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What would be the weakness of Evangelical Christians today?

  1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
    Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago

    When you look various churches today, what can we say about the weakness of Christians and churches? What are the issues that we are facing in the church today? If we see their weakness, how can we help and develop to be more effective and relevant for people surround us?

    1. kess profile image59
      kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      blind leaders and blind followers.....


      Blindness is their only error....

      1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
        Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Kess,  in what areas, blind leaders and blind followers are blinded? Can you clarify your arguments?

        1. kess profile image59
          kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Find the scribes and pharisees and you find the christians

          Know the blindness of the scribes and pharisees and you know the blindness of the christians.

          They both build a foundation of a false word of god...thus thier foundation itself is ignorance or blindness.

          1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
            Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Kess, thank you for your answers... Is there anything that you want to say about the openness of the christian? Or you do not see any openness of Christian?

            1. kess profile image59
              kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              All a christian need to do is to forsake their word of god so that they may find the true word of God...

              In that they would free themselves from their blindness and hypocrisy.

              But I tell you truly as long as a christian remain a christian his blindness will remain.

              1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
                Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I see,,... kess, can you share me about your belief? If i am not offended to you. I love to hear from your own experience how you come to know Jesus or how you become a christian? Or the reason you don't want to be a christian?

                1. kess profile image59
                  kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  WHY DO YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS?

                  Are you going to write a book, or sermon, or just boast among the brethren about the great work that god has done through you in this forum.

                  If that is the case then moast assuredly I tell you will speak falsely of me just as christian speak falsely about Christ, whom they call Jesus. and this is inevitable because they never knew him just as you can never know me....as long as you remain christian.

                  Any man whose identity is within a religious circle be it christian ,jew, muaslim etc, or a proffession as doctor, lawyer etc.., That one is in error and do not yet know the Christ nor himself.

                  For the Father does not make followers, for followers do not know what the father is about... but the Father only has Son...These sons know exactly the Father business and there isno heirachy among the Father nor the Sons...


                  So Just as the father is So I am and Just as the Christ is so I am.

                  So therefore whosoever seek after the second coming of the Christ and do not find it as themselves are still under the influence of the antichrist which has already dominated this entire world...and christianity as the chief henchman.

                  1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
                    Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Kess , thank you for your comment. The reason is that i want to know the weakness of Christianity as i am a believer of Christ. So that we can learn from our weakness to be more like Christ in action, life and ministry.
                       Tell me more about your views on Christians, i am pleasure to read your comments

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      clinging to superstition eg that disease is caused by sin/demons is not exactly helpful.  Neither is attacking evolution with twisted lies. 

      And christians from different denominations are at odds with one another & argue that their interpretation of bible/doctrine is only true one

      Being hyper-judgmental and treating their belief as fact is also highly irritating

      1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
        Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Baileybear, thank you for your contribution! what else that you would like to say about Christianity today?

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I think childhood indoctrination is wrong.  Also christians do not take enough personal responsibility - every thing bad is blamed on humans or the devil.

          I don't see how people living in a time when they didn't have flush toilets can be relevant today.

          1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
            Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Baileybear, the point you mention " every thing bad is blamed on humans or the devil" is true. Some times, when good things happen to us, we just believe that it's from the Lord, but when bad things happen to us, we say that it's from Satan,. In fact, some are inflicted to us by Satan but not all.. Sometimes, because of our own wrong choice, we encounter problems and hardship in life. In such issue, than we don't want to take responsibility.  I find that prayers, seeking God's will and asking his discernment for every decision that we make is so critical because God know the best for us and but if we ignore to seek his will in our life, it is easy to make a wrong choice due to our limited understanding... thank you for comment..

            1. getitrite profile image80
              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You just turned around and did exactly what Baileybear said Christians do.

              You just took some of the blame for bad things off of Satan, and placed it squarely on man...but totally excused your God.

              Are you completely unconscious of how insane your religion is?

              If the masses of deluded people could start to think critically, instead of listening to absurd assertions like yours, this fraudulent belief would be finished.

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                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hey getitrite. This is just a good man, trying to find insight. I don't think he wanted to argue the point of religion. Your comments might be perceived as ludicrous.

                1. getitrite profile image80
                  getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Then I gave him all the insight he should need.  His whole belief system is a fraud.  Should I lie to this "good man?"



                  But religion is the problem. Organized religion is a scam that should be done away with.  This should resolve all his questions.



                  Being angry makes you say some absurd things sometimes.  Why don't you just say that you are angry with me.

