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Shall we assume like Satan is a part of GOD?

  1. mobilemaniac profile image58
    mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago

    In other words the one(Satan/Devil) who can plan things only according to or with God.Without God Satan him/it self cant exist.
    Take all examples from Bible.God allows all temptations to human.If he truly wants to avoid that he should have given human some extra power.Isn't it??Case of Adam and eve,Judas' case all support this theory

    1. AEvans profile image70
      AEvansposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God does not make us tempt ourselves, we has humans make our own choices. We know right from wrong and as for Satan he was a fallen angel of God so without God he would not exist;therefore since I believe in God he does exist.

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        CollBposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I've read the Bible since as a child and what I've come to realise is that Satan/the Devil is mentioned along with evil and the 6 other deadly sins.  Without understanding what evil and Satan is, we cannot see the goodness of God and his creation as we need comparisons to grasp that concept of Good (over Evil), Love over Hate, Peace over War, God empowering Satan and victory over evil.

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          just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nice post, but the last statement seems odd. If god empowers satan, then good triumphs over evil, it sounds like a game with loaded dice. Why bother playing the game if you empower something just to defeat it? Of course you're going to ensure however you empower your adversary he's weaker than you. It doesn't prove any valuable point.

          1. yolanda yvette profile image60
            yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Good does triumph over evil because God IS triumphant over the devil.  It's NOT A GAME.  He (God) did not empower satan just to defeat him, he created Lucifer (who is now satan) to be with him eternally.  The fact that God overpowers satan and lords it over Him cannot be helped, for God is the Creator and none of His creation can ever out-power Him.

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              just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I didn't say it was a game. I said it sounded like a game with loaded dice. Now it sounds even more bizarre by your description. He creates an adversary to fight, making him in such a way that he can best him. Then, once the inevitable happens, he lords it over him? That's your theory?

              If god is the creator and none of his creation can beat him; what, exactly, is the point? This makes no sense. Unless you're saying it's a game Satan is in on, already knows the outcome and is simply playing along to teach a moral lesson?

              1. yolanda yvette profile image60
                yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I answered you in my previous post.  Make of that whatever you will.

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                  just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I was simply attempting to understand your statement. I am left to assume you meant what you said, exactly as you said it. I still find it odd.

                  1. yolanda yvette profile image60
                    yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You have the right to find it odd.

            2. mobilemaniac profile image58
              mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yolanda try to understand  what i meant.Do you think God was aware that lucifer(first angel) will betray him?your answer make me that sense.If so you are saying like you are Contradicting your own statement -God make victory over all-Because he is the super power who knows every thing.If he was unaware about what is going to happen next like after creation of Adam n Eve,after creation of Lucifer-How can we say like he is Super power who knows everything?

          2. mobilemaniac profile image58
            mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ya that is a nice concept -playing a game just to defeat one whom he only created.but in that way first statement-Satan is a part of God? comes true.Isnt it?

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              just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I guess her theory would support your statement. I don't know. I don't think I ever believed in Satan. It never made much sense. If heaven were perfect then why would an angel leave? You'd assume he knew his god  had created him and that god was all powerful. It doesn't seem like an intelligent move to make to buck a system whose end is predetermined.

              1. mobilemaniac profile image58
                mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                hi nice answer

        2. jamterrell profile image60
          jamterrellposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I like your post.smile

      2. yolanda yvette profile image60
        yolanda yvetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Great answer.

      3. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The bible says both. Which is why it is so contradictory. It tells us god does not tempt man kind and it tells us he does.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No, "we" shall not assume Satan's a part of God.

      1. mobilemaniac profile image58
        mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        please comment your theories Brenda

    3. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The simple answer...Any object that has a creator is part of that creator.

      Is a Picasso Painting called anything but a Picasso?

      So, we are left with two options. One, satan was created by god and therefore is a part of god, which leads to the conclusion that god is both "good" and "evil". Or two, satan always was, just as god always was, which leads to the conclusion that there are in fact two gods, one "good" and one "evil"

      1. mobilemaniac profile image58
        mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If we are supporting the second theory one can't say as god is super power  then they seems as are parallel forces.Usually all believers who believes in Lord likes to believe  eventually he can defeat Satan.In that case again it suport that God made everythih including Satan.So first  theory is better.

