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What is guilty pleasure in TV televangelist shows?

  1. Castlepaloma profile image25
    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago

    How much can any of you sit through an entire broadcast of Jack Van Impe, or Peter Popoff, or Benny Hinn, or Pat Robertson. I can’t help laughing my head off over Van Impe with his sell on hellfire doomsday.

    Van Impe says that he is not a televangelist, he says “I’m a TV analyst:  wail he preaching hate against President Obama. 

    What’s your Guilty pleasure spooky show?

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      just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Except for the name Pat Robertson, I had never heard any of these names.  Why would you watch that stuff? It's like pro wrestling to me, or maybe Jerry Springer. If that's where you are getting your idea of the average Christian from Castle, I understand the odd take you have on religion. smile

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Perhaps we share a love of true comedy. smile It is hilarious! lol

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          just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't know.  I like to laugh, but those things sicken me.  They are taking advantage of poor people that don't appear to know any better.

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            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Not only do they not know any better, you couldn't drag them away from their loony pastor. Poor dears! smile

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              just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It does appear as if that's true. It's quite sad, really.

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                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I see there are no takers for my explanation of where religion comes from in the brain and how it is a part of fear. smile

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                  just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I wouldn't begin to argue your first point. You could be right or wrong. I'm sure there is evidence you consider weighty enough to make that claim. The fear part might hold true for religion, but I don't think it holds true for everyone of belief. What's to fear? When you die it's either the end, or the start of something else. A simple true or false answer. smile

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    To see the second point, the heart of religiosity itself, I believe sufficient proof was provided in early experiments on an individual who was fitted with a galvanic probe to this area of his brain resulting in a reversal of psychotic behavior. This study alone makes a very strong case about belief without any further evidence, of which there is plenty from many sources, Jung included. I like empirical evidence. Show me an answered prayer that happens twice and I am already keen to know more.
                    I prefer to read widely in science, brain chemistry and psychology these days so I can keep up with my grandchildren. smile

                    For example Lawrence Krauss can give you the exact time of the big bang, how old the universe is, the age of the earth, and although these theories have some problems (mostly covered if string theory is to be believed)they stand up fairly well during the harsh scientific process where all new theories need to dovetail with those that are accepted already. Failing that dovetailing, if the new data is better, science has to start a new thread. smile

      2. Castlepaloma profile image25
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        just_curious

        Thats why I ask what is your Guilty pleasure at times I can't my eye it like watching a train wreck like with Van Impe? Very rare can I sit through an entire broadcast of  televangelist.

        These televangelist. flood the TVs air far greater than pro wrestling fights. Pretty much all of have been told Santa is not real, but many of these clowns still grow up thinking pro wresting is real . When 90% of Americans do not travel out side of their country. Imagine what the 97% Christian that don't go to church on a  regardly bases are doing a home in front of their TV set on Sunday, they also watching brosdcasts everyday.

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          just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Castle,  many Americans don't leave the states for the simple reason that it's a big a-- country. Put your finger on the map at most any point in Europe, draw a circle with a 300 mile radius and you'll find yourself traveling outside of the country. I love to travel, I adore doing it outside of these borders; but there's a lot to explore here. We are a nation of nature lovers, sometimes first and foremost.

          As to your assumption of a christian, I live firmly within a typical american lifestyle. Most, if not all, of my neighbors would identify themselves as christian (with the exception of one gentleman I met here once, who was a particularly abrasive bast-d)  With the exception of the elderly, who have personal reasons to try to buy their way in to heaven, I know of no one who watches this crap, or takes it seriously.

          I don't laugh at these people because I see them as lonely and confused. I can't crawl into their heads to help them, but of do still feel sorry for them and wish these telecasts wouldn't be so quick to take advantage. I do believe there should be laws against it.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image25
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Canada is bigger than the USA in area and I meet more Canadians on my worldwide tours then Americans, maybe because I go to more off beat places. The main reason an American stay within America is because many Americans think -it is the world

            I’ve done many jobs everywhere in the USA most often I stay in Motels or Hotels and always click through a cable TV channel changer and always find many broadcast of televangelist.

            How did you miss them?

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              just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, to be honest, I record the shows I want to watch and watch them at my leisure; but I don't really flip channels. I get my news from the internet, or print. Lucky me, if what you say is true.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image25
                Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Many people do get out whack from too much news and also with these broadcasts of televangelist. , Just to let you know where many of these Christian are at.