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm not angry with you. I was simply pointing out that your posts were so off base to what he is trying to accomplish that you are wasting your time, and not coming from a position you might want to remember later. That's all.

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                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Getitrite's comments aren't ludicrous to me.  He hasn't sugar-coated his comments, that's all.

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              yet, God murdered more people than satan in the bible & inflicted all humans with illness, death and suffering for the first human's first mistake - eating a piece of fruit - what kind of parent is that to punish way out of proportion to the crime? 

              The God in the OT is no better than Hitler.  How can you say you love him?

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                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I've said this before, but I'll post it again for you benefit. By the atheists on this site's count, they say God has slain thirty two million since the count started. In the last hundred years atheistic regimes have slaughtered over one hundred seventy million. Perhaps, you could enlighten me as to which is the more deadly philosophy. If you won't open your eyes to the horrors of the world we live in, why on earth do you harp about the distant past?

                1. simeonvisser profile image89
                  simeonvisserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Strictly speaking, you'd need to adjust the calculations for the number of people on the planet. When there are less people around, the total death count will of course be lower. However, that does not mean God was any less brutal.

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Please continue to wear your blinders. It's worked out well so far. That is not the intent of the message of the Old Testament. That was a bloody world. If you doubt the Bible, read the history book you trust. That was the God for that world. The New Testament shows a view of what the world could be. If we'd work together. Whether we believe in a God or not, the lessons contained are  invaluable.

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                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  are you making excuses for your god?  you're comparing apples with oranges.  What makes you think your god hasn't gone on to kill more?  Especially if he/she/its the same yesterday, today, forever

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Inasmuch as you have no concept of my  concept God, we cannot argue the point. But, I do understand where you are coming from. Really I do. Transfer the blame from the shoulders of who it should really sit on. Go look in the mirror. Imagine 7 billion others doing the same. You might catch a glimpse of the magnitudeof the true problem.

    3. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It's amazing that, with the phenomenal advances in science, people can still be persuaded to believe in the nonsense taught by churches. 

      The weakness of the church is that more people are waking up to the BS, and understanding that they have been outright lied to as a method to control them and their wallets.

      1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
        Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        getitrite, thank you for your comment.. Actually, as much as i am loved by Jesus, you are also loved by Him. Oneday, i pray that you would realize who loves you more than you love yourself.. It is Jesus who die for me and you !
        If you have more complains about Christianity, please do it more and i want to listen more from you!

        1. getitrite profile image80
          getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Based upon reality, you have nothing but a superstitious myth backing your statement up, making it, in essence a lie...this is a weakness--the inability to tell the truth.



          No offense, but you really need to present some proof of these nonsensical statements you make.  No one, to my knowledge, has died for me, and this is outright misrepresenting my life story.



          No you don't.  It goes in one ear, and flies out the other.

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        zampanoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Sience progress may be phenomenal, most people are still mentally at a methaphysical stage.
        Just look around and read the papers (or the forums).
        How many of us would know how a pressure cooker really works ?
        A lot of people still think that a kilo of lead should be heavier than a kilo of cotton and given the same volume, lead  should fall faster...
        So god is here to save his children...

        1. getitrite profile image80
          getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Sounds hopeless.

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            zampanoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm sorry. I didn't mean that.
            I was just caricaturizing to illustrate the point of view.
            For a lot of us, the only hope is god.
            For some others, hope is in human species, solidarity and cooperation among humans.
            Education and enlightening knowledge, in order to gain independence from superstition, blind violence, ethnocentrism and sectarism, so we can raise our children in peace.

    4. Onusonus profile image86
      Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The biggest problem I see is the people who are uncharitable. If we all consistantly devoted a little time each week or even month to the building up of our communities, and donated a little money to the less fortunate, then Christianity would show proof to the rest of the unbelieving world of the blessings which the holy life has to offer.

      1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
        Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Onusonus, thank you for that thoughtful concern about charity. Do you mean that Christians are not engaging enough to social concern like injustice in society, charity to the poor and so on,.... I find also in this way, we, the church need to be waken by the Holy Spirit... I appreciate for your comment.

        1. Onusonus profile image86
          Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Not so much social injustices, but rather when I go to church I tend see too many members who just don't have the ability to get off their butts and do the things that they are supposed to in order to build up the kingdom of God on earth.
          You have congregations full of people who love the lord, they come to church every Sunday, and for the most part they raise good families. But God want's more from them. It is a undeniable fact that the world is seet up so people have to be charitable in order for everyone to survive. There are destitute people out there and we need to seek them out, and pull them out of the mire.

    5. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Morals, ethics, the capacity for rational thought.



