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Lying is it wrong?

  1. Dave Mathews profile image60
    Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago

    Is lying Wrong?   Is lying a sin? Is the ommission of the truth or facts a lie, is it a sin? Are there degrees of lying and sinning, if so where should the line be drawn?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lying is wrong, yes.
      That's sometimes different from the ommission of truth.  Because there is such a thing as privacy or even secrecy when it comes to personal matters.
      So, no, I don't think there are degrees of lying and sinning.  Just degrees of what should or should not be voiced or admitted to.

      1. Dave Mathews profile image60
        Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Brenda Durham: I agree lying is wrong,totally I agree. Since failing to tell the truth is lying, how is it that failing to say anything if asked a direct question is not lying? One fails to deny or confirm the truth. Let's take a look. The police accuse someone of robbing a store. They neither confirm nor deny but ask for a lawyer. The police would then assume guilt, through an ommission of the truth.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Right.
          But that's different from a scenario of where someone asks you a personal question.  You don't have to tell them anything at all; maybe it's just none of their business or maybe you just want to keep it private.  So, in that case, omitting the truth or keeping silent about it isn't lying.
          And as long as you don't manipulate the situation to cause them to perhaps be decieved about the truth or perpetuate a lie, then your responsibilty is done; and their responsibility to NOT spread unfounded gossip is on their heads.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        --Brenda
        Lying is wrong, yes.
        --Brenda

        So,  in a situation like Nazi Germany where people were hiding Jews in their homes and/or places of business if the police asked if they were hiding Jews the people should reply; "Yes?"

        In this matter, Jews is the state's business. 

        Your full statement was:
        --brenda
        Lying is wrong, yes.
        That's sometimes different from the ommission of truth.  Because there is such a thing as privacy or even secrecy when it comes to personal matters.
        So, no, I don't think there are degrees of lying and sinning.  Just degrees of what should or should not be voiced or admitted to. --brenda

        I find your statement confusing.  To me, it seem contradictory.  Help me out here, please.

    2. RetailPrincess profile image59
      RetailPrincessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is wrong, but no one is perfect. We all tell a little lie, and embellish a story a bit. It makes life more interesting. As long as lie isn't hurting anyone's feelings, or will hurt their feelings if they knew the truth it's harmless, but you may look like a fool if you're telling tall tales. Lie at your own risk.

    3. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes lying is wrong.

      Lying holds no form of integrity. wink

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Interesting. 

        So,  in a situation like Nazi Germany where people were hiding Jews in their homes and/or places of business if the police asked if they were hiding Jews the people should reply; "Yes?"

        Do keep in mind the question is the states business.

      2. May PL profile image86
        May PLposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It is wrong, for sure. Even a half lie is not right as we are then not telling the truth as whole and complete as it should be smile

    4. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wrong or sin?

      If you enjoy and wish others to lie to you, then that would be the moral grounds from which one would decide if they should lie to themselves or others. Simple. smile

    5. DoubleScorpion profile image88
      DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "thou shall not bear false witness". justify this as you see fit...

      1. Dave Mathews profile image60
        Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I fully agree. Thou shalt not bare false witness against anyone. You are absolutely correct. Thou shalt not embelish, thou shalt not omit the truth to spare another either.

        1. May PL profile image86
          May PLposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Great bible reference.

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        stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But then the Jesus character did just that;

        John 7 (King James Version)

        2 Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand.   {situation set up}

        8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come.

        9 When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.

        10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

        Lies, secretiveness, and hypocrisy-oh, my!  {said in a Dorothy's Wizard of Oz tone}

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image88
          DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          yeppers you are correct...Makes you wonder don't it...

    6. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      According to some religious fundies on these hubs "lying" is ok with their god. They proclaim that the "heaven" will be full of liars. Go figure.

      1. Dave Mathews profile image60
        Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I know no religious fundamentalists who would make such a statement, definitely no Christian would state this.

