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Religion to become extinct, says model of census data

  1. superwags profile image81
    superwagsposted 6 years ago

    Interesting study published at the American Physical Society suggests that religion will all but die out in seven countries who's cencus data has been used to create a mathematical model.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197

    Sad to see that an element of our cultural heritage is likely to be lost, or do you just see it as an inevitable trend towards common sense?

    1. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yeahhh...

      1. superwags profile image81
        superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Rainbow Lorikeets! My favourites!

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      just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The sooner the better. Of course, we'll fill the void with something else to fight about. It's what we do.

      1. superwags profile image81
        superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Of course, no wars are really about religion any more; if ever.

        The countries studied are Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland; all wealthy developed western nations.

        It'd be more interesting to see Nigeria, Idonesia, India, Congo Pakistan, Egypt and also the USA. See where they're headed. I suspect it would actually be the same way - just a far slower gradient.

      2. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I reckon we could start a new way to fight.
        Everyone can fight over how to give more love, do more for their family, their friends, neighbors and others.

        The new god of love will then pass judgment on those who don't help out and tax them incessantly.
        We will call this new god by an old name. Democracy. smile

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          puhleeese
          your pie in the sky ideaology is full of delusion.
          Democracy is under control by an elite few. IF you think the vote is all powerful, guess again. Do you think that those who have been molding the world for 100s of years are going to let a bunch of genetically challenged poor people tell them who to put in office.
          Revolutions have started because of democracy and tyrannism, they are both the same thing, just different names and playing fields.

          Im glad you have hope in humanity. When times get tough, i am sure you will share all you have with your neighbours.

          1. vector7 profile image60
            vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            "Democracy is under control by an elite few. IF you think the vote is all powerful, guess again. Do you think that those who have been molding the world for 100s of years are going to let a bunch of genetically challenged poor people tell them who to put in office."

            He's right. You guys should jump on the common sense wagon. It's been going around for a very long time.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

            smile

      3. quicksand profile image83
        quicksandposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sure, man needs something to quarrel about! So much so for being a social animal! lol lol lol

      4. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Wow. You still the same person or is someone else writing in your name? lol....

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          just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Still me.

          Imagine my shock when I stepped outside of my bubble. smile

          1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
            Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            May your journey be a happy and successful one. wink

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              just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Journey? lol

              It was a log flume. I coughed up hairballs for three days. It's all cool though. I changed my avatar to suit my mood. It's quite fascinating to realize how quickly you come to conclusions when you step back and look at it dispassionately. I suppose I never bothered before since I didn't actually interact with any people who talk religion on a personal level. This place is a madhouse of personal beliefs. It definitely shocked me into thinking about what is actually on the minds of the fundamentalists. Glad I came in. smile

    3. BRIAN SLATER profile image85
      BRIAN SLATERposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      an inevitable trend towards common sense- I bet Mark Knowles and Earnest can hardly wait!

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        True, I have no love of being constantly threatened in a forum by someone else's gods wrath. smile I don't care what others want to believe if they don't force feed it with constant threads. smile I try to educate in order to protect my grandchildren from this sort of rot by confronting it wherever it appears in the hope that they will wake up and start living their own lives, leaving others to do the same. smile

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          an indocrination of atheism
          let me introduce you to irony.

          someone who wasnt scared would educate a child in both.

          smile

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The religionists in the world do that 24/7. smile

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            Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I make my son go to religious ed despite his protests.  I told him it would be good for him to learn what some people believe.

      2. superwags profile image81
        superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Haha, well they don't need that much of an invitation do they?!

    4. kirstenblog profile image77
      kirstenblogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ? hmm

      That's like being sad we don't burn witches at the stake anymore hmm

      1. superwags profile image81
        superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Churches are pretty. And anyway, I had to try to think of one positive thing about religion!

    5. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is a historical fact that major religions seldom last more than 2000 to 4000 years. Most of the current major religions are less than 2000 years old. The exceptions are Hinduism and Judaism. But they are less than 4000 years old.  There will always be small pockets of believers and revivals. But religion is losing and has lost it's political power in most countries. The exception being Islam. But then, it's their time. All major religions go through a time where they rule, and when the people are fed up they find a way to take that power away.