      Other than covering up morally and ethically bankrupt clergy buggering boys behind the pulpit all the while chastising and spitting venom at homosexuals?



      Don't pray. Take action. Do something about it. Immediately. smile

      1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
        Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        well thought and good suggestion, it is not only enough to pray for them, we have to do our part... i agree that. However, beyond what we can do in their lives, God's intervention only change them... We do our part and God will do his part... thanks for your comment

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          But, you haven't done a thing, nothing at all but cover it up and pretend it didn't happen. What action have you or anyone else taken against these hypocritical atrocities? What part have you done? smile

    6. Pandoras Box profile image83
      Pandoras Boxposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Update your entire story to something more believable. Most people just aren't that stupid anymore.

      Honestly I believe it is hopeless for religion. In a couple more generations christianity will have become completely irrelevant.

      Switch to buddhism or paganism or witchcraft. All of these are more believable and will of course last a bit longer.

      1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
        Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Pandoras , there is always hope for those who have personal relationship with Jesus.. I wish one day you will realize how much Jesus loves you! Thank you for your comment

    7. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Sinful greed?

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    just_curiousposted 5 years ago

    I don't go to any church, but I can tell you why I don't.

    Holier than thou. Do as I say, not as I do.

    Everyone, except this particular congregation is bound for hell. Christian, or otherwise.

    We've got some insight on the meaning of  uninterpretable text.

    We are going to be 'raptured'. Sorry, the rest of you will simply have to deal with the aftermath.

    These concepts push people away. I didn't step away from the faith but organized religion, in the manner our religion has evolved, pushes an agenda I can't agree with.

    1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
      Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Just_curious, thank you for your interaction about my questions.  If i am not mistaken your words, do you mean by saying this " Holier than thou. Do as I say, not as I do", the church leaders or the church do not practice what they are saying. Or they feel themselves that they are better than any one else in this world?

      How do you think about the nearness of rapture? If i am not mistaken, seems that you are waiting the immediate rapture that will come for the people of God to be with our Savior? Can you more clarify your believe on this issues. I am expecting to read more of your comments... thank you for your thoughts.... God bless...

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        just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The perception many have, myself included, is that a large percentage of Christians pay lip service to their Creator. They do not attempt to incorporate the teachings of Christ in their every day life. This does not reflect well. And yes, at times it does come off quite strongly that some Christians might believe themselves to be better than others.

        As far as the Rapture? Who knows. Jesus said that even the Son of Man did not know the time. Christians have anticipated the imminent return for over two thousand years. I think it might be past the time to realize no one knows when that time will come. To be honest, if there is going to be a Rapture, and that concept is open for conjecture; I doubt many of us have led a life worthy of the honor.

        I have faith in Christ. Not much faith left in man's ability to understand the meaning of His message.

        1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
          Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well, that's pretty true, no objection to some points, However, i think there are also thousands who sacrificially give their lives for the Lord and His ministry . In lip service Christianity, i think we should take serious on our identity as Christians to be salt and light. It is true that we should leave lip service and practice in personal life..
            How do you think what would be the reasons that many Christians can't practice what they say? Or do not practice what they believe? What would be the reasons and what are your suggestions to help them?

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            just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I don't know. The log in my own eye keeps me pretty busy. But, I think we forget sometimes that Christ, when preaching to the people, simply told them to look into their own hearts. No one else's. If we simply focused on trying to be better, as individuals, our example would be seen as a gift to the world; which might cause more people to understand the miracle of Christ. And want to know more.

  3. stilljustwonderin profile image61
    stilljustwonderinposted 5 years ago

    Just curious pretty much summed it up for me too.

    It seems people can see the wrongs of others, but not their own.
    No one is perfect, and we are not going to be while we are here.

    1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
      Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Stilljustwonderin, thank you for your pretty much curious on my question. You know i think in this way. As persons, it is very difficult to know our weakness by ourselves unless others tell us. That is my belief. The reason why i ask this question is that i would like to know how people see our Christianity? From that, we can learn what is our weakness, strong points and will find ways to progress in our journey of faith.
      I think you will see some weakness in our Christianity. If you are a christian, you may also share with us what is your experience in the church and ministry?  If you are not a christian, how do you see about Christianity? Anyway, thank you for your contribution

      1. stilljustwonderin profile image61
        stilljustwonderinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi.  I am a Christian.  As with just curious, I got tired of sitting in church hearing that if you weren't of that denomination you were going to hell.  I believe God looks at our hearts and not what denomination we claim to be.
        No one is perfect.  I'm not perfect.  I also felt like the preacher should stop trying to not offend and speak the truth.  Ya know, step on my toes!    My toes never got stepped on so I felt that something was missing.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That's odd. I would suspect that believers would welcome such threats of eternal damnation considering they make those threats all the time.

