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"Christian love"; explained

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    paarsurrey wrote:

    What is Christian Love

    Paul and the Church founded the Christian Religion; and it started by a fiction; the Father Killing a Son; so cruelty is the theme of the Christian Religion; not love.

    Love is just to allure the common people to the fold of the Church or churchianity.

    Jesus had got nothing to do with this religion that Paul and the Church founded while Jesus had gone to India after when he escaped from a cursed killing on the cross; in Jesus' absence they started this misnomer in his name"Christ", only to mislead the people.

    Just Curious wrote:

    Um, if the OP said something like 'what makes  one an Ahmadi muslim' that would be a pretty good answer.

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/71883?p … ost1570334

    1. luvpassion profile image60
      luvpassionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Did they have malls in india then? Cause if they didn't Reo would be better. wink

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      just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Paar you lie here with that reference. The exact quote was that you weren't addressing the question asked by the OP. Is it the teaching of your faith to lie? This appears to be the point you are making. I suppose since most religionists agree that if a person lies they cannot be a prophet of a god; I would assume it would follow that if the philosophy included a belief that it is ok for the followers to lie, that makes the false prophet a lier also? I don't know. Seems to me that follows. What do you think?

    3. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      In jesus' absence.... LOL.. obviously jesus has some power to "escape the cross" as you put it paar... so how come jesus allowed himself to be absent while this misnomer of christianity was being perpetuated by paul and the church.

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus was a Son of Man/woman; he had no power.

        So Paul and the Anti-Christ flourished; though Jesus has forwarned the sheep beforhand of Paul's nasty doings:

        "Paul of Tarsus: A wolf in sheeps clothing

        While he was alive, In the flesh, Jesus warned us to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.

        Jacob prophesied: "Benjamen shall ravin as a wolf ".  Jesus warned us to beware of Benjamites entering into the sheepfold.

        Sheep do not kill.  Wolves do.  Jesus warned us to beware of killers who enter into the church and teach doctrines of killing and sacrifice.

        He also told us to beware of the leavenof the Pharisees.  Leaven takes a small measure of grain and greatly expands it.  When Jesus fed the 5000 in the wilderness he showed us a living parable of the leaven of the Pharisees.  He handed out a few loaves and fishes, representing his few commandments, and when they returned to him, they had multiplied and expanded into 12 baskets full of refuse, unusable doctrine.

        Paul was a Pharisee, of the tribe of Benjamen, a self confessed murderer of the saints, who greatly expanded upon the words of Christ.  He was the one Jesus warned us about.  He taught many things that Christ did not teach.

        John went out with Paul, to try him, and when he saw Paul do the works of darkness, and curse and blind  a man, John parted company with him.  He understood that Christ came to give men sight, not to blind them.  He understood that Paul did the works of darkness, and not the works of light.

        Paul laments that ALL the churches of Asia have rejected him.  The book of Revelation is written to the 7 churches of Asia, that rejected Paul, and one letter says:   I know you have tried them that say they are apostles  but are not, and you have found them liars. 

        Pauls doctrine is his own, and not Christ's, neither can these two gospels be reconciled."

        http://inthenameofheaven.blogspot.com/2 … thing.html

    4. manlypoetryman profile image73
      manlypoetrymanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I was going to respond to this...then I saw that it was just more nonsense from paarsurrey hmm

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    The Christian say "God is love"; this expression is not from Jesus; why publicise it as a core Christian belief then?

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      just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So, what about the conversation on the false prophet mohamed. You promised we'd talk.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Love has different connotations and meaning; not very suitable to explain realtionship between the Creator-God and the human beings.

      The better word is mercy or grace:

      [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=1

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        just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        As I told you paar. As long as you leave this thread here I will ask you, on every post, to explain your ideas on the false prophet mohamed. You promised we would talk. smile

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          ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Mohammed is not a false prophet. There are only false understandings to what he said because some bozo began imposing his understanding on another and declared it law.

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            just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You cannot be serious. You think he was a prophet? You honestly believe the angel Gabriel spoon fed him the words of the quran? I'm afraid I don't buy that.

            1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
              ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No. I think he had a role in that part of the world in their context. A prophet is a messenger. Now we may not agree with the message because we are not in that mindset, but at the time mohammed brought order to the beduoins.

              "Gabriel spoon-fed him"

              Gabriel is angel of truth. Truth spoon-fed Mohammed. He spoke from what was true to him.

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                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I would disagree with your whole post, on several levels; but that is neither here nor there. 'Truth' is certainly a word used in fascinating contexts. Thanks for sharing an interesting take on the subject. smile

                1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                  ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  you can disagree of course but i will belabor that a belief in a prophet denotes a belief in tadah a God that actually chooses real prophets.

                  I define prophet as they are in mundane terms, a man with a message he believes came from God that offers transcendence.

