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Heaven and Hell is just an illusion that no one has truly Verified!

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    awesome77posted 6 years ago

    I have observed how we humans are consumed by our desire to go to heaven when we die! No wonder we have feel good preachers and political leaches who prey on peoples ignorance!

    How can you believe a theory that has never been verified!

    Based on the concept of who is going to heaven as written in the Bible " Everyone is going to hell, including 99.99% of the so called religious leaders"

    I say forget Heaven and Hell, start enjoying your life!

    Be fair to your fellow humans!

    Stay away from mind altering drugs that will make you very sad eventually!

    Find someone to love and be good to all kids in general!

    Be happy just to be alive today!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Say it, like it is, brother.

      Except the tribes fear to be the lone wolf out.

    2. Bruce_Leiter profile image61
      Bruce_Leiterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi, awesone77!  I agree to disagree with you on your comments.  What do you mean by heaven and hell being "verified"?  Do you mean scientifically? Historically? Or what? 

      On the basis of the Bible, there are both heaven and hell.  You're right that scientific and historical investigation fail to "prove" heaven and hell.  But why would you have those standards of right and wrong without their basis, the God of the Bible, where God reveals himself and his laws of love.  Just curious.  You certainly can believe or disbelieve as you wish.

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What do you think?  I think this is where the believers start the dishonesty, trying desperately to create a strawman.

        For your information, morals predate the bible. And reading the bible verifies absolutely nothing.

        1. ReMarkaBlogs profile image61
          ReMarkaBlogsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Which believers start the dishonesty? I would not lump them all together, there are a wider variety of beliefs than you can possibly know.

          Morals predate the Bible? Agreed. The Bible verifies that.

          Or if you read that somewhere, you accept that source as verifyable (obviously you were not there observing and verifying your facts).

          And please cite and document your sources for the conclusion that "reading the Bible verifies absolutely nothing." I may even agree with you, so share your sources, please.

          Thank you.

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        awesome77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have studied the Bible and the Koran! The Bible contains a lot of contradictory statements and The Koran contains lifestyles that would be unfair to most women!

        No one knows what happens when one dies! To tell me you have an idea is pure conjecture on your part!

        It is pure illusion to say the least!

        1. Bruce_Leiter profile image61
          Bruce_Leiterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I appreciate your input, awesome77.  What contradictory statements do you find?  There are definitely mysteries, that is, things about God that he doesn't reveal to us, but that doesn't mean that the Bible isn't true.  Cite one set of seemingly-contradictory statements in the Bible, and we can converse.  We may end up agreeing to disagree, but our discussion will be stimualting. 

          I hate generalizations.  I also think that God doesn't have to measure up to our reasoning powers, since he is much more powerful and awesome than we are and beyond our rational thought. 

          For example, the Bible shows that God is eternal, everywhere-present, all-knowing, and all-powerful.  He is three Persons in one God.  Jesus is God and human at the same time.  These mysteries will always mystify us, since we're mere, limited creatures compared to that awesome God. 

          I believe these mysteries because the Bible, God's Word, presents them.  I understand that no one could have thought up the God of the Bible; therefore, he must have guided the writers to write about him.

      3. pennyofheaven profile image81
        pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That is as a result of the dual world we live in. We cannot know wrong unless we know right. We cannot know evil unless we know good. If the opposites did not exist oh what a wonderful world this would be don't you think? If we stopped making these distinctions would there be a need for a heaven and a hell?

        1. Bruce_Leiter profile image61
          Bruce_Leiterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I agree, pennyofheaven, sad to say.  That's true about this world, but the next one (the new heaven and new earth) will be completely good.  We believe in the 3-in-1 God will live there in our perfect resurrection bodies with our attention perfectly focused on the God of the Bible.  I yearn for that day because of my chronic pain.

          1. ReMarkaBlogs profile image61
            ReMarkaBlogsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you, Bruce. I can relate; but, how can you be a christian, you sound like a rational individual? smile

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You should OPENLY state you believe all Christians are irrational rather than being sly little buddy...