          I suppose a dose of their own medicine is the only thing believers understand. smile

  4. Tony L Smith profile image74
    Tony L Smithposted 5 years ago

    I think the church, or at least organized religion has put our creator in a box they they can understand. They have made Him like unto themselves.
    Therfore God has had to go outside of the box to accomplish a lot of His advancements. I am so glad He is not limited to organized church.

    1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
      Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Tony L Smith, that is pretty and awesome comment! Some times, yea, we limit God by our own understanding..  Can you give some of your thoughts about how to give God out from the box?

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    SirDentposted 5 years ago

    The biggest problem I see is that many know the Word but few know His voice.  Paul wrote about some coming in word but that he came in power. 

    The Holy Ghost has been pushed aside by so many, yet there are many who still follow the Holy Ghost. 

    Many are still immmature in Christ while others are mature.  They want to remain carnal in their thinking and in their lives while holding onto God.   

    Too many talk badly about organization instead of trying to fix it.  God is not a God of organizations but He is a God of people.  This doesn't make organization bad.  God is also a God of order.

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      Hell N0posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The very word evangelical is sinonimous with false doctrine, in my opinion.

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        Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        ahaha... good! Can we clarify the reason why you say it is " synoninous with false doctrine" ?

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          Hell N0posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Read my hubs buddy.  I don't mention them all but every major christian church doctrine is either totally or partially unscriptural.

    2. kess profile image59
      kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      See what I mean with this post?

      Their word of god is ineffective and without power.
      Nevertheless they persist with it anyway and cast the blame else where and as you can see with another false doctrine which makes their word of god separate from the Holy Spirit.

      But without those falacies christianity cannot be.... so they must continue with the statue quo....

      forever learning and never knowing...

    3. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
      Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      well comment i guess...Kess.. in which denomination you belong to? Your opinion is good to keep in mind for better understanding how people see about Christianity

      1. kess profile image59
        kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        come on man open your eyes

        1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
          Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Kess, go a head, i am listening ... i love to read your comments .. i really do.

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        just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Not to appear unkind, but I think when kess describes himself as the i am earlier, he was implying where he believes himself to stand in the pecking order.

        1. Van Lal Hmangaih profile image80
          Van Lal Hmangaihposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It is good that we come up with different perspective and that is important to better understanding ...

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    SirDentposted 5 years ago

    One more thing I think needs to be added.  It is hard to get anyone to agree on almost everything.  Everyone wants to go their own way it sems anymore instead of going the Way that is ordained of God.

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      Hell N0posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It's knowing what is ordained of God Dent.  And you obviously don't know.

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      even christians can't agree, so must be pretty hard to figure out what the right 'way' is

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        SirDentposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It really isn't that hard.  Follow after Jesus.  He knows the Way because He paved the Way and is the Way.

        1. getitrite profile image80
          getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Your version of Jesus, or one of the other 30,000 versions?
          That's not very simple to me.

  7. graceomalley profile image86
    graceomalleyposted 5 years ago

    I am a Christian and would like to answer the question.

    Main shortcomings of the traditional church:
    1) Pastors are like celebrities. Personally troubled, immature, charismatic, larger than life personalities with alot of family problems and substance abuse issues. (This may be just the US, if you are in another part of the world maybe this is different.)
    2) Churches are very control focused and enforce conformity.
    3) Churches and parachurch ministries use high pressure tactics to fund raise, and the poor are a disproportionate target.
    4) The church population is little different from the general population in terms of moral behavior and troubled relationships. Children of church leaders tend to be more troubled than average, not healthier than average. The divorce rate is the same in and out of the church. Considering that Jesus spoke so strongly against divorce, why aren't His followers at least a few percentage points above those who make no claim to follow Him?

    One has to wonder how serious these people are about Jesus.

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      my observations also.  Does this put you off being a christian?

  8. Tony L Smith profile image74
    Tony L Smithposted 5 years ago

    First, let me say that I also have limited myself to my understanding of the kingdom of God. I have also put God in a box so to speak. I have been and still am part of an organized group of believers who meet.
    To get God out of the box, I would have to agree with Sirdent's comment. Many know the Word but don't know His voice. To get out of the box you have to obey His voice. Our actions speak louder than our words. His voice will always cause us to take up our cross, die to our own opinions and bear fruit.
    And no, you can't please everybody, so just please the one who loves everbody.

 
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