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Why do atheists spend so much time here?

  1. vector7 profile image59
    vector7posted 5 years ago

    Why, if you don't believe that something even exists would you waste your time in these threads?

    And don't tell me that it's because we are spreading lies. We aren't in "other" forums talking about God and Christ Jesus. We are in a forum designated to what we believe.

    To "spread" something, we would have to go beyond our category to impress on others. Anyone can read the forum titles just fine. (Or you would think at least) roll

    And yet, you don't believe, and are consciously by choice going into a forum of a subject that you don't believe in nor care to discuss, but simply demean.

    Ah yes, we can't "see" God. But we tell you that's the point, and that you don't have to believe.

    But you choose to come, and then call us liars and tell us we are irrational.

    Then don't come, just like all the other "rational" people who don't like Christianity done when they very clearly read the title...

    Please explain your "mission"...

    smile

    1. Cagsil profile image84
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It's not a waste of time, then it isn't your time. You do what you want to do with your time and others will do what they want with their time. You are not of any authority, that which, requires anyone to explain themselves to, because YOU cannot nor have any power, to hold others accountable.
      A lie is a lie. It's a shame you cannot see that.
      And, you fail to realize it is a public forum. Not private to just religious. Got it?
      A prime example that you don't understand more than you realize. lol Spreading is you opening your mouth about your belief and claiming it has authority over others. When the TRUTH of the matter is what you believe is for you alone.
      Demean? Is your subjective view and nothing surprising that it would be skewed toward the negative. Do you know why you do that? I do, but I'm willing to bet that you don't. (btw- don't ask, because it's on a need to know basis and YOU don't need to know- I'll leave you to figure it out)
      roll
      Yes, I choose to come and make sure that lies that are told are dismissed. Any irrational statement must be handled with rationality(sane thoughts).
      Awww...sounds like someone should get out of the kitchen if they cannot take the heat. Yes, many rational people don't bother coming to the forum to talk about religion or their beliefs.

      That's their choice to not come. And it's a choice to do so. Both, you have no authority over, so deal with it.
      My mission is a path to peace. Something you won't know anything about. And, if you think you do- then please do tell me the common fundamental ground(foundation) for peace to come to be. If you don't know, just admit it.

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Organized thoughts?

        smile

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That would be helpful, yes. And, 100% of the time, those organized thoughts are rational, sane and logical. wink

          However, it wouldn't be the lowest component. But, do appreciate you letting me know what you think is. wink

      2. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "Awww...sounds like someone should get out of the kitchen if they cannot take the heat."

        "My mission is a path to peace."

        Wonderful how you compare heat with peace.. Very rational...

        smile

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The continued argument that has gripped humankind is mysticism versus reality.

          Religion was born from mysticism. It documents humankind's history of specific people. It tells you all about mysticism without ever using the word itself. This is all of the mind kind of things. It stems from an overabundance of the right side of the brain.

          Reality is Reality. It's the real world, which we live in. Reality was a discovery of humankind. It's understanding is most often confused and distorted in context of sentences.

          It's already known that nothing exists outside of reality. The "spiritual" realm is mysticism. So, when people like yourself claim that there is a god in a spiritual realm, it's dismissed as nonsense, because the "spiritual" realm of mysticism was debunked as being non-real and not part of reality.

    2. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Of course not, but you do believe that something exists and your beliefs cause conflict.



      We aren't in other forums talking about gods, either. What's your point?



      Which is exactly what your religion teaches you to do, go beyond respecting others to spread your message.



      If your religion didn't cause any conflict, there would be no need to discuss it.



      But, you do claim to see gods and you do believe, hence the problem with conflict, again.



      It has been demonstrated many times with many believers here that they are lying are irrational. Those are facts.



      The attempt to save mankind from religions, of course. smile

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "Of course not, but you do believe that something exists and your beliefs cause conflict."

        It takes two to tango, and I never challenged your belief.

        You are challenging mine, hence you are starting the conflict simply because I state "I believe in Jesus Christ."

        I'm not telling you what to believe. You're telling me what to believe.

        I'm just telling what I believe.


        "It has been demonstrated many times with many believers here that they are lying are irrational. Those are facts."

        I do believe you lied about Marconi, whether it be out of ignorance or not, it was a lie. Need me to quote?


        "The attempt to save mankind from religions, of course."

