science is not religion...it is for all humans and doesnot divide humans...science is bigger than what ever divides humans and every human is indebted to science ...science doesnot need spokesperson since its benefits are reaped universally....for e.g. we dont know who used first tool for agriculture but whoever did opened new horizon for humans...without science humans would be still in jungle...religion does need spokepersons because religion needs marketing to survive...without marketing religion cant survive , spirituality would since quest for timeless question would still exist...look at present religions...they didnt exist 5k years back but quest of science still existed...
Yet there are atheists agnostics skeptics who demonstrate as if they are un-authorized spokespersons of science. Theists also make use of science; it is common with the everybody. Science has nothing to do with the atheists agnostics skeptics.
Science does not approve of the atheists; does it?
I shall repeat, people who discuss science and their understanding of it are not spokespersons of science. Just because they disagree with your efforts to force your religion on them and use scientific facts to show you that your religion is not fact does not make them spokespersons of science.
@parr yes science neither does approve nor disapprove atheist...but science has raised doubt against religious god...so it does hint at disapproving religious god but it has still to reach that point..eventually it would but i doubt science would reach point of atheism itself...many science are atheist , many are theist , many are agnostic...lately number of agnostic scientist are increasing since religion is failing to answer quest of science and in end it would never be able to answer querying brain...
paarsurrey, the context of your statement indicates that you have no idea what science is.
Science is simply the observation, testing, and documentation of anything. If you watch a boiled egg, measure how long it takes to get hard, that's science. If you observe the distance that people with long legs walk and compare it with the distance that people with short legs walk, that's science.
Science is NOT a religion. It is simple observation and examination.
Why does science say that evolution happened? Because they found the evidence, i.e. they saw the skeletons, examined the DNA and a million other things.
You, yourself, use and listen to science all day long. When you listen to the weather channel predictions, you're listening to science. When you take a tablet because you have a cold, that's the result of science. People (scientists) saw that a certain substance made people better, ran a few tests, then put it in a package. That's science.
You seem to think that science has a 'bible' of some sort, and that people 'believe' that bible. Science doesn't have a bible. The only rules in science are observe and test, observe and test, until all the tests come out with only one possible answer.
When atheists and agnostics refer to science, they're essentially saying , in a polite way, "Listen dummy, if you want to take a solid look without blinkers, your own eyes will show you what is happening."
However, just because atheists and agnostics are polite people, they rather say, "science says..."
There is only ONE; none other than Him has spoken to a human being, intelligently:
[20:12] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, ‘O Moses, [20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa. [20:14] ‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed. [20:15] ‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.
Verse is not the proof. Any tom, dick and harry can show verse and get away with it when asked for proof. Words mean jacksh** if you don't have empirical proof for what you blabber here. Prove to me that there isn't god above you allah other than verse shi*t or else STFU.
There is no harm in using the medicine or treatment of the doctors; the ingredients of the medicine are taken from the nature, never created by anybody from annihilation, one should thank the doctors and should be more thankful to the Creator-God who created these ingredients for human benefit.
We might say then that western defence companies are operating under the spiritual guidance of God already as by the will of God we have advanced weaponry keeping us safe from middle eastern nutters who think the Quran authorises them to this day to kill the western infidel.
The caveman will be washing dishes and doing the laundry, but will be reading a book in the sunshine sipping on a nice beer. with the additional benefit that I'm not riddled with worms lice and other life sucking parasites. Come to think of it, I'm 41 and the caveman would have been pushing up daisies.
That is ok, Paar. Those who are believers, are "authorized spokepersons" for "gods law and judgement" regardless of the fact, most do not have any formal education. So I would say it is fair across the board.
If believers can "speak the truth" about religion(faith/god/allah), by simply reading a bible/qu'ran (sacred texts) and having "god's understanding"
Then a non-believer can "speak the facts" of science, by simply reading books and having "logical understanding"
As far as science is not an official organization no, it has no spokesperson. It does have established and respected voices in the community who precendence is given to thanks to their experience; for example, Stephen Hawking (who is an atheist by the way).
Does science approve atheists? If not; then why demonstrate it as such.
Science is a complementary of Religion; both are essential for human life.
The Theists are thankful to science and scientists but more thankful to the Creator-God, who created everything including the science only discovers, at a given point of time, what is already in existence in the nature, created by the Creator-God.
Science does not approve or disapprove of atheism or theism it simply states that there is no proof of a God so a God cannot be called fact. If you have faith that is fine, its the very basis of every religion I have studied, because faith exists in the absence of fact. When people discuss science they are discussing something verifiable, like why apples fall from trees. Fact is eventually every apple on a tree will fall, we call that gravity which is a theory but the apple falling is a fact.
The atheists agnostics skeptics demonstrate as if they are un-authorized spokespersons of science. Theists also make use of science; it is common with the everybody. Science has nothing to do with the atheists agnostics skeptics; it is not their sole enterprize.
Science does not approve of the atheists; does it?
I don't consider them spokespersons of science. I wouldn't think they consider themselves that either. I think an atheist tries to use science to show reason in contrast to what they consider the unreasonable. Ration against what they consider to be the irrational.
Or, maybe they are simply using science to point out that people looking for answers can find mystery enough to sate their appetite here in the physical world, without trying to use their imagination to see beyond.
There's a host of possibilities as reason for any particular behavior pattern without assuming something rude, such as the OP appears to suggest.
I better not say, last time I outed a sock puppet I got banned and he stayed. Several here know who it was, but the identity was a paranoid who hated every religion or belief except his own and got permanently wiped out no doubt for rants against jews, masons, christians and a dozen others.
Muslims do not understand science anymore since they decided everything is stated in their primitive superstitious book. What happened to Islam? It used to produce scientists. Now it only produces sheep and terrorists. Why are you not ashamed of the current state of Islam?
Says paar ? What's your educational qualification by the way ? Graduate in arts, literature, religious studies, accounts ? and you to talk about reason ? Still waiting for your proof Mr Scientific religious
I always knocked you out with reason, kiddo. Remember threads where you got pwned for your quran's verse spam on islamic violence/errors ? ofcourse you don't, you're having faith for reason.
really ?If you're ordinary man -searching for allah-biased truth then please show me proof for your claim of ' there is only one god allah' other than some quran text spam. Do you understand faith vs empirical proof ? and you talk about- reason, knowledge, rationality? Go get some education instead of blabbering about revelation by accusing atheists/agnostics.
Science is secular / equitable in nature; it has nothing to do with the AtheistsIf some atheistic scientists support atheism that is their own extra-curricular activity; science has never made them their spokesperson.
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