jump to last post 1-42 of 42 discussions (449 posts)

What use is prayer in natural disasters?

  1. 0
    Baileybearposted 5 years ago

    I've seen comments by people saying to pray when there are natural disasters.  Some also doing their 'end-time' rant. 

    What use is prayer?  How does it help any?

    1. simeonvisser profile image87
      simeonvisserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It doesn't. The idea that you can change what God is going to do through prayer is ludicrous.

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You died and came back?

        smile

    2. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      My Opinion on prayer in the case of natural disasters and things of that sort...It is used as the lazy mans way "helping" without rendering any real assistance to those who are victims of said disasters. There is food to be given, homes to be re-built, lives to comfort and various other things that can actually render assistance to those in need during times of crisis. But, lets be "good Christians" and pray that "god" helps those in crisis and not actually got off our butts or come up off our wallets to render some real assistance for our fellow man...

      Sorry...Had to vent some....

      1. 0
        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        well prayers or no prayers, people are helping out in practical ways

    3. Cagsil profile image82
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Goes to show you the level of ignorance in the world today.
      It's comforting to the individual who claims to pray, so they themselves can feel better about themselves and meaningless to everyone else.
      Again, only the person who prays.

    4. fadedsnow profile image60
      fadedsnowposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The idea of prayer is logically contradicting.  It requires God to be perfect and imperfect, it makes a travesty of the notion of scientific tests of causality, and it belittles the Omnipotent Infinite God, if such exists, and ignores the possibility of lesser supernatural powers or malevolent energies interfering with nature in untold ways.

    5. Mikeydoes profile image79
      Mikeydoesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I say if it helps you cope with the situation, go ahead and do it. It certainly does help in that regard.

    6. zenpoker profile image59
      zenpokerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Prayers? really? Those poor people need food shelter and medicine not prayers, i'm also very sure they would told you the same thing! smile

      1. 0
        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        that's what I thought too - food, water, shelter, warmth, medical assistance.  I don't see what use prayers are.  The pets need help too.

        http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/worl … nd-rubble/

      2. Joy56 profile image60
        Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        of course they need all those things, but even the ones amongst them that have a faith will still be praying......  They know god has a long term purpose, and unfortunately they know some have to suffer............

        At least the people in Japan know they have problems, we all have problems, not as severe, but we dont even know we do...... we are all under the influence of higher powers for good or bad....... 

        It at least puts our problems into some kind of prospective..... Being without a job, kind of fails into the background at the moment.  i and i imagine lots like me and you, would love to solve the problems for all those in Japan....... But really what can we do....... If we give money it may not get to them..... If we pray to their god, it will be a comfort for the ones that do believe, whether or not we do or not......... 

        Earnest Hub...... I love the way your mind works.... or does it even work????

        1. earnestshub profile image86
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What I said makes perfect sense. If one can change the outcome for some but not others with belief, what does that say about those who died and the horror suffered by those left behind? Their own fault was it?

          1. Joy56 profile image60
            Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            the sun shines on the righteous and the wicked, i know you know that Earnest , god is not partial, only humans  are.

            1. earnestshub profile image86
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Which would leave us in the current example with god as a psychopath. It is not about man or god being partial, it is about outrageous claims made by religionists about natural disasters when they can't see their own psychological positioning. smile

              1. Joy56 profile image60
                Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                o.k. then you be god, we will bow to your wisdom

                1. earnestshub profile image86
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That has never been a goal. I don't wish people to bow to my wisdom, nor will I bow to religion. No, my greatest wish is that we all grow as much as we can every day. smile

                  1. Joy56 profile image60
                    Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    wuld you like us all to unite in one thought, or is that not necessary////

                2. 0
                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It shouldn't be necessary to bow to anybody - supernatural or otherwise

                  1. Joy56 profile image60
                    Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    agreed, but i am just figuratively bowing to Earnesthub's wisdom all things religious,

    7. Onusonus profile image84
      Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      People who pray to God in times of disaster will be blessed by God in this life and the next.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Amen! smile

      2. 0
        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        how do disaster & blessed go together?

        1. 0
          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          there's an attitude amongst some that bad things happen to those that aren't 'close' to god.  When I was a christian, and had bad things happen in my life, I got the blame from other christians.

          When I withdrew, I got more blame & was told all the bad things in my life were because I 'turned my back on god'

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Seems like you leaned alot on the opinions of others,and not on Gods.


            No way do I defend people anywhere who make silly judgemental comments ,but no-one is perfect,including myself.

            1. 0
              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              If I'm supposed to get god's opinion from bible, then god's opinion is conflicting.

      3. pisean282311 profile image56
        pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol irony is that people who face disaster most of them have been highly religious and prayed regularly...prayer and disaster are unrelated...yes it is good way of  "feeling good" ...so in that way it works...

    8. 69
      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Natural disasters are a respite for the human beings from the Creator-God to return to the path of purpose of life created by Him; which man has forgotten to pursue in the course of the man's routine material life.

      So prayer helps man to ask forgiveness from the Creator-God; and man pledges again to tread on the peaceful and truthful path set for man by the Creator-God; it is a warning and a respite:

      And if Allah were to punish men for their wrongdoing. He would not leave therein a living creature, but He gives them respite till an appointed term, and when their term is come, they cannot remain behind a single hour, nor can they go ahead of it. (16:62)

      To undestand its philosophy one many like to access:

      http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000018.html

      1. 69
        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
    9. prettydarkhorse profile image61
      prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      When you are helpless and you are the ones affected by a natural disaster, it helps to calm and soothe you - psychological, but of course don't just count on prayers you need to do something about it.
      For others who are praying for the ones affected - it is their way of showing they care and they are thinking of you. You can give some donations if you like too, but prayers can help. Even just thinking of your friends when there is a natural disaster, means a lot to some.

    10. 61
      ForYourInfoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think natural disaster destroys peace of mind.
      Prayers restore it.

  2. khmohsin profile image61
    khmohsinposted 5 years ago

    Basically Prayer is the mind as well as  soul dedication  towards God.But there are some situations in which we are unable to do something while we have all resources,at that time only prayer.So in natural disasters like Earthquake in Japan ,they had all resources and every kind of technology,but at that time they were nothing.So at my end I only can pray for them nothing more.My help and donation is only prayers for them.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I do not know how your type of gods prayer would be received by the (more so) non religious Japanese, to them it could be considerd very cheap donation rather than real money

      1. khmohsin profile image61
        khmohsinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Everyone on this earth has its religious,when has religious then has God as well.

        1. Cagsil profile image82
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Not everyone on Earth is religious. hmm

    2. 0
      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      but prayers without food, water etc amount to nothing, do they not?

  3. Pandoras Box profile image82
    Pandoras Boxposted 5 years ago

    I think it just gives people with nothing better to say an opportunity to comment on their own great generosity. Some people actually lap that shit up.

  4. NateSean profile image85
    NateSeanposted 5 years ago

    Yeah and some people find prayer comforting. Praying is a simple way of showing that you have someone in your thoughts and that you're not a completely selfish bastard.

    Yeah, I suppose telling other people that you're praying may be a bit solicitous but what are you going to do?

    1. 0
      just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Very well said.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I agree.

        Prayer is communication between the person and God.

        I dont know about anyone else ,but I dont really like other people telling me who and why I shouldnt talk(pray) to whoever I want.


        Is kinda like me coming into a forum and saying ,what good is it for that person to be speaking this n that..hmmm

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I would not tell anyone not to pray or do whoever they think or want to help, it's just not as strong as action,.

        2. 0
          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          sound defensive..touched a nerve by asking this question?

          I'm not telling people not to pray.  I'm just wondering how they think it helps

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Believing in God is believing in a Father who loves us. Our Bible says He made us in His image, and that we are the children of God. (if we follow Him)

            Those who believe God is a powerful loving Father know that He will help in a situation and that He can affect the future's outcomes.

            Those who don't believe in God, I agree. I wonder how they think it will help.

            smile

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  Exodus 21:15 NAB

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I punch my father once when I was age 16 because he was an alcoholic.