      But what is growing is atheism and agnosticism. So this time rather than going to another religion, I think we will see the major decline and fall of religion within a couple hundred years.

      Again, there will likely always be pockets of believers, but I think the days the majority being religious is in deep decline and all but over.

    6. Pr0metheus profile image60
      Pr0metheusposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I've said it before, and I will say it again... religion is nothing more than an outdated form of government.


      But, don't confuse religion with spirituality.

    7. qwark profile image61
      qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Wags:

      Not to worry!

      It will not happen in our lifetime.

      There would have to be a massive reduction in human population and a dedicated 1 world gov't to control those who remain.

      There would have to be universal education and well enforced fiats dedicated to the destruction of primitive religious thought and action.

      There is no possibility of that happening for a very very long time. Maybe a millenia.

      That 1 world gov't would have to govern with a "Machiavellian" steel fist and would have to have the survival of the human species as its goal!

      Religion has so fragmented mankind that it cannot work in concert for its continuing survival.

      Time, overpopulation, ignorance, deprivation etc., have already gained the upper hand.

      Contemporary man has no method of counteracting the inevitable coming catastrophe!

      Qwark

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      There is no danger to the truthful religion; it will remain as fresh as ever; no worry.

  2. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    It is inevitable. No doubt! smile

    1. superwags profile image81
      superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'd really like to hope so...

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Religion creates conflict based on selfish behavior, which can never lead to peace. wink

        1. superwags profile image81
          superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'd largely agree with that, though I think religion is often used as a cover for other motives for war.

          The data presented - from the point of view of a Brit like me probably doesn't cause too many surprises - particularly the countries they reviewed. It doesn't look at America which I see as largely bucking the trend to non-religousity with greater wealth, standard of living, education etc.

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            America isn't bucking the trend in all actuality. The people(Americans) are always hopeful. Thus, if asked if they believe in a god, almost always say- "Yes", simply because they rather not deal with the backlash of saying "No". lol

            1. superwags profile image81
              superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, you lot scare the hell out of us across the pond!!! Abortion clinic bombing, young earthers standing for a job to get thier finger on the button, banning government funded stem cell research at the drop of a (cowboy) hat!

              I guess there's a certain cultural norm to which people feel they must adhere.

              There's discussion of it with regards to our upcoming census in the news today (it happens once every ten years)...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12637201

              The concern is that it basically allows the respondent to tick only one box; so some that regard themselves as culturally christian, sikh, muslim etc. and yet have no real belief , do not have an opportunity to state this.

              1. Cagsil profile image59
                Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Advocate groups powered by religious institutions has done most of the damage. However, as my advocate company grows and increases awareness of the topics I write about, then things in America are going to change, because change cannot be fought.

                It must occur. wink

                1. superwags profile image81
                  superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Glad to hear it mate!

                  1. pisean282311 profile image59
                    pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    religion would die since it cannot adopt...my book only book , my god only god doesnot hold much of water considering how humans are evolving...present religion would try hard to adopt...like vatican saying sorry to galileo or recent controversy of using birth control measures and such things...but at core religion wont be too liberal to change its thinking pattern and is bound to become extinct...sooner it does , better the world would be...but i guess   europe would take the lead...

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Scared?
                You jest, surely!
                Knowing that liberal Americans are now pushing for the "right" to kill their own babies doesn't scare you, but the bombing of abortion clinics does?   That's so twisted.

                1. Cagsil profile image59
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You don't understand rights. wink

                2. superwags profile image81
                  superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I rest my case

                3. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Don't want an abortion? Don't have one. If you are going to have one do it within the first three months. After that  the fetus has developed a brain and nerves. Personally, I wouldn't sanction abortion after three months unless the mother's life is at risk. But that's me. The law is clear. It is not a baby until it is born. It is not a person until it is born. So legally abortion is not murder.