        1. pylos26 profile image76
          pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well...I reckon i'm just a damned liar then. The post was made  while I responded to a hub written by "all shookup" about one year ago plus. I wouldn't do the research to prove i'm correct, but its in there.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes; lying is wrong; one should avoid it.
      There is no doubt about it though.

  2. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    Get the program from the fifties called 'One Step Beyond', on a local station here.
    Last night the show was about a crooked car salesman who buys a haunted car, wherein who ever owns it, has to tell the truth and cannot tell a lie. The condition persists until the car is sold to someone else.

  3. SpanStar profile image61
    SpanStarposted 6 years ago

    I believe God doesn't put degrees on lying- sin is sin.

    Why wouldn't lying be wrong?  You anyone like to make friends with a banker for example who has taken your money and placed it in an account but only have of your money is in that account as they tell you that's all the money you gave me?

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      stoneyyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting.

      So,  in a situation like Nazi Germany like I mentioned in a reply to Brenda and Cagsil in this thread applies and is handled in what way?  Do keep in mind the question is the states business.

      --spanstar
      I believe God doesn't put degrees on lying- sin is sin.
      --spanstar

      I see a problem here.  A lie said in kindness to a person-say about the amount of pain a terminal cancer patient is in-is no different than walking up to a random person and blowing their head off.

      Since the one 'oh my' wipes out a myriad amount of 'good boy's' it doesn't matter what you do as the result remains the same.

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    just_curiousposted 6 years ago

    I think a lie, such as ' no you don't look fat in that dress' is not a lie. That is a kindness.

    Joking around is ok. As long as it is made clear at some point.

    But when you gain from the lie on, any way, or say it as an unkindness it would be sin.

    1. SpanStar profile image61
      SpanStarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I can see your point Just_Curious,

         However I believe God sees things the same as we do for if we look at Jesus's life I don't see where he make remarks like that- they were always as true as they can be, from how I see it.

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        just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I understand where you are coming from, but Jesus said Love God and Love Your Neighbor. That is what the laws are for. I just believe that every decision made must take that statement into  account first and foremost.

      2. stilljustwonderin profile image60
        stilljustwonderinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        When the woman caught in adultry was brought to Jesus and they asked him about stoning her, he didn't say yes or no.  He said He with no sin cast the first stone.  He answered the question in a way that they had to answer it for themselves.

  5. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    Is it wrong to lie to myself?

    1. Dave Mathews profile image60
      Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I suppose so. You tell yourself that you are attractive. Then every person you run into tells you how bad you look. You lied to yourself you got hurt by others comments of the truth.

    2. May PL profile image86
      May PLposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why would you want to do that anyway?

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    niru786posted 6 years ago

    Lying is sometime bad when we hurt to somone.

    but when we give pleasure by lying and not hurted anyone then it is good.

    More about it by an indian God : look
    Indian God

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      oh dear....

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    Home Girlposted 6 years ago

    Lie is always a lie. It's a low deceiving trick. You  can always tell the truth without hurting, you don't have to lie. If you don't know how - better not tell anything.

    1. May PL profile image86
      May PLposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I so agree, sometimes it is just as well to keep quiet!

      1. Dave Mathews profile image60
        Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "Wrong"! keeping quiet is lying by ommission it is still a lie. Speak the truth and nothing but the truth.

  8. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    Judge Judy says: "you don't have to have a good memory if you tell the truth".

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      Home Girlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good point.

  9. SpanStar profile image61
    SpanStarposted 6 years ago

    I saw a video a few months ago where family and friends came together and cranked a prank where the father saw a recording of lottery number read off and as the father saw he had the winning numbers he was just beside him, jumping around and almost out of breath.

       He was so happy- that is until they told him it was a prank

    was this lie ok?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I saw that!
      I thought it was horrible!
      I felt so bad for the victim of that joke.

      1. SpanStar profile image61
        SpanStarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So did I Brenda,

           He seemed hurt from being taken out of what looked to him a bright future.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          For any Christian,

          If you took a vacation to Iraq and were capture by some Muslim nut jobs , Then they told you, we are Muslins and we are killing christian today.