              I understand why you do though. I've been there myself..


              smile

          2. vector7 profile image60
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That day will be here before you know it Bruce.

            And thankfully it will last forever..

            God bless you..

            smile

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      that's one of the best OP's I have heard in a long time
      http://s3.hubimg.com/u/4313914_f248.jpg

    4. kess profile image60
      kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You are immerses in a reality that once was merely an illusion...actually it is still an illusion.

      Point is every single has had it origin in an illusion...this a daily occurrance...

      It seems to me youre saying that illusions are unattainable so whay follw after them....and  I say you too are following an illusion and advising others to do so...

      Why be fair to others at your expense..?
      Why do good to others especially children to your own expense..?

      Why not instead do good and be fair only when it benefits you and in all other situations just say to ....

      ...HELL with them....

      But there is a better way...
      And that is ..You follow the illusion of heaven until it becomes a reality .....even if its only for you...

  2. Pandoras Box profile image82
    Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago

    In a second or two, or perhaps even before I finish this post, someone will come along and suggest that gravity or some such has never been verified either, and that the white lights prove the other.

    Personally, I agree with you. Who cares? If I'm hellbound, well that's stupid. If I'm heavenbound, well, that's gonna be dull.

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      awesome77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hurray! People should just live and enjoy life! I have neighbors that go around pretending to be Jesus, but they carry so much hate in their hearts!

      People should just wake up and realize that, what happens when one dies is pure speculation, and as you know, unprovable!

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Most people I met say they are spiritual rather than Religious, so things are slowly moving that direction.

        But, no shoulding, or we will move backwards again.

        1. Greek One profile image79
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          i have verified both...

          Heaven during a weekend in Vegas during a bachelor party

          Hell during thanksgiving dinner at the ex-mother in law's house

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            awesome77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            very funny! Enjoy your life today!

          2. Bruce_Leiter profile image61
            Bruce_Leiterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hi, Greek One!  Those experiences don't even come close to the intense joy or sorrow of experiences in either place.  I believe that God is the just Judge before whom we will all stand and that only those who have trusted in Jesus Christ to get us to heaven, not our good actions, will be blessed with eternal joy.  We are never worthy of it.  You can believe as you wish.  I have shared my beliefs with you.  What if it is true?

            1. Greek One profile image79
              Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              there is a confusing paradox here though... if watching my ex mother-in-law suffer in Hell will give me eternal joy, do i want to go to there or to Heaven, where I supposedly wouldn't get that visual?

              1. Bruce_Leiter profile image61
                Bruce_Leiterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi, Greek One!  Believers will get no joy for people suffering in hell, because God grieves over human rebellion.  I found that kind of joy over others' suffering in the Qur'an, but it's not in the Bible.  Of course, there will delirious joy in heaven, but it will be focused on God alone, not on people in hell, who brought their suffering on themselves, sadly.

        2. Bruce_Leiter profile image61
          Bruce_Leiterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi, castlepaloma!  What do you mean, and who are you writing to?  What is the direction that you refer to?  You didn't say which writer you are referring to.  What is "shoulding"?  Just curious.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Most people I met say they are spiritual rather than religious. Meaning ancient spirituality of religion is not update to the living in the now of today. The true meaning of spirituality is the 99% unknown world and Universe in which, take a lot more than any any one exclusive group or religion to do.

            No shoulding, is like thou shall not.

            I can boil 10 commandments down to two in order to make life simply and believable

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's the root of it!
        Why does either side of this marriage (science/religion || equation/sensation) want or need to validate and/or prove anything??

        If humanities collective comparison, since it inception, could be measured in miles, the total sum of those theories/necessities/accusations/proofs/facts, wouldn't reach the moon.

        Some 75 million (observed) stars exist in this galaxy, they say. Earth is one planet three doors down from a star. Approximately 7 billion specks of humanity are running around on its surface without a clue as to it all nor the magnitude of it.