                Yes, you are better off, keeping more of your own council

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                  just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  If you took all of the people you see in those shows and put them in a pro football stadium I doubt you would fill up the seats. I find it difficult to believe they constitute more than a small fraction of our population.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image25
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Televangelist attempts to keep Accuser Quiet on what they earn and veiwers.

                    I found a lot of them pulled in an estimated $80 million per year,

                    Robertson and Hinn are both net worth at 1 billion each

                    Osteen estimated 7 million veiwers every week,  If a football stadium seat  60,000 people, Qsteen Televangelist  alone would fill almost a 100 football staduims each week or close to 7 full NFL seasons for one football team. Now add up all the Televangelist and how many foodball staduim they can fill up and imagine it all weekly, seems Televangelist are bigger than NFL veiwer too.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Castle, not to sound rude, but maybe reconsider your idea of the "closed-minded" American.  I would give my left arm to travel to several spots in the world, but traveling is expensive.  Contrary to what many folks outside the States seem to think, not everyone in America is wealthy, or has the disposable income to hop a boat or plane to anywhere they'd like to go.  Some of us would love to go and see LOTS of places.  Unfortunately, we have jobs - which don't always allow us to take off on a whim.  We also have mortgages, car payments, medical bills, and a host of other things that we need to be concerned about. 

              And, while someone may not be well-traveled, that does not make them unintelligent, unaware, or careless about the rest of the world.  Some people read, watch the news, converse regularly with people from other countries and cultures EVERY day.  It may happen online or, in my case, in real life.  Oddly enough, I live in a very American city.  I'm often the only one in a crowd of people who speaks English.  I'm generally surrounded by many cultures, many languages, and many belief systems different from my own. 

              And even if to the average American, America IS the world - there's no shame in that.  Home is home.  Some people love their homes and don't feel a need to leave them constantly.  A wandering body may be the sign of a wandering heart. It may not.  But, just because the average American doesn't bump into you in all of your off-beat spots doesn't mean that they're closed minded or uninformed.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image25
                Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I am no better or worse than anyone else,

                I'm sorry so many Americans got robbed by Bush and the many rich pirates through bailouts and ongoing war policy and the many souls that have been taken by Televangelist.

                I envision a new beginning from this great American abuse and finally they are waking up from sleeping the American dream. Starting to see street protest because the people are sick and tired plus had it of being taken by the rich.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Ummm, I'm not quite sure how that addresses the point I was making, but thanks for acknowledging the post.

                  smile

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                just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Motown, we don't have to apologize. It is typical European behavior to look at us as provincial.it doesn't make it right, it is simply prejudice.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  It is prejudice, and it's sad.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image25
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm no better or worse than anyone else, maybe you missed that part.

                    How does that make me prejudice. We all have up sides and down sides,  it just America has them in more extremes and more often as of late.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well, Van Impe I can tolerate much better than Benny Hinn.  If Benny would actually preach more instead of being a showman, I'd listen to him more.   Pat Robertson's show has a lot of good points and guests on it, as does Robertson also make some very good points.

      I take exception to your statement that Van Impe preaches hate against Obama.   Telling the truth and exposing the horrid behavior of someone does NOT equal to preaching personal hatred.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image25
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I f call obama the anti christ and the mean to Judgment day ,how hateful can you get?

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Perhaps Mr. Obama (and others) should actually ponder the concept that Van Impe might be right.  I think if Obama actually would open up the Bible and read some of it like the Christian he's lauded as, he might see his error himself.  But he's way too proud for that so far.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image25
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Obama claims he is a devoured Christian, he respects Muslim well enough. Who can tell, president are one the greatest liars, it's what’s in the hearts that counts.

            Regardless I do not hate anyone, it's an illness.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              haha
              "devoured"

              ...it's more like he's a devourer...

              Good for you that you don't hate anyone.  Neither do I.  And I really doubt that Van Impe does either...
              I think you're more likely to find that in Barack's heart...if you listen closely to his words and watch him in action.

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                just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Brenda, this is not to imply that agree with government policy, but Obama is a good man, who honestly cares about the American people. If anyone is calling him Anti Christ I think they owe him an apology. On national tv if they are saying it on tv.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Wow I just saw this.
                  No apology will be forthcoming from me.  Truth is truth.
                  And even if it weren't, Obama himself would actually owe CHRISTIANS an apology first!