          Are you going to tell them you are not Christian and save your life?

          OR are going to tell them you are Christian and die?

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            just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'd take death, I hope.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I honestly don't know.
            I HOPE I would tell them that I'm a Christian, yes.  Not "Christian", but a Christian.

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            kirstenblogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            This reminds me of stories that came out of Nazi Germany, about non-jews wearing the star of david in public to show solidarity in the face of the very real threat of being put in a camp. Honestly in this situation I would hope I would be able to lie and say I was a christian, that lie could illustrate a deeper truth about killing people for such petty reasons.

            My feelings about lying is that when you feel the need to lie its like having a fever. When you have a fever it is a sign, a sign that you are ill and something is wrong. When you feel the need to lie it is a big warning sign that something is wrong. More often then not it is a sign of something wrong with the choices we are making in our life. On rare occasions the problem is external, something wrong with society and the world we live in. When that is the case I cannot pass judgment on the person lying, I don't think anyone can.

  10. SpanStar profile image61
    SpanStarposted 6 years ago

    No question Castlepaloma,

        You have a point unfortunately Christians have been faced with that same situation all through history and I'm not saying I could accept choosing death but if I were a true Christian then I should be willing to give up my life if it is for the glory of God as so many others have in the past.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good grief! You guys really want the martyr thing dontcha?
      How funny that you cannot define it - yet would choose death and conflict instead of turning the other cheek. Why is that?

      1. SpanStar profile image61
        SpanStarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        This may sound foreign to you but it's called [ trust ]

        More then anything God wants us to trust him.  I'm guessing there's more faith in trust then in knowing.  (still I know this doesn't mean anything to you)

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No - it doesn't mean anything full stop. If you actually believed this garbage - you would do as the bible tells you to do and stop fighting.But - no - you prefer to fight. Like wot Jeebus sed.

          You cannot define it - but you feel comfortable telling me wot god wants. Seems to me yo0u just get a kick out of saying wot god wants. wink

          No wonder your religion causes so many conflicts. sad

          1. SpanStar profile image61
            SpanStarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What ever  my religion causes are you glad you don't have to have a darn thing to do with it!

            When you talk what Christians should do why don't you start with tell people they should obey the laws and stop all the killing when never stop which goes for your unending nagging of trying to tell Christians how they should live their life.

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        just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Son of a gun. Was that an option? Hey everybody, I've changed my mind. Could I just not lie and turn the other cheek? Thanks for catching that Mark.

  11. Woman Of Courage profile image60
    Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago

    Yes, I agree that lying is wrong and it's a sin.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Everybody has lied in their lifetime,(to degrees) it like everybody farts , just not everybodies amits it,

      Why would you not lie to save your life, do you not love your self first,

      No wonder there is more suicides than war, terror and murder combine and more under the name of God, than any other reason,

      God has forgiven you for all the other lies, why not is one?

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        just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't think you understand we see that as a denial of Christ, worse than a lie to any Can christian. It would be a horrible thing to think ourselves capable of doing. I'm sure we would not blink to lie about something simple, if it would save out lives.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We? LOL

          As I thought - you were not being entirely truthful about the bandwagon. Oh well - fortunately - you can lie with impunity as long as you sez the majic words. sad

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            just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Again, you don't understand the band wagon concept. I am voicing my opinion, as are you. I see the band wagon as something you sit on and let others tell you what to think.

            Maybe it is simply a difference in our definitions. Maybe we need to figure that out first, before you judge me.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No - I understand just fine. You lump yourself in the Christian bandwagon - that much is clear. Not worried about telling lies either it appears. No wonder your religion causes so many fights. sad

              Tell me wot the bandwagon (bible) sez again. lol

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                just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You know what? You are absolutely right. We was not the word to use. I believe that to deny Christ is wrong, and simply used that word because I want to think it is a universal belief. I should have said me instead of we. I have no right to make assumptions.