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
          DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It is impossible for god to defeat satan. (good defeats evil). If evil is defeated and is no more, then the only thing left is "heaven". If all evil is gone; there is no hell, there is no sin, and everyone by default will go to heaven.

          In the Book of Revelations, it is said that satan would be bound 1000 years and then released for a short time to rule and gather his armies. This would mean, that there is going to be a period of time, prior to the "return of christ" when satan will not be around to "corrupt/tempt" any souls.

          There is only one way for this event to occur, god has to allow it. This means that god will allow evil to rule the earth. If you read Revelations carefully, you will notice that the believers are still on earth.

          1. mobilemaniac profile image58
            mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ya that is exactly what i meant

            1. vector7 profile image61
              vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You think evil is normal???

              lol


              smile

              1. mobilemaniac profile image58
                mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                i didnt mention like that.Evil is not normal.But i said we cant blame Satan for that.

                1. vector7 profile image61
                  vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No, but Satan is responsible for tempting people.

                  We are responsible for listening to the crap he tempts us with.

                  Just as the perverse person that persuades the child to do something wrong such as hit other children is guilty of doing so.

                  The child was confused by the adult that offered an idea that would bring pain to another child. The child didn't understand at first the effects of his actions.

                  But the child becomes responsible if he comes to understand it brings pain and continues to do the evil deed.

                  This is why forgiveness is given by God. We are all children and no one is alike. We all perceive things differently through different circumstances.

                  smile

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                    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Incorrect, "Satan" (note the cap S) is NOT responsible, because "It" does not exist.

                    According to the Teacher: "Men are tempted by the thoughts in them and the desire of those thoughts (flesh/the corruptible)."

                    James

              2. DoubleScorpion profile image86
                DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You don't? Do you watch the news because it is all about flowers, sugars and spice and everything nice? Or, do you watch it because of the carnage and you are interested in what is negatively happening around the world. "Good and evil" is a normal part of our everyday world. Now, the moral implications of "good and evil" that is a different matter all together.

                1. mobilemaniac profile image58
                  mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Eventhough  one saying some news very unortunate , i think there is one part in us which like that.Isnt it??We are tryig to enjoy  unconsciously because we know normally it is  not a good thing-a matter of Good vs evil which-what is good and what is evil-that deep rooted concept-exists in all of us sure.So consciously we cant enjoy that.But for that either we are coming to  unconscious mind directly or try to create such a situation by any stimulation luke drug/alcohol etc.

                  1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
                    DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    If evil wasn't the norm, there would be no need for police. Just because a person is morally opposed to evil, doesn't mean that it isn't a normal part of our daily lives. If evil wasn't the norm, then there would be no sin. And those who claim we sin everyday would be wrong. Being evil and living among evil things is two different things.

    4. dsiant profile image60
      dsiantposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Mobilemaniac,
      Lets get things right here once and for all
      All man are BEFORE GOD,  and nothing else, Just this, DO NOT TRY TO REINVENT the wheel, just make sure we as human beings, just make sure that we are honest to god good and make sure that we are all in the best of health.

      1. mobilemaniac profile image58
        mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hey iam not saying about our honesty towards God.I also support you regarding that.But the question is the other part is a completely -well planned game?/

    5. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Satan is a Christian invention. Probably to do with the fact that the Romans were sun worshipers. All sun worshiping religions see light as good and darkness as evil. The fight between the sun and the dark is an eternal struggle for dominance.

      For those of you who don't know your history, Satan in the Jewish texts is god's right hand. To the Jews he was the accuser. Jewish scholars see him in Job as representing gods doubt. There is nowhere in the OT or any cannon that tells of a fallen angel. It is in a text neither the Jews or Christians recognize as part of their bibles. But the story survives and you all assume it is in there somewhere. Show me in the OT where there is evidence of a war in heaven between satan and god. It isn't there. Or of how satan was thrown out of heaven. It's not in there.

      So basically modern christians have taken a non-biblical reference as if it is biblical.

