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Is Christianity a secret vampire cult?

  1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
    Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago

    At his last supper Jesus tells his followers that if they want to get to heaven they have to eat his flesh and drink his blood. The Catholic church tells us this is not a metaphor. When the host and wine are blessed they become the actual blood and flesh of Jesus.
    Jesus makes it clear that this is the case.

    Cannibals don't eat human flesh for food. They do it because they believe that the special attributes of the person they eat bits of will become their attributes.

    So obviously there is no difference between what cannibals do and what Christians do.

    1. spease profile image82
      speaseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The first sentence of your statement is incorrect, which makes the rest wrong.

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So you are not supposed to eat his flesh and drink his blood? Nice try.

        1. spease profile image82
          speaseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          He never said that you had to eat his flesh and drink his blood to get to heaven.

          1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
            Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Really? John 6

            52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

            53 Then Jesus said to them: "Amen, amen, I say unto you: unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 54 He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will raise him up in the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

            Have you heard of Transubstantiation? Transubstantiation  teaches that Christ is present in the Eucharist by the change of the entire substance of bread and wine into His Body and Blood.

            So try again.

            1. spease profile image82
              speaseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Flesh and blood at that time meant the whole person, to believe in him completely.  If was not meant to be taken literally. In verse 63 he explains what he means.

              The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But some of you do not believe me.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning which ones didn’t believe, and he knew who would betray him.) 65 Then he said, “That is why I said that people can’t come to me unless the Father gives them to me.”

              1. getitrite profile image81
                getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Of course, if it challenges the foundation of Christian beliefs, it is always not to be taken literally.  Seems like a cop-out.




                For the life of me, I just don't understand why Jesus would go through all the trouble of stating anything, if He already knows what's going to happen. 

                Please explain how you make sense of this.

              2. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
                Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No. The Catholics make it very clear it is not a metaphor. So I guess you are a heretic.

              3. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
                Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I think you are calling Jesus a liar. Read the words on the page. What do they say? It can not be any clearer.

              4. yolanda yvette profile image59
                yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Great answers.

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              Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              maybe you need to quote the rest, where the disciples are shocked and found it hard to digest?  And how Jesus said anyone who doesn't eat him doesn't see the kingdom of heaven.

              Seems Jesus did not mean for it to be a metaphor

              1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
                Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Nop. No way you can read that and assume it's a metaphor. Particularly after the last supper ritual. And, the Catholic Church insists it isn't and they say the bread and wine actually fully become the body and blood of Jesus.

                They just don't like the fact so again they apologize for it and say it means something else. Yet they do it anyway.

                They are cannibals AND heretics. lol....

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                  just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Perhaps, you've taken a scene from Angela's Ashes too literally. What's the problem? Why is what they think important?

                  1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
                    Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    What do you mean why is what they think important? I've never seen Angela's ashes so t'm not sure what you mean there either. There is no problem. Just stating facts and having fun. wink

                    Oh. If you mean why does what the Catholic Church thinks matter, it matters only in that it is the beginnings of the Church, and all others are breakaway heretical cults. 

                    But also, they are the original fundamentalists. They tend to have been literalists. But also they were/are fanatical about being "rational" about their theology. They do diligent research, and they tend to be honest to a fault. Their theology writers, I mean.  You should visit their web site.

                    If these passages were to have been interpreted in any other way they would have done it. There were great debates about it and many heresies that came from them, which were squashed until the reform.

                    Did you know that when the bread and wine are blessed, and crumbs left over are buried as if they were a body? The real body of Jesus.

                    There a story the priests around here tell about a house keeper who had been on the job long. She accidentally vacuumed up crumbs that were left when a priest was in too much hurry to clean them up right away. The priest came back and was horrified. They couldn't see a way to be sure they would get everything if they just buried the bag, so they buried the entire vacuum cleaner. That's how serious they are about it.