                I going to jump off a cliff now, Byyyyyyyyyyyeeeee

              2. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Nice quote. Unfortunately you need the entire Bible to understand and translate all the reasons.

                Very well done. You made God look bad to people.

                smile

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Then, by all means, use the entire bible to explain that quote other than what it states. Can you? smile

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Put simply, the God of creation says, They are to respect their father and mother - if they don't respect them and rebel as a heathen send them to me.

                    Don't forget that if God is there then death is a transformation. God is not evil for telling people to send the disobedient ones to Him for a talk.

                    I could understand how you don't understand. You don't even believe He is real, and therefore death is the end of the line.

                    We created cars, and if it turns on it's own when you hold the wheel straight... You get it fixed. God's the mechanic for people.  smile

                    Never heard "Send them to their maker.." ?

                    That's not even a lesson on the Bible, just common sense.

                    Probably meant, "Send them to me, before they get worse."

                    No matter, no more time to waste on you. Enjoy your reply.

                    smile

    2. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      NateSean

      Actions speak louder than prayer, prayer may be a comfort to you, it has a 50/50 chance it may reach somewhere else, so go ahead say a prayer , there is no harm.

      I prefer to comfort my Japanese friends here in Vancouver in person and do what I can for their country. I have been in Japan a few time and they are one of the beautiful people ever.

      If I hear a person like Pat Robertson who cursed Haiti's earthquake for making a pact with the devil and relating to the french too. If Pat tries to condemn low religious Japan with those kinds of prayers. He will get my mail about brainwashing tactics.

      1. NateSean profile image85
        NateSeanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        And does it occur to you that some else's prayer has lead you to acting on behalf of your Japanese friends?

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That would be incredible selfish on their part as prayer does little more than make people feel better about themselves as it does absolutely nothing for anyone else.

          So, if it takes someone else praying for one to do something, then that too is just an action to feel better about themselves, especially if they aren't doing it for the plight of those in Japan. smile

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Picking the ones away from the herd again?

            smile

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You mean, am I showing just how immoral and unethical your good book really is and how dangerous it is to mankind? smile

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Forget the book, prove God doesn't exist. I can't see Him isn't proof.

                smile

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Forget the word of your god? No need to bring him into this discussion? You'll tell us all what we need to know? lol

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You get side tracked so easily. I said prove God doesn't exist. It's ok if you don't have any proof. Please just be clear.

                    smile

          2. NateSean profile image85
            NateSeanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Ah Beelzedad, I was wondering when you would rear your head in this discussion.

            You ever notice how you just can't win with some people? If you pray, you're lazy. If you don't pray, you're just as selfish. There's no pleasing everyone and yet, you know what?

            Who the hell cares if you agree with it or not?

            The fact that you're posting online shows me that you are not at all effected by either the Earthquake in Japan, or any of the other myriad dangers that are a result of what is going on over there. You're safe in your home and/or place of Internet access, gleefully looking down on people you will likely never meet in real life.

            The fact of the matter is, people are dying. People are dying and there is not a hell of a lot the majority of us can do about it.

            So rather than spend my time condemning people who are desperate to help but are limited by whatever means hold them back, I am praising the fact that their thoughts and prayers are with those less fortunate.

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, I understand that believers don't care what anyone thinks, that's exactly the problem.



              I have family in Chiba, thank you very much. We talk to them everyday and currently they can't buy food or gas and have constant rolling blackouts.

              You were saying?

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I'll pray for them..

                smile

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Thanks for nothing and thanks for doing nothing. smile

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You mean for me being poor. I appreciate your sentiments. How very kind of you.

                    smile

              2. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Glad they have you beelzedad.
                hope they can recover, the place is in bad shape. All my best wishes. smile

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Thanks Earny! We are trying to do everything we can for them. Their biggest problem thus far was an oil refinery nearby that wouldn't stop burning.

              3. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Beezledad I think you make random eratic statemnents intended to provoke or agitate and you have the nerve to acuse Christians of being violent?

                Pot calling the kettle black isnt it lol

                Cant speak for anyone else (like you are doing) but I have never killed my children ,and I dont force anyone to believe in what I believe in ,not do I teach my kids to disrespect atheists or anyone who chose to believe in whomever.

                It probably isnt going to happen ,but it would be mature if you recognise the facts. smile

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  In other words, you don't follow the word of your god, you do as you please and then tell us that we are to follow the word of your god in order to be saved. The hypocrisy never ends. smile

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    No, I dont tell you what to do. ( Well maybe I hope you listen to m e)

                    No again to disobeying God for he expects me to care for my children whom he has gifted smile

      2. 0
        just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I've gotten so irritated with Pat Robertson's advertised statements twice that I googled his website and sent him scathing comments. It worked once. He must have received so much hate mail he withdrew his statement and apologized.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Good idea, tell him it's not Christ like and wars too.

    3. 0
      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      but someone can have empathy & compassion & think of others without prayer

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        God helps the ones that help themsevles , God's prayer line is a little too swamped right now, so help yourself and other phyically first and happy things will come back  faster

    4. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol Good answer

  5. Joy56 profile image60
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    It may help some keep calm, apparantly there are no atheists on a battle field.

    1. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That's a myth, of course.

    2. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      A myth. smile

  6. aguasilver profile image86
    aguasilverposted 5 years ago

    Guess you will never find out.

    1. 0
      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Guess not.   Prayer was totally useless all the years I used to pray.

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        More than a billion prayers a day if spread over 2,000 years, how about the odds of not one single documented piece of proof for a single prayer being answered?

        1. aguasilver profile image86
          aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ahhh..... Earnest, there you go again with inserting the word 'documented', matters not a jot that millions of believers will testify that prayer works, and can quote examples, you cannot accept it as it's not 'documented'.....

          BB never had a prayer answered!

          I cannot dispute that of course, no documented evidence, irrespective of the fact that she may not have realized that her prayers were being answered, or that maybe she never knew to pray in accordance with Gods will, like I said, I have no way of knowing, not without 'documented evidence' and of course that documented evidence is so very hard to find when one is dealing in the spiritual realm....

          Maybe God saved some Japanese survivors that we never managed to get documented, perhaps there are people out there who were due to visit that area and got diverted at the last moment, they may have even been atheists, but had believers praying for them, so God intervened, but they will never know, and it will never be 'documented' and until God can be exposed in black and white, pinned to a board and able to be examined and ' 'documented' our secular friends will keep plodding away to discredit that which they cannot accept, because it's not 'documented'.

          Good concept, keep plodding away, further and further from God that is....

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I really do hope it is further away, a bad person like me would be in sooo much trouble in close with your god. smile
            You seem to miss that in signaling any intervention of your god, you are condemning all those who died. smile

            1. 0
              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hey ernest. I don't think it would be a bad thing for you to be close in to God. I would imagine a God would appreciate fair questions, and be happy to explain them. I'd be asking hard questions too, if I believed weather patterns and natural disasters were being used against us. It would be a strange kind of deity.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes it would be a strange deity. A murderous callous one like in the OT.

                1. 0
                  just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Ok. You are right, but I believe that was meant to showcase man's inherent nature only. Either way, whether we agree  or disagree on the texts from our past, the reality of the here and now is what we must deal with. This belief that somehow the leprechaun next door is out to get us needs to die a quick and, hopefully, merciful death.

            2. aguasilver profile image86
              aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I can agree with your first comment, except scripture tells us:

              Job 34:21-23 (Amplified Bible)

              For [God's] eyes are upon the ways of a man, and He sees all his steps. There is no darkness nor thick gloom where the evildoers may hide themselves. [God] sets before man no appointed time, that he should appear before [Him] in judgment.

              As to your second point, no way, I am not condemning anyone, like it says above "God sets before man no appointed time, that he should appear before Him in judgment." so we each make our own pathway to eternity, no point in blaming me or anyone else for other peoples deaths.

              I would guess that there may have been believers killed that day also, and from the video I have seen it would have been a fast but horrific death.

              The big difference would be that the believers were better able to stand before God in judgement when they met Him.