      Ever wonder where Jesus get's his halo? It's from being crossed with Sol by Constantine even after he converted Rome to Christianity. He believed in Sol and Mithra, two sun gods. He made Sunday a holiday, not for the Christians sabbath, for the SUN'S day. He wrote an edict which compelled christian and sun worshiper alike to celibate Sol. He made Jesus birthday the same as Sol's birthday.

      So Christians are sun worshipers who don't know it, but have taken on the sun worshipers idea of light vs darkness as part of their religion.

      It's really a shame Christians don't know their own history and don't care.

      1. Disappearinghead profile image88
        Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Very well said.

        I'm currently reading up on Jewish theology and what an eye opener it is. So much Christian doctrine on satan, hell, fall of man, just crumbles away.

        The church has abandoned 4000 years of Jewish thought and theology in favour of pagan belief systems and superstition.

        What we should have got was:
        Christianity = Judaism - the Mosaic law + Christ fulfilling the law.
        But what we got was:
        Christianity = a smooth blend of Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Greco roman paganism.

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
          DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Religious History. I find it really interesting. It is amazing the things you can find out, if you only take the time to research your past.

        2. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Good for you. And when you finish that, you might want to also look into the influences the Babylonians and Sumerians had on Judaism. There is no pure religion. All of them are influenced by and crossed with other religions and philosophies. I love history.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Human societies do get influenced by one another; we live in the same planet and we have to co-exist here peacefully.

            Another reason of similarities in religions is being all of them in origin from ONE-TRUE-GOD; so naturally the similarities.

            The difference happens due to the time factor; to err is human; so they tend to forget the original message; then the Creator-God reveals the message again to a messenger prophet; out of His mercy for benefit of the human beings.
            This is how human society improves or evolves ethically, morally and sipiritually.

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I agree. But I wouldn't say it is because of one true god. It is because we all share the same reality. We just interpret it differently. We are all human so we share needs and desires. We share one nature, and to me that nature is what others call god.

              But I agree with the pattern you outlined. Just not the interpretation of it.

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                We all share the same reality as the reality is ONE-TRue-God or it is from Him; otherwise it would have been all chaos.

                1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I disagree. Nature is order due to cause and effect. No god required.

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Cause and effect work together only as the Creator-God has set them in motion; otherwise they need not exist.

                2. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh yes. Have you ever studied chaos? Chaos breeds order. Look up spin-glass. Conflict always produces a new order. Why? Because conflict always demands a resolution. Wars can not last forever because resources run out. When that happens, a resolution is found. Either a direct win by side or he other, a deal, or a stalemate. A new order always arises from conflict.

                  And why is that? It is due to the laws of conservation. All atoms and thereby all things tend toward reaching their lowest possible levels of energy output.

                  Energy can not be CREATED and it can not be destroyed. Therefore no conscious super being is required.

              2. mobilemaniac profile image58
                mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                hi reality is God means -the power-we can call it by any name.

                1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I think or it as the process of existence.

        3. mobilemaniac profile image58
          mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          nice theories : )

          1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
            Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Science facts! wink

      2. mobilemaniac profile image58
        mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hi Starty,
        nice post.even the concept of God as light is also man made.because basically human fear darkness so when they first found fire they started worship it as God.Ahey satrted worship sun also

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you. You are correct.

    6. Moonchild60 profile image84
      Moonchild60posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Who ever said God could not exist without Satan? Is it in a book MEN wrote and are we somehow obligated to believe these men? Odd...

      1. mobilemaniac profile image58
        mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God could not exist without Satan.that is a tricky question .Think deeply about that.Any one can understand.Imagine a world full of love.No we cant think about that(At that time there wont be the word love : ) if only one feeling is there we cant call it as love).(Assumption here is that Satan stands for all bad things cool

        1. Moonchild60 profile image84
          Moonchild60posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There is balance.  Good and evil.  Happy and sad.  Rich and poor.  Up and Down. In and Out.  High and Low.  Shallow and Deep.  On and on it goes... Satan is made up.  Made up to frighten.  Just like the "God will punish you" nonsense.  Yes, there cannot be good without evil.  But man is evil all on his own, he doesn't need someone else to blame it on.  Evil is in our nature just as good is.  God gave us free will to choose between the two.  You want to talk about an all knowing, loving entity, fine.  But he doesn't require an adversary.