          2. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" (John 6:53)

            "Hoc corpus meus est."

            smile

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No doubt, brother! Can you say: Praise the lard!

    2. ewd76 profile image60
      ewd76posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      First of all, all Christians are not Catholic and all Catholics are not Christians, just as in any denomination.   So, while the Catholic Church is the most famous and powerful section of Believers, please do not continue to confuse the reality of this issue.

      Jesus does NOT make it clear that it's literal!  Matter of fact, just the opposite---He makes it clear that it's symbolic.
      The Catholic Church may say those Scriptures aren't metaphor, but indeed they are.  If Jesus had meant to literally drink his blood and eat His flesh, he would've literally offered the disciples his actual blood and a piece of His flesh instead of giving them a piece of bread.  If that were the case, one can imagine the disciples would've also went and drank His blood as He hung on the Cross, or some such nonsense.

      The communion wafer (which is used by both Catholics and other Christian groups) does not turn into the actual flesh of Christ.  It's symbolic, Spiritual.

      So, no, Christians aren't vampires or cannibals.  If the Catholic Church believes in the literal interpretation of those Scriptures, then THEY are inadvertently saying they're vampires or cannibals, though they THINK they're being Spiritual, but of course they deny that.

      1. Disturbia profile image59
        Disturbiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "all Catholics are not Christians"  So if they aren't Christians, what are they then?  Obviously you didn't go to Catholic school, cause if you did, you'd know that you can't be a Catholic without being a Christian.  They aren't vampires either. However, I will concede that a good number of priests are perverts.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe you took that wrong, and maybe I should've said "Not all Catholics are Christians".   Does that explain it better?


          People can be lots of things without really being a Christian!   There are some people who follow a religion instead of following Christ, in all denominations.

          Not all Christians follow the doctrine, including the rituals, of the Catholic Church.

          1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
            Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Catholics are the ONLY Christians, dear. The rest are dirty heretical cults. wink

        2. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          @Disturbia

          It is you that are not a Christian. You are a heretic. I suggest you go to the nearest Catholic Church and repent your sins, or you will end up in hell. Who the hell do you think you are saying Catholics are not Christian? Were it not for the UNIVERSAL Church your heresy wouldn't even be possible. Get behind me, Satan! And wash out your filthy mouth!

      2. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Heresy!!!!!

      3. DoubleScorpion profile image88
        DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        According to the bible...Jesus turn water into wine...So why couldn't he turn bread into flesh and wine into blood?

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And if you have already done two impossible things to day, why not make it three and spend he evening at Millyways, the restaurant at the end of the universe? wink

          1. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Couldn't eat another bite, still stuffed from my visit to "The Big Bang Burger Bar"

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well if you stay at Millyways long enough you get to see that too. wink But I hear the Burgers are out of this world at the The Big Bang Burger Bar. I'll have to pay it a visit. wink

          2. DoubleScorpion profile image88
            DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I wonder if I could get an invite..LOL

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sure. According to Adams you just need to put a couple dollars in the bank now, go forward in time to the end of the universe, and by then you will have amassed enough money to pay the fair and the entrance fee.

              We'll see you there in about an hour? Drinks on me. wink

      4. Woman Of Courage profile image60
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Brenda, You made a point. I don't see any scriptures listed on this forum stating that Jesus cut a piece of his flesh for his disciples to eat, and poured them his blood from his flesh to drink. This forum was posted to ridicule christians. God bless you. smile

        1. yolanda yvette profile image59
          yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Great comments.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The Christians need to reform; this tradition is not from Jesus.

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The bible says it is.

    5. ewd76 profile image60
      ewd76posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's obviously a metaphor.

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No it isn't. It's obvious you don't like what it says.

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      Shazam44posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Slarty!!  I think you're onto something here.  Let's just go with it a little and see what happens.  I know I'm ready!