        The universe wins in the end.
        "I spent the entire day staring at the sky, the stars. I tried to count them. It was perfect."
        James.

    2. Bruce_Leiter profile image61
      Bruce_Leiterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi, Pandora's Box.  Why is it stupid if you're hell-bound?  I'm curious.  I'm not going to try to talk you into believing in heaven or hell.  I suggest that you read the gospels about Jesus' own words about heaven and hell.

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    tlpoagueposted 6 years ago

    I am stepping into a can of worms by posting this, but (and this is just my personal opinion.) I have experienced certain events that led me to believe there is a God and a Satan. I have even wrote a few hubs on these experiences.
    I don't expect everyone to believe the same as me. Each person has a different view on life. Occasionally I speak up and say "hey, if you woke up one night and your bed was shaking and you seen actual demons floating down from the ceiling what would you do?"
    For my answer, check out my hub.
    Like I previously mentioned, I am not pushing anyone to believe the same as me. It is all a matter of opinion.

    1. pennyofheaven profile image81
      pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The mind is a powerful thing. How is it that some attract that kind of activity and some don't? Perhaps there are those that let that kind of energy in?

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      awesome77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I do believe their is supernatural power that is prevalent among us! I do also believe the power can be accessed by those that know for good or evil!

      The only consequence is that, what ever you put out will come back to you sooner rather than later!

      Whether you use it for good or evil the power comes from the same source.

  4. tlpoague profile image88
    tlpoagueposted 6 years ago

    I have always been a sensitive person. My faith in God has been tested in many ways over the years. I haven't always turned to God and lived my life as people would expect a Christian to. In alot of ways, I still don't. My husband helped me to follow a motto of "Don't always take things you are told for granted. Seek it out for yourself." I try use that motto whether it is talking to fellow Christians or someone I just met.
    Most of the time I don't say much and just read what everyone has to say, but every once in awhile I can't help but make a comment.

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    lynnechandlerposted 6 years ago

    I haven't been in the forums in a long time other than to post to some threads that were started back when I was ill, however I say bright blessings to you for what you say in the OP.

    You can't verify the existence of heaven or hell. And before you go hating on me for stating my opinion, let me tell you why I believe this way.

    In my lifetime, short as it has been, I have come to close to the proverbial end one too many times. They say how lucky I am to still be here, well I have to say this is true I am but I also did a very close inspection of my beliefs in '04. You see I had what was supposed to be routine surgery, but in the seconds before they took me back my last thought was I'm not gonna see this man again (my husband at the time). When I woke up in ICU with tubes coming from most orifices and my hands strapped down, I knew how close to the truth that thought had been. But, you know what I didn't and don't remember a thing. No bright white light, nothing it is just a blank. This is the reason I believe the way I do.

    What I believe is yes you die, your body becomes ash and the essence of you goes out and is reborn into another person. If you look at statistics at hospitals it can get kinda scary when you see that X number died and an equal X number were born on the same day.

    You can't see the essence, you can't follow it, you can't put a tracking device on it, so yes go out and drop the fear of heaven or hell and just live your life. If you believe in Jesus then whatever you do will be rectified in the end. I can tell you though, you nor anyone you know is going to know the difference one way or the other.

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      awesome77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Truly well put together! Hope you're feeling much better. I do believe in reincarnation!

      My aim is to wake people up from the dreaded punishment after death, that was created by past rulers to keep a growing population in check!

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    lynnechandlerposted 6 years ago

    Thank you, Awesome77. I'm headed to check out your hubs.

