Bouncing around the forums, I have noticed that there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what people think Christians believe.
WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE BIGGEST THING THAT OTHERS GET WRONG ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS?
(ie, they all think we think the world is around 7000 years old, they think we want everyone to go to hell, they think we all deny evolution.) I could go on, but I haven’t been around Hub Pages that long. These are just a few of the crazy things I've been accused of here.
Some people believe that Science is a threat to the christian faith. Science is very interesting to me. It does not contradict the bible at all. I put my faith in God, not science.
Exactly, and your entire physical existence, well being and everything else you take advantage in this life is in the hands of science.
Universe is connected; people want oneness yet, tend to separate
Religion seem to be based on magic and human history
Science seem to be based on evidence and technology
Then there is me in the middle, who thinks everyone is God as Science
technology is indistinguishable from magic. Some like ice cream, some like chocolate, mmmmmm love both, want to share.
Much of science supports the existence and work of God. (Psaims19:1) states, " The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." I am not in the hands of Science. I am in the hands of God, the Ominiscient Creator of all things, and that includes Science. Have a Happy Day Beelzedad.
Yes, I'm sure when believers are faced with reality they must some how realign their perceptions of reality to fit their belief systems and indoctrination, which is exactly what you've accomplished.
So you are saying that belief is nothing more than each generation regurgitating what the previous told them, and anyone that believes in a supreme power is not allowed to learn what they can of that power's creation? I think that is kind of unfair. Other than this one belief, I doubt there is much difference between you and me. It is difficult for me to understand why it is such a bone of contention. That is what I am trying to understand.
Simply because it is an outright lie, and if you could lose the fear of old dead Bronze Age goat herders, you could see this lie. Try reading the bible without this fear---without the presupposition that it is inspired by God.
My parents and grandparents regurged this lie to my siblings and me, but we quickly saw that we had evolved beyond their worldview.
See, my parents we're different. There was no regurgitating in our house. I don't get the impressions from your posts that you have a basic understanding of Christianity. Wouldn't it be nice to attack it from a position of knowledge? If you think it's so horrible you could make a better point if you knew what your adversary believed. No one is afraid of anything, that I know of.
There you go telling me what knowledge I don't possess. Did you not start this thread to rebuttal the claims that have been leveled against Christians as to what they ALL believe. Now it seems you turn right around and do something similar.
For your information, my father was a Pentacostal minister. I had to go to church every Sunday, and was saved at the age of ten, so your allegations about my knowledge is just wishful thinking.
Yes, I'm in a position to tell you that your absurd beliefs are based on fear. It is a fear of authority--and fear of the majority...and fear of dead ancestors. You have no confidence in your own mind. They have tricked you into thinking your own mind is tricking you--when it is them tricking you.
You are stating what you believe, not me. A Pentecostal minister? That sheds some light.
the intensity with which you despise beleif in God makes me wonder if you don't quietly believe yourself.
The God of the bible condones slavery, rape, incest, racism, torture, murder, and jealousy. I despise all of these things, so the answer is no, I can't stoop to the moral level of this man-made nonsense. Are you a believer?
I think that is interesting that you believe that. God always seemed pretty disgusted with Israel. I just thought those problems were part of what he found distasteful. That's a different take you have on it.
Hmmm. See the book of Deuteronomy is one of the reasons I could never be a Christian. God gave the law to Moses, which included rules such as...
(concerning virginity at marriage...)
"20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you."
(and this concerning rape...)
"28.If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29. he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
And when I bring these up, I'm often told that I'm taking them out of context, but I cannot imagine a context in which it is ok for the all-powerful creator of the universe, purported to be loving and merciful and the perfect moral guide, would make these rules and people would think it was ok. I just can't.
Definitely not out of context. But, I also try to remember what type of people he was dealing with. The Israelites were still a primitive bunch. Some of those laws in that book are telling them not to do some pretty disgusting things. For them, that was probably very progressive. I am with you, some of the stuff In the Old Testament is very offensive. Like when Lot begged them to rape his daughters instead of the angels. I get the point, buy I find the solution distasteful. Every thing is a lesson, I guess, I just haven't learned them all. Probably never will.