      As I recall, vampires live forever, unless they get a stake through the heart.  Let's assume for this chat they do live forever and are not walking into stakes right at chest level.  So, their drinking of the blood of others feeds their eternal lives.  Cool!

      Now, you're talking about Jesus saying in John chapter six that we need to eat His flesh and drink His blood.  Gotcha, I'm tracking with you.  And He says in that passage whoever eats His flesh and drinks His blood will have eternal life.  That means that Christians also will live forever.  COOL!!!!

      But wait.  Oops.  I haven't ever seen or heard of anyone that lived over about 115 or maybe 120 years (or over 900 years tops, if we are going to count Methuselah- but still, even he eventually died).  Whoa, whoa, whoa.   Something is wrong here.  Nobody is living forever. Bummer.

      IF indeed Christians have been drinking literally the blood of Christ, then they should, since we are taking things literally, LIVE FOREVER.  LITERALLY, physically.  But they don't!!  Boo hoo.  What is going on here then?

      Maybe, just MAYBE, Jesus wasn't speaking literally of physical flesh and blood.  Whaddya think?  Maybe He was speaking of another kind of partaking....spiritual rather than physical?  I mean, Jesus goes on to say in the verses after the passage you mention that the manna which the Jewish ancestors ate didn't let them live forever.  But then Jesus speaks of Himself as the bread which WILL let you live forever if you eat it. So maybe He was also speaking of another kind of living forever.  Hmmm....

      So, either we Christians are partaking spiritually, or it is indeed physical and since we aren't living physically forever then Jesus was lying.  Well, you'll have to be the one to call Jesus a liar to His face, I am not going to do it.  I hope soon for your sake that you will understand what this passage of the Bible means.  Really I do.

      Oh, by the way, if it really is blood, how can we make sense of these verses, which have to do with the original post you made, concerning the last supper?

      Matthew 26:
      27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

      First He says blood, then He says, very clearly, literally, THIS FRUIT OF THE VINE.  That sounds like squished grapes to me, not blood.  Again, hmmm....

      Maybe it is time for you to ask Jesus Himself what He meant.  He will always answer a sincere seeker.  But you cannot speak for Him and decide what His answers are, you must allow Him to speak for Himself.

      Cheers!

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No. He said clearly you would live forever after you die if you eat him. Vampires die before they come back as immortals. Same thing. wink

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          Shazam44posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hey there Slarty, you keep on preaching those Bible truths!!  I admit the vampire angle is a bit unorthodox, but hey, let's go with it.

          You are so insightful about the Christian life for someone so hostile to it!  You are amazing!  It is indeed true, as Christians, we are called to die to ourselves, take up our cross, and follow Jesus!   And it is true, as I said before, that we will live again after we die!  And yes, just as you said, we Christians will be immortal, our souls will gain new perfect bodies, not like the ones destined to die in this life like yours and mine. Wow, such good stuff to support what the Bible says!  And who would have thought it would come from the keyboard of someone just trying to get attention with a shock title?    Cool!  I love the Bible, and I love thinking about all that God has done for us by giving us Jesus.  You have brought to light many Bible truths.  Thanks!         

          Let me recap for you:
          For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believes in Him shall not die, but have everlasting life.


          Cheers!

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            Shazam44posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Just had to add that I think it is so cool that you are so close to becoming a Christian, because I know you would not be so obsessed with Jesus' teachings unless you were searching for the truth.  Keep on reading your Bible!!

            Cheers!

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I left the Catholic church when I was 6. But like I told someone else today, you should be very happy that I am an atheist. I would likely bring back the inquisition to root out all the heretics.

              The idea that I am obsessed with Jesus is interesting but incorrect. I'm more interested in exposing the irrationality of Christianity in particular, but have I enjoy taking on religion in general.

              It has become an interest and a hobby that stems from my own search over 50 years or so. I also love ancient history of all kinds.

              Are you here perhaps because you have doubts? A well grounded Christian just doesn't hang around these places do they? Testing your faith perhaps?