          1. mobilemaniac profile image58
            mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            nice post.Your theories are good regarding those balace.But i cant agree if you saying man is evil on his own.There is also a  balance or there should be.How can we exclude only man from that theory-Even if he is doing something evil i think in the next moment he can think of a divine thing.right moonchild? smile

            1. Moonchild60 profile image84
              Moonchild60posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, man can do something horrible and in the next breath something sweet and wonderful. Both men and women are capable of the miraculous switch in a heart beat.  Most of us however, prefer not to, or were raised a certain way and would never be comfortable doing it or just don't have it in our personalities to be cruel or mean or vicious, etc.  But no matter how horrible something I might do is, I would never say "The Devil made me do it".  It was within my own "self" to do something wrong.  Not an outside influence.  Just as it is in me to do wonderful things I love doing and not because God exists.  I do what I do for the love of others, and it makes me happy.  Just as being cruel would cause me extensive pain and make me depressed.  That is me. Others I am sure have their own reasons.  Additionally, when something goes wrong, I do not blame God or the Devil.

    7. Shahid Bukhari profile image61
      Shahid Bukhariposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Satan, is one of the d'Ginns ... Created by God ...
      The accursed Satan, has, an accursed' composed following, and progeny.

      Satan is, because ... A Created d'Ginn's "doubting" ... The All Knowing Creator's Known ...

      And God's Created, cannot be a "part" of God ... for such, Is the attribute, of a created, god ...

      God, Is, The Almighty Creator, of all that Exists, In, His Ordination ...

      The Human, Is the second of God ... The Human Hath been Granted, a Perfect Mind ... The Human Hath been Granted a Free Will, and Limbs to enforce the Free will ... For, the Human is Born Free, In Creation ... The Human can do as the Human, Pleases ... almost, as a god, in The Lord's Granted Life

      And ...

      The Power, "like" the Power of The Creator, Is, In Correct Belief, thus, in Righteous human Actions ...

      Meaning, the Humans Have been Granted the Power... In ... Following The Lord's Ordained Way of Peace, in Life ... Human, hath been Taught, how to be just, and humane, merciful, and beneficent, towards fellow humans.

      The Correct Way to Believe Hath also, been Shown ... Islam.

      1. mobilemaniac profile image58
        mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        can you post in a simple manner?I think you are quoting too much from Holy books.It will be better if we saying all these things from our own experience or findings-that may be right or wrong-leave it-but post your own opinion.Quoting from one book means that is not ur opinion.You are just following it that all.I think all posting in this forum read all those Holybooks.So no need to explain these teachings to them

        1. Shahid Bukhari profile image61
          Shahid Bukhariposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Dear friend

          I cannot have Personal Opinions about Creation ... I have to post The Stated Truth, within the context of my Experienced ...

          Because, I cannot quote Playboy, Einstein or Stud in these matters...

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yep, the devil & god are not logical for those reasons cited.

      apparently the devil was only allowed to act under god's permission, so yes, it's still god's fault.  If god alone can create everything then god made the devil.

      God and devil are part of the black & white world of religion - evil vs good, light vs dark, hot vs cold, love vs hate.
      There is never in between.  It's very primitive thinking

      1. mobilemaniac profile image58
        mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        yes.Then you saying no God and Satan? cool

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          correct

  2. lovemychris profile image81
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    Absolutely!
    And, he turns into an Angel of Light at the end of his "tour of duty".
    It's all part of a big lesson we have to learn, imo.Or re-discover maybe.

    1. mobilemaniac profile image58
      mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hi lovemychris

      At that day(end of his tour of duty) you know what happens?If Satan turns into an angel it will create more problems.Please think about it that without all these negative emotions positive things have no meaning.It is like the two sides of coin.Can you feel peace if you havent experienced war?Can you experience joy if you dont know about hate.If your answer is yes,at that moment we cant call that experience peace/joy.Because without its counterpart those words will lose its meaning

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image87
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think you can experience peace if you do not know war. I think you can know good having never experienced evil. You just appreciate good and peace more if you have experienced the opposite. But they can exist without each other.