                  A woman has the right to do with her body what she wants. If she wants to think oft the fetus like a parasite then it is her natural  right to abort it. She will whether the law allows or not. That often results in the death of often teen age girls.

                  Now if you are using abortion as birth control you are a whack job anyway. Better you don't have kids. Better to have your tubes tied and be done with it.

                  Another reason for abortion is that it is often better to be aborted than abused. How many kids die because their parents didn't want them in the first place or are too mentally unstable to be able to handle them? Those kids are just delayed abortions. That's societies fault if it gives no options to desperate woman.

                  That's what abortion laws are for, to give people options.   

                  Bombing abortion clinics is murder by definition, if someone dies there. No ifs ands or buts. To think otherwise is definitely twisted.

                  1. vector7 profile image60
                    vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I wouldn't sanction killing anything that was GOING to be a human being. The potential of it becoming a life of it's own and growing on it's own says LIFE that you are KILLING.

                    Maybe they should just not whore around and get knocked up.

                    And even then they could be responsible enough to take advantage of a MULTI-BILLION dollar birth control industry..

                    There's no excuse for abortions. OR BOMBING ANYTHING.. They are both wrong. Period.

                    Plant a seed. Let a leaf pop out. Then soak it with bleach. That's exactly what your doing. KILLING.

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                  AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Brenda,

                  No one is making you terminate your pregnancies.  What makes you think you have the right to make choices for other people?  They get to lead their own lives - so do you. 

                  It's called live and let live.

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Really?  Live and let live, is it?
                    Tell that to the little babies whose mothers abort them.  Oh wait, ya can't, can ya?  'Cause they're dead.

        2. profile image68
          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't agree with you; the founders of all revealed religions were selfless persons, like Buddha,Socrates,Krishna,Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad ; they amassed no wealth or riches; they were not corrupt people; they were honest people who served humanity well.

          It is a baseless blame of the atheists.

          1. pisean282311 profile image59
            pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            founders never wanted religion...they never wanted sect...they never wanted few people calling themselves scholars rule over masses...i think you have got confused between religion and spirituality...religion has only one purpose to make people fear unproven entity and follow the so called scholars...it is bondage ...and it works ...

          2. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Of course you wouldn't agree. A prime example of selfish behavior. And, you need to research and every time you post I know you haven't. tongue

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Disagreement is selfish?

              What a concept...

              smile

        3. ewd76 profile image60
          ewd76posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The End of Days are nearly upon us.

          1. Shadesbreath profile image89
            Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You do realize you are like the 10 zillionth person to call that in the last 2 or so thousand years right?

            Every time there's a spate of natural disasters, the numbers spike on that call too. The only thing more predictable is sunrise (which I realize will be ceasing soon).

            1. ewd76 profile image60
              ewd76posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              " The only thing more predictable is sunrise (which I realize will be ceasing soon)."

              Cool, a convert! Now I'm definitely in with the man upstairs. smile

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            AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Here's your sign.  :-))

            1. recommend1 profile image71
              recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Don't you mean ((-:  ?

  3. Shadesbreath profile image89
    Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago

    I think that the world religions we are all familiar with were destined to fail because they are simply too dated. Bronze age answers, no matter how many times they are repackaged, are only going to satisfy people in a modern world for so long. The only thing that will save the religions that have remained popular for the last couple of millennium is a major disaster (man made or natural). 

    If a big enough disaster happens, then priests and imams and shamans and rabbis will be able to run out with their dusty old tomes held high, and say, "Seee!" Many of them are trying desperately to create the disaster before it's too late and they lose all their power, but it's going to be harder and harder to convince people that the old stories are truly "the word of god" in a global culture that has access to one another in the ways we do today, which is essentially what that article seems to suggest.

    If no major catastrophe, no "Armageddon," hits in a timely fashion, then the currently popular religions will fail and get tossed on the heap of discarded religions with the once great religions that came before them (and that birthed them), which lay upon the ones that came before them and so on.