The God of the Bible does NOT condone slavery, rape, incest, racism, torture, murder, and jealous in TODAY'S world! In the Old Testament this was practiced as they were under a different dispensation and our Saviour, Jesus Christ had not came yet and redeemed mankind.
So in the Old Testament world, it WAS ok for the God to order the victim of rape to marry her rapist, or to be stoned to death for being suspected of not being a virgin on her wedding night?
And what did Jesus mean here, then...
Matthew 5:17-18 (New King James Version)
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
And if you don't have to obey the law of the OT, do the 10 commandments no longer apply either?
I'm sure I'm taking it out of context again, but I just can't reconcile this stuff.
We're gentiles. Paul said that we weren't bound by the laws of Deuteronomy. Thank God for that. Jesus preached to the Jews. He picked Paul to spread the word to us.
Oh. Also, the two commandments Jesus said all the laws hinged on will cover the ten.
And when Jesus showed up, he denounced religion and it's god concept. This is told to followers in the OT.
Jesus' 'god' concept was about self mastery. Knowing and truly understanding oneself. Controlling thoughts and actions, while learning about self, loving oneself and having compassion for those who do not know how to do the same.
Edit: There is no god. Jesus' usage of the word 'god' is a metaphor.
Is THAT What You Really Believe?
Your statement is hollow! It also doesn't factually justify any of the brutal wars and killings that were ALL Made in the name of a God... both prior to and after JC.
I suppose you believe that those we fought against in WW1 actually believed in a different God than you are referring to?
How sad... but thanks for being the first person in the religious forums to help justify the HUGE changes that were made to the marketing of Tupperware Lunchboxes, during those BC and AD periods!
Are you saying that the wars in the name of god were actually in His name? I don't believe that at all. I believe all wars are about power and wealth. I think the crusades were disgusting, and the Holy wars too. Organized religion is as bad, if not worse than any other government. I don't blame the Bible or God for man's misappropriation of the message.
your god is the 'same yesterday, today & forever' & your Jesus is god - so your OT still applies
It depends on what you believe the purpose of the text serves. The laws of Deuteronomy do not apply. It is my opinion that the Old Testament is meant to show us that, no matter what, man is incapable of getting there on his own. The history shows us the slow progression of the human race, from the documentation of the Jewish people, to the point that we were able to percieve the message that Christ came to share. Nothing more to me. Were they sickos? A lot of times yes. Was it God's fault? Do you think God makes you do anything? I don't.
Your feel-good interpretation probably means you are a nice person that you only want to see the "good" in the bible. Lots of people do that.
The problem is there is fodder for any possible interpretation. From pushing for the 10 commandments to be posted in public places to the hatred of homosexuals to the fundy interpretations to justify their behaviors, to denying medical care for poor, little sufferring babies...These people all also believe that they are being faithful to the writings.
2Peter 1:20 warns against personal interpretation of scripture which is impossible with the contradictions of Jesus vs. Paul on the "law" and Jesus vs. Jesus on the "law" and Paul vs Paul on the "law". They both seem to say things that support the OT law being valid and also no longer being valid. Interpretation IS required (or the whole thing must be dismissed as unreliable) and each individual and group will use the parts they want for their own purposes. Even Jesus uses a parable about beating slaves to make a point. Is slavery then ok since Jesus didn't use the opportunity to denounce slavery? That is the danger of that book and religion in general, there are as many possible interpretations as there are interpreters and motives.
I'm glad you seem to be reasonable and kind, and your choice of interpretation reflects that, but I agree with Baileybear below, if Jesus and God are one, it seems odd to just forget that the OT is part of the holy book, that it was ok to make Israeli women marry their rapist, that it was ok to stone disobedient children to death, that you could murder a man for picking up sticks on the sabbath, that bears could be sent by God to tear little Israeli children to pieces for mocking a man's baldness.... God/Jesus MADE those people, knew what they would do, then made barbaric laws and punishments to deal with the people/problems he created, knowing in advance he would do that?