  7. brotheryochanan profile image60
    brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

    What a nice "feel good" philosophy you have created for yourself and i mean by yourself. This is wonderful and so modern day but it bodes you nothing. After you mechanically go through the mechanics of being good you will eventually tire of this procedure, realising that this is just another 'works based religion' the religion of "be good, feel good". There are many other philosophies much like yours. Many of them are included in 'self help therapies' which would probably be more beneficial since they help one improve their life instead of just putting all the emphasis on the bible basic of 'being good'.
    As God is pushed to the background and people try to find a safe road remember that God has always said He is God and without God nobody is safe or has a more insightful path or has eternal life.
    There is a movement that there is no hell, its a catholic invention and the future punishment is really not eternal life = death, a second death, nothingness, disintigration of the soul and that God does not keep people suffering forever and ever but destroys the soul forever and ever.
    You need to update before you go on your righteous cause.
    As for reincarnation.. which belief are you, there are 3 reincarnation beliefs. If you don't know then you are just mimicking a story you have told and like many jump on the bandwagon having your ears tickled. Reincarnation is so full of holes you need to research it more before you say you believe in it.

  8. libby101a profile image61
    libby101aposted 6 years ago

    How can you confirm something that is final? Nobody can obviously come back from death...therefore your point makes no sense! This can never be verified...which doesn't mean it isn't true! It simply means it cannot be verified! Once someone passes away...they cannot return to tell you if an afterlife of heaven or hell exists! It is by faith that one believes in such. You either believe or you don't! None of us will ever know until we die! I, for one, believe both heaven and hell exist! I believe when I die my faith will be verified!

    1. DoubleScorpion profile image88
      DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If Jesus and Lazarus and a couple other folks of the bible was able to return from the dead... then why can't we? If it is impossible to come back from the dead, how is there going to be a resurrection?

      1. libby101a profile image61
        libby101aposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus brought Lazarus back from the dead! He was the son of God! I don't think we have enough faith to do what Jesus did! Jesus told his 12 disciples that they could do the same... if they only had the faith! However, I think Jesus in his perfection is the only one who could have that kind of faith to raise the dead!

        Just look at the world now...so much evil! People claim to be good , yet lie and cheat! People sin and claim to be holy! It's truly sad! I believe we all fall short at one time or another. This is why Jesus came...to give us pardon for our sins!

        Most people are "doubting Thomas's"

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      awesome77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good for you! But ask yourself;

      are you a daily sinner?

      Are you good in the true sense of how Jesus was Good?

      Based on the way the Bible states those going to heaven, no one is going to heaven!

      I am not trying to change anyone, but just trying to wake people up from the deep sleep that has them truly confused, baffled and not enjoying life!

      1. vector7 profile image60
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You severely misunderstand the principles of salvation.

        You should stick to things you have a full comprehension of. Kindly..

        smile

  9. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    libby101a wrote ...
       Jesus brought Lazarus back from the dead! He was the son of God! I don't think we have enough faith to do what Jesus did! Jesus told his 12 disciples that they could do the same... if they only had the faith! However, I think Jesus in his perfection is the only one who could have that kind of faith to raise the dead!

    - - - - - - - - -

        This post brought something to mind.
        Just thinking out loud!
      "IF"  you or I were to reach this level of pure belief;  I think that we would also gain enough knowledge to know that this life is not where we are supposed to stay.

       Thus ...  the lack of people showing such knowledge and faith.

    1. pennyofheaven profile image81
      pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What if we aren't actually staying?

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I somehow believe that if "WE"   (lol)   did stay, that would impede the natural processes here on earth.

           Though this is a good goal that we should be attempting to obtain

        1. pennyofheaven profile image81
          pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes agree.

          I was more thinking along the lines of where there is no time and space. Our limitations define we are here. When we sleep or are in a deeply meditative state we are neither here nor there.

          It is the finite mind that would lead us to believe we are here and only here. And should I say, as well as here and there.

          Do you know what I am pointing to?

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Heaven and Hell is just an illusion that no one has truly Verified!

    Heaven and hell are no illusion; but one will experience them after one' death; so verification is not possible as it is not a physical dimension.

    1. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry Paar, but I disagree. Both are present here. This place we call home can be paradise, or the opposite. It is what we make it. Walk in the enlightenment, and we walk into Heaven and do not die. "For there will be those who walk into Heaven and did not die." Remain in the darkness of ignorance, and that which can be perceived by others in the positive light, becomes your own personal torment, constructed of the chains, the links of which, we, ourselves have made. Peace

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      awesome77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How do you know?