              Of course if my faith, belief and trust is in error, then I guess they all just got obliterated and that was that and it's on THAT point that we stake our eternal existence.

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Amen..

            3. 0
              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              re condemning those who died - yep, that's what is is implying.  Is illogical and actually cruel.  Same with the plonkers that say bad things are punishment from god.

              So god might decide to act on a few prayers & spare a few - but not totally - they will likely have nightmares from the awful things they saw.   
              Lots of people are saying they are praying for no more earthquakes, no more tsunamis etc.  People aren't going to come back to life. Earthquakes & tsunamis have been happening longer than humans have walked earth, so they're not going to stop because of any devine intervention.

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                First God doesn't exist..

                Then if He does then your judgement is better than His?

                And then back to non-existent.

                I think the inconsistency is proven.

                God knows better, we can see that for sure.

                smile

            4. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The Bible is Earnest's "documented" answers to prayers, but He's concluded that document an exception from the pile. lol

              smile

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I should just stand aside and let you speak for me. smile

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  No No.. Please affirm or deny whether the hundreds of accounts of answered prayers in the Bible are accountable in your view.

                  smile

                2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  lol  no pick pick me lol

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    lol

          2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            aqua, I absolutely agree with your replies. Some believe prayers are useless? Many are living today because of the prayers of believers.

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And, many more are dead today. Notice that praying has the same effect as not praying. smile

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Nice twist Beelzedad, My statement was not applying to those who are dead. hmm Have a happy day. smile

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Of course, I know, but it should hav applied if you wanted to make your statement valid. smile

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Here ya go, now you can pick on me. Not to mention it's good to know you have power to know who has enough faith to make a difference with prayer.

                    Wait... You do understand faith right? Oh yeah, my fault... Atheist.

                    smile

        2. Joy56 profile image60
          Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I thought you were a good person.... you are not well are you

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm very well thank you. smile
            I cannot understand how one can give a god "credit" for burying babies alive in a natural disaster. What is that saying about the dead? That they were sinners and god wanted them wiped out? Even the unborn and newly born? Or is it OK cos they were gonna grow up to be atheists?

            1. Joy56 profile image60
              Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              you have a huge chip on your shoulder........ God is not the god of this system, Satan is........ God's time will come, i hope i live to see it, but if i dont i am confident god has a plan, and whatever we say or do, it will happen......... 

              How are your grandchildren, your gifts from God.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                As usual you do not make a logical argument. Either god did the hurricanes or he didn't. Please make up your mind. Are you now saying Satan did it?

                1. 0
                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  and apparently god made satan and evil too as god made everything and fails to act.  Good people get destroyed along with the bad - no special favours from god.  People just hold out believing that maybe they will get to live in a fantasy-land free of pain.

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Sure, now it's back to blaming the evil on God.

                    I thought humans created their own problems?

                    More inconsistencies.

                    One viewpoint would prove useful.

                    smile

              2. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No Joy, it is you who carries the chip. smile

                1. Joy56 profile image60
                  Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  it was a natural disaster.......

                    Satan is god of the system at the moment, because god is allowing him to be.  That is why god is not stepping in right now........

                    I have no chip on my shoulder at all........ but your work always shows you do, it really does,   in the forum at least....... get it analysed, by a professional, what would i know, i am nobody. Without a chip. ha ha

                  1. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Very insulting and not funny. Why not address the argument instead of side stepping with smarmy remarks?

                  2. 0
                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    your god is helpless or doesn't care if he/she/it allows satan (another mythical being) to rule the roost.  Interestingly, every culture has creation stories, flood stories, a saviour, a devil (usually one that lives in dark waterways and eats people) eg Taniwha, Buniup

                  3. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Joy, Yes Satan is the ruler of this earth. God has a plan, and he will step in right on time, not before, but right on time. No offence, seems like some are confused about why God is allowing these things to happen.

              3. 0
                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                and are the children born with a brain missing 'gifts' too?

                1. Joy56 profile image60
                  Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I really do not know are thy???????

                  1. 0
                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't believe anything is a gift from god.  Take rainbows - not a promise from god, but an optical effect resulting from raindrops reflecting & refracting light.  Can't make your own rainbows with the garden hose.

            2. 0
              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I read a hub yesterday called 'Praying for Japan'.  It was about the earthquakes are a sign of the 'end-times' and they are praying people will 'get saved' by god before it is too late.

              Superstitious nonsense

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Or maybe they just have a heart and faith in a God you personally don't believe in. They don't call you ridiculous for not believing. And no one has proof that God exists, or doesn't exist.

                Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to judge? As so many tell Christians not to do.

                smile

                1. 0
                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  have a heart....that comes up so much, but no-one seems to be able to define this 'heart' you christians harp on about

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Seems to me that you are hard to please ,no let me correct that ,impossible.

                    Why would anyone try?.

                    You appear to ask questions,that your mind already has made up.

  7. TLMinut profile image61
    TLMinutposted 5 years ago

    Prayer is to get the pray-er up and active doing what God would have them do - which is to help.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I see lot nonfiction films where war troops almost always do a prayer in the name of God before going into battle.

      I have better Idea, don't pray,  don't go into hell of a battle and spread radiation. Don't blame Satan in the end, avoid all that.

      The prayer for Japan will not help as much as money or kindness, nothing selfish about that.

      1. 0
        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        speaking of battle, I recall much reference to 'spiritual warfare' & 'being in god's army', etc - a bit disturbing really

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          People are often disturbed by things they dont understand.

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol

            Oh dear...

            smile

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Eaglekiwi

              How do you understand wars between predominate religious countries or nation for over and over for 50 centuries, how did prayers help.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                forgot ?

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You said religious... Not Christ's true followers..

                  smile

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Out of those Religions, Christianity is the champion at killing

              2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I know they helped (prayers) because I trust in a God who loves me and is not a man so therefore doesnt lie.


                Or do you see the glass as half full or half empty.

                I see it full ,every day to overflowing.

                People die through ,war ,vicious crimes, accidents,natural causes-such is life ,as we know it.

                How do we know prayer has no effect? because we dont see an instant answer? or because it wasnt what we expected? or we simply didnt believe anything was going to happen.
                Jesus explained it all.
                But the people who love Jesus already know the 'power of prayer' and the other people who are suspicious ,wont be convinced anyway.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I will give Christians the same chance in prayer as I would give all Religions a 50/50 chance. We must keep everyone equal in God’s eyes

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Just remember the countless numbers of things unseen prior to our intelligent technological advances.

                    And once you shut your mind to something, you'll never see it true until it slaps you in the face.

                    I know your stance is firm, but again not just for you. wink

                    There are actual evidences that people muster away with explanations. But when you start to accept a few things, the proof comes out the woodwork. God reveals to those who diligently seek with finding Him in mind. Don't ask me why or how, but I've seen it over, and over, and over again. Before I finally believed myself, and after.

                    Notice as well how the more intelligent we become, the smaller and more powerful the things we create are. Then look at your body and see if it isn't more complex than the most highly advanced piece of machinery on the planet. It even self-repairs. I want a car to do that. It's not about fear, and Hell, and God being bossy. It's about something outside of our knowledge that happened where we changed from what we should be, everyone equal to each other in love. . . to disobedient, selfish, and so on into a domino of what we are today. The domino effect is not just a fun setup with blocks. It describes how operating systems with malfunctions in the information of their designs come to failure. On Windows operating systems, you get a single error. This leads to two or so. Then the two errors become a missing system file. Which in turn leads to a failing program, that aids four other programs. And in turn crashes the system over a span of roughly four weeks. And to no avail, Re-install required. Why? One little flaw.

                    God is good and gives, and I'll admit He sounds like an over publicised joke because of the light people shed on Him. But the Bible has insights only available to those who really spend time to find them. Not searching to prove it wrong. Adam and Eve could do whatever they wanted subtract one thing, no matter the metaphor, they were happy. But disobedience rendered them flawed, and then the domino effect of a single flaw in a system. Look at today's world. Just like Windows... One error, mass failure.