                  How could you say Jesus is a real prophet and Mohammed not.When Jesus is supposedly NOT a prophet but a son of G-d. Buddha is not a prophet because he is an ascended master.

                  As a matter of fact, Mohammed is a prophet, like Isaiah because he bears a message from G-d.

                  Jesus and Buddha however are masters. They are God in man. Do you see the distinction?

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                    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm not actually saying anyone is a prophet. I simply thought you were using the term prophet as it is normally defined. I was somewhat shocked you considered Mohamed to fit the bill. If you define it this way, ok. Sounds more than reasonable.

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                paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I appreciate your post.

                Thanks

              3. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                How are we to rationalize this contradiction?

                What does your mindset have to do with anything? As you say, "Gabriel is angel of truth. Truth spoon-fed Mohammed."

                In other words, they were words of truth from a god delivered by an angel, hence are words you must live by if you believe in gods.

                If you use the argument that your mindset does not agree with those words, then you are disagreeing with the words of a god and are hence sinning.

                How do you justify your dilemma without invoking what you want to believe as opposed to what you are supposed to believe as ordered by gods? smile

                1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                  ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  once again, you miss the point. I am explaining symbology while you are wrangling about god this and god that.

                  1. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Presenting an obvious contradiction in terms of explaining "symbology" or explaining five pin bowling would make accepting your take on symbolism or bowling that much less valid. smile

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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          just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So paar, exactly when did you realize Jama'at Ahmadiyya wasn't anything other than a simple guy. Was that before, or after, you declared Mohamad was no prophet? Do tell the whole story. I'm curious.

          1. aka-dj profile image80
            aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It seems he'd rather answer himself than you.

            He's the only one i've seen who answers his own posts. Probably trying to restart a thread everyone else is ignoring, or over.

            I personally wish he'd comment on his own religion, than telling all christians how wrong the Bible is, and such.
            I've told him so, but never got a reply, nor has he stopped. hmm

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              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, and I'm tired of him taking snippets of a post and turning them into a thread completely opposite of what was said. I warned him what I would do if he didn't back down. Apparently, four cats in a window isn't threatening enough. I'm going to have to get a new avatar.

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                Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah, four cats don't really seem all that threatening, just_curious...lol 

                wink

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                  just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I know, but I love the picture. When I'm yakking on this forum my head has an image of all of our avatars, walking around like bobble heads talking to each other. The cats make me laugh when they're talking, so I can't really change them.

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I think I'm gonna make my avatar my sassy teenage cat, Po.  He's also known as John Cougar Mellencat on occasion, depending on his mood!  If I catch him at the right angle, I can get him to look fierce!

                    smile

                    *bobble, bobble*

      3. mecheil profile image61
        mecheilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.

        being gracious and merciful are two characteristics of god that is brought about by love.

        by the way paar, don't you know that allah is not even god's personal name, but simply another term for "god".

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          paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The Creator-God has let us know His name and His attributes very clearly; Bible has failed in it though:

          [20:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
          [20:2] Ta Ha.
          [20:3] We have not sent down the Qur’an to thee that thou shouldst be distressed,
          [20:4] But as an exhortation for him who fears God,
          [20:5] And a revelation from Him Who created the earth and the high heavens.
          [20:6] He is the Gracious God Who has settled Himself on the Throne.
          [20:7] To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, and whatsoever is between them, and whatsoever is beneath the moist subsoil.
          [20:8] And if thou speakest aloud, it makes no difference, for He knows the secret thought and what is yet more hidden.
          [20:9] Allah — there is no God but He. His are the most beautiful names.
          [20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee?

          http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=0

          1. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            [25 or 6 to 4] Ta Da.

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              paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Please quote or give correct references; I don't get it.

    3. Onusonus profile image87
      Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
      He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It is not from Jesus like I said:

        [6] We are of God. He that knoweth God, heareth us. He that is not of God, heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. [7] Dearly beloved, let us love one another, for charity is of God. And every one that loveth, is born of God, and knoweth God.

        [8] He that loveth not, knoweth not God: for God is charity.

        [9] By this hath the charity of God appeared towards us, because God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we may live by him. [10] In this is charity: not as though we had loved God, but because he hath first loved us, and sent his Son to be a propitiation for our sins.
        1st Epistle Of Saint John Chapter 4
        http://www.drbo.org/chapter/69004.htm

        It is manipulation from Protestant Church.

        1. Onusonus profile image87
          Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "Charity is the pure love of Christ." -Moroni 7:47

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Neither from the OT nor from the NT.

            1. Onusonus profile image87
              Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              It's quite the stumbling block, isn't it.
              The passage with it's complete and accurate translation as dictated by a prophet of God who supports the new testament in it's entirety.