      Not even the religious leaders believe that anymore!

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The Creator-God who created everything tell us about heaven and hell in His Word revealed; so one should believe in it.

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The problem here is primary. There is no god, no hell or heaven. Just more myths.

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    The concept of heaven and hell is truthful and is not an illusion.

    If one achieves the purpose of life it is one's heven; if one misses it willfully, it is one's hell.

    Don't you think there is a purpose of everything; then why not for the human life?

    1. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Paar, The Statement;  Hell exhists because i say to you it does. Holds no meaning. We can not prove Jesus or Muhamed, so how can anything They suposidly said exhist, until either man is proven to be.

      No Tangable death Paar, so no exhistance....nothing

  12. vector7 profile image60
    vector7posted 5 years ago

    Plenty of people try to witness it to you from dying and being resuscitated, and even tell people things they shouldn't know about because they WERE DEAD WHEN IT HAPPENED. But you explain it away because you either don't like to follow rules or Heaven and Hell seem too good to be true and too unloving by God.

    There IS NO PROOF. We speak of FAITH all the time. No one EVER claimed any proof. And if I have, then I apologize. Evidence, yes. Proof, no.

    Just because you don't see a half billion of the universe's glorious and beautiful galaxies or planets or anything else out there does not mean it doesn't exist.

    They called the man who said he could transfer information through the air without wires crazy and locked him up for a while because of it.

    But you're all believers now huh?

    Yeah you have stuff to test it now and proof and blah blah blah.. But your just like those people that DIDN'T have proof before NOT BELIEVING because you don't have proof. But it was TRUE the WHOLE TIME..

    I was there once. But I never quit looking.. It pays to look hard and have faith..

    I'll be listening to my radio..


    smile

    1. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well Vector, I guess you could say I have "Faith" that radio in your ear will eventualy deafen you fully....enjoy the music while the ear drum still vibrates

      Like you said, There is no proof to offer, because there is no evidence ever offerd.  Just condemnation for questioning.


      Whitness- implies you saw it, it is 2011, who was there?

      smile

      1. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hell exists, and is evidenced by the evil men do in this world which makes it a hell for many. Heaven also exists, and is evidenced by the good that man can do for the world and fellow human beings, which make it a heaven for many. Heaven and hell, on this world, this plane of existence, is in our hands, and ours alone. It is up to us to have the consideration and mindfulness to rise above our base instincts and behaviors, only then can we transform the hell we create every day into the heaven that we would all like to share in.

      2. vector7 profile image60
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No one is condemning you for questioning.  Christ said Himself to search the scriptures.  John 5:39-40

        AND He said in His most famous sermon to:

        Matthew 7:7-8

        7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

        And who was where? I explained completely the witnesses I was speaking of. It doesn't matter the year. There are THOUSANDS of people resuscitated EVERY year.

        And they say they saw it. They don't have proof just like the witnesses on the stand in a trial don't have proof that "that man murdered him I saw it."

        Yes, there is no proof.. But NO ONE is condemning you for asking questions. Christ told you that you should Himself.. Christ used the word "seek" to show that asking once and giving up is not how to ask God things. He wants you to have a desire to know Him and know He is there

        But man doesn't have the answers. If you don't ask God then how can you expect an answer? And I know everyone wants Him to "say" something. But God works how God works. You come to Him humbly or He will not answer you. After all He does deserve respect, for He is GOD.

        And my radio's volume is set very low actually, unsure where you got that or why it was brought up...

        smile

    2. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      But, we actually do see billions of galaxies out there, but we don't see any gods. By your reasoning, galaxies exist and gods do not.



      You are lying, again. Marconi was never locked up for inventing wireless radio telegraph.



