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Will this Christian go to heaven even if he is a killer?

  1. tkindred profile image60
    tkindredposted 8 years ago

    What does God do with Christians like this?  Will he be forgiving and go to heaven?

    " (CNN) -- An evangelical preacher killed his wife several years ago and stuffed her body in a freezer after she caught him abusing their daughter, according to police and court documents.
    Anthony Hopkins appeared in court Thursday to face murder, rape and incest charges.

    Anthony Hopkins appeared in court Thursday to face murder, rape and incest charges.
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    Anthony Hopkins, 37, was arrested Monday night at the Inspirational Tabernacle Church of God in Christ in Jackson, Alabama, just after he had delivered a sermon to a congregation that included his seven other children, officials said.

    He faces charges including murder, rape, sodomy, sexual abuse and incest"

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    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/31/pre … ef=topnews

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      Zarm Nefilinposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I wouldn't wish hell on Hitler, even if someone like Hitler had it out for me.

      However I might allow my hatred to compel me to kill someone like Hitler.

      Hell is a pretty disproportionate concept regarding punishment, and as such it really exists to convince people to keep toeing the party line within Christianity.

      Hell is neither a corrective place, nor is Hell reformative.  It is pure vindictiveness and Christians often try to sidestep the vindictiveness of Hell by saying that "God" is only giving the sinner what He/She wants, when the reality is that while some people may not like the idea of being with the Christian God for all eternity, they sure as hell wouldn't desire to suffer for all eternity.

      It is pure vindictiveness that does not fit the degree of any crime that any human could commit.  It is a constant source of self righteousness for many religious believers (and I know this because I used to be one), to know that they will be vindicated by God in regards to the suffering they received at the hands of those they deem wicked.

      It is vile and disgusting and petty (imo), but in the grand scheme of things it is really water off the ducks back for most believers.

      The one's who fear it the most are usually the one's who are far into the trap (I have found).

      Organized religion is like the Hotel California.

      1. leftquark profile image60
        leftquarkposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        You have brought up a good point that shows a contradiction in many people's concept of God.  God cannot be all loving yet allow people to be punished in Hell for eternity.  No matter how bad of a person you are, your sins on Earth are finite.  An all loving God would not punish someone for infinity for finite sins.

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          Zarm Nefilinposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly, if anything an "all loving God" at a minimum would mete out finite punishment for finite transgressions.

    2. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      due to chrestian rules, you go to heaven if :
      1-you were good enough.
      2-you accept Jesus as your lord and that he died for our sins.

      the question is:
      what sins? Adam's or ours?
      why? can't God forgive us without all of these?
      people can forgive? can't God?

      1. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Good points.Jesus did take up the sins of many humans but not off all. Its not fair to say he will take our sins and then we do what is wrong.Poor guy give him a break.

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      sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I like what my dad always said: f**k um, let God sort them out!  smile

      1. topstuff profile image59
        topstuffposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Its also right.

  2. leftquark profile image60
    leftquarkposted 8 years ago

    It's interesting how many different answers you could get to this question depending on who you ask. Many people take the stance that God punishes the wicked and rewards the good.  However, according to most interpretations of the Bible, this this man, no matter how terrible he has acted, will go to Heaven if he is truely remorseful and believes Jesus died for his sins. 

    Situations like this should really make people think about their idea of God.   I could never believe in a God that would allow a man like this go to Heaven because he is Christian but will punish an overall good person who does not believe in the Christian God even if they follow Christian values.

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      Zarm Nefilinposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Very good point.  Well said.

      1. topstuff profile image59
        topstuffposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        So one has a free hand to do the wrong witout any
        fear of punishment.The concept of hell and heaven become
        flimsy at this point.

        1. mlm writer profile image60
          mlm writerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          The Christian interpretation of "Grace" is somewhat flimsy, I have to admit.  I myself am a Christian, but I have trouble with the idea that on the one hand, salvation is unconditional, but on the other hand, you only get it if you meet certain conditions, namely, believing that God answers only to one name.  I think that these days, Jesus might not become a Christian.

  3. Mark Knowles profile image59
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    And there is a far simpler answer to all these silly questions smile

    Occam's razor.

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Whats that?

    2. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Ozzam or Azzam?

  4. Mark Knowles profile image59
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    Ozzam, Occam lol

    Occam's razor:

    "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."

    big_smile

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Lovely smile and thanks.

 
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