                Thank you for correcting me.

        2. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Interesting, so it behooves Christians to lie as they don't see that worse than the acceptance of their beliefs whereas others would see it the other way round. smile

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            just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm sorry, I don't follow that. Would you be so kind as to explain?

            1. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              If the Christian sees lying as not as bad as denying the beliefs in their god, then the Christian will most certainly lie if the subject matter surrounds their god and the denial thereof. smile

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                just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No. I don't think that is true. Not for me. This is not a denial of God, but a denial of His time among us. A denial of the resurrection. I don't follow your argument that to refuse to deny something I hold to be true would lead me to lie about my faith.

                What part of your argument am I missing?

                1. Beelzedad profile image60
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  That is essentially a denial of magic. And, while I'm sure you don't deny the magic of the resurrection, you'd most certainly deny magic under other circumstances. smile

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                    just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Hey, I missed this one. Magic and miracles are not the same thing. Different source entirely. I would assume magic today is little more than well planned illusion.

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                just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hey, I slept on your statement and I see your point. Maybe it's true of some when caught in the moment of a heated exchange with people over the topic of religion. But, people who believe in God are not lying to themselves. In their hearts they know the truth of what they believe.

                What purpose do you think it would serve to be dishonest with oneself on such a point?  It is unfathomable, and the statement is one that contributes to the conflict. Implying that people are deluding themselves and others in some way on the basic concept their religion was born from.

                Sorry. I know it is not common practise here to post a second reply.

                1. Beelzedad profile image60
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hearts pump blood, it is the brain in which one refers to knowing. Knowing a truth and being indoctrination are two separate things. The so-called truths held are the result of indoctrination, not a result of actually knowing something.



                  With indoctrination, the person wholeheartedly accepts the irrational without question. 



                  That's what atheists say, too. smile

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                    just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Truth is truth. No amount of indoctrination, or lack thereof, can change that. Sorry, I humbly disagree with your assessment.

      2. Woman Of Courage profile image60
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Castlepaloma, I have answered the question of this thread. "Lying is it wrong?"  I never stated in my reply above that I would not lie to save my life. Reread my post please. I really hope I would say I am a christian and die.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    Amazing.  When a scenario like that is presented, some people persist in placing blame on Christians, conveniently leaving out the terrorists from the start!   Wow.

  13. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    "conveniently leaving out the terrorists from the start!" Where do the terrorists start?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Don't get me wrong, I see America no better or worse than any other country in the World. Yet, there is some down sides, USA is not the most peaceful and happiest nation in the world.

      When I see one million Iraqi killed on Iraqi soil and no Iraqi have killed an American on America soil. So, let’s leave out the Christian an eye for eye bible quote out of this.

      If lying is unacceptable among the 78% Christian America, why the USA is more like Sodom and Gomorrah than any other nation in the world,

      What is the real purpose of having Christianity anyways?

      1. SpanStar profile image61
        SpanStarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        From where I sit America will be judged by God for no one will escape God's judgement.

        Once again from my position it is way to walk in the ways of Jesus the Christ.  The world and the way we behave is not pleasing to God and if one is a true Christian then they will be an example for the world.

            I Did Say IF

  14. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    "I'm sure we would not blink to lie about something simple, if it would save out lives." "Lie to me".

  15. frogdropping profile image85
    frogdroppingposted 6 years ago

    Lying is lying. Doesn't matter how you put it - lying is the moment you withhold the truth - irrespective of whether you open your mouth and spout something to avoid the truth - or avoid saying anything at all.

    Keeping things to yourself isn't in the same class when you talk of lying by omittance. If someone asked what I've made on Hubpages this month - I'd say nothing at all or 'none of your business'.

    As for terrorists - often times their purpose is based in a belief, usually a religious one. Which brings it back to the oft thrown out 'religion causes death and mayhem'.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The odd time you lie, like in the case, you can  save your own life, is understandable. In this case this kind of lying is because you do not want to do it.