              I'm here for you. Ready to tell it like it is. wink  I can arrange a series of them for you if you like. Are you up to it? Don't be surprised if your perspective changes, eh? lol...

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      CollBposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No definitely not.  The 'body and blood' of Christ is a symbolic meaning signifying the love of Christ for the world that he sacrificed his life for us.  Thus by taking the Holy Communion, we accept Christ into our lives and his love for us.  For Christians, this sacrifice was made not to encourage others to do the same but to love one another as Christ had done whilst he was living and continue to do through the remembrance we have for his Act of Love for us.

      I have never heard Christianity being likened to a vampire cult before and this question did startle me into wondering how that assumption was made!

  2. akuigla profile image60
    akuiglaposted 6 years ago

    Oh boy, youve discovered our secret.
    Now we dont have a choice but to come to your home and suck all of your blood while you are aslep!
    Make sure you dont eat garlic for the next three days,because we,the christians vampire,dont like it!

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not worried. You seem to only eat Jesus  I suspect that's why there was no body in the tomb.  His apostles ate him.  wink

  3. pisean282311 profile image58
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    even if jesus said that how does it make vampire cult?

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      cannibals only eat flesh. You drink blood. wink

      1. pisean282311 profile image58
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Easy...i am not christian smile

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ok. Sorry. lol.... Didn't mean to insult you.   Let me amend that to: cannibals only eat flesh. Christians drink blood. Better? wink

          1. pisean282311 profile image58
            pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            what i am trying to figure out is why do you think Christians are vampire cult when you don't see Christians eating flesh or drinking blood?..what are you trying to say was my question ...

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Again, the title was shock value to draw an audience. But the subject matter is real. Christians do eat bits of their god, which is what ritual cannibalism is all about. But they do drink the god's blood as well in the form of blessed wine. And they do it to have immortality, which is the same thing vampires supposedly do. Hence the title.

              1. pisean282311 profile image58
                pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                ok...i got that...thank you...

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    just_curiousposted 6 years ago

    lol

    Come on Slarty. Yes. You must be right. The truth is out. It's why Christians can't leave the cult. They'd burn in the light. They can't digest real food. It's blood that sustains them. And, oh my gosh, the number of italian restaurants in America? Think of the garlic. A Christian couldn't go anywhere. Not to mention the mirrors. Everyone would immediately know they were Christian. The laws would have to change so everyone not christian could openly carry wooden stakes.

    So many problems with changing the world. You should probably leave them in peace to drink the symbolic blood and eat the symbolic flesh. Because, really,  think about the alternative. If you take it away they'll start stalking the night and preying on the rest of us. smile

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Obviously the title was for shock value. wink But you should consider writing a story along those lines, it sounds like it would be fun.

      I just feel that the similarity between ritualistic cannibalism, and the Eucharist ritual is too close to be ignored.  Though most people are shocked and disgusted by ritual cannibalism they think eating Jesus flesh and drinking his blood is wonderful.

      But they are doing nothing at all different from what cannibalistic tribes do/did. They are both taking in the other or the object of their desire. For tribes it is usually an attribute like long life, running fast, being a great statesmen, being a great warrior, etc.

      Native tribes eat animals in the same way. Eat a bear and gain it's strength, etc.

      For the Christians it is the promise of ever lasting life. They are eating their god to gain immortality.

      But the twist is they also drink his blood for the same reasons, because to them it is life. Cannibals don't generally do that. It's a practice reserved for vampires, for the very same reason. lol....

      I could go on about the ritualistic slaughter of Jesus, etc... but you get the point. The religion is barbaric, superstitious, and crazy.

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        just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Slarty, you know I've got some wierd relatives and they are fond of pointing out how heathen asl other christian are with their rituals. I always figured the interesting thing about the church'shistory was how it took pagan practices and wove them into the tapestry of their belief. Halloween, Christmas, etc.