                    And why is it so hard to believe when the human body itself starts out as two cells? Just the same humanity started out with two people. Moses certainly didn't know anything about cells or the human body beginning in that fashion, and yet we are called the body of Christ, which started way back then, not after Christ came. The Bible talked of Christ before you ever get out of Genesis.

                    The truth is the world is full of lies. Lying is not a natural thing, as we should have no need to lie if we are loving. But God is nothing but truth. But we can't believe the truth because we've learned that people lie, and that we must decide when things are unreasonable that someone is lying. In the case of the Bible, hundreds of people. But they aren't lying. Not a single one. It is a historical account of the chess game that God has set in action to blind side Satan and every other pawn on the board in order to save those of His body in service to Him, so He may again give them the goodness He wishes to give.

                    Course I'm sure someone will 'logic' or 'reason' it to death. They will simply prove the point.

                    Love you all...

                    ~Daniel

                  2. pisean282311 profile image56
                    pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    @Castlepaloma you got it right...it is not whether one prays to sun or jesus or sai...it is function of faith and how convinced your brain is that it can act based on that convictions...so you are right ...

          2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Eaglekiwi, Very true, and some mock things they don't understand also.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Better to mock than to go to war, ignore or hate other groups.

              If you give me a decent mock or insult, I am learning more about myself and I say thank you. The fearless types know it's all a matter of understanding

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Mockery is disrespect, and I am guilty of it myself on this post, just now noticing my error.  I should not have mocked any of you.

                And I apologise.

                But mockery only adds fuel to the tiny flames of disagreement, and is wrong.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I only challenge disagreements with humor it is not disrespectful. Disrespect is not my part of my source of good intention.

                  Vector bone up and have some fun, you’re not going to mock an atheist ever, hah ha ha

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    lol

                    I was addressing the lot of them actually. In my apology and otherwise.

                    I was simply replying to mockery being better than war, which it is. But the lesser of two evils leads to the war. Just as the battle may be lost and the war is won. Many battles are in essence personal wars. I just find it very 'loaded' ground as your never sure when a betty will go off from the slightest wrong step.

                    I certainly was not 'coaching' you by any means. There are plenty others of which would deserve that much more so than you. Not only that, but my statements are only available to those who will accept them. Unlike those who demand things, I for one 'actually' follow God's rules of love, and for two am very well aware that demanding words are like attempting to shove the horses face in the water, in which case he simply runs off with your saddle...

                    smile

          3. 0
            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm sure I understand what christians mean by 'spiritual warfare' etc.  I still find it disturbing that they go for the war metaphors, given war is so horrible

    2. 0
      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      could prayer be an excuse NOT to help - ie make the person praying feel they are genuinely doing something useful?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No harm in prayer, yet dose that really mean to a nation mainly of non religious Japanese,

        Payer to them is like a cheap donation rather than real money, action or have some kind of phyical contact with them, this is for most of them anyways

      2. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Doing something helpful and praying are the things Christians are told to do. Unsure about anyone else. But to just pray and say "I've done my part" is ridiculous and lazy on any Christians part. Unless they physically can't help in some way, or maybe financially or whatever the case may be, praying should be with, not the only thing they do.

        smile

  8. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    I would have thought that by now, after all the carnage caused by natural disasters, and the horror that follows, the idea that prayer helps would have died of natural causes! smile

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Very kind atheist you are to be so open as to allow others to their opinion without trashing it. That is not very nice Earnest.

      smile

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        When did earnest convert to Atheists , why are we not as old as 969 years old like one man is in the bible. I guess we are all not good enough at praying, so who trashing who?

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'm very unsure at what your trying to imply. I simply said I think it unkind to sarcastically remark about something important to another group of people. And I'm unsure, but He doesn't believe in my God, and the sarcasm is still noted. What is it that I said wrong exactly?

          smile

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            A lot things are middle grounds ask earnest where he is at.  Few things need to be so extremely right or wrong, like if one is atheist and you’re with your God the one and only.

            Knowing a few things about Japan culture and is mainly non Religious will their dead go the heaven or Hell. You will find  Buddhish and nature has their own form of recycling death afterlife

            Please give a thought or prayer of good intention it can be helpful, just not in so much in an imposed salvational way.

  9. Woman Of Courage profile image61
    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago

    Praying that God will give the survivors in Japan the mental strength to endure will make a difference. I am sure there are people in Japan that will appreciate the prayers to help them cope with the devastating ordeal which they are facing right now. I have giving my donations to help Japan. We have to realize everyone does not have money at this time to donate. That's why many are praying to God to give these people the strength to make it through each day.

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Apparently you are correct. The Japanese Emperor has just said he will pray for Japan. smile

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi earnest, really?  That's very good. I  have been watching CNN regularly to keep posted on what's going on. smile

        1. earnestshub profile image86
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          As you may have guessed, I listen to the ABC here in Australia. smile
          .... and the BBC out of London which includes specialist Asian and European stations.

          1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That's good.

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol

              I love you WOC... Your truly a gift from God.

              smile

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you. I love you too. smile I give God the glory for he truly deserve it. I have witnessed the power of prayer in my life and in the lives of others.

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  We've witnessed the power of prayer recently, just like we witnessed it on Boxing Day, 2004. Notice that hundreds of thousands of people died and no amount of prayer made any difference? smile

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Now how about those wireless phones? Can't see the other person so it's got to be a prank right? Invisible stuff doesn't exist. Everyone knows that.

                    smile

    2. 0
      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      people will be resilient & survive - otherwise, the human race would have been wiped out long ago.  I think you are deluded in your belief that prayers actually help people be stronger.  Might fool the person doing the praying into thinking they are doing something special.

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I have to agree to disagree. Praying is special. I find it hard to believe that God didn't answer any of your prayers. It's best to pray God's will is done. Believe it or not, God answers prayers. We may not always recieve the answer which we are expecting. God is a higher spiritual authority, and his ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts. The sooner you accept the ways that God intervene, it will reduce the confusion. I am not trying to upset you. I love you Bailey.

        1. 0
          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I find it creepy that someone that has never met me says they love me.

          Why pray for god's will when god does what he wants anyway?

          1. pisean282311 profile image56
            pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            well being ex christian you might be used to this...

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              God's will changes at times when those He loves ask for mercy. Though the natural order of things set in place by time may bring about harsh things, or when a person does something bad to someone such as kidnapping. The family praying for their daughter to come home safely may be granted God's mercy to change a circumstance and make an exception for those who try to serve Him and beg Him for mercy. It is His will that changes by means of love for those who pray to Him. Of course He's not going to sacrifice His master plan of salvation or something of that nature, but the above situation is a good representation of why and how prayers work. Unless you refuse to believe.

              And I love you baileybear.. I love every person on the planet.

              smile

              1. 0
                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                cringe.. sorry but I find your sentiments hollow.

                And how do you explain things when the person that prayed ends up with their daughter raped & murdered?

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm guessing you want me to be God?

                  And I don't understand how my sentiments are hollow. How could you possibly know how I felt about humanity? I did not state I want to marry you. I stated I love you as an intelligent person with ideas, thoughts, family, feelings and much more I'm sure. Cringe away, I'm sorry that love is disgusting to you, but it won't change anything.

                  Let me guess by the way... God is responsible for that because why? Because He sits in the seat of ultimate authority? I'm certain He will answer you when you see Him, and your not the only one with those questions. That is also not the only bad thing that happens in this world. You say God should bring justice all the time, yet Hell is not to exist? Is the murderer in your scenario to go to Heaven? God gives every man his time on earth to do good or evil. When that person dies, then judgement on whether they looked to find God (Jesus Christ) to fix the disobedient way they were given through the genes of Adam, and whether they 'actually' attempted to do good. We are to try to be as loving as we can and to do good to others. I'm guessing there is a problem with a repeat rapist and murderer going to Hell?

                  I don't see how anyone can miss the point. Christ Jesus was the 'fix' for all of mankind including Adam and Eve. Anyone who will accept we are imperfect and tell God we need Him, and will attempt to do what is good is accepted by God. 