    But not to worry, humanity loves its religion, so something will come along. It always has. It might take a disaster to give it some fertile soil to grown in, or it might just take some really charismatic person and a bit of luck. A lightning bolt at just the right time, or a meteor appearing at the right moment in a speech somewhere, caught on film would do it.

    Or else the aliens will appear and they'll give us a new one. People will want one after a while. They always do. Some anyway.

  4. David Bowman profile image60
    David Bowmanposted 6 years ago

    I think a lot of it has to do with things like the internet. Never before has there been a time when information was so readily available to the average person. No longer do people only rely on their pastor for information, which would invariably be biased. People read articles that are critical of religion and read the arguments between believers and non-believers that those articles inspire. It is very telling that, instead of people's faith being strengthened by access to this information, it is actually being destroyed. Truth always wins - period.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      amazingly, people manage to stay in their little bubbles & keep believing what they want to without checking out what the other side has to say

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Many christians have come from the 'other side'. No need to check out, despondancy, slavery to fleshly desires, lack of hope, hapiness instead of joy... What this world has to offer pales in comparison with what God offers.

        Been there, done that, got the tshirt, threw the t-shirt away, finished repeating unending cycles that are destructive, come out of egypt...

        things are sooo much better now.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Sooo much better because you now have hope that there is a majik sky fairy who will punish the atheists for not beleiving in it and reward you with eternal life for denying your natural impulses?

          And this give you joy?

          No wonder your religion causes so many wars. sad

          1. pisean282311 profile image59
            pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            punished by non existing entity for non existing crime to non existinct human beings (after death)...wow makes perfect sense...hey mark is there written is any of 400 religious scriptures that god is senseless being?

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          fleshy desires....sounds like fun!  Except I was brought up to believe sex was dirty

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          AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          (What this world has to offer pales in comparison with what God offers.)

          botheryochanan,

          You are so cool! 

          God offers thunbscrews, the rack, burning at the stake, drownings, bashing childrens' heads against rocks, murder of firstborn, drowning of the world population, turning women into salt.....

          It's like Disneyland for the Marquis de Sade

  5. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Education is spreading. smile Religion will go the way of all such myths.

    1. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      John Lennon

      During an interview with an American magazine, John Lennon said, “Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue that. I am certain. Jesus was okay, but his subjects were too simple. Today, we are more famous than Him. (1966)

      Sure it will. Same argument. Different disguise....

      smile

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yup - atheism is fast growing in educated societies - it just takes time to eradicate such nonsense - especially with you guys still indoctrinating innocent children.  Don't worry - your religion will die out soon.

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol

          Dreams are just that Mark.. Dreams..

          I thought that's what atheism was about. Not having dreams?

          smile

          1. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Correction, atheism is about not having religious delusions. smile

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Dreams, futures, ideas.. yeah.. Just cut that all out.

              Maybe we should have listened when they said the earth was flat too..

              Then again, we could have just believed the Bible.

              smile

  6. Harlan Colt profile image87
    Harlan Coltposted 6 years ago

    Bible prophesy says the world will adopt a one world religion and you will either join it, starve to death or be killed. It also says it will be the wrong religion. That makes since, only the wrong religion would have such a bad sales pitch they have to threaten to cut your head off if you don't join, and they still might after you join. Sounds familiar.

    Well if we all wake up one day and see everyone in the world all joining the same religion with a mark on their hand or forehead I would grab my bible and see what I missed, if there are any still around.

    I don't know. I am surrounded by mega churches, none of which I would step foot into, but not because I am not a man of faith, but because I don't have faith in mega-churches.

    It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
    - Harlan

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You do realize, even by the bible, all prophesies have been fulfilled? Meaning there are no more to fill.
      You'll be long gone by the time it happens anyways, so don't worry.
      So you have a belief in a god, but don't follow organized religions.
      Yes, it will most certainly will be interesting. That's for sure. wink

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        passingthewordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        no i know you havent read or just don't understand the bible. don't knock til you try it

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          roll

          Blissful ignorance at it's finest.