        I never thought about the wine and bread. I guess it is gross when you put it in that perspective. I like my reaction to your title better than yours. I don't fight the urge to barf.

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I used to just block out the weird & contradictory things.  Surprised you still believe after realising the bible can't be taken literally and all the pagan rituals etc

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            just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The assumptions of what others believe, or don't, amuse me here at times. I simply believe it is counter productive to develop the  emotional need to bash others over ridiculous points. smile

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Of course, when one does little more than offer and defend ridiculous beliefs, they obviously believe it counter productive to criticize and question them. smile

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                just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Patently untrue. smile

                Oh. And my comment, about the emotional need to bash (in the previous post) goes for other people too. Not just that first post.

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              Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              how is my post bashing?

              1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
                Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I think she was talking about me. wink

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                  just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No. I wasn't talking to you. Or anyone in particular I guess.

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                just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I didn't suppose it was, on some levels. I apologize if that sounded harsh. I'm slowly coming to see the angle some are coming from here. I'll be honest, I am uncomfortable with it. I'm glad I heard it all. It's been good for me. But most of the people posting religion here are perfectly happy with their delusion, or whatever you want to callet it. I just honestly would prefer to be happy without it. I don't want to reach the point where I come off as fretted about the perpetual lie. There's really nothing you can do to change their minds, unless they're hoping someone can present a good argument to change them.

                The funny thing is, when I came here and saw a religious forum I thought, 'cool I hate church and here's some place to talk religion.' This whole experience has shown me what I already knew.  I haven't believed in it in a long time. I was just mouthing empty words.it's quite sad, really

                1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  There probably are forums where one can have good meaningful discussions without the hysteria of these types of forums. But usually they cater to a particular group, and don't put up with intruders.

                  I have yet to see a forum that is open to everyone that is not a battle ground.

                  I don't think it's sad at all. We all have to discover our own way. You were never wasting your time. You were figuring it all out for yourself. How can you expect to come to a particular conclusion until you come to that conclusion?

                  To get over there you always have to start from here. Life is just a constant learning experience. Embrace change. It's the only constant.

                  For me these forms are home. I love the battle ground of the mind. Because thats what these places are like. You don't see anyone, so you almost talking mind to mind. 

                  I would hate to see you not come to them. You are a good writer and  a good influence here.

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                    just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, I'm a terrible influence. But I'm only sad right now. I was laughing about out this afternoon. I got an email from corporate, saying to send information about anything interesting going on in my life for their monthly newsletter. I rolled on the floor laughing at what they'd say if I told them. I'll find something to laugh at tomorrow.

                    It's life. Change is good as long as you're learning. smile

        2. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Your relatives are right, of course. But they are just as crazy and don't know it.
          You might be interested in a few hubs I did if you are interested in historical influences on Christianity. I did three, but the ones you might be interested in are: A brief history of the NT and The rise and fall of Christianity. The picture of Sol/Apollo is where Jesus gets his halo. wink

          The bread and wine thing is gross. But you can put it into perspective if you see ritual cannibalism for what it is/was.

          It's funny, but one of my main discoveries of life is that we are always trying to make things an actual part of ourselves. That's what love is, in fact. Ritual cannibalism and the Eucharist are just variations on that pattern.

          Yes. Life is stranger than fiction. wink

  5. Onusonus profile image87
    Onusonusposted 6 years ago

    The word Transubstantiation does not exist in the Bible. To partake of the sacrament is to be in obedience to the command of Jesus Christ and to allow members of his church the opportunity to demonstrate their willingness to remember his atoning sacrifice. It is also a renewal of the covenants one has made at baptism with the promise that we always remember him, and keep his comandments so that his spirit will always be with us.

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A lot of words are not in the bible. It's the name of a concept. The concept that the wine and bread become the actual body and blood of Christ.

      The bible says what it says. Don't try to change it because you don't like it.