                  The murderer certainly didn't care whether he was evil, or whether that evil hurt anyone at all. Many times they perpetrate the same acts multiples of times over and over in their lives with NO concern for others bringing utter horror to people who try to love and be good. So God sees NO remorse and no concern for others. No love. Is He to allow that man into Heaven to continue his wonderful attacks? If someone "NEVER" changes and will ALWAYS be cruel and mean and hateful and ALWAYS hurts others, then I don't think it wrong to punish them at all. Heaven is for those who love the God who controls it and those who know we need Him. We are to love and to do good to everyone to the best of our ability. And when we get mad at each other, we are not being loving, and God doesn't like it. Therefore we will need God's grace to 'fix' us before we are to step foot in Heaven, which the murderer will never enter...

                  smile

                  1. 0
                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    love is not disgusting to me.
                    We are total strangers - to say you love me is totally weird

          2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hi Bailey, I love everyone. It doesn't matter to me if I have not met someone personally.

            1. 0
              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lets be practical here - how can you LOVE over 6 BILLION strangers you have never met?  Including the murderers, rapists etc? 

              I love my husband and my son.  I do not have the capacity to love 6 BILLION people that I do not know.

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yet sometimes I hear you having the capacity to judge and denergrade Christians ,that you do not know either?

                I accept that you have your own opinions and experiences to share,but I wish you wouldntlet it cloud the experiences of others.

                1. 0
                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm no longer a christian, apparently I'm an "evil" atheist, so I have no moral obligation to not judge

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I wasnt big on judging people before I met Jesus.

                    I am even less so now.
                    Just secure in who I am and who I belong too ,and where Im headed smile

                2. 0
                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  have I attacked you or other christians here personally?  I have asked valid questions here and shared my observations and debated ideas. 

                  So far on this thread, I have been personally accused of being hateful, judgmental, disgusted by love & more.

                  Seems like some people cannot stay objective when debating ideas and resort to personal attacks.

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I never mentioned the word 'attack'
                    Im not that thin-skinned.

                    No I said what I meant.

  10. Shadesbreath profile image88
    Shadesbreathposted 5 years ago

    Prayer takes the edge off of helplessness. For some.

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That would seem to be a fair comment. smile

      1. Joy56 profile image60
        Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        you have redeemed yourself...

  11. R L M profile image61
    R L Mposted 5 years ago

    natural disaster speaks for itself - nothing and nobody can change it but people can learn from it analysing it and make conclusions;
    if New Orleans is flooded every year isn't it clear that nature takes possession of the space and no prays an help those people to avoid it - nature simply shows them to go away to another place to live.
    Nature is the one who knows best and makes harmony beyond our understanding what and how everything should be;

    so when natural disasters are happened there is a reason for it: either it was the wrong place to live on from the very beginning or that was just a matter of when not a matter of if disaster happened.
    people at some point know disaster is coming but they ignore it willingly or unwillingly.

  12. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 5 years ago

    This made me laugh lol On one side they claim god being highly powerful, ugabuga controls everything including time and on second side, gods time will come ? tsk tsk.

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Misunderstanding is a human thing.

      smile

  13. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    I would like to see just one conversation on religion where one of my points is argued instead of a goddunnit. I argue about religion with a good knowledge of the subject, where is the counter point?
    I can never get a believer to discuss brain chemistry and how it effects belief, mind sciences and what we know about religiosity in relation to the mind, discussions by religionists about Lawrence Krauss and other religious detractors opinions and why they are wrong, a religionist who has read "the hedonistic imperative, or anything else about the human condition and how it relates to the discussion, the subconscious and how it fits in to belief, or anything other than "the good book." It makes me feel they just don't read anything that disagrees with them. I will discuss the bible and quote it, why nothing from the other side. (Apart from a discourse with one religious hubber. just curious, no one else seems able to broaden the discussion to include any other information. I'm just about over it. sad Closed minds?

    1. Joy56 profile image60
      Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      oh good does that mean you are going to give us a bit of peace.

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Not winning Joy?

        1. Joy56 profile image60
          Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          are you allowed to swear on the forums we will give it a try


                               piss off

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I think you are pretty safe Joy I won't report it. smile

            1. Joy56 profile image60
              Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I so love you

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                ... and I thought only my parrot loved me! smile

                1. Joy56 profile image60
                  Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  what colour is the parrot..... colour colour colour

                  1. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Eric is a green person/parrot. He is smaller than a cockatoo and a very noisy bad little bird! smile When he is very bad he bites and screeches as loud as a fire truck. I hate him! Not really, but he is a little turd! He bashes cats, dogs and people.

    2. 0
      just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hey ernest. Don't  get mad and leave already. You are very intetesting. smile

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hey curious, I hope the last word in your post wasn't a Freudian slip! lol

        1. 0
          just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol So sorry. I swype and come up with the oddest words some times. I think you are definitely interesting. You have good thoughts.

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you, you are too kind. All three of my little grandchildren buy and sell me daily! lol lol

            1. Joy56 profile image60
              Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I am waiting to hear that one of them has grown up and become a morman or j.w. or someting, and actually had you wondering.........  how could you not follow one of them into their world..... ha ha ah

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I dunno Joy, the eldest twin girl has already asked me who made the big bang. She saw it on TV apparently.
                I have allowed all my kids to learn about anything they like including religion. No takers yet. My Chinese son (adopted) was born in PRC and bought up without a god, He was a chorister in one of our largest churches for 6 years! Guess who drove him and went to all his choir practice with him. smile

                1. 0
                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm encouraging my son to be more open-minded.  He didn't want to do religious ed at school, but I said it would be good for him to see what some people believe

            2. 0
              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I empathize. Kids walk all over me too, but they're only kids once and they let me pretend to be a kid too, so it's worth it.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I secretly love to give them lots of freedom of expression, I get to hear so much kid stuff, and it is truly a beautiful thing. Children reduce me to tears of joy at times. Must be gettin old and soft! smile

                1. 0
                  just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Kids definitely have a unique and refreshingly honest outlook. No shame, or age, required for tears of joy in my book. Just means you appreciate the important things in life. smile

                  1. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    The little boy is six, his twin sisters are 5. They are too cute for words! You are spot on, kids lay it on the line. I heard the younger twin mumble "Silly granpa" the other day, then she flashed me a brilliant smile! I was being silly but did not expect to be called on it!

                    Sometimes I wish they weren't so smart! lol

  14. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 5 years ago

    Really ? how do you know ?

    which channel is airing this reliable holy information ?

  15. thirdmillenium profile image72
    thirdmilleniumposted 5 years ago

    Prayers have no use against calamities. Calamities are allowed by God

  16. dingdondingdon profile image61
    dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago

    I don't think anyone is trying to be malicious by saying they will pray for Japan's victims and survivors. It's their way of saying "I have empathy for the people suffering in this situation and I truly hope that things will improve". I'm not religious, so I don't tell people I will pray for them but when something bad happens I do usually say "they are in my thoughts" or something like that. It's a way of recognizing that something terrible has happened and that I'm not ignoring it.

    Of course, prayer and "good thoughts" aren't actually going to actually be of any tangible help, so I'd prefer if we all backed up our prayers and good thoughts with donations and aid, but I don't think just saying "I'm praying for things to get better" is a bad thing. It's meant to be a kind thing.

    1. 0
      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I doubt that there is malice in it - probably just more foolishness. 

      Just curious as to how people think it really helps, or whether it is just a figure of speech these days to say they are praying.

      1. dingdondingdon profile image61
        dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I don't think they mean it to help tangibly, it's more an attempt to let the victims and survivors know that other people are aware of the situation and feel bad for them. It's meant as emotional support.

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Prayer and action is doubling ya efforts I say lol.

      3. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Baileybear if you dont think prayer helps ,easy answer is dont do it -logic wink really

        1. 0
          just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          How profound. smile Would that everyone followed such a simple and sage piece of advice we could move on to more interesting and worthy discussions.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I have my moments lol

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You tha bomb kiwi..

              (you hear things at mcdonalds..)

              lol

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Do you pray also for other Religions or other predominate non religious contries like Japan dead, not to go to hell?

