President Barack Obama plans to give an unusually personal speech about his religious faith on Thursday at a high-profile prayer breakfast in Washington, a White House official said Wednesday.
“He’ll give a window on the way he approaches prayer, his study of Scripture and some other spiritual disciplines that affect his daily life,” said the official.
“I don’t think he’s given a window into how his faith sustains him as president,” said the official, who would not speak for attribution. “That will be a new thing.”
Obama’s speech, which will be delivered at the National Prayer Breakfast, comes on the heels of public opinion surveys that show only a minority of Americans know that Obama is a Christian and that a growing number believe he’s a Muslim. - cnn
That speech was 100% BS. I don't think Obama is a Muslim or Christian. He appears to be a very intelligent skeptic, like Thomas Jefferson.
But religion is a powerful tool to use against an already delusional society.
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies"
Frankly, the fact that the President is being pressured to defend his faith is silly. Last time I checked, he was elected to lead our government, not to be our spiritual guide. Whether he is a Christian or a Muslim should be irrelevant, unless of course he is an extremist in either camp. Contrary to popular belief, the United States is not a Christian nation, if in fact such a thing even exists in today's world. It is a democratic republic which has laws that are supposed to keep a definite separation between Church (any Church) and State. I am a Christian, and I am not an Obama supporter. But it's his politics I disagree with, not his spiritual position.
about the seperation of church and state: some historical facts for you
"Separation of church and state" is a common metaphor that is well recognized. Equally well recognized is the metaphorical meaning of the church staying out of the state's business and the state staying out of the church's business. Because of the very common usage of the "separation of church and state phrase," most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.
I agree they must be seperated and kept so, but in the US we cloud it all up, and very quickly to.
Of course - it never occurred to them this would be a two way street. Blocked in both directions.
Jefferson was a genius.
Mark, your point is well taken here.
In that Time, I am positive they saw nothing but thier way, and no open street. It was revolution and support of it, all for God almighty above King!
Fortunitly so far it has worked, but it is not self sustaining, just like religion is not, it does not satisfy the human soul. and now...
flaws and more cracks in the old knowledge keep appearing.
The more i study it, it seems to flow like the Old testimate, a psychotic mess of human sociology. A wounder we have survived it this long.
I agree with your above contention.
Did Obama made any such expression about his religious faith ?
We're moving in on elections. He's a politician. Of course he'll appeal to the religious right.
but isn't it sad that he has to keep announcing that he is christian...i mean what has his faith to do with administration...aren't both different?
Heh! He can appeal all he wants to, but unless he's had a major change of heart lately, the religious right (any common-sense Christian) knows he's far from being a Christian.
Many of us are. But it isn't his religion (I assume he is christian, that's the church he attended in chicago) I find worrisome, it's his politics. Cut wasteful government spending and their intrusion in our lives. If you do that, as far as I'm concerned you can worship a statue of Elvis; as long as you give me the freedom to worship in my own way, I'll vote you back in.
I understand what you mean.
But the two things do intertwine and have a huge bearing on each other. For instance, would you REALLY be able to trust someone who worshipped a statue of Elvis to lead your Nation? See what I mean?
"would you REALLY be able to trust someone who worshipped a statue of Elvis to lead your Nation?"
Of course not.
Everyone knows Jim Morrison is God...Jeez
Honestly? If he had led with an even hand, not infringed on my rights, brought the troops home, cut out wasteful spending without hurting programs for the poor in the process and then shared his bizarre beliefs; I might. But we both realize that's a ridiculous scenario. my point was, what a person does for the country as a whole is much more important than the way they worship to me. I probably won't vote for him in the next election, but it has nothing to do with religion.
It's easy for all humans to make that claim about each other.
There are lots of claims that so called Christians aren't Christians at all in these forums, because of the antics, attacks and so forth. So if Obama claims that he is religious, who has the right to question that?
Just as the religious left knows that you and your ilk are far from being a Christian, Brenda.
Logical fallacies can cut both ways, watch out.
@brenda being christian is not required qualification for being president...isn't it?...so why so much concern about his faith?...yes if he doesnot deliver on governance , show him the door but faith is last thing which he must clarify for...
Yep...........I'm sure it'll be a very generic speech with words carefully chosen so as not to "offend" anyone.