  6. superwags profile image80
    superwagsposted 6 years ago

    Can I just say that this is the best question I've ever seen asked on here. I just spat my tea onto my keyboard!

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you. But I"m not buying you a new keyboard. wink

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    SirDentposted 6 years ago

    Only going to write this once. 

    The blood is life.  We must drink life in order to live.  Christ is the way the truth and the life.  We must drink Christ because He is the life.

    Jesus is the Word which was with God and was God in the beginning.  We must eat the Word for nourishment which is the Word of God and the flesh of Christ.

    Mat 7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    1. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's what vampires would do.



      That's what cannibals would do.

      smile

    2. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have a perplexing question:  Why doesn't the bible just say this?  I wish the bible would just be clearer, but then I guess there would be no need for the bible-study industry.

      And who are the dogs and swine that is referred to in the verse?

    3. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Then I will only post this twice.


      53 Then Jesus said to them: "Amen, amen, I say unto you: unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 54 He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will raise him up in the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

      Jesus does not agree with you, heretic. wink

  8. Woman Of Courage profile image60
    Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago

    To eat of Jesus flesh means to eat of the word. To drink his blood means to recieve. Jesus word are spirit and life. It is spiritual teaching. Jesus referred to himself as the bread of life. It is best to understand this passage in light of coming to Jesus, in faith, for salvation. When we recieve him as Savior, placing our full faith in him, we are consuming his flesh and drinking his blood. Jesus body was broken at his death and his blood was shed to provide for our salvation. 1Corinthians 11:7,"For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes."

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well in point of fact it has many meanings. Four book deal with it in different ways. But John is clear. Are you calling John and Jesus liars? Really?

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image60
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Slarty, I respectfully disagree. It has only one meaning which is a spiritual meaning. "Jesus words is spirit and life." Some are viewing it in different ways because their spiritual eyes are closed. I will not waste time answering your question after explaining above what the passage mean. I know that christians are not vampires, so I am not offended when you and others label us as one. Have a good day.

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well. The problem is it is in black and white. It says what it says. I suggest you are interpreting the way you do  because you don't like what it says.

          1. Woman Of Courage profile image60
            Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Your suggestion is an assumption. I have no problem at all with the spritual true meaning of the passage. I love the bible and I love you. smile

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I love you too. It doesn't mean you are reading the passage as written. wink

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          even if it is not to be taken literally (as it seems to be in this passage), and is a 'spiritual' metaphor, it's a gory one

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ...consuming his flesh & drinking his blood....that sounds so cannabalistic

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I see zero difference.

      2. Woman Of Courage profile image60
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Bailey, It sounds cannabalistic to people who love to jump to their own false interpretations.

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It's you who are interpreting it. Read the text. Why are you calling Jesus a liar? It astounds me.

    3. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And, of course, no matter how ridiculous this sounds, you will blindly believe it isn't a pagan, ritualistic cult practice, just because you would rationalize anything if your leaders told you that God sed it.

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image60
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't recieve from leaders if their words are not lining up with the word of God. You are making false assumptions of me. My faith is not a cult practice. I will leave you to argue with yourself. I love you.

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        Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I wrote a hub about a christian off-shoot cult that took the verses in the bible about being the bride of christ to mean imagining they were having sex with him

        1. getitrite profile image81
          getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That's laughable, but believers are always willing to believe and follow anything that their charlatan leaders command them to believe. lol

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            Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            even more laughable was they would shout in tongues during orgasm!

  9. dutchman1951 profile image61
    dutchman1951posted 6 years ago

    If it is not a Vampire cult, it has missed a perfect chance!

    it has been sucking the life out of the masses for years!!!!!

    smile

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    Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago

    Vampire cult maybe, but I don't see how we're so secret about it. wink

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      wink

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    violalandersposted 6 years ago

    A BIG NO!...It's just their own way on remembering Jesus and how He forgives and cleans people's sins.