                  Notice I've never said Obama is THE "Antichrist".  Because I don't believe there is or will be on single individual who is that.   But I'm perfectly comfortable saying his policies and his behavior and his words ARE indeed anti-Christian.  I do not, indeed, believe he is a "good man".  He is, however, just a man.  But one with antichrist sentiments.
                  And HE wears it on his sleeve!
                  That fact alone gives me the right to wear MY views on my sleeve too! lol
                  And I have the right even IF he didn't.

                  And I most assuredly wouldn't think VanImpe should apologize either.  If Obama doesn't want to be seen as "antichristian", he shouldn't behave and speak like that.

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                    just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Which sentiments exactly? I assume when you use the term anti christ it either means against christianity, or it means evil. I'm not aware of any sentiments he has shared that fall into one of these categories, however, I am always willing to learn something new.

              2. Castlepaloma profile image25
                Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Predictions  and  False Prophecy 2012

                Dead at 82 - cover up by Fox, Global TV to ensure ...

                Pastor Jack Van Impe has died after a long illness attributed to lifelong cigarette smoking and complicated by alcohol abuse. His recent affliction with dementia was evident on and off the air by his hateful rants that all Muslims are terrorists, that Jesus is returning rapture ready Dec. 21, 2012 and President Obama who Van Impe said is a Muslim will lead the New World Order and spread socialism. I think Barack Hussein Obama is the Devil. ... This is just more of the sensationalist, Jack Van Impe .

                Christians are taught to kill the devil.

    3. brimancandy profile image82
      brimancandyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am not surprised that a religious figure would call himself an analyst, but, I think anal is a lot closer to the truth, as they try to shove religion up people's ass. And, what a better way to do that, than having your own television network, so you can spread the word, and build your empire on the donations of the god fearing masses.

      Televangelism is nothing more than the cable value network for their followers. I challenge the network to do an entire year of broadcasting without accepting, or asking for any donations, or selling their lame products. Do you think they would even consider it? I doubt it.

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      graceomalleyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There's a very interesting documentary caleed "Marjoe" where a man travels around impersonating an evangelist. He will tell the camera he does not beleive in any of this stuff, is doing it purely to show it for what it is, then he goes out on stage, preaches up a storm, lays hands on people, they fall all over the place, and he gathers up a pile of cash.

      The really interesting footage though, is him when the other evangelists accept him as their own, and even 'coach" him in how to get more money out of people, how to invest his money, ect.

      To me it is very sad - the people bilked by this sort of thing were obviously the poor.

      I went to high school with someone who now travels with Benny Hinn, who has actually claimed insanity like "On my next trip, Jesus himself will appear on the stage with me! It will be caught on camera!" One wonders how anyone can be self deceived enough to buy this stuff, but some people have a very high toleration for BS.

  2. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I adore the "speaking in tongues" and the miracle healing performed on stage. These guys are more fun than the shows that send them up.
    It always looks like a comedy skit to me! lol

    1. Castlepaloma profile image25
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, it so funny, I watch one of them on your post.

      The mind of suggestion is really a powerful thing, although you never see a limb grow back. I saw the movie BORAT in which he played a prank on these miracle healers, and I laughed my head off.

      It’s Great to have you around again, I wish they ban the sissy banners for more of a change.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I saw Borat as well. Very funny, but some of the evangelists are even funnier! lol

        1. Castlepaloma profile image25
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Then who is your favorite?

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Benny is right up there with the best of them. smile

            1. Castlepaloma profile image25
              Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'll check hinn out

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              Hugh Williamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              At first glance I thought you wrote "Benny Hill."

              I watched some clips of Benny Hinn on Youtube and I'm convinced that Hinn is even more amusing to watch than Old Benny Hill was.

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                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hugh you are so right, Benny Hinn is funnier than Benny Hill, and in urgently need of a white coat. His act is a breathtaking three stooges like performance! lol

                1. Castlepaloma profile image25
                  Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes televangelist always have fresh new comedy acts on how to terrorized the world

                  earnests your always a hoot

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You too Castlepaloma. lol For the record, I can't watch a whole show either, I am too embarrassed for the human race! lol

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    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Sorry to butt in, but occurred to me that Castle is pretty right on this one. smile

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      just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You disagree? How very odd. smile

      You laugh about it. I cry about it. We both see the problem, we simply react differently. I think though, we both would like to see an end to the insanity; so I didn't see us so far apart on this.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image25
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No matter what angle you are looking at the problem of TV televangelist. Being light hearted or crying about it, I prefer laughing than crying.  Being aware of it vs. ignoring the problem is the first step in not believing pro wrestling or TV televangelist are real

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    dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago

    I just think they're funny. I don't watch them regularly but if one catches my eye I'll watch. Comedy is even funnier when it's unintentional.