                My brother who is a pastor prays for my Atheist mother at her death to go to heaven, do you think it worked?

                Can you pray without Jesus salvation?

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You ask many questions. I think the best person to ask would be God. If you don't believe in God then I suppose the answer to your questions would prove useless.

                  smile

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I do asked a question to God, if I do ask a silly question, then God gives me a silly answers.

                    Then I ask a better question related and get a quiet voice better answer, then what I thought could be.

                    The answer this time, be closer to my Japanese friends and do what you can to help.

              2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                vector no talk of weapons on my shift please ,you'll get me shot -oops lol..

                Oh hey funny you mentioned Micky'D's ,it was actually Walmart,I kid you not,  these ladies thought I was sweet( think it was the  accent) hehe and what do ya know ,next thing we were talkin about food standards, and free food samples (like where were they lol) and as we munched and crunched on new Tortilla chips ,I said:

                I wonder if Jesus ever had chip n dip lol this good!!

                I made new friends smile

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  How cool is that. big_smile I love making new friends, especially because of Jesus! lol

                  You just can't beat the conversation..  wink

                  smile

          2. 0
            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            you might have found this boring, but I think the responses have been quite interesting

            1. 0
              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No bailey bear. The answers are interesting. And enlightening. It has been my observation that the enlightenment is lop sided. Perhaps a different tack is in order? This one appears on a course to no where, but I just got here a month or two ago. I doubt I have been here long enough to make a studied judgement. smile

              1. 0
                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                which side seems more enlightened to you?  I am pleased that the thread has generated interesting discussion - didn't know how to word the OP being such a delicate subject matter, as people are suffering in Japan

                1. 0
                  just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Your side, in many ways. This belief that you are blessed through prayer, and sinners suffer because they don't is sad. But it doesn't appear as if anyone gets that, other than the ones who already knew it. I wonder if there will come a time where everyone understands the meaning of the term natural disaster.

                  1. 0
                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    that's exactly why I have a problem with prayer - the attitude that those who pray get blessed & those that have bad things happen weren't 'right with god'

        2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
          Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Eaglekiwi, Exactly. One should allow people to pray in peace who desire to pray. There is nothing foolish about praying. You hit the nail on the mark. smile

        3. 0
          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          In the OP, I didn't ask whether I should pray or not (I no longer do), but rather whether people thought it was any use (particularly with natural disasters)

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I believe they are implying it does. And, I think it was a branch off of the trunk of the tree.

  17. pisean282311 profile image56
    pisean282311posted 5 years ago

    Having personally being victim of earthquake , I understand importance of prayers..but not done by others but those who themselves have suffered...It doesnot work as far as tangible results is concerned but it works for mental state of victims and belief me when nature strikes one needs lot of mental strength to overcome that...prayer helps in that....

    1. 0
      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      did you pray to god?  the universe?  or was it giving yourself a pep talk?

      1. pisean282311 profile image56
        pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I didnt...i dont believe in religious god who would bail me out....i am talking about people living around me , in my building...they did and it worked for them is seeing through those tough times...prayers do work in that sense....

  18. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    spiritualspark3 has been banned.

    He emailed me, and also asked me to post a reply to another person who was participating on this forum.

    I do not think it appropriate to do so,so havent.

    Takes time to grow in wisdom.

    Thats all kids , pass the popcorn plse smile

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Eaglekiwi  about spiritualspark3

      Interesting enough guy, I tried to calm him down because he was a bit of a loose cannon.

      How long is he banned for?

      1. 0
        BunuBobuposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        How does someone get banned?
        What did he do??

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I an immune to insults, sparky is new and got involved in too many really heated insults with many members, I wonder myself what did he do to go over the line

        2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I agree with ya there Castle, Im sure timeout will see him back soon fighting fit lol.

          I dont know how long he is banned for.

  19. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 5 years ago

    Beelzedad wrote:
    Yes, I understand believers have a difficult time distinguishing reality from fantasy. Everyone knows that.

    ==============================

    ME     ??????   
    Is there a distinct line between fantacy and reality?   I mean really ?   
      who gets to draw the line between fantacy and reality ??

      fantacy may be but another verson of reality ?


       Maybe reality is but one small portion of fantacy?

       Maybe fantacy is the real deal and it is up to us to establish one fantacy or another as our reality ?

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting, in a way.

      My son chatted to me about the same things ,bit like 'Mattrix?


      What truly amazes me is the brain/mind and how its all wired!!
      Then theres the psycology aspect.

      God is Awesome!

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I am constantly being amazed.   ,, at the simplicity  of the hard to understand.   

            I think that all of humanity is just too educated for it's own good.   Sometimes I think that we have all tricked ourselves in our own understanding.

           something like that anyway.

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You mean like a little bit of knowledge is dangerous?

          Just enough to condemn yourself so they say...

          smile

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            True

            Little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.

    2. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Reality, of course. smile

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Relativity is a perfect example of reality isn't it?

        smile

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, it is, do you understand relativity? smile

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Absolutely, in it's entirety, and special relativity as well. I also agree that the speed of light is a constant.

            smile

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              LOL! One whopper after another. smile

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                One baseless assumption after another.

                smile

  20. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    lol

    I know what you mean.

    Brings to mind a parable Jesus taught:

    Unless a person becomes like a child ,(childlike,not childish) they find it hard to accept,believe and not doubt.

    Children believe what their father tells them 'faithfully' because he is DAD!
    Thats what Jesus was saying..God is our Father and what father doesnt want good things for His kids smile

    Bless you Jerami!


    (Sorry Vector ,my post was sposed to be under Jerami -smile

    1. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Much apreciated .

          And back atcha   


         I don't think that we were put here to know what the big picture looks like.

        We Wuddunt suposed to know what the right hand was doing.
        That would take all of the fun out of it.   I think

    2. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      God is good. Faith like a child kiwi.. Exactly.  wink

      Christ said God was our Father, and that's exactly what I call Him. Wrote a poem for Him the other day.

      And I love my Father very much....

      smile

  21. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    Off with his head. To the dungeons he must go.

    Hey Vector ,your humilty reminds me so much of this song we used to sing, do ya know it?


    I am loved , I am loved , I can risk loving you

    Because the one who loves me most ,loves me the best smile

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol I like it.

      Never heard it before. I should jot that down...

      smile

  22. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    Aint it grand that even though He remembers we came from dust ,still He delights in us!

    Sad news or good news big_smile GOOD NEWS BABY~

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Your somethin else kiwi... lol

      And I agree.

      big_smile

  23. Mjacinth profile image60
    Mjacinthposted 5 years ago

    Greetings to all hubbers.  I have read some of the mail about what is the use of prayer in natural disasters. Well, I suppose that not everyone is not the same, we do not all believe the same thing, add to that we are living in a pluralistic society.  With all of this in mind, there will be differences of opinion.  Actually I choose to believe in praying to an almighty God.  I do not understand everything, I cannot explain whys and wherefores, but I do believe in God and that He hears and answers prayers. I know too that people will suffer, innocent people at that.  Yes help must be given to the people of Japan, it is not enough to prayer but it must be followed by practical help.  Thats all for now.

    God bless you all

  24. Chouji-Von-Lycan profile image60
    Chouji-Von-Lycanposted 5 years ago

    prayers, in some sense motivate people into action, for some people consider prayers a buzz kill this works, for others, they just

  25. 0
    kimberlyslyricsposted 5 years ago

    In this time of need
    May the suffering
    Find some sanity
    To accept the things
    They cannot change
    Find the courage
    To change the things
    They can
    And have the
    Wisdom to know the difference

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well said smile

      1. HattieMattieMae profile image69
        HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Very long replies, I guess I would say that prayer calms us, gives a security in an unstable environment, and in a disaster, our only hope is that God will let us survive and live another day.  It may not stop the storm, and might.

        You never know how God will answer!