  12. secularist10 profile image88
    secularist10posted 6 years ago

    I'm starting to lose track of which Biblical stories and passages are "metaphorical" and which are "literal."

    And where does the metaphor end? Maybe the interpretation of the metaphor is ITSELF a metaphor! Oh boy, talk about a can of worms...

    Why can't God just tell it like it is? He was pretty politically incorrect back in the Old Testament, so why can't he just be straight with everybody? What's his game? What is he hiding?

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      and how can people tell if it's meant to be a metaphor?  Talking in puzzles to just confuses people

    2. Rwritings profile image60
      Rwritingsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God is God.  He created the Universe, therefore He can make the rules.
      "Who has directed the Spirit of the Lord, Or as His counselor has informed Him?  With whom did He consult and who gave Him understanding?  And who taught Him knowledge, And informed Him of the way of understanding?"  Isaiah 40:14,15

      1. secularist10 profile image88
        secularist10posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Of course he can make the rules. I never said that he couldn't. But that doesn't answer my question. WHY does he muddy his supposedly divine message? Just to screw with people? What is his game?

        1. Rwritings profile image60
          Rwritingsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I did not say you said he can not make the rules.  It's just that we can not put human emotions on God. God is not a human being.   He reveals what He wants to by His Holy Spirit.  I don't know everything there is about God myself.  No human does.  I guess God likes to give us mysteries to make life interesting and to urge us to seek after Him.

          Thank you for your post.  I wish you well.

          1. secularist10 profile image88
            secularist10posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It seems pretty silly to devote one's entire life to something so uncertain and poorly understood, doesn't it?

            "I guess God likes to give us mysteries to make life interesting and to urge us to seek after Him."

            Few rational or sane people are "urged" to seek after something that doesn't make any sense.

            If I told you "Everything you believe is wrong. I have the truth... the truth is in the walnut." Would you be urged to seek after this walnut truth of mine? Or would you be simply momentarily entertained by my silly claims?

            1. Rwritings profile image60
              Rwritingsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry to bash your assumptions but I do not sit around contempating my navel!  I do have a life. I am a business owner and contrary to the stereotypical assumptions by some Atheist about Christians or others that believe in a Higher Power I'm not some backward  toothless uneducated hic.  I have a BA in Business Administration with a major in Marketing.
              What you want or do not want to believe is up to you.  I just state what I believe and I am not hostile to those who have different opinions than I do. So secularist10, why the hostility?   Did I scoff at you?  I don't think so!


              Why do some Atheist have to feel that they have to "proove" their point instead of accepting the fact that others may disagree with them.   Sometimes when people are not so certain about what they believe they get down right hostile when confronted with a different viewpoint  because hey feel a lost of controll in their lives.

              And yes, I do wish you well and I thank you for your comments.  Being tolerant does not mean you have to agree.

      2. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Your god does not run anything in my life thankfully.

        1. yolanda yvette profile image59
          yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          He ALLOWS you to take every breath, sir.  Sounds to me like He runs plenty in your life.

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            "He" is a figment of your imagination sir. lol

            1. yolanda yvette profile image59
              yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Interesting that when you have no real comeback, you show off your maturity.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I don't relate to your opinion of me, it is none of my business.
                If you would like a comeback I suggest you watch the whole series of Lawrence Krauss's lectures to his peers. Never heard of him? How about reading "The hedonistic imperative" or study the bible fully as I have.

                1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                  yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You should 'fully' do another study of the Bible.

                  1. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No thank you! I wasted 2 years of my life the last time. If you want to argue about what I know about the bible, bring it on, I know the bible very well and would be happy to discuss it.

  13. yolanda yvette profile image59
    yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago

    Christianity is not a secret vampire cult, nor any other kind of cult.

    1. Woman Of Courage profile image60
      Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yolanda, Agreed. Christianity is having fellowship with God. Christianity is about believing that Christ died for on the cross as payment for our sins and rose again. No matter how hard one try, they can never put down Christianity.