      Now BS lying, you don't even care that you lie about or you really don’t care for all people concerned like other religious countries different than yours, like they are sub human to you?

      Is the Bible the biggest BS story ever told?

      Or are the people who control the masses through the bible or other one book religious wonders, the greatest BSers?

  16. Lady_E profile image82
    Lady_Eposted 6 years ago

    Lying is a negative word - ofcourse it's wrong.

  17. SpanStar profile image61
    SpanStarposted 6 years ago

    People are the ones who do the lying and we've done it endlessly why do we blame others like the bible for things we do all the time?

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You don't need to blame the bible, give credit where credit is due, the blame rests on childhood religious indoctrination. smile

  18. theseus profile image70
    theseusposted 6 years ago

    Lying is wrong,period. There is no justification that would make it right,no matter how good the intention behind the lie maybe.Doesn't it that our parents always say that we should not tell a lie because liars go to hell?

  19. Gregoryy profile image60
    Gregoryyposted 6 years ago

    Lying is mostly wrong!! The bible says its wrong to bear flae wittness!! however it also says to treat others as u would like to be treated. So if ur lying to protect sum1 close to you it may be nessasary

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ok, so you don't lie, the Muslim kills you for being Christian.
      Next thing, you find yourself talking to Lord Satan, and you say, I'm a Christian and did not tell a lie this time.

      Then Satan says, suicide is a far greater sin than lying, God would have forgiven you for a lie, that's why you are in HELL now, sorry that’s the rules,

      Can a Christian ever win?

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    Home Girlposted 6 years ago

    Basically it is  too short a question for the answer that is so complicated.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The greatest pass time in America is lying.!!!
      From day you are born your parents are telling you’re the most beautiful thing they have ever seen, to me you look like a lizard.

      Then they tell you the Ester Bunny, Santa Clause, Tooth fairy are all real then afterwards, they admit they were lying, and you just forget about it and move on in believing  all the tales in the bible are real too. Then you find out the world is not flat, the earth is longer than 6000 years old.

      Someone must be lying is it the 650 years old immortal jelly. Or is it that 4 billion year old evolution claim by most scientists. Or are it all other and other religions (most people) lying because Christianity is the universal truth and the only right way to God.

      With so much mistrust going on, how is it possible to love most people on earth?

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        Home Girlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Until UFO landed we are stuck with people with all their naked bravado.

        1. Midnight Oil profile image88
          Midnight Oilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't think I have seen a naked bravado before, but I have had a very sheltered life - should I ask my mother what one is ? wink

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    Daewalkerposted 6 years ago

    The whole human organized world is built on a series of lies
    that are perpetually repeated daily by mass media and accepted
    by the masses. This world is likened to a house built on shifting
    sands until a great storm came and totally demolished it and great
    was the fall! Therefore, no doubt World War 3 will happen as it
    can be no other way! I have observed many people say they want
    the truth 100% of the time until the truth is not to their
    advantage then they have little us for it. Basically,people want
    the things they want and the truth when inconvenient or not
    advantageous is disregarded every day in every way. Look at mass
    market advertising bold lies are stated and accepted daily so
    how long can we last if the foundation of human society is based
    on lies most assuredly we cannot!!!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Daewalker
      Welcome to the forum

      Believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see, that old saying

      I have more  Evangelizing Tolerance than that , but when they tell me there is no contradiction in the Bible, I get that creepy brainwashing feeling along with the greedy rich.

  22. Cristen Rodgers profile image82
    Cristen Rodgersposted 5 years ago

    This is the problem with masses trying to generalize right and wrong...inconsistencies.  If we would all just consider ourselves as wholly interconnected, we would need no such generalized terms like 'lying' that leave too much room for subjective analysis. All we have to do is consider, 'would I do this to myself?' or 'would I appreciate this if it were done to me?'.  Then all answers would be clear concerning 'right' and 'wrong'.

 
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