  3. kess profile image60
    kessposted 6 years ago

    God is all thing including satan who is merely a pawn in his game.

    1. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well, that is one psychotic game! lol lol

      1. mobilemaniac profile image58
        mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hi earnesthub, yes that is..all these are parts of that big game that human cant understand :-)

  4. mobilemaniac profile image58
    mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago

    Hi Evans
    you say without God Satan wont exist.But what about God without Satan.We all say God is full of love but if Satan is not there what about Adam and Eve's story/what about Christ's Death and resurrection.That means entire Christianity depends on that.right?So without Satan God also have no exist.If so,God will be full of love  no hate on earth.Full of positie things then no problems on earth.But at the same time love will lose its meaning.Without hate what is meaning of love?Without 'anger' what is the relevence of 'peace'?So for all these things one negative power is needed it may be Satan or whatever we call.So only i said like these all are part of the game

    @kess i agree with you

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    [ha] satan: adverse; not fully illuminated; limited; at odds with; darkened; satiric; enmity; opposed to; a position of stand-off; resistant; being of a partiality; conditional; divided;

    Although apart of all things, dark is adverse to light.
    [ha]satan, the human mind, is at odds || adverse || not fully illuminated || partial || at enmity with light/creation { the vibrato of Creator }.

    James.

    1. mobilemaniac profile image58
      mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi twenty one days,
      can you simplify your writings?i didnt understand you correctly.Anyway do you agree on Gods presence everywhere?If so what about the existence of Satan.I think all  believers have to agree that but at the same time if so who is present in Satan??God?Try to understand that first sentence then becomes contradictory to itself in a manner that then you have to admit God is present In Satan also.If so again,God is also responsible for his doings?if not like God is not present in him we cant say like he is the Super power.am i right?

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        mobile,

        satan (ha-satan) in Hebrew is a Verb, not a noun.
        ha-satan is directed at the human opposition to truth (which is the vibrato of Creator) --his words-- all around them and in them.

        There is no "Entity" or "Angel" named "Satan" written anywhere in Torah. Nor is there any Entity named "Lucifer" mentioned anywhere in Torah, the 4-Gs or the Letters. does not exist.

        The adjective in Latin Vulgate --which is where the present translation of the text comes-- (lucem ferre or lucis ferre ) means: light bearer, deliverer of information; messenger. You could say fiber optics are lucem ferre, if you catch my meaning. Also, note, it refers often to Venus --the morning star and also as Y`shua, the light of the world.

        Creator is everywhere and everything. The human ha-satan, Creator is there, trying to illuminate their opposition, remove the partition/partiality, division, enmity between.

        So, there is no "individual super being v a fallen angel".
        It is humanities resistance to what they were designed to be. What Creator was reflecting in them --himself.

        James.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Y'achoo. Shaitan?

          Marcus.

          lol lol

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            t i s h ... y o u ? big_smile

          2. mobilemaniac profile image58
            mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Shaitan?Is that the correct word?

        2. mobilemaniac profile image58
          mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hi are you saying like at the same time two different entities can exist in one place as you said in your post?

          1. mobilemaniac profile image58
            mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            hi all reply@twenty one days : )

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I am saying NO such Entities exist, with regard to the belief system.

            1. No such entity Lucifer or Satan exists.
            2. No such iconic deity title a god or God. That is idolatry.

            Creator is way beyond doctrines and icons, I assure you.

            what exists are the three known parameters of Creators breathe.
            Tangible light
            Intangible light
            Optic light.

            ( i remember --unless incorrect-- the text refers to it a rhema, imrah and logos )

            Darkness is simply light non-optic. it is light in disorder or out of sequence with other light sequences/words.

            Make sense?
            James.

  6. Tony L Smith profile image64
    Tony L Smithposted 6 years ago

    Do you make people love and cherish you? or do you love them and desire that they love you out of their hearts and not out of duty. If you desired friendship, would you make a robot to love you? He had to give man a choice..

    1. mobilemaniac profile image58
      mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hi tony i also agree with you God gave us choice but iam asking the ending is pre defined why this thing?

      1. Tony L Smith profile image64
        Tony L Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        this thing, you mean satan?