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            passingthewordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ok. Ignorance means that you are unlearned. I don't know everything about the bible but i have learned and am know learning a lot. Everything that you say shows that you have not read or are not understanding the bible. I don't want to name call, I think we are all adults here.
            In Alot of your comments you have posted,  have misquoted what the bible is saying. I pointed this out before but  you have not responded or you just say "your stupid"
            Don't put Down something because you don't understand it.
            Good luck to you man or woman.

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Passingword, the bible is junk. When YOU learn to separate out Jesus' message and decipher it from it's code, then come back and we'll talk. Till then...quit with the mocking and insinuations of being learned.

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                passingthewordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                OK sorry if i made you feel bad. I am not here for that. I just want to share what i have learned. though i am not one that knows everything i want you to get your info from one that will get there answer from the bible not from there imagination.  The bible is good there is allot of truth in it. I don't want to judge but people just don't take the time to really study the bible. it is just like science if you read it over once or twice you would still believe the world was flat. but if you engulf yourself in it. take the word back to it original meaning you would see the world is round. If you are going to study the Bible, reading one versus is not going to help you. listening to someone that says he knows the bible is not going to help you. what is going to help you is to sit down and read, ask the lord for guidance.
                In your case you don't believe in God so you are going to sit down to prove it is wrong. that is OK, that is what a lot of people have done. but at least you have read the truth for yourself. don't put your salvation in someone else's hands. And remember some of the bible is meant for the physical the other was meant for the spiritual. You have to read or ask to understand.
                Good luck to you man.

              2. vector7 profile image60
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The Bible is not junk. Those who don't like it because they already set their minds on being their own god just don't want to be held accountable or believe in the Son of God.

                Unfortunately one day soon you'll die too. Then you can take it up with God.

                And deny it all you want. You know there's a God and your going to have to face Him.

                The little laughy faces and smart remarks are going to make you feel any better inside or make God go away either.

      2. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        not all bible prophesies have been fulfilled. Jesus as King during the millenial kingdom has yet to come. The huge earthquake prior to his return has not occurred either and a some more.
        The bible has not finished.
        But be assured all will come to pass.
        Prophecy has always come true, God is truth, there is more to come.

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Just like so many of the prophesies have been fulfilled so far. People just don't look..

          Hence the reason he has the absurd notion that there are no prophesies left to fulfill. lol

          We know you don't have clue about that subject now don't we..

          smile

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          AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          (not all bible prophesies have been fulfilled)  (Prophecy has always come true)

          Well, brother, you are certainly right there - we are still waiting for Nebuchadnezzar to utterly destroy Tyre.  How much longer do you think we have to wait for that clunker of a prophecy to be true?

          You know, if you make the statements vague enough you can get suckers who want to believe to provide the details and make it appear as if you knew all along what was going to happen - psychic charlatans use this technique of "cold reading" to mystify and bedazzle grieving relatives who desperately want to contact their lost dead.

          The vast majority of bible "prophecies" are in this cold reading class - non-specific and fulfilled only because believers provided the manufactured details after the fact.

          1. vector7 profile image60
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            yeah yeah.. and I guess you think global warming is true too?

            Not like it's cooler now than during medieval times either huh?

            You poor thing. You must think you've proven something...

            smile

  7. pisean282311 profile image59
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    well i partially agree....present religion would become extinct i in future because of lack of ability to adapt with times...it worked as long as science didnt find real reasons for various phenomena ...as it progresses religion would find it difficult to exist but humans can't live without religious god , so their would be new religion created...

  8. prettydarkhorse profile image63
    prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago

    it make sense, however people will always find ways to appease themselves, and that they will discover another form of philosophy (not so much like religion), but a way of a coherent understanding of how things work in this world.

  9. NateSean profile image84
    NateSeanposted 6 years ago

    Science trying to prove the eventual extinction of religion is like a first grader trying to teach a college student how to read. Only not as cute.

    Unless the world takes a Bradbury-style turn for the worse, there will always be people who use religion as a guide for their actions.