Tahoe doc, it is sweet of you to say that it is kindness in me that tries to see the good in the Bible. I don't think that is an entirely accurate assessment, but I like to be complimented, so thanks. I guess the Bible is a reflection of the human condition. Good and bad, giving us reason to choose what we want to get out of it, and choose how we will use what we've learned in our interaction with others. I like reading your, and Baileybear's, posts. You back your statements up with evidence of a good heart. I think a good heart is as, if not more, important as any belief in a Higher power. I just think that a good heart comes from Him.
Good to know you now accept evolution and a 4.5 billion year old planet. Well done.
How does that make sense with the Invisible Super Daddy making everything? LOLOLO
just_curious, I think people get wrong that just because I'm a Christian, I do not believe in us as an "evolving" species, gaining wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of who we are. Christians and non-alike want to peg me into a square that limits how I believe and readily think we all have the same beliefs, feelings, and behaviors. Christianity is such a broad word and it is mistaken that now I have to be part of a group that oust others. That's a tip of the iceberg.
You sound like a kindred spirit. Do you see any way to get past all the stereotypes? I look at everyone as interesting. Even people that say they don't belief in anything. I don't get all the hatred in the religiuos forums.
Getting past the stereotypes: It takes a person getting to know me for me. I don't "announce" my confession of faith, and so people think I'm "just a nice person", or there's "something different". I even get that from fellow Christians. Only until they inquire further does my faith gain its "label". And even then, the attention is always redirected back to truth and daily application, not any religious aspects.
The more I stepped away from the stereotypical lifestyle, the more I was accepted for being a person of faith beyond church affiliation, and the like.
I went against some of the man-induced dogma, and began searching for truth myself. It was scary and forbidden, but it has made all the difference in my personal relationship with God. How liberating to find God EVERYWHERE, not just in the stained-glass cathedral.
I'm glad to hear you don't get the hatred here on the forum. I agree, I find all people interesting. And I'm very glad to meet you.
This is refreshing to me, as well, to hear the perspectives of you both
i think the biggest thing that sticks out in my mind is that the christians will say the non believers attack them, and are mean to them. In reality the non believers are defending themselves. When a christian person says condecending things like "jesus loves athiests too" or "ill pray for you" or other such things like they felel sorry for those who havnt been called by god or who havnt found jesus yet. They also say things like you cannot have a full life or tru knowledge of love without god. Those things feel like an attack to someone whos thinking "wait a minute, i have a life, i have love, what are they talking about." Then, you have a remark from a believer stating that they feel sorry for those who havnt found the light.
I dont appreciate being felt sorry for, being that i have a life, i have love, and i feel as though i am complete.
So, thats what i think the biggest misconception is about those who dont believe. That our lives arent just as full as a believer, or that were swimming in a sea of darkness and we just dont know it. Its not fair to assume that.
"WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE BIGGEST THING THAT OTHERS GET WRONG ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS?
My "beliefs" in what?
I was actually talking to Christians, but you can play too. I guess it's an open field for you. Tell us your deepest thoughts, or not. Somehow I don't think you'll surprise me. Just kidding.
I am a literalist.
When you ask a question I expect you to be "specific: i.e. your question should have read: "CHRISTIANS, WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE BIGGEST THING THAT OTHERS GET WRONG ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS?
"Tell us your deepest thoughts, or not."
My "deepest" thoughts?
If you mean my very difficult to penetrate or understand; learned or intellectual thoughts, I ask again, in ref. to what?
Just_curious, you must "think" before you post! :
RELIGEOUS OR SPIRITUAL BELIEFS....THIS IS THE RELIGEOUS FORUM, IS IT NOT? jEEZ. Way to nit pic, though. A+ on being anal compulsive.
This one must have really irritated ya!
You are screaming at me!!
Now settle down. Get those nerves under control. Take a deep breath and let it out slowyly counting to 100...lol :
I am being entertained in the forums by folks who discuss everything...including religion.