I think that's right, and for the record, I agree that he's pandering. It's a vote-getting strategy. That's all. But I think belief and faith is something that we have to be careful about when we claim another has no belief or faith. It's not our business to make that call.
People think I'm an atheist. I'm not. I just don't see things the way so many others do.
Oh Lord. It's not enough to attend a Christian church on a regular basis. Now he's got to "prove" he is a Christian and make up some politically correct speech about how his faith influences his performance as POTUS.
So it appears that being Christian -- sufficiently and the correct "brand" of Christian -- is now a qualification for office.
Someone should tell Mitt Romney not to waste his time/money.
America is not ready -- may never be ready -- for Brigham Young and Joseph Smith
I'm not even going to bother to listen to his goofy speach
Ok, I'll admit it. Any religion that wears magic underwear and believes they'll rule their own planet in the afterlife is not going to be able to sire a son I would vote for. I don't care how unkind that sounds. I hope he stays out of the primaries.
Don't forget the golden plates!
And (can't stop myself here -- too many episodes of Big Love) living on compounds with multiple -- often underaged -- wives.
(Yes, I do understand Romney is not a polygamist. But if you think the Swift Boaters and Birthers were/are relentless, just wait till you see what "they" do to Romney).
Romney is a walking magazine cover. The articles aren't as pretty as the cover looks.
The parade of people who claim "I know how to..." is pretty long. Obama did a good job winning the popular vote on that one. And you don't even have to be religious to be a member of that club.
We all know Obama thinks he's god and doesn't believe in anything spiritual. Heck he doesn't even believe in the rule of law which explains his refusal to comply with the federal judges ruling declaring his health care bill unconstitutional.
Interesting take, Daniel.
Do the American people even rate candidates based on "I know how to?" Looking at recent elections and likely GOP candidates for 2012, it's not about knowledge. It's about image.
Obama sold the populace on one word: HOPE.
Clinton was actually the candidate who "knew how to" but she didn't have the charisma factor.
McCain also would have known "how to" run the country.
And he didn't have the charisma factor.
Palin has the charisma factor, but there are very few people who believe she knows "how to" do anything other than incite anger and make money promoting herself and her kids.
Speak for yourself. I know no such thing. Spirituality is individual. None of us has the first idea about Obama's direct relationship with the God of his understanding.
Couldn't agree with you more, MM.
Additionally, I think you're right about the charisma factor. The point about the "I know how to..." club is that most any American with an opinion would probably be a card carrying member, hence its importance. What I'm saying about Romney is true of a lot of people. He working on image rather than charisma, because he's got two strikes against him for his religion and being so duplicitous.
I think Obama is smart for being a little illusive about his spiritual inclinations. I feel the same way about mine.
Yada yada yada if Obama is so spiritual why did he eject his church and pastor of 20 years and why hasn't he chosen a new church and why in recent speeches where he quoted the declaration of independence but left out the reference to God?
No I don't know what's in his hear but neither do you but there is evidence to support my beliefs.
But, do his beliefs on religion have anything to do with government? We are founded on the premise of separation of Church and State. In our multicultural society, don't you think it's even more important to leave our religion out of our decisions on who is most qualified to lead the country?
Morality is an important quality to look for, but no religion has the corner on that.
Don't get me wrong. I'm hoping for an acceptable alternative in the next election, but I don't understand why this question is an issue to any of us.
Having just seen the newsclip of Obama delivering his speech at the Prayer Breakfast, it was quite obvious he is annoyed at those who question his faith. He handled it pretty much how I expected him to handle it.
I tried several times to find the video of his speech.
Finally got it, but was only able to listen to half of it.
Well, so far, he's gone from (last year) mocking Christians to, now, making jokes about God's intervention in life and using it all as a political tool. No heart to it at all; just mocking Fox News and the Right.
Gonna go back and try to find it and watch the second half, though I've no hint that it will get any better.....
So, he got around to claiming credit for the Faith Based and Neighborhood whatever, (a liberal spin-off or transformation of Bush's Faith-Based Initiative) that he turned into a civil-rights group basically, leaving, of course, some of the good things that the group does, probably in an effort to sanction the specific agenda he has for it. Nothing wrong with civil rights! But in his hands, yes, there is something wrong with the envelope he throws all of it into.