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The Creator-God does have the knowledge as to what is going to happen in the future; that does not mean that he forces one to that end.

        If a man throws himself out from a high rise building and gets killed; the man has done it himself; the Creator-God has not done it.

        Having knowledge of something is different from predestination.

        1. mobilemaniac profile image58
          mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hi then assume God knows one 's destiny then how can we escape from that?As you said one mans throws himself from a building and that was predefined why you blame that man?if he doesnt do that God's planning fail right?Or are you saying like whatever happens natuarally is the plan o God.Understand that anyway you cannot give supporting theories for that.If God exists we can only feel that presence slightly.Either we cant bear that or we need to ilift up ourselves to that level.It is beyond our imagination.So you can not give theories to prove its existance whatever you try sure there will be a oppsing theory or vice versa : -)

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Whatever happens naturally happens because it takes place within the plan of life set by the Creator-God. Freedom of Choice or free will falls within the purview of this plan of life set and evolved under principles made by the Creator-God.
            If one denies God; that one can do within the plan of life; that is your choice. If one makes a wrong choice willfully; one is going to get its bad results within the natural plan set by the Creator-God.

            One can pray to God to save himself from the vagaries of nature before its happening.

            Impossible could become possible by prayers, within that plan, done beforehand.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Shall we assume like Satan is a part of GOD?

    Devil or Stan is not a part of the Creator-God.
    Yes, Satan is a part of the life plan or part of the free will or free choice.

    1. mobilemaniac profile image58
      mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      you mean free will means completely about mans choice.Then how can God knows its ending?If he knowe he only creates that in mans mind.This way you are saying contradictory statements.Think and understand anyways you can not give theories which supports your statements as i said earlier its beyond all imagination and thinking.If you want to believe in God just believe just believe thats all.And you can go to a buildings top and then again to some somewhat height using a ladder but  again sky seems away.The same concept.If anyone asks its there?Yes.But difficult to prove.If you want just experience it : )

  8. Tony L Smith profile image64
    Tony L Smithposted 6 years ago

    You know its possible to be in God but not have God in you

    1. mobilemaniac profile image58
      mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ya i know.But what you meant by "not have God in me" .Realize its not something that is an external power-God is everywhere.Even in a sinner God will be there.So  only its said that all bad people are not doing bad things the whole time nor good people are doing good things the whole dayAccording to bible its mentioned that two oppsing powers(God /satan) cant present at one place simultaneously(No one can serve two masters at a time).Like he exists everywhere  why does he exist in Satan?Then only he can conquer Satan.Yes???   : )  : )

      1. Tony L Smith profile image64
        Tony L Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        yes only God can conquer satan. He has delegated that athourity to us. On our own satan is to much for us, but as the big truck is to much for a traffic cop to stop, it becomes no problem when he is under athourity and in uniform.
        Another thought, satan is not a power, he is not the opposite of God. He is a created being like us, just not in the image of God like us.

        1. mobilemaniac profile image58
          mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          if Satan is not the opposite of God what is he?Supporter of God?you said like us God created him.I think according to Christianity God has a love towards us because he created us tht is natural creator may express his love.But according to you God created him only because to fullfill his wishes?God love him because you said God created Satan

          1. Tony L Smith profile image64
            Tony L Smithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I did not say God created satan. God created the angel that became satan which means the 'accuser'

            1. Disappearinghead profile image88
              Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Satan is a Hebrew noun and simply means one who opposes or an adversary, Strong's #7854. The same word is used of David by the Philistines in 1 Sam 29:4 and it was also used to describe the Angel of the Lord who stood in the path of Baalam in Numbers 22:22. But because the church didn't want David and God's angel to be called 'Satan' they translated the Hebrew as adversary.

              Satan is not a proper noun and should therefore never be used as a name for an individual. It does not mean the devil. The is no one called Satan in all creation. God has sent angels as satans to various people, and people have been satans to other people. It's about time the church dumped this Persian mythology.