        Another admission to shoving ideas down other people's throats. Wonderful.

        smile

      2. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        sound of the buzzer

        we do not take our beliefs to YOU.
        YOU come to our beliefs (which wouldn't be so bad if you did something else other than moan and groan)
        When you come to our beliefs we are not spreading the gospel anywhere.   YOU are impugning YOUR beliefs UPON US, just by the intractable fact that you are here with the attitude, not to learn, not even curious, just to demean. So to coin an term, YOU are calling the kettle black, which creates intrusion (which you are, public forum or not - remember YOU impugn yourself UPON US).
        We also cannot be shoving OUR ideas down peoples throats. First off i don't believe people in general are insipid enough to storm into a room and announce with a loud voice, "YOU people are shoving your opinions down my throat", when nobody but yourself pushed you into the room.
                 truly hilarious! I cannot grasp how you string thoughts together.
        Let me put this clearly and i hope this clears up another of your dilemmas..... I'll parallel this as close as i can to hubpages forums so you maybe will grasp the meaning... beware!!! context is included lol

        There is a meeting going on over there behind that door. There is a sign on the door says "public meeting". So in you go, and after having listened to the opinions of a few you stand up and say, "look i have a right to be here, the sign said public, so here i am and i think you people are shoving your ideas down my throat".

        lol   ribald stuff  lol

        1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
          Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          brother,Excellent point.

        2. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

          Well stated.

    3. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
      Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It is every human beings right to debate something that imposes itself upon their lifes against their will. Religion is a key topic in todays society and as such it needs to be discussed.

      Would you sit by and let the KKK have their beliefs and not question them?



      This is a public forum on a public site. It is not a religious site. Go to a christian site if you wish.



      Would you demean the beliefs of the KKK?



      But it HAS to be taught in schools right? What about abortion and stem cell research? Wether we believe or not is not the issue. It is having your beliefs forced upon us that is the issue.



      Many theists I have spoken to ARE liars of course not all.



      My mission is to better humanity by means of abolishing superstitious beliefs.

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "My mission is to better humanity by means of abolishing superstitious beliefs."

        Wonderful. We have another to admit that they want to control other people's thoughts.


        "Would you demean the beliefs of the KKK?"

        Don't be ridiculous. We don't hang people because of their skin color.


        "This is a public forum on a public site. It is not a religious site. Go to a christian site if you wish."

        No one cares if you're here. I care that you intend nothing more than to impress your opinion on others, and shove things down Christian people's throats.


        smile

        1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
          Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Do you actually think that is an answer to the question? That is what I would call a non-answer.

          Do you demean the beliefs of the KKK or not? Would you stand by and let them have their beliefs and persecute black people or would you challenge their beliefs?

          If you dont want to answer the question I understand because it reflects directly on why I question religion and you're probably not going to admit it.

          Unless you want to prove me wrong?

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Do you want me to compare you to Hitler? He wanted to abolish religion as well..

            smile

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hitler was a religionist. Read his history. smile

              1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
                Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                He was even a choir boy in a catholic church. I love when people try to fob Hitler off as an atheist.

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  But you try to say Hitler was a Christian?

                  He clearly was not!

                  As for the choir boy thing ,means nothing ,even Satan goes to church wink

                  If youre going to attack Christ ,it would be good to get some spiritual facts straight.

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    He clearly was. Read his history. smile

                2. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  lol Yes he was, and also used religion as a weapon when he felt it would further his agenda.

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    "Hitler was a religionist. Read his history."

                    "Yes he was, and also used religion as a weapon when he felt it would further his agenda."

                    So therefore you were lying, because he didn't actually believe in the religion he was abusing for leverage and you knew that.

                    Which means he wasn't a religionist at all... Just someone that twisted religion to suit his madness..


                    smile

              2. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                "Hitler was a religionist. Read his history."

                Speaking of lies...

                "His private statements, as reported by his intimates, show Hitler as critical of traditional Christianity, considering it a religion fit only for slaves; he admired the power of Rome but had severe hostility towards its teaching.[326] Here Hitler's attack on Catholicism "resonated Streicher's contention that the Catholic establishment was allying itself with the Jews."[327] In light of these private statements, for John S. Conway and many other historians it is beyond doubt that Hitler held a "fundamental antagonism" towards the Christian churches.[328] The various accounts of Hitler's private statements vary strongly in their reliability; most importantly, Hermann Rauschning's Hitler speaks is considered by most historians to be an invention.[329][330]

                In the political relations with the churches in Germany however, Hitler readily adopted a strategy "that suited his immediate political purposes".[328] Hitler had a general plan, even before the rise of the Nazis to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich.[331][332][333] The leader of the Hitler Youth stated "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" from the start, but "considerations of expedience made it impossible" publicly to express this extreme position.[331] His intention was to wait until the war was over to destroy the influence of Christianity."

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler


                My my my... All the lies lies lies...


                smile

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Lets not forget the whole Aryan thing.... and that a lot of hitlers research was in the area of geneology. dissection for 'medical' purposes.

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                SirDentposted 5 years ago in reply to this



                Actually Hitler was an ex-Catholic as many athiests who post here are.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  What are you saying Sir Dent?
                  Are you saying that Catholics are the wrong religion, or are you saying that he is not a christian as Catholics are not Christians?

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                    SirDentposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You know what I meant.  How many of the atheists who post here are ex-christians?  Ex-Catholic?