He said some good things, talked about humility (after showing no humility in the first half of his speech). Talked about the plans of God. Even spoke the name of Jesus Christ! Quite a transformation from his previous Prayer Breakfast. I assume that can be accredited to whoever wrote his speech! Because even though he talked about seeking the face of God, he should at least stop hissing like the devil before he does so....
Seriously, how anyone can get past that hissing is beyond me....
No evidence of any real heart change! He still picked and chose the Scriptures that seem to make God out to be someone with the liberalism he himself espouses. Talked about sin, but apparently fathoms nothing about changing his wicked ways.
His mentors seem to be mostly men with their own racial agenda. Even T. D. Jakes should've had him at the altar of repentance by now tellin' him how to be born-again, what a Christian really is. But I guess not. I hear Jakes doesn't believe in the Trinity anyway. So all of Obama's mentors can't even seem to show him the right path, only how to keep his political status based on his knowledge of activism.
During the presidential campaign, Barak Obama was being interviewed( can't remember by whom ). He was asked about his faith, he responded '' I am a Muslin ''. I seen him say it and I heard the response loud and clear.
The tape problably has been destroyed.
OBAMA refuses to have his records at Columbia to be released,afterall he promised a transparent presidency.Who is Barak Obama?
You forgot to mention his birth certificate that lists his name as Barack Hussien Obama. What's with the middle name, huh?
Have you heard that they are harvesting Obama's sperm and shipping it to the country of Africa? They are fertalizing hundreds of young women with the plan of starting an army of Obamas. the end of the world is near. Peace out.
Bill Maher swears Obama isn't a Christian. How would he know? I don't doubt Obama's religious inclinations. Actually, I don't think a POTUS would have to be religious to be a good leader, anyway. If BO were a great prez, I wouldn't care if he worshipped Athena - as long as he didn't force everyone else to do so.
I have read through this thread and am left with the feeling of amazement. It sent me wandering thru my gray matter and this is what I came out with.
The question arose in my mind that.....
Is it possible for a man, no matter how good intentioned,to come into office for 4 to 12 years and make changes that benefit the people?
First of all, at the speed of Government, the economic tide is swirling from years in the making. And any changes implemented would really take years to truly realize?
How can a man show up in Washington and upset the way things have been done for generations Because the governing people are the same. Only the puppets change?
If a man were elected into office and he decided to make change that was against the will of the governing body, How long do you suppose history would recount his presidency to be?
I love America because it is the most free place for me. And I cannot think of anyplace else that I would rather live in this era in time. And I believe that we have major problems but we are still the most free nation on this globe. That is my opinion.
But, I do not truly subscribe to the idea that the President has that much power. Of Course I could be wrong. But, hey that is my American born right to voice my opinion Right?
The separation of church and state in America
As if God is going to judge politician different from everyone else. America use to be filled with faith in Christ
The Ten Commandments in the public buildings
There Were Those Children who HAD to learn the Pledge of Legion
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
The Pledge of Allegiance
"I pledge allegiance"
(I promise to be true)
"to the flag"
(to the symbol of our country)
"of the United States of America"
(each state that has joined to make our country)
"and to the Republic"
(a republic is a country where the people choose others to make laws for them -- the government is for the people)
"for which it stands,"
(the flag means the country)
(a single country)
(the people believe in a supreme being)
(the country cannot be split into parts)
"with liberty and justice"
(with freedom and fairness)
(for each person in the country)
Church and state should be separate in every country of the world so that everybody enjoys the freedom given by the Creator-God .
It seems other countries don't mind be identified by their religous beliefs except some of us America NOW.
Should also add I think it's a bit arrogant of us to once again tell the world how they should think and act- Like us Americans.
All political figures in America have to at least pretend to be religious. Trying to stay in office without being religious in America simply will not work.
I think Obama is more likely to be a cupboard unbeliever myself. He has a decent education and would have left religion way behind.
I hate how our politicians in America have to pretend to be not only religious but Christian. Personally I believe Obama is probably an atheist (he seems too intelligent not to be), but I understand that if he wants to stay in office he has to play the game and play along with those who would throw a fit if they thought anyone un-Christian was leading the country.
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