Yes this is a subject posted in the "religion and philosophy" section.
Did you overlook the word "Philosophy" when you responded to me?
I can "assume" what someone wants, but yer right, I am "anal!"
I expect a very precise question so that when I give a very precise answer there can be no question as to the meaning of my response.
No coffee for about an hour "PINK."
Hey qwark, you're soooo good looking. And thanks for the tips. I'm new here.i thought we were supposed to expandon the question in the forum. I didn't realize I could have written all of that in the title. I'll try harder next time.
I know, I know, I'm good looking! :
A little more attention to the subject matter is helpful and I'm a helpful guy trying to offer helpful suggestions to one who seems to need a little helpful guidance. I Hope I'm doing it in a helpful way...:
Helpful is good.thank you for being helpful. you are too kind. Really.
: I'm good looking, helpful and kind...lol
...and you have a good sense of humor. :
I'm trying my best to be nice Cags...lol :
Hey, if qwark wants to pay me a compliment, no matter how insincere; i'll take it.
Oh, and the pink umbrella brought up a very good topic of discussion, so let's use that. Do you believe there is a cure for anal retentiveness, or do you believe it to be a quality that should be nurtured?
Don't get too discouraged... you are not alone in thinking that the "non-believing world " just does not understand what makes you(us) tick. Until such time that non-believers understand and accept the concept that is so dear to our hearts (i.e. physical/material and spiritual/ethereal nature of man and the universe that sorrounds him), the possibility of us getting into some kind of a mutually beneficial co-existence is nil. And so the conflict goes on.... which is not entirely a bad thing... as you know life without conflict would be so unassailably boring.
So - I take it you believe that the conflict you love causing continues in the after life then?
LOL. Do you really think you don't contribute to the conflict? You're a funny guy.
I see - so it is OK that you go around causing conflict, and when others ask you to stop - they are contributing to the conflict? No wonder your religion causes so many fights.
Tell you what - you stop going on about an Invisible Super Being - I will stop asking you to keep it to yourself and telling you what a silly idea it is.
Hey, that's not it at all. If the Super Being concept is so distasteful, it does seem odd to me that you're all over the forum, but I like odd. I just don't understand why you are mad about it. You should be having fun. You don't sound like you're having fun. I just wish everybody would lighten up. Hearing opposing opinions should be an enjoyable thing, not an in your face,i think you're an idiot because you don't agrre with me tread mill
Well - how about you stop being so condescending instead?
I am not a government agent either. LOLOLO That was funny.
So - you do not agree that my opinion - that the Invisible Super Being concept is a "bad thing" that causes ignorance and fights - is a valid opinion? Or do you just think it is odd that I wish to express this opinion?
Bad is subjective. And lumps everyone who believes there is something more into a very tight category. I agree that there are those who I would like to see open up their minds a little. But that's those at both ends of the spectrum. Discussion is good. I have read some very insightful points posted be people who advocate atheism, and I have read things that just appear to be baiting, which is the right of the poster and I endeavor to take in stride.
Of course bad is subjective. You think pretending that all you believe is that there is "something more" when what you actually do is follow a religion is "good."?
Accepting religious garbage as being real is not being "open minded," - it is in fact quite the reverse. I wish you were capable of actually opening your mind instead of pigeon holing every one else. I am not baiting you - I think your beliefs are nonsensical and cause a fight - and always will.
Yes, but it appears you want to fight, not me. I am open to the fact that there is more than the physical world to ponder. And I am open to the possibility that I am wrong. Not sure how that equates to your statement, but I am willing to think about it. Interesting post, maybe. I'll have to think about it.
I am open to the obvious fact that there is more than the physical world to ponder. What makes you think I am not? Got me all set up in your pigeon hole it seems.
At least you accept that you might be mistaken when you think a god is speaking into your head. That is a start to meaningful conversation.
Now, see? I learned something meaningful. So you think there is more, you just don't agree with man's take on it, as displayed by organized religion? If so, very insightful. and I agree, on some levels. I had never gotten that, from reading your previous posts.