    1. pisean282311 profile image59
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      well i guess it is reverse...religion is kid's version of what made universe and such thing...it worked as long as humans remained to that level of understanding but as humans evolve and science discovers , religion would die as it cannot stand with time...it is already dying but not at rate which can be said as needed...but slowly it would die...

  10. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    "The study found a steady rise in those claiming no religious affiliation." Doesn't mean they are not religious or spiritual. Means doesn't have a church affiliation. Some political pollsters say that you can get any result you want by the use of the question asked.

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Religious affiliation? Doesn't mean that they are not religious? Did you think before you posted this reply. As for the spiritual? Sure, many believe in the mysticism derived from religion, for which, they cannot see past. No doubt about that.
      Of course you can. Survey knowledge is constantly used and manipulated to show off things that it's not intended to show. Questions can be phrased in a manner, so as to deceive people who are taking the poll. I'll agree.

    2. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No religious affiliation means no power. No power means it doesn't matter. There will always be people that have their own beliefs. But fewer and fewer will believe in the Christian god until it is benign and harmless.

      I'm all for people going away from organized religion. It means the decline will be faster.

  11. Pierre Savoie profile image59
    Pierre Savoieposted 6 years ago

    If you're going to talk about statistical skewing, how about the fact that the numbers may be UNDERrepresented because people don't want to be overheard in a survey saying what they really THINK about religion, the possibility of God and spirituality, fearful of what their peer-group pressure might think, their boss, the local traffic-cops, other people with power over them?  This is something more real.  Maybe the question should have been, "You're in a safe place.  No one can overhear you.  We put a paper bag over your head.  NOW what do you think about the possibility of God?  Da or nyet?"

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm with you on this. If living in some countries your chance of gaining office is nil without a declared religion of an acceptable denomination. smile

    2. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's absurd. The typical Christian child in a public school takes more heat than we do from you guys.

      And now everyone says, picks, and chooses what they want from the Biblical doctrine. It's an all or nothing gig. You can't say you believe in Heaven but not in Hell. that's ridiculous. But that's most of the people who 'claim' Christianity today.

      They'd be better off just denying the whole Bible. Picking out what you want says none of it means beans to you. It's their "comfort" book, not their guide to life...

      smile

  12. know one profile image60
    know oneposted 6 years ago

    I wish Australia had topped the poll. Maybe next time smile

    I wonder at what percentage it will be possible to stop the state funding of religious schools and programs and require (as we do from other profit-making enterprises) the payment of income tax? And when religion is finally extinct, who gets to sell the vast real estate holdings and keep all the money? The last believer?

  13. profile image61
    smithklineposted 6 years ago

    The religion will be washed away by the people in atleast seven countries. The people are believing in love only and they want to spread love only. I , one day, while doing the business of yournetbiz came across such a point.

    1. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's peace they are boasting. Look a little deeper. Powerful people are trying to melt the religions together into a one world religion. Christians will just say no. wink

      smile

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I can understand your laughter. You're too busy repeating yourself in the forums to know what any country anywhere is doing.

          smile

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Little wonder your religion causes so many wars. sad

            Tell you what - you stop sticking your irrational beliefs at me - I stop laughing at your religion - deal?

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hmm. I didn't notice a "Dear Mark" anywhere on that post.

              Please. Laugh away.

              smile

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That is what I thought. No religionist will ever take the deal to stop spreading the hatred. sad

                1. vector7 profile image60
                  vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Nonsense. I love you Mark. Unconditionally.

                  I know you don't like me loving you. Or you deny it.

                  But I love you..

                  smile

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No - you don't, random internet troll using a fake persona whom I have never met.

                    This is why your religion causes so many wars. Because you think you cannot develop morals or ethics without an Invisible Super Being in the Sky and you do not actually believe in the Invisible Super Being - deep down.

                    This leaves you without a moral compass. Which is why so many christians are murderers and rapists. sad

  14. vector7 profile image60
    vector7posted 6 years ago

    You guys just watch that one world government push that one world religion right on into your life. It's not too far. Just look it up.