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    I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago

    I think the cult-like atmosphere is what's so appealing. I'll admit, I've watched some of them for longer than I should. Some are boring, like that Joel Osteen guy, but he's got that southern charm that I'm sure works on bored housewives. I really liked the guy who touched people and caused them to fall unconscious. It was like human dominoes.

    Some of these people truly are predatory. There's that one guy who's always talking about "a thousand dollar seed", which means he wants viewers to send his church $1,000 and with that "seed" the lord will reward them with riches far beyond their imagination. He advises all viewers to do this, even if they barely have enough money to survive as it is. These televangelists live in mansions, drive exotic cars, and own personal jets and they're somehow convincing some of the poorest members of society to give them more money.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image25
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      agreed

  6. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Just what about televangelists have to do with Obama escapes me.

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      just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I honestly don't know, either. I've never see any of those shows and I don't think I'd have the stomach to try, after reading half the stuff on this thread.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image25
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It always takes some honest courage to confront all problems and uncomfort zones.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Most of them are in the same category he's in.
      Deception via charisma.

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        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry Brenda, some how when I listen to Benny Hinn, he doesn't strike me as being like Obama. smile

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't see why not.
          People are still falling at the feet of 'em both, and offering up their hard-earned money to them as though they were kings or gods.  The domino effect, or something like that!  haha

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            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hinn is a scream! Only in America. He would be laughed out of the country in my secular society! lol I like to think your President is not doing the same thing with money as Hinn is!

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Some of those tv men and women are simply con artists.
              But some of them, I really think, have missed their calling.  Or been diverted by greed from their calling.
              Have you ever heard Benny Hinn preach instead of just perform his circus act?
              He's not bad.  At least the few times I've heard him.
              But most of the tv preachers are simply placing a bid for attention and power.  It's a shame, really.  Because the Word of God needs to be put out there into the realm of Satan, to dissolve his power.   But then, I must not forget that you no longer believe........

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I have seen Hinn preach, but saw holes in his interpretations you could run a train through, but then, as you say, I am no longer a believer, so I may have been a bit biased. smile

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  In another thread you mentioned something...
                  What was it about the dead sea scrolls that made you no longer believe?
                  Or was it simply the false witness of the ministers you were with?
                  Have you let man's fallacies persuade you away from the Spirit of Truth?

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    It was such a long time ago Brenda, I fear I have lost the connection with the point at which my belief in religion was extinguished by my learning, but I do recall being thrilled to have Wilson explain the translations as he understood them, (I believe he understood rather well) having been entrusted to speak on the finer points of the scrolls for many years.
                    No as I recall it, I was then enthralled by the famous man and his incredible breadth of talents, and that he had been given responsibility to show them to our foundation group. I would have been about 6 months of learning away from dropping religion at that point. smile

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    earnestshubposted 6 years ago
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      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Holy crap Benny

      Hypnosis is a mental state of imaginative role-enactment (non-state theory") It is usually induced by a procedure known as a hypnotic induction, which is commonly composed of a long series of preliminary instructions and suggestions.

      I saw a live show where a hypnotist said sleep, to a participant on stage.
      This guy falls flat on his face; the hypnotist bent down, put his hand on this guy shoulder and said - when you wake up, the word sue is not in your vocabulary

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    BunuBobuposted 6 years ago

    I have never really watched these wackjobs because I always fall asleep when Benny speaks.

    Hypnotic Induction???

    Hopefully I never donated money while "sleeping".

    1. Castlepaloma profile image25
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Most of their eyes look glazed over and crazed.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I heard Benny had to sell his private jet to save money.  People aren't donating as much as they used to.  Also some scandal with a mistress

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        BunuBobuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes it seems God isn't too strict with the sexual immorality laws anymore.
        I guess that's a license to party!!

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          seems several of these 'showmen' get caught with their pants down

          1. Castlepaloma profile image25
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Like with children, gays and whores.

 
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