No - you have translated it to mean what you want it to mean. Concepts, feelings, ideas are not part of the physical world.
The second you start talking about god - you are talking religion. I think religion is a bad thing. I think a belief in god is a bad thing because it limits you totally. That does not mean I cannot ponder the non physical. I enjoy exploring my mind on various levels and am consciously aware of things that most cannot access.
My exploration of these non-physical realms has led me to the conclusion that people who claim a god are wrong, and my observation of the behavior they often display - now and in the past - has convinced me this is "not a good thing."
If you claimed that there is "something more," I would not have an issue with what you say.
But - you do not. You claim to know what the "something more," is.
Hey Mark, I stand corrected on what you were saying. To clarify my position, I state what I believe, I am not in a position to state an absolute. I don't believe anyone is. Which is why I find other opinions fascinating. Quite often they are food for thought. They help me toward more truth in my beliefs, and I believe that to be a good thing. I might change that opinion along the way, but it is where I stand now.
only when you put it that way. Whether or not God has made himself known to me, it is still difficult for me to wrap my head around the idea of denying the possibly that there is more than the physical realm. You have stated you believe to some extent there is. We don't agree on what it is, but we see what we have experienced. If you are insinuating that I think everyone should agree with my conception of God, you've gotten me wrong. What seems logical to me is only logical from the sum total of my experiences. People are different. Which makes them fascinating. I do not attempt to judge you, or anyone. I am simply seeking knowledge. if you believe that to be a sin, I do apologize for antagonizing you. I'm afraid I may continue on in the journey.
I thought I was clear. I never said there is more than the physical realm in the sense that you mean. Ideas and concepts are not part of the physical realm. You seem to think these things are "real," and I do not.
You seem to think this involves a person/thing called god which has made itself known to you. And you think this is because you are open minded. Which means you think that other people are close minded as you mentioned you would like it if others were more open minded.
You are not antagonizing me, but this attitude that anyone who does not believe in a god is close minded does tend to antagonize people and the fact that you appear to be unable to differentiate between abstract, non-physical concepts and super natural beings does also tend to antagonize people, because it suggests that unless you believe in a Super Being called God - you must "deny the possibly that there is more than the physical realm," when this is not the case.
I can think and ponder on any number of abstract concepts, experience emotions, investigate my subconscious along with other non-physical realms without needing to believe in a god. The two are not the same at all - I wonder why you assume that I deny the existence of feelings and emotions, my subconscious and all the other possible non-physical realms just because I reject your god as being real.
Is that because you really, really, really want to believe there is such a realm?
It appears I will have to agree to disagree. Got to get back to work now.thanks for the interesting thoughts.
Hey Mr. Knowles... I did not know that you believe in the afterlife. Another Eureka moment for you I'm sure.
Too funny. I didn't notice that when he said it. Good catch.
I do not believe in that particular oxymoron - no.
But you do - so I asked. Which is it? Will you be there causing conflict to make it interesting - or do you expect an eternity of boredom?
I have caught you several times savoring these Eureka moments... one more and I am nominating you to be the poster boy for spritualists/religionists on HubPages.
I think that the biggest thing people get wrong about my belief is that it's a result of being raised that way. The majority of people who believe that were once themselves raised that way, or grew up in an area where people were raised a certain way.
The one thing I don't like about these Christians forums is the way non believers accuse Christians of being all the same. They make gross assumptions. Not all Christians believe the earth is only 6000 years old. Not all believe the Bible is the infallible word of God and is literal in all senses. Not all are Christians merely because they were brought up that way. Many come to the Christian faith later in life.
Ms Claire Couldn't have been said any better.
Maybe we should coppy and paste that at least once a day before we begin our discussions.
And NOT every discussion has to become a knock down drag out debate.
No one is keeping score anyway
I suppose in the past I have made assumptions about atheists but the most vocal ones are the ones who belittle. The same can be said about Christians. The ones who are in your face are the ones who condemn.
