so far on this thread all point to Husband and Wife? Where are the passages that advocate being gay is not acceptable?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        We all generally know what is right and wrong. Gays are just fruitful in a different and in some way a better way, trying to change them, would do more damage than good. For most part gays have a higher energy than criminals do, and they won’t ever go away neither, must be all parts of nature.

        By far, more of the energy vampires are the greedy rich.

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      Home Girlposted 5 years ago

      Homosexuality in animals has been linked to mercury pollution. Do we need further comments? Get real, people. We consume more and more of manmade garbage as a real food substitute. What do you expect? If we do not want  to elliminate human race easily and naturally may be we should think what we put into our mouths every day and do not trust big food corporations too much.

      1. kerryg profile image88
        kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        There are some interesting studies suggesting that homosexuality in humans may have something to do with the types and levels of hormones we're exposed to in the womb, and if that's the case than some of the endocrine-disrupting chemicals out there now might certainly be playing a role.

        But homosexuality has been too widespread and too consistent across human history and cultures for that to be the only cause. If so, you'd expect higher concentrations of homosexuals to be born in areas with certain types of pollution, for example, and to the best of my knowledge, we're not seeing that. From what I've heard, the percentage has remained pretty much consistent in every society we have reliable records for, both modern and historical.

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          Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I am sure we cannot have reliable historical records, as historically that thing was hushed, condemned, eliminated, presented as nonexistent, as a perverted sickness. And it grows in animal kingdom, so why not in human society too? Well, judging by Gay-parade in Toronto every year.... numbers are growing.
          What to expect next?  We manage to pollute lakes and oceans and we are still eating that fish. We had  Chernobyl, but we still import a lot of produce from Ukraine and sell it everywhere in Canada. It might be radioactive for all I know. Next time I might go to the doctor and he would say I have cancer? Who would be able to trace that??? We are still babies in our attitude towards our food consumption. And we have no means to control a lot of things.That's the fact.

          1. livelonger profile image89
            livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Numbers are growing at pride parades because more of those who are gay are comfortable with who they are and are coming out, and Toronto tends to be a mecca for gay Canadians because of its large gay community.

            Also, if Toronto Pride is anything like San Francisco Pride, a large number, if not a majority, of attendees are straight, and just there to enjoy the festivities. (Just like not all the people who participate in a St Patrick's Day parade are Irish...)

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
              Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You are right, I would say probably that half the people who attend the Toronto Gay Pride Parade are straight, maybe more... It is a fun day for all.

          2. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Homosexuality in animals has been linked to mercury pollution.

            I wonder if they have linked Christain science as a mental illness to that find also.

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              Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              It's not a mental illness, just mass hypnosis... big_smile

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Gay is considered a mental illness in 76 countries and as a crime. I wonder where they got their studies from.

                To smoke a joint in Canada is still a minor crime; we have to make sure it's a guy at the end of the joint, now.

                Times are a changin

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                  Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Evolution of course or the animal kingdom as a comparison. Just teasing.

                  Homosexuality is in fact illegal in many countries, without the injection of theology. So much for that. In addition, science is claiming a chemical imbalance, set off by an overload of certain hormones in the body. But, in the last x-thousand years, it seems not much has really changed regarding the sexual practice. And yes, it is a sexual practice more than anything else. Which ( from what I have studied and am researching, is a spiritual deficiency more so than a probable immune deficiency...)

                  But the moral issue is of great concern, whether or not one dismisses theological doctrines. In fact there are MANY religious doctrines that were founded on homosexuality and its practices. Much of which is seen today in bdsm practices --strongly noted in modern Europe, particularly Spain). Forced submission, feminization/sterilization of males, domination by females, gender slavery, gender alteration (pre-medical opportunity was bondage of sexual parts w/ public expression of one's counter gender) gender genocide (see Third Reich or possibly West Virginia in present America), etc. Such practices included mass public unions, various musical proclamations, clothing wears, chants, beverages, foods, effigy, etc. to display that belief in the particular idea.