    I'll be long gone..

    wink

    1. pisean282311 profile image59
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      t in end better sense would prevail and all religion would become extinct...religion and religious god had their role but as humans evolve , religion wont be able to stand in changing times..it would perish or change...and to change religion has to change its core principals which would be hard to do ...any ways extinction of religion is not new to human beings...it keeps on happening...old religions die , new religion,new godman or god enter the scene and then they become extinct and new one comes and so on...

      buddhism still has chance to survive for another 1k years since it is compatible with science...others would find it difficult...

      1. vector7 profile image60
        vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You should look around. They are going to want you to worship the sun.. As in that big ball of burning hydrogen in space. That's what all the powers of the world want you to worship..

        If you don't see it. Your not looking.

        1. pisean282311 profile image59
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          son or sun are one and same thing man...it doesnot make any difference...in end whether it is jesus or muhammad or sai or sun...it is human faith and faith works since it feels human brain with conviction to act...deity has never been important in human history and never would be...it is mere phase when x diety become important than y and so on...in end god doesnot matter , followers do and fortunately followers are soon realizing that it is they who matter and so religion inclination is declining...yes god would still exist since those who reject religion and its book still believe in some power ...agnostic would be future ...

          1. vector7 profile image60
            vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No. They are not the same thing. Your metaphor does not apply to everything. This is not poetry.

            Your ideas are just that. YOUR ideas. Don't start telling me what I believe in or what it is.

            I don't need your help or your baseless definitions where 'everything = everything' ...

            The letters u and o are NOT the same. Nor do the words Son or Sun have anything in common.

            I call my child my "SON".

            I call the burning ball of gas in space the "SUN".

            Different.

            smile

            1. pisean282311 profile image59
              pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Exactly atleast SUN is greater than son ...SUN is globally accepted entity without which world cannot exist...there is consensus on that and would always be...better to worship something which is proven than something which has not been proven...

              Coming to your statement

              Your ideas are just that. YOUR ideas. Don't start telling me what I believe in or what it is.

              exactly and that applies to you too and all your brothers preaching others out here....keep your ideas to yourself and dont consider yourself as truth seller...consider yourself as your opinion seller and in same way everyone has right to express his/her opinion...

              1. vector7 profile image60
                vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You just contradicted your first statement.

                No more posts for me. I don't do circles.

                smile

                1. pisean282311 profile image59
                  pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  when did i  contradict...i said whether it is sun or son or sai or any...in end they are same...not is physicalities but in poisition they have in follower's faith...so in end they are mere object of faith...and faith is important out here nor diety...i stand by it...

                  on proven terms , sun is reason that world exist and so it is far greater than any of humans (son/god man/god) ever born....since god being unproven entity...

                  it is strange since you can  believe in biggest paradox and contradiction and fail to reply to my post...never mind it is your opinion and you reserve right to have one...jesus had opinion , buddha had opinion , obama had opinion ...every one has opinion , nothing wrong in having one...happy preaching but remember it is YOUR OPINION and not truth which you preach...I have opinion and I may be wrong in it and so can you too be wrong...

            2. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              even atheists are indoctrinated. They did not invent these ideas, they adopted them. They read books and said, "oh yeah that makes sense" and they grafted these concepts into their way of thinking, perhaps they even became brainwashed by plato or euclides or Stephen Hawking.
              do i see a parallel here.... oh yes.

              1. literarychimp profile image60
                literarychimpposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "even atheists are indoctrinated". Umm, the leper tries to convince another man they are blemishes on his skin. Yet crucially you don't deny you are a lepur................Well, you seem to imply you are "indoctrinated".

                I'm free of your leprocy...........And Plato liked God, he probably had a hand in inventing him

                1. vector7 profile image60
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Yeah. Maybe you should notice his name doesn't come up..

                  Lot's of invented gods..

                  You can't invent a God that creates you. He was already there.

                  Oh yeah. He won't answer you though will He? I suppose you should repent and be nice to Him...

                  smile

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                Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                nope, I've never read any of those

                Indoctrination requires acceptance of what someone says without challenging it or subjecting it to critical thinking.