I think so much more progress could be made if we all started on a clean slate with one another. First hear what the beliefs are before pouncing on someone.
Yes, we all have a propensity to act when our beliefs are being threatened, But with becoming civilized we are supposed to learn how to restrain ourselves.
But it is difficult to not stand up when someone tells to shut up.
I carry a couple of scars for doing that.
That's funny, we've been hearing those beliefs for the last couple thousand years. Where ya been? LOL!
Beelzedad, I meant first hear the beliefs of a certain Christian because not all are the same. Some believe the Bible is infallible, others not. Some think Jesus isn't the son of God. They call themselves deist Christians. Some are Gnostic Christians who believe that Jesus taught us how to become a god. Some don't take the Bible literally throughout.
Come on, you know what I mean. You know there are different beliefs when the Christian religion.
So, who decides what is and what isn't the infallible word of god? You?
Well I'd vote for her over you. if you were in charge we'd have nothing to talk about on the religious forums. Shes interesting. At last I think so.
Funny how your god doesn't even get a mention here.
sometimes you seem to have a sense of humor, other times, not so much.
Sometimes you appear to get it, other times, not.
the biggest thing others get wrong about my beliefs..... that my beliefs are any of their business.
Good to know. I will endeavor to remember you, and not ask you what you think.
ahah Im sorry, I do not mind being asked what I think, as long as the asker really only wants to know what I think, not tell me I am wrong and they need to "fix" me. I suppose that came out a bit harsher than I intended.
For future reference, I am always interested when I ask. And I'm like you.i don't think if I disagree with anything it means i need to be fixed. I wonder sometimes why people post, if they're just going to get mad at the answer. Since most answers are opposing views.
who knows. some people like to fight, for any reason. I don't get that, I hate fighting, but I know many people enjoy a "heated disscusion."
I like debate, but I find myself trying to diffuse things quickly when people seem to be getting testy about it. In the final analysis, it's just an opinion. Nobody is going to change anyone's mind in this place.
My beliefs have nothing to do with this topic, because I hold no beliefs in or of or on this topic.
On another hand, my beliefs are my beliefs and I do as I should, and keep them to myself.
Apparently, because that went over my head. but I see your a big cat.im just a little one, so it's understandable.
Hey Cagsil, someone posted that they thought I was rufe to you in this forum. It was not my intent and I hope you will accept my apology. Would have done it sooner, but you changed your avatar and I am easily confused.
If I thought you were rude, don't you think I am outspoken enough to let you know? Secondly, what other people think? I don't care what people think. Most cannot form one complete thought, much less wrap any sort of understanding about life, within their mind.
However, with Hubpages forum and the rules that apply, other people can subjectively report, what appears to be rudeness.
No apologies necessary.
getitrite wrote ....
You have no right to stand in judgment of my dad's religion,
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That right belongs omly to you. ... We get it !
I thought that too, but I was afraid to say it. His posts get kind of testy. I can't quite get a take on where he's coming from.
He reminds me of a guy I used to know that enjoyed argueing so much that he would argue with himself when no one else was around.
He was once accused of putting up a sign at the street corner, just so he could argue with it.
Cagsil has his own opinions, and not always wants to sit there and break them down only to have to argue. I see it wuite planely that he decided not to argue, and therefore stated that he would not be paradeing his beliefs around at that moment. As he clearly stated, his beliefs are his own. Nuff said. I think your response to his statement is far more agressive personally than he was generally.
I was joking with the guy. If either of you took offense,i apologize. I have been described as acerbic, so I'll trust your judgment on this one.
no need to apologise to me, i just know em is all, and hes not puttin out what your pickin up is all. why am i talking like that? lol.
Well,i did apologize to him too. Please let him know it was sincere. I hate to be at odds with anyone.
oh, im sure he knows. I know he can seem like he's being a certain way, but truthfully, thats just the way he talks. You know those people that you arent sure where they are comming from until you get to know them, and then you dont really notice that they are comming off a certain way until you have to explain it to someone else? lmao, im prob not describing it right, but yea, the little black cat face just doesnt look malicious to me, so im sure he can tell your cincere, hahaha.