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        smile

      2. secularist10 profile image88
        secularist10posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Call me dense, but I don't quite get this:

        "Christianity is about believing that Christ died for on the cross as payment for our sins and rose again."

        So Christ's death is payment for our sins. Payment to whom?

        Christianity sees Christ as the sacrifice for the sins of humans, in the same mold as animals were sacrificed to nullify sins in the Old Testament. To whom were the animals sacrificed? To God, of course. Ok, so then Christ is a sacrifice to God for humanity's sins. But wait... I thought Christ was God? So is God paying himself? With himself? That would be quite a logical bind. Seems kind of strange.

        If so, why would God need to pay himself? Isn't he God? He surely doesn't need or want anything, right? Because if he did, then he wouldn't be perfect, and if he's not perfect, he can't be God.

        And anyway, Christ's death is payment for our sins. In the OT, animals were sacrificed because, among other reasons, animals had value to people. But what value does Christ's life have to people? Sure, he was a nice guy, but there are a lot of nice guys in the world. How come none of them gets to be counted as a "sacrifice" when they're killed?

        And so on, and so on... lol

  14. Rwritings profile image60
    Rwritingsposted 6 years ago

    Would you even dare ask a similiar question about the Muslim faith or bring up the possibility of them practicing cannabalism?   I doubt it. Some Iman would probably start a fatwa against you if you did!

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Nah! All the threat I have had were made by bible bashers. I gave the quoran the biggest serve in one of my hubs. Don't bother looking for it, you won't even like the title, and it's buried at the end of my hublist. smile

      1. Rwritings profile image60
        Rwritingsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So earnestshub, what "death threats" have you received from Christians?  I don't wish you ill!   Haven't you noticed the violent reactions when Mohammad is depicted by a cartoonist in an unflattering way or when a rumor is spread that someone tried to flush the Quoran down the toilet?     What my point was is that many people are afraid to say boo when it comes to Islam because they fear the reaction but they don't think about making libelist claims about Christianity because that is considered "Politically Correct"--there are no violent consequences for doing do.
        I will check your hublist you have peeked my curiosity!

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Islam is going through the same evolution Christianity did about 500 years ago. Back then, if you said "boo" about Christianity, you'd be burned at the stake, or some other medieval torturous death. smile

    2. secularist10 profile image88
      secularist10posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Iman? The supermodel? Gee, I didn't know she was that passionate about cannibalism or the Muslim faith.

      Well, if this was 200 or 300 years ago, then yes, probably there would be a real physical threat posed by certain Christians.

      But because Christians have become secularized in the last few centuries, they have become more docile.

  15. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Yep ! is it kinda like that.  Religion and a faith in GOD  ain't the same thing!   


        I wish Atheist and Theist wouldn't keep forgeting that

  16. PlanksandNails profile image89
    PlanksandNailsposted 6 years ago

    It is both yes and no. It's a relative question.

  17. optimus grimlock profile image60
    optimus grimlockposted 6 years ago

    are you kidding me,who let out the secret. I've been alive for 3000 years and since the age of 15 I havent told a single soul. MAN UP!!!! who did it you'll for the consequences!!!!!!!! lmao

  18. Mike R Thomas profile image61
    Mike R Thomasposted 20 months ago

    I have one piece of input on this subject. I strongly suggest the authors of these posts read the book "the Celestine Prophesy" It might explain a lot about this whole discussion, especially the 4th insight.

  19. Mike R Thomas profile image61
    Mike R Thomasposted 20 months ago

    incidentally, Lets just say hypothetically the points of the Fundamentalist's posts, are true, and It is all Metaphors. It still occurs to me to be a bit of a graphic or grotesque pictorial image to use, even to get that point across??? and just seems to be very ironic that it does resemble so closely vampirism. just seems disconcerting to me from the "son of the God of love"???

 
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