      Will you also be dreaming up more lies? smile

      1. vector7 profile image60
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "It may interest you to know that Marconi's "friends" had him taken
        into custody, and examined in a psychopathic hospital, when he announced he
        had discovered a principle through which he could send messages through the
        air, without the aid of wires, or other direct physical means of communication.
        The dreamers of today fare better."

        - Napoleon Hill

        THINK and GROW RICH


        I think your accusations are ignorantly based on foolish ill-educated assumptions. Please do consult the book as everyone else will.

        I think we all see the liar.

        smile

    3. Woman Of Courage profile image59
      Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      vector, You have made excellent points. smile We can't see love, but it exist. It doesn't make sense for one to say something does not exist because they can not visibly see it.

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You fail, yet again. Love can be seen. hmm

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          We DO love you.. But you are still very aggravating..

          And love is an emotion. You cannot "see" emotions prior to acting upon them.

          The action you're speaking of is a effect of love. Not love itself.

          It's called cause and effect. Love is the cause. The kind act is the effect..

          She did not fail at all.

          smile

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It's nice you love other people. And, if you find me aggravating, then you might actually consider, asking yourself "why?". hmm I'm sure you'll find some rationalized(to yourself) explanation, which will most like ridicule me, because I don't hold your belief.

            Then again, the dishonesty in a rationalized explanation you create isn't only dishonest action, but is also with your own self. That's the real shame.

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Like I said. She was correct. You cannot see emotions.

              If one does not act on an emotion, you don't know it is there.

              And telling WoC she failed, is ridiculing someone.. I said you're aggravating because you said she is wrong, and she is not. Simple.

              And you can call me anything you like. Just shows why you're aggravating.

              smile

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Emotions cannot be hidden from someone who can notice it. Sorry, as my last post said, which happens to blow your post out of the water.

                There is ALWAYS a reaction. Emotions are not right or wrong. They are Amoral. However, emotions are instinctive, which makes them reactionary. The reaction cannot be completely suppressed, regardless of what you think.

                1. vector7 profile image60
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Botox hides emotions just fine. But the emotions are STILL THERE.

                  Third post I've had to correct. Your thinking is severely flawed.

                  smile

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Flawed? Talk about who doesn't know or understand Language. Boy do you need to grow up more.

          2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            vector, Thank you for explaining this. It's his way of making himself feel good by telling me I failed.

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Give it up. I'm done myself.

              He wants to argue...

              smile

        2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
          Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

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          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You cannot see emotions? Are you blind?

            Someone cries? You see it.

            Someone in pain? You see it.

            Someone in pleasure? You see it.

            Someone in happiness? You see it.

            What emotion isn't seen? hmm

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The ones paralyzed people still feel without "expressing" them. You should look that word up.

              smile

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Emotional reactions cannot be hidden. The fact that you bring a paralyzed individual, is nothing more but more distortion.

                1. vector7 profile image60
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  lol

                  You wish..

                  Goodbye Cag..


                  smile

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You leaving? Nothing new. Your irrational argument holds no ground. lol

  13. Woman Of Courage profile image59
    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago

    Cagsil, You still don't get it. We can not see an emotion. hmm

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      roll

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I understand Love WOC and I don't require a god to understand it. But, nice try on claiming my ignorance, when you fail to present anything of value yourself.

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I love you Cagsil smile

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Not likely, but I find it interesting that you have to say it, while your actions always defeat you. lol

          1. vector7 profile image60
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Your like a child... I told you that crying was the effect and you still don't understand the separation.

            If a persons whole body is paralyzed and they can't EXPRESS anything. The emotion is not apparent to anyone. But that person can still love someone without a single indication of it.

            You're not interested in anything but arguing.

            smile

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Actually, I do. But, you're failing to understand that "action" and "reaction" are one, because of "cause" and "effect".

              It's obvious, since you opened your account, that's all you're interested. You get was you ask for.

              1. vector7 profile image60
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                lol

            2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
              Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              vector, Agreed. Let it rest. It will never end.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I'll leave it as well, considering it's OFF TOPIC to begin with. Enjoy. wink

 
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