I'm an agnostic and atheist. I have no knowledge of nor a belief in a god or gods.
I am not angry, missing anything, arrogant, a worshiper of science or anything else. I do not know the answers to the great questions of how we are here, or why, or if there is a why. I do not ascribe those things I do not know to a god.
Completely understandable. You make a good point. There are stereotypes all around.
TahoeDoc- im completely with you on the "not missing anything" part. I hate being told that im missing out on having a better life experience because im not in church 3 times a week. No disrespect to those who are, im just saying. Stop pitying us because were not tything!!!!!
I believe if one isn’t a believer in God then they will not understand the hand of or the mind of God which is to say that God gives the believer the ability to understand some of him and what he can do.
What a waist to simply live for the here and now with no greater purpose then to die, Like dust blowing in the wind.
I believe the God that I know is greater then any man could imagine. I believe I have not seen the limit to God’s power, as amazing we are as humans this doesn’t mean that this is the best he can do and since the bible says man was made a little lower then angels who knows what kinds of futures a being that could create all this can do in the future?
I believe my God allows the rain to fall on the righteous and the unrighteous. I believe we have not felt real joy because with sin in this world real joy his hindered.
You want to tell me how you can wrap your mind around an infinite being/entity/spirit? When no one on the planet can understand anything that runs or exists in an infinite structure?
No greater purpose then to die? Talk about not understanding life.
I'll give you everything you said, except for the god thing. Jesus' 'god' concept was about self mastery, not some higher power.
No god required for that to happen. It will naturally occur.
Do away with religion and see real joy come about.
How very unfortunate it is that believers have had the ability and capacity to find purpose in their lives wiped out from their religious indoctrinations and replaced with the embracing of myths and superstitions from the Bronze age. Such a waste of human resources.
Some of you people must really have miserable life to spend so much of your time trying to bring others down that don't think you do!\
Way to cubby hole a vast group of individuals. Wow, do you really think believers have no purpose in their lives? That's kind of sad you're so narrow minded. Thanks for sharing.
Interesting you say, my post had something to do with my belief? When in fact it didn't. Enjoy.
Hey Cagsil. You're a pretty smart guy. I like the thing you said about being unable to wrap your head around the concept. I agree completely. Sometimes i think we're like dogs, arguing over the benefit of rice in our diets. It's completely over our heads. But i find it very interesting to hear others points. I look forward to reading yours on the forums.
i have gone through your website and i was pleased with your teachings i request to work together hear in Kenya,
hope to her from you my friends
yours brother mosirigwa.
Hi mosirigwa. I'm new here too. Welcome to the madhouse.
Its worst in the real world, here you can talk about it rather than talking to a mental doctor. Being an artist some people may think I have a screw loose.
If you don't have a few loose screws you probably arenot an artist ! How else could artists see into the present the way they do
For me it's being a little crazy, keeps me from going insane, just a messenger; don't kill the messenger,
Maybe artist are the number one enemies for politician
I find you one the most open minded Christian on this site, Maybe a bit of a optialcoholic an invented word of optimistic/alcoholic, meaning trying to turn as much of negatives into a positive like myself. I'm not interested in questioning your good intensions, just your source of good intension mainly the Bible. I guess you see the big business of organized Religion can be tooled into war and greed easily.
The Bible has the most contradiction of any book I have ever read, where large groups of people often try to practice. The second most written spiritually book ever written, that was wrote was 500 years before the Bible,is Taoism. I can't find any clear contradiction in the book of Taoism, why is that? just curious.
I don't know. Off the cuff, maybe it was written by one guy. The Bible spans so many hundreds of years, I guess the train of thought gets disjointed when you try to follow it. I'm glad you brought that up. I don't know a thing about Taoism. It will be something to read about. If it's at the library. I'm incredibly cheap. I'd hate to have to buy it.
You can find it in the library, if you’re looking for peace of mind that is where it is at. At least, the most beautiful words that flows nature with man.
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