                  It was then elaborated by massive pagan ritualism forming various cultures, social orders and --believe it or not-- laws. These practices were then deemed socially acceptable, caused the building of many powerful societies --the two largest being India and Macedonia, plus the formation of a variety of deities (I say deities meaning sacred to the individual either by logic or emotion deemed gods) like Nature, Evolution --yes, lest we forget science promoted and in many ways fashioned/stabilized the social "value" of such practices  **edit: today it is called the porn, hollywood, film industry which is an invention of science).

                  In last few hundred years theology had openly turned away from such practices, even though secretly those practices were abounding. But now, logic (law, science) are over shadowing theology, so it is once again accepting these practices to a large degree.

                  The historical reference to such a lifestyle proves fatal each time as society develops massive apathy and becomes vulnerable to influence. It does not necessarily mean implosion --although some have done that, but it does mean social order is undefined and thus susceptible to dominant powers, ideas that could otherwise be harmful. The historical result of the Aquarius Generation is today's now logical acceptance of a social ideology. It is now being lead by science and accepted by or in some cases as a religion.

                  James.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    So - god hates gays then? OK.............. lol

                    Waiting on your list of countries in which homosexuality is illegal which do not have strong religious roots. Seeing as you religionists do like to pull "facts" like this out of your behinds.

                    50 or so should so it. wink

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                      Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      No, the gods hate just the sex part?? lol lol
                      Hello Marcus, Happy New Year to you.

                      EDIT:
                      Theology is irrelevant. Because theology is now defined --openly-- as logic & sensation. No country on the planet is without effect of said practices. Seems the proverbial law & prophets have reunited --and it feels so good??? lol lol

                      PS, I didn't post it was 76 countries, so ask the other guy to list them. My list would be every country and no country at the same time. Hence the conflict of societies.

                    2. Castlepaloma profile image22
                      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Mark

                      It's the claim from ILGA, check them out.

                      ILGA: About ILGA - The only worldwide federation campaigning for ...
                      ILGA's aim is to work for the equality of lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans and

        2. Daniel Carter profile image91
          Daniel Carterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Excellent point. The theory doesn't seem to hold up historically, or in present conditions.

          1. Druid Dude profile image59
            Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            ANDROIDS. The japanese are working furiously! The perfect mate. I can see the headlines now...can't you? Everybody goes to heaven, no waiting in line. Fork up the cash, no questions asked. Square pegs no problem, just holes? Done! No fuss, no muss. No more broken hearts or promises, no more lonely nights. Better than blowups. WAY. Stepford dreams come true!

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              Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Run from Nature, run!
              “The evolution of the brain not only overshot the needs of prehistoric man, it is the only example of evolution providing a species with an organ which it does not know how to use”

              (Arthur Koestler)

              1. Druid Dude profile image59
                Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The appendix

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                  Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Your head, dude!
                  Do you think with your appendix?
                  Well, some people do, I know. big_smile

                  1. Druid Dude profile image59
                    Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    We also have no use for it. It's purpose has been left in our distant past, yet, evolution has decided we still need it. I know what you meant, obviously you didn't know what I meant. Our capacity to learn has kept very good pace with our development. It is our understanding of how long we've been developing which is poorly understood. Those cavemen you speak of have just been given a new home way deeper in our past. Current discoveries just proved that we don't know diddly. Finally, to expect a species that knows so little about it's own neighborhood to have the full knowledge of how it all began, is a false path. We, that is, mankind, have no clue where we are, how we got here, when it happened, and wether or not our being here was accidental or intended. The answers are right in front of us and have been all the time.

      2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
        Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "Homosexuality in animals has been linked to mercury pollution. Do we need further comments?"
        Not really, but some evidence in support of that statement might be nice.

    11. LondonGirl profile image90
      LondonGirlposted 5 years ago

      I don't actually know a couple called "Adam and Steve". But then, I don't know a couple called "Adam and Eve" either, as it happens.

      The last wedding I went to was a hetrosexual one. Mark and Rebecca. So was the one before that - James and Victoria. The third wedding ago was gay, Edward and Luke.

      I don't see any real difference. Other people's sex lives are their own business.

    12. Misha profile image74
      Mishaposted 5 years ago

      We need to get rid of all Unions! big_smile

      1. Julie2 profile image78
        Julie2posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh Oh! tongue

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The night is gay.

    13. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

      Aren't the stats that 1 in 4 of all children have been molested? 25% of the population is not gay and not all those molested are now gay.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Would most of them be gay?, just kidding.