    2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
      Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      kimberly, Agreed. smile

  26. arb profile image80
    arbposted 5 years ago

    It seems to me that praying allows for the possibility of answer. I think that is sufficient reason when the other alternative (not praying) prohibits possibility. Prayer is not the substitute for action, it is the precursor. It is the voice of faith, but, even lacking faith, the possibility of answer, is reason enough. What does it say of us if we do not have a few moments in our day to ask comfort to rain upon Japan? Perhaps, we would rather be right in our opposition to God than for their suffering to be eased. I would prefer being proved wrong about God, after all, who have I hurt by praying and if He is there, He will not ask of me, why I did not cry out on their behalf. If crying out on their behalf offends the unbeliever, perhaps it is time to evaluate the reason behind the question!

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Beautiful response...

      God bless your heart..

      big_smile

  27. French Fancy profile image61
    French Fancyposted 5 years ago

    Simply?
    Faith....

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hallelujah!!!

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Amen!!!!!!!!!!

      2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Praise God!!

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yeh! make everyone god!!!

  28. aware profile image69
    awareposted 5 years ago

    I don't pray .   But i know some that do  . I think it  puts them at ease  and  acts as a release  for the pent up    angst  we all have in life .      i say let  those that  want to pray do so without   judgment

    1. 69
      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, everybody should be free to pray to the Creator-God; leaving judgement to Him.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        There is no law against prayer, yet at a Christian dinner table it must be about Jesus and his Father.

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "must"?

          I make no one pray or make demands of who to pray to if they do. I only ask for respect of the name God. No GDing at the table yes. They can choose what they wish to do at the dinner table so long as it's not a spell with crow legs and frogs heads.... lol

          smile

          1. 0
            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            well, I've just put some cane toads in the freezer - might make a good witches brew

            1. kirstenblog profile image76
              kirstenblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              mmmm can I have a cup o that witches brew when its finished?

              I love me some yummy witches brew! tongue *licks lips*

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                lol

                yuck...

                cool

              2. 0
                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                now 5 big fat cane toads in freezer waiting for rubbish day - toxic pest in australia

          2. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            vector7

            If a Muslim Family came to your house for dinner and everyone prayed a Muslim prayer out loud. They prayed just before the meal and did not allow you and your Family to say a Christian prayer, would you dislike it?

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol

              You turning the bullet on me? You mean "not allow" me to pray and thank God for my food. Sorry, I can pray to my God with my eyes open or shut, people talking or not. And so can my family. My God hears all of my prayers and no I will not eat my food until I thank Him for it.

              They can pray all they want, and I'll be respectful to them. But I'm not going to abandon my own prayers because someone carries a different opinion.

              Not allow is a control thing, and I will surrender many things in this life including freedom.. All of my freedom except of my God. I will not deny Him, nor be denied praying to Him. I'd rather die. Yes, I know. Extreme for you. Death carries no weight when you know God is real.

              I hope you don't condemn me for that.

              smile

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              (I would) second thoughts depends on who hes prayin too..

              But its my house ,so generally speakin it my rules smile

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Maybe I'm 'too' humble? I'm not sure if too humble is even possible.. Maybe? I haven't given that much thought actually...

                smile

  29. HattieMattieMae profile image69
    HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago

    If we put all of you in one room what would happen? lol

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      They would agree on one thing at dinner,

      That their Religion is the one and only right way to God

      Please, pass the hot piping sheep’s brains

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Wait a minute.
        Are you implying that Christians have sh for brains.

        Oh so you dont follow any laws?

        Hmm..

        Its funny to me when I hear people make fun of Christians for following Gods laws ,yet they follow laws themselves ,but thats ok because its them thinking for themselves -yea right !

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Your gods law says to kill your children for talking back. Which law that you are aware agrees with that? smile

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Not my God.

            And furthermore my children are alive and well ,so facts follow proof ,do they not?

            1. 0
              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hey. Is it my imagination, or are the nay sayers in particularly rare form this weekend?

            2. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, your god.



              Yes, the facts do follow proof, you disobey your god, that is a fact. smile

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Prove it is fact for me !

                You cant.

                Silly statement to accuse me then.

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You proved it yourself, your children are alive, which is proof you disobeyed your god. smile

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Such a silly statement.

          2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Dont follow you ,but since you dont answer my questions ,guess it doesnt matter lol

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Same with your god, you don't follow him either. Seems we have much in common. I wouldn't kill my children either in the name of your god. smile

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You haven't anything left to resort to. Therefore you run to the desperate case pulling out those scriptures. Apparently you still don't have proof God doesn't exist either?

                smile

        2. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Eaglekiwiposted 54 minutes ago in reply to this
          Wait a minute.
          Are you implying that Christians have sh for brains.
          Oh so you dont follow any laws?

          Yes, my law would be simplified to be honest and don't harm,
          My law of love, would never imply sh for brains to any group, just over ego

          It's Just that groups like Politician, Nerds, Atheist, Scientist have higher IQs than the Christian, groups, Bush is a fine example

          1. 0
            just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hey castle. What's up this weekend? All the nay sayers are being horribly mean. That was a wicked harsh post. And I mean wicked only in the most modern vernacular. smile

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I just go with the flow of my conscious and subconscious thoughts and co creates with God.

              All groups have upsides and downsides; I make the too comfortable- uncomfortable and uncomfortable- comfortable

              1. 0
                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Co create with God huh. I thought the devil made you do it. lol

                Ok. I hope I never have reason to make you that creative. smile

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You are creative and God made you in his imagine, did he not?

                  1. 0
                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I'll be honest. I've had enough for one day of these ridiculous arguments. Nothing good is accomplished. No one wants to listen to each other. Everyone simply wants to shove their ideas out there and then argue. I cannot understand why everyone is so set in their minds. I swear I think half the people here have to be geriatric. This makes no sense.

          2. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Sheep brains implies over obedience and blind faith like sheep

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yep is how I understood how you meant it.

              To follow (like sheep) after Christ is not blindly,or without thought.

              1. Beelzedad profile image59
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Bleating like sheep while following Christ certainly is without thought. smile

          3. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            But Atheists claim that Religion has/are controlling everyone and creating wars?

            If there Intelligence were of any value ,how did they let this happen?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Greedy rich tooling the religious righteous for more control and they most often pray before battle in the name of God

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The soldiers are not evil. The government leaders created the wars, and if someone attacks your country you don't let them kill all your children. I don't agree with war, but those men you are talking about "praying" before battle do it to protect you. I don't feel it's very honourable to demean them in such a way.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Can you imagine a USA President ever being elected without being Christian in your life time? Let’s say a President being an Atheist, Jew, Muslim or non religious

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Irrelevant to my prior statement. Soldiers are not evil. They want to protect their children at home. They didn't create the war.

                    smile

  30. The Quiz Master profile image68
    The Quiz Masterposted 5 years ago

    When did praying actually achieve something?
    If prayer actually worked then we would all be lottery winners.
    Go ahead and pray if it makes you feel better but it would be better to donate some money and do something more constructive with your time.
    Believing in a God is susperstitious mumbo jumbo and dates back to when we were cave men and didn't know any better.
    I would have thought the human race would have reached a level of intelligence by now to realise this.

    1. 0
      just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, studies show that those who pray donate, on average, 4 times more to charity than those who don't. Sounds to me like they are multi tasking pretty well.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yep to date God has best interest rates smile 100% plus returns,with on going benefits lol

      2. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Trollin trollin trollin. lol

        Liars for Jesus.

        1. 0
          just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Morning sunshine. smile

          I see you trolled your way to my pitiful thoughts on the subject. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to the truth? I'm always looking. smile

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No, no you are not. sad

            1. 0
              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well, that's an opinion. You know what they say about those here in the states. cool

              Simply because I am not interested in internalizing a jaded and unrealistic view of the world does not mean I don't seek truth. It simply means I am not willing to follow a path I see as not in harmony. I do concede that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

              You can continue to harass me, which is well within your rights. Or go away. Your right too. Or (and this would be my choice) actually share your thoughts in a nonconfrontational manner.

              I bow to whatever your decision is on this matter. smile

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Dear me. I am not harassing you. Sorry - is it against the law to express an opinion in your country? I did not realize. lol

                I do find you rather funny and am immune to your trolling. I would be interested in what you get out of it though. Is there some pleasure to be derived from doing what you do? But I never really understood peopel who derive pleasure from causing conflicts. I guess I never really understood the Christian mindset so I just do not get the idea of pleasure from conflict. Perhaps you could explain it to me?