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                Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                nods in affirmation. smile

  9. Dweiss profile image59
    Dweissposted 6 years ago

    Satan is not apart of God any more than you or I are a "part" of God. It isn't like pantheism where everything is in its essence "God". God is seperate from Satan, but He has power over Satan. Of course the Devil would not exist without God, but neither would we...
    We should also realize that we have more power than Satan could ever have, he is not a demi-god or anything. Satan is merely a tempter, a deciever, and a persecuter.
    True, Satan is the prince of this world and of the kingdom of darkness, but if we are not of this world (John 17:14) and so our power is from something greater than this world. Satan can have this world, for any power gained in it is temporary, but the power that comes from God is eternal

    1. mobilemaniac profile image58
      mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "Of course the Devil would not exist without God, but neither would we..."

      Ya.that is the thing iam saying.Devil would not exist without God.if no God no Satan.No Satan no God -mutually dependent-that is what iam asking the question -Shall we assume like that??

      1. Dweiss profile image59
        Dweissposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        God would exist without the devil.... God created the Devil as one of his archangels.... But God would exist reguardless of the Devil existing or not.
        and can you explain your question a little bit more?

  10. mobilemaniac profile image58
    mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago

    question is very simple-in a simple manner i meant that there is no existance for goodness alone without evil.Because without evil things good/divine things loose its meaning.Simple theory lol

  11. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    How about its all a pile of old myths for an easy explanation?
    Using the text from a book that says it is inspired by a god to prove that it is inspired by god is a bit silly don't you think?
    No proof the invisible myth exists, not one single piece of even reasonable empirical evidence in 2,000 years, and currently half the middle east is in flames over religion. Why? Both reading differently from the same book!
    Prehistoric nonsense!

    1. mobilemaniac profile image58
      mobilemaniacposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you earnesthub.These all theories are meant for easy teaching about moral things.But these things are needed for a practical well-balance also.May help sometimes.And there are some powers beyond our imagination/control.Real problem is not with religion.But when human started to use that for his own benefit or when he made that also a business smile

  12. intellagentleman profile image60
    intellagentlemanposted 5 years ago

    Well he was only one of his best angels. But he was also an angel that with power became greedy and sought to take power from God himself. that was when he was cast out into the place that we call hell. so yes he in ways is a part of God or at least he has ties to him.

  13. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    The Satan, (not a person, a title) came from god's little helpers. It demonstrates clearly the other nonsense about this god being omni everything. Just another part of a puzzle without pieces that fit the myths.

  14. Jesus-Saves profile image60
    Jesus-Savesposted 5 years ago

    All i hear in this forum is guess work. I was longing for somebody to open the Bible and explain things from there, but i was disappointed. Anyway, here is the truth behind this matter.
    God created everything holy and good (yes, there was a time when all was good), Lucifer was one of the angels of God and He too was holy and good. In fact, he was the highest angel (highest created being), and he was given the high position of covering cherub. But he started to envy the position of God (this is a mystery), and later became Satan/Devil the enemy of God. And he managed to gather followers of angels in his rebellion against God. There was then a mighty war of words as each side tried to prove its point. Lucifer (now Satan) wanted to be equal with God, just like God's Son was equal with God. But Michael (God's Son/ Jesus) fought back, and won the arguments. And Satan and his followers were thrown out of heaven to this earth. Now Satan and his fellow fallen angels (invisible to human sight) are on death row awaiting the great day when they will all be destroyed by fire. But they are spending their tempting men so that we may be destroyed together with them in the end.
    Here are some Biblical texts:
    "How art thou fallen from heaven oh Lucifer son of the morning... For thou hast said in thine heart, 'i will ascend unto heaven, i will exalt my throne above the stars of God, i will sit also upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north, i will ascend above the heights of the clouds, i will be like the Most High'. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit." Isaiah 14:12-15
    "Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. Thou has been in Eden the garden of God, every precious stone was thy covering... Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee so, thou was upon the holy mountain of God, thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou was perfect in thy ways until iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise, they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned, therefore i will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God, and I will destroy thee oh covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou has corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness." Ezekiel 28:12-17
    "There was war in heaven; Michael and His angels fought against the Dragon, and the Dragon fought and his angels and prevailed not, neither was place found anymore in heaven. And the great Dragon was cast out, that old Serpent called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world. He was cast out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him." Revelation 12:7-9
    "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day." Jude 6

 
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