    4. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Especially when so many "Christians" are so hate-filled!
      Judgemental and mean. Taunting and petty. Spiteful, without class.
      They talk the talk only. They do not enter the narrow way. Use the name, ignore the tenants.

      "Love your neighbor as yourself."......when do you ever see this here?

      Instead, you sense a strain of real venom.
      And that is anti-thetical to Christ, isn't it?

      1. aka-dj profile image80
        aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sorry you have come across many like that.
        Sadly, you are correct, this is not becoming of a one calling themselves Christian.

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
  3. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    Hey Paar, let me ask you a question.

    Nevermind "christian love"- but just Love.

    I reject "christian love", because it's associated with "godly love" or "god is love" or "love comes from god", which is actually a joke.

    Love itself - Teachings lead people to believe that they must love themselves before they love others, but are to love others.

    Love itself - Is show in actions of the individual, it speaks about how they love themselves and how they love others.

    So, that leaves me with my question- Would you die for a complete stranger?

    Please remember, to do so, requires full conscious awareness of the consequences. But would you give your life up for a complete stranger?

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    Christian religion starts with mythical killing by a father a son;a very bad start and a role model; and then they preach love.

    Is it not weird?

    1. aka-dj profile image80
      aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No-one is interested.
      Why do you try to revive these useless threads?
      You should just write hubs. I notice you only have two.


      I see, you probably wouldn't get many readers. I guess that explains everything. lol

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        How do you know? People want to know the Truth; Christianity cannot hide behind myths.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Why not? Your religion does.

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So, you support that Christianity should live in myths. Why?

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Do not edit my quotes to make it appear that I said something i did not again.

              This is why your religion causes so many conflicts.

        2. aka-dj profile image80
          aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Write some hubs.
          That's mostly what this site is about, isn't it?

        3. ceciliabeltran profile image85
          ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The people of Islam is also right in the thick of its myths living it as though they were literal truths. Covering the women to hide a man's lust. Banning alcohol to control man's vices. It is all external control and no internal understanding of Mohammad's teachings. Mohammad was teaching respect for women and encouraging clear-thinking. His followers misunderstood.

          A true muslim does not need to cover a woman's face and body.
          A true muslim would not be drunk in the presence of so much wine.
          A true muslim would see a Christian as his brother in Allah.

          Stop your war-mongering and be a true Muslim.

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            Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            "god" I love your mind...

            1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
              ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              smile hello James!

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                Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                `ello, sunshine, did you miss me?
                {{ have been busy with some techie work. whats news? }}

                1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
                  ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  are you flirting with me James? smile but yes...I've been busy too, I shall tell you some time when it is done.

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                    Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Absolutely! but don`t tell Ronnie big_smile
                    I was in-town a few weeks back, UWS, my old stopping ground.
                    New Avery Hall looks amazing! Tons of aspiring Julliard's everywhere.

                    James.

    2. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No more weird than Muhammad starting wars and his followers conquering most of the known world killing everyone in their path who didn't accept Islam.

      And, then they preach peace. How weird is that? smile

  5. DoubleScorpion profile image85
    DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago

    Not to poke the bear...but a Prophet/ess is nothing more than a "seer" who is believed to have received thier message from a divine source.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      A person with a Message from the Creator-God Allah YHWH is called a messenger or prophet in the Revealed Religion:

      [72:27] He* is the Knower of the unseen; and He reveals not His secrets to any one,
      [72:28] Except to him whom He* chooses, namely a Messenger of His. And then He causes an escort of guarding angels to go before him and behind him,
      [72:29] That He may know that they (His Messengers) have delivered the Messages of their Lord. And He encompasses all that is with them and He keeps count of all things.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=26

      *The Creator-God.

      1. DoubleScorpion profile image85
        DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That is what I said. I just used simplier terms and skipped the references to religious texts.

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          paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I agree with you.

          Our friend "just curious" took it as if idea was the essence of your argument; message is the more proper word that is why the prophets are called messengers of the Creator-God also.

          Not a point of conflict

          Thanks and regards

  6. thebrucebeat profile image59
    thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago

    He may have had a message of correction, but noone who heard him would survive to act on them.  Prophets were to bring people back to proper living.  That was clearly not Noah's purpose.

  7. Onusonus profile image87
    Onusonusposted 5 years ago

    John 14-
    23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.

    Jesus was sent by God the FATHER for the salvation of mankind.

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    What is Christian Love

    Paul and the Church founded the Christian Religion; and it started by a fiction; the Father Killing a Son; so cruelty is the theme of the Christian Religion; not love.

    Love is just to allure the common people to the fold of the Church or churchianity.

    Jesus had got nothing to do with this religion that Paul and the Church founded while Jesus had gone to India after when he escaped from a cursed killing on the cross; in Jesus' absence they started this misnomer in his name"Christ", only to mislead the people.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
 
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