                1. 0
                  just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm very confused by your reply. I thought I made it clear that it was within your rights to do whatever you pleased.

                  Hmmm, I do relish reading the opinions of others. And I have had a few people recommend interesting reading. There have been a few laughs, and I have learned a few things. So, all in all, I can honestly say this has been a good experience for me. It sounds (from your comments) that my presence has produced a negative effect on you. If this is the case I apologize.

                  I believe it was the dalai lama who suggested that if you can do something about a problem, there is nothing to worry about. If you can't do something about it there is nothing to worry about. This problem we have would fit into that category for me.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry - I seem to have upset you again. Is that why you did not answer my questions? Nothing negative - as I said - I find you funny. I do not have a problem - I am genuinely interested in the pleasure you seem to derive from the way you act. 

                    But I understand if you don't want to answer. A lot of religious people like yourself do seem rather cut off from themselves. No worries.

      3. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Trollin trollin trollin. lol

        Little wonder your religion causes so many conflicts. sad

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          More pointless opinions?

          smile

      4. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Mark you did not answer just _ curios comment to.....

        Actually, studies show that those who pray donate, on average, 4 times more to charity than those who don't. Sounds to me like they are multi tasking pretty well.

        IReligious people are 25% more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). Religion donating their time and money at the higher rates typical of all religious believers, so the reason why religious people give is more to do with their own politics in which politics has a lot to do with getting your own way. About 78 percent of Americans donated some money to at least one church.

        The group in the United States that donate the highest percentages of their income are the poor (those making less than $20,000 per year.) Religious sector and religious organizations. .... of their donations go to churches and other religious purposes. ... Most of their donations are given to churches and related interest to their religion, rather than to other out side of religious purposes.

        1. 0
          just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, I know. It occurred to me after I posted that that religion is considered a charitable contribution. I don't consider that a charity. It would be interesting to see the statistics if that was taken out of the mix.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Charity Donations are Tax Deductible

            Donations of cash and property to qualified non-profits are tax deductible. To be deductible, taxpayers must keep records of their contributions. In the religious case it is tax free and hidden often. The one and only god religious politic dose mix well with most other core belief religions and non religious thoughts

            Politics in which politics has a lot to do with getting your own way. , rather than for other out side  purposes.

            1. 0
              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well, in fairness, it has been my observation that people seek power for personal gain; rarely for the common good. Religious or otherwise.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Odd thing about many veteran artists is they look at the world as their Family often enough more than their own blood family and money is secondary.

                Why one big reason I do not belong to any one group, is most groups want to separate.

        2. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          OOWSP forgot to edit

  31. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    The best answer to sum up it all up (IMO) is with one answer :

    Faith.

    The Christian lives by faith , hope in things 'unseen'.Note it doesnt say 'all things' because clearly we often see change in a person ,or circumstances as a result of prayer combined with other things. Never the less if do some research on the testimonies of certain individuals ,you would conclude at the very least ,an intervention of a divine being smile


    http://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org/faith-in-god.htm

    Prayer is not treating God like a Santa Claus  or good fairy ,therefore the 'gimme gimme' notion of requesting $$ to satisfy the 'me' syndrome is not going to happen.

    1. jay_kumar_07 profile image61
      jay_kumar_07posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      YES
      FAITH
      Disaster death ed people are  in paradise .But people in earth are praying.
      what a beauty.

  32. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    What is a troll?
    A Hub piece of jargon ,cuz I thought they lived under a bridge lol

  33. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    Oh you two just kiss n make up dammit smile

    1. 0
      just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well the thought of that's going to throw him into a snit.  lol

  34. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    No not your imagination lol

    Full moon last night?

  35. 69
    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    Natural disasters are a respite for the human beings from the Creator-God to return to the path of purpose of life created by Him; which man has forgotten to pursue in the course of the man's routine material life. So prayer helps man to ask forgiveness from the Creator-God; and man pledges again to tread on the peaceful and truthful path set for man by the Creator-God; it is a warning and a respite: And if Allah were to punish men for their wrongdoing. He would not leave therein a living creature, but He gives them respite till an appointed term, and when their term is come, they cannot remain behind a single hour, nor can they go ahead of it. (16:62) To undestand its philosophy one many like to access:

    http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000018.html

    1. Cagsil profile image82
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol You're too funny Paar. lol lol

      1. 69
        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What is so funny about it?

  36. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    If we leave out certain labels it would be easy to see that men and womens) hearts can be quite wicked.

    God made me do it. The devil made me do it.

    Lame.

  37. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    I also think it comes full circle back to Faith.

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      God didn't make me. But He's really persuasive... lol

      And Amen.. Faith.

      smile

  38. 69
    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    And if Allah were to punish men for their wrongdoing. He would not leave therein a living creature, but He gives them respite till an appointed term, and when their term is come, they cannot remain behind a single hour, nor can they go ahead of it. (16:62) To undestand its philosophy one many like to access:

    http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000018.html

  39. 0
    klarawieckposted 5 years ago

    The law of attraction... you are sending positive energy to the people who are in need of help. There is nothing wrong with it. Prayer is free and when everyone's energy is concentrated over a particular territory, or over a specific group of people, miracles happen. It gives those in need the strength to put their lives back together.

    1. 69
      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you.

      One is concentrated and set for reconstruction physically and also one can reform oneself spiritually to the purpose of creation and evolution.

  40. a2z-a2z.com profile image60
    a2z-a2z.composted 5 years ago

    As per the original question, what use is prayer in natural disaster? I think, Prayer in natural disasters can be a means of closeness to God.

  41. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    But for some reasons Atheists feel this great need to try and belittle me...

    Insecure perhaps?

    Just wierd.

    1. 0
      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      belittling you or challenging your belief system?  I have done the latter; if you feel belittled, you're getting your emotions in the way & taking it personally

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I can tell the difference,trust me.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          A person can only feel belittled or insulted if you allow it. You own opinion about yourself is the most important opinion in the world.

          Test it.

          Insult me and give it your best shot.

          1. 0
            BunuBobuposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Too true! big_smile

        2. 0
          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          have I belittled you?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No, I am 6 feet tall.

            Or is it another open ended comment for anyone?

  42. Sanyiel profile image58
    Sanyielposted 5 years ago

    To give my own opinion on this:
    Prayer does not have any use in natural disasters. Asking a being whose existence is uncertain for help isn't even equivalent to sending one penny to help out.
    If these people truly wanted to help, then they would send money or aid.
    Obviously, if they're poor and unable to send anything, then they can probably get away with not doing so. big_smile

    1. 69
      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Religious people do both the things; they pray for the affectees and also send money to help them:

      Japan Earthquake and Tsunami - 12K Deaths
      Humanity First Continues to Help in Dangerous Conditions

      On March 11 Tsunami spawned by one of the largest earthquakes ever recorded slammed Japan’s eastern coast Friday, sweeping away people, cars and homes while widespread fires burned out of control.

      The death toll continues to rise, hospitals are overwhelmed with patients are running out of supplies, and millions of people have been without food, water or shelter for days. Around 63,255 buildings have either been destroyed or damaged, and more 400,000 people are in emergency shelters. There are now 4 nuclear reactors which are in critical condition and it is feared that the radioactivity is increasing around Fukushima area however the rescue teams are still arriving in the area and the search operation is still going on.

      March 12th Humanity First Disaster Response Team is doing the relief work in Fukushima city which is very near to the Fukushima atomic power plant - 1. Humanity First team has initiated a soup kitchen to serve cooked food and water to the displaced people.

      March 15th Humanity First continues to assist the victims of Tsunami. The team has moved its relief camp to Sendai, the city that was completely washed away after the Tsunami. The Humanity First team was one of the first to reach this badly affected area.

      March 16th HF is managing the relief camp at Junior high School in Miyagi prefecture, Sendai

      http://www.humanityfirst.ca/

 
working