                I hear the same cliches for believing ad nauseum

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Nice to know you never did any research. Bailey you always have your nose in a book or a video and are always pointing to what other people do and literarychimp in order to say plato liked God you had to have read it. Not influenced? lol
                  Nice try though, i realize you are in the business of misinformation and need to perpetuate this line of thought as anything else would be detrimental to your current position of apostasy.

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                    AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    brotheryochanan,

                    Do you not comprehend the written word?  Bailey plainly stated that indoctrination requires acceptance of what someone says WITHOUT CHALLENGING IT OR SUBJECTING IT TO CRITICAL THINKING.

                    How like an apologist to drop the qualifying phrases that determine critical meaning in order to falsify the account.

                    Of course we are all influenced by what we learn and what others tell us - but some of us look deeply into the claims and make a judgment based on critical thinking, reason, and logic.

                    I fear that you have simply escaped from one delusion (I am a miserable sinner) into an equally fanciful delusion (I am a saved soul) without ever subjecting the beliefs being taught to you with anything but the judment of how good this belief made you feel, a totally subjective experience devoid of any real substance.

                    Religious feelings are like opium - the opium of the masses.  And you are well and truly hooked.

                  2. literarychimp profile image60
                    literarychimpposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Someone can read a book without getting "influenced".  I'm a philosophy major, of course I read him. Was i "influenced"? Not really. Come on now.

                    And anyway, there is a difference between influence and indoctrination.  Do you not think there is any difference between influence and indoctrination! So if you said "my mother influenced me" you would consider that identical to saying "my mother indoctrinated me". Eerrr!!

  15. OldSkoolFool profile image59
    OldSkoolFoolposted 6 years ago

    I can totally see this happening. The internet is the new religion. Now you can go to Google to ask for answers instead of whatever higher power you believe in.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago

    As per the original post, I don't really care if religion (as religions are defined anyway, by most people) DOES become extinct.   Because Faith in Christ will never become extinct.

  17. melpor profile image89
    melporposted 5 years ago

    I read about this a few days ago on CNN. It says organized religion will become extinct in 9 countries by 2050. I am not really surprised by those predictions. I observed this happening now.

    1. qwark profile image61
      qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Melp:
      There are what? About 185 - 190 nations on this planet?
      Christianity loses 9 in the next 35 or so yrs?
      Big deal!

      I'd like someone to give me some really logical reasons to think mankind will make it the next 100 yrs.

      I sure as hell can't visualize it.

      Qwark

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        AKA Winstonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        (I'd like someone to give me some really logical reasons to think mankind will make it the next 100 yrs)

        Quark,

        Because it is god's will.  There, feel better now?

        1. qwark profile image61
          qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          AKA:
          let me read my comment again.....
          Ah yes. I asked for a "really logical" reason.
          Now let me see, lets begin with god?
          What the heck is that?
          Once ya can define "it" for me (I didn't ask for proof...that'd be next) in a form other than "opinion," I might consider your comment as being credible enuf to discuss it with you.
          Until then I can only consider your response as an attempt to make a joke.
          I'm waiting.
          Qwark   smile:

        2. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You need a scripture son... You can't just go happy-diddly posting God said this and that..

          The Bible little buddy. I know, I know.. You don't like all the words.

          It'll pay off though. I promise..

          smile

    2. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "I read about this a few days ago on CNN. It says organized religion will become extinct in 9 countries by 2050. I am not really surprised by those predictions. I observed this happening now."



      They'll need to exterminate me first.

      Christ Jesus will not die out.. Careful what you say...

      John Lennon

      During an interview with an American magazine, John Lennon said, “Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue that. I am certain. Jesus was okay, but his subjects were too simple. Today, we are more famous than Him. (1966)

      Worked out huh?

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        Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        LOL
        Yeah, how'd that work out for Lennon?   And for all the atheists!   Humans come and go, but Jesus remains the same yesterday, today, and forever!  Amen.  smile

        1. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Lennon was shot down and murdered by a self-professed Christian. Feel better, now?

 
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