      2. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        the statistics from days gone by used to be that 1 in 3 girls were molested by a friend of the family, neighbor or even a family member, and 1 in 5 boys.

            No, that does not turn people Gay.  though this does explain a reason for lot of people in the world behaving in ways that they other wise would not have.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The gay men that I do know of do have a sex drive a little more so than straight men do. I would bet that gay men would be (per capita) less likely to molest children than a straight man would.

          There has been 100,000 case reported of clergymen molesting children in the USA. Where there is one case reported, there are 9 cases not reported. (One million total)

          I think perversion action are caused by the great suppression on sex, as sex is as natural as eating and sleeping, just not nearly as often.

          1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
            Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You'd win that bet. Most molesters are straight men.

    14. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago

      Jeff Berndt  wrote...
        "It is not judging to say killing is wrong"
      Yes, it is. It's a judgment. I happen to generally agree with that judgment, since when you kill someone, you're usually doing it against their will. However, to my mind, there can be mitigating factors, like self-defense and the defense of others, that make killing less bad. That also is a judgment.

      ======================================================

         You actually made a good point.  Judging is something that we can not stop doing if we wanted to.

         We judge an apple pie as to whether it is the best apple pie that we have ever eaten, or if it is the worst.

         So it appears that if we are born the way that we are.
      If a person is born Gay, ? , that is something that these few have no choice , likewise to judge is something that no one has any choice but to do.  ???
         Judging is something that we were ALL born with the inability to stop doing?

         All that any of us can do is to curb our instincts, to restrain ourselves from doing those things that make our life unpleasant for ourselves and others, and in doing so,   we have to judge what is appropriate and what is not! To ourselves ??

         This just keeps going around and around.

        We then HAVE to (we think) judge the judgments of ourselves and everyone we come in contact with. ??

         We were born with this weakness;  I just judged again (38*#<)   I just judged this as a weakness.

        I wish I could stop it but I can't.   LOL ,  LOL

    15. Cagsil profile image82
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago

      Sin is a religious term. Applies only to religious examples. It's actually irrelevant with regards to life or living life. According to the bible and all other religious scripture known to man, thoughts can be sinful. And any idiot can figure out that thoughts, for which, are unexpressed, can never be sinful. Therefore, the supposed teachings of religion to it's followers, is nothing more than a method of control.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well said.

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        exorterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        thoughts are not sin, it is acting upon some of the thoughts that people have,
        that is where sin begins

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
          Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Not if you don't believe in sin

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            exorterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            if some one does not know a truck is coming around the corner that does not mean it is not there, sin is sin even if some do not realize it for what it is

            1. livelonger profile image89
              livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Isn't it even worse when a believer ignores his own sins and focuses on the sins of others? He should know better, but seems to want to sidestep the rules he professes to follow.

              Matthew 7:5 in case you were wondering where I got that crazy idea.

              1. habee profile image90
                habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The answer is YES!

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                exorterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I agree if a Christian can not look for his own imperfections, he should never look at others,
                but we should be able to help each other to become better Christians

                1. livelonger profile image89
                  livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hmmm....

                  You said:
                  what ever the world does is their business, but there should be no laws upholding SIN

                  Do we have laws upholding divorce?
                  Is divorce a sin?
                  Should divorce be banned?

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                    exorterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    there are laws that differ from what the bible says, they should not be that way, I am against any law that goes against the Bible, no matter what the law is about. It should not be, divorce is not a sin if it is for fornication

                    1. livelonger profile image89
                      livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Somehow I have a hard time imagining you or anyone else of your particular religious persuasion making as concerted an effort condemning divorce as you do anything related to homosexuality. That's because you don't.

                      When can we expect a major effort by evangelical, Catholic and Mormon churches to pass a measure amending the Constitution to ban remarriage, since that is not allowed even in the case of adultery?

                      Never. Because these churches practice hypocrisy and a particularly convenient type of piety.

        2. LondonGirl profile image90
          LondonGirlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Not according to the Bible, it's not. Thinking about committing adultery's nearly as bad as doing it, apparently.

    16. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

      You must be young because homosexuality was only decriminalized in the late 1960s in the US.

     
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