                    I remember a thread about being de baptised a few months ago.

            2. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
              Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I knew you wouldnt answer the question.

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You want me to tell you that I don't agree with killing people because they have a different color skin?

                And that I don't agree with putting separate bathrooms, and water fountains, and schools because people have different colored skin?

                And that I don't agree with unloving acts against all which Christ Jesus taught?

                No, I absolutely don't agree with any of that..

                smile

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          paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I do care that they are here; they are human beings, they have a right to co-exist peacefully.

          One must have some tolerance.

        3. nightwork4 profile image60
          nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          perhaps it is because religion is pushed on us from birth. if your over 35 then all through school you were exposed to religion whether you wanted to be or not. perhaps it is also because if a person is not shown any better, then how are they going to realise that god is nothing but a figment of some peoples minds. perhaps one of the reasons that religious people are bothered by athiests being in on the religious threads is that we make too much sense but due to the teachings of religion, religious people are afraid that god is a hoax and that when you die, it's over. no life after death, no heaven with all it's glory, etc., PERHAPS.

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            "if your over 35 then all through school you were exposed to religion whether you wanted to be or not."

            Don't push yourself into a corner..

            If your under 25 you've never heard anything but "evolution, evolution, evolution."



            "perhaps it is also because if a person is not shown any better, then how are they going to realise that god is nothing but a figment of some peoples minds."

            Like I said, we welcome your opinion. Thank you..




            "perhaps one of the reasons that religious people are bothered by athiests being in on the religious threads is that we make too much sense but due to the teachings of religion, religious people are afraid that god is a hoax and that when you die, it's over. no life after death, no heaven with all it's glory, etc., PERHAPS."


            Don't be ridiculous. I've been over the "logic" thing in this thread and others. We obviously all don't walk in the same shoes.

            Some people don't believe in ghosts, some do. Why?? Because of personal experience. We don't care about your "sense" because through what has happened to me, your idea makes absolutely no sense at all.

            Your science makes absolutely no sense either, and they claim all sorts of things.

            But the fact remains science is a puzzle that isn't even close to being solved, hence the reason I think it's ridiculous to try to base your understanding of life on it.

            I guess you know what the picture looks like in a thousand piece puzzle with only 25 pieces connected.


            And I don't fear death. I think it's irrational to think something as amazing as life could come into being, just to vanish again. All of existence doesn't exist for NOTHING. That would be absurd...


            No. I believe in God because it makes perfect sense as we are designed intelligently just like very invention in this world was. A TV's intelligent design did not come about by itself just because it works, or new stations with better picture quality show up...

            Your "sense" doesn't make sense because you don't have answers to any questions. You just deny things just because you can't see them with your beady little eyes..

            smile

      2. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        debate is fine

        do you know where one is?????

    4. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Vector, this is the Religion and Philosophy forum. And religious beliefs can be considered a philosophy. And religion includes more than christian faiths. Wicca and Satanism are religions as well. Maybe not your cup of tea, but religions just the same. Freedom of religion, means all religions.

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        DS...

        Copied and pasted.. Top of the screen.



            * All Forums
            * Religion and Philosophy
            * Christianity, the Bible and Jesus
            * Why do atheists spend so much time here?



        And I still don't mind them being in any forum. I mind them choosing to come into forums knowing what "I" believe trying to tell me to hush.

        I'm not attempting to silence them. Why should I not have a voice?

        I have a brain. I choose to believe something. I'm allowed to tell people what "I" believe. And what the Bible says as well, considering this IS under "* Christianity, the Bible and Jesus".

        I don't start conflicts. People telling me what "I" should believe is what starts conflicts.

        smile

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
          DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Still falls under Philosophy in my opinion.

          I don't think anyone has a problem with beliefs of anyone...Only when those are claimed as factuals truths...not as personal truths. There are things that I consider to be truths. But, I don't claim them to others as anything other than my personal truths (and normally add that disclaimer). So, I would guess that sometimes the perception would be that beliefs are being posted as factual truths, even if they are posted as personal truths and beliefs only.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yep I can buy that smile

          2. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I can go with that partly DS..

            I do personally believe the things I say as absolute truths.

            Just as everyone comes to what they believe is true because they think it is an absolute truth, or they either believe you make truth.

            I can say that "I" believe it is an absolute truth.

            The "I" is the personal part. I don't intend to make anyone believe something they choose not to. I may have pressed too hard in the past, but it was never my intention to make anyone do anything.

            I personally believe they are factual truths. Other's can disagree as they have their own personal belief of factual truth.

            So I agree that it is my personal belief, but if I were to say I believe it only applies to me.. Well, then I really would be a liar wouldn't I?

            But I agree that the things which I believe are factual, are MY beliefs.

            wink

            1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
              DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Ok. I understand your points...But, remember others on this site also have beliefs that they consider to be truths as well. And chances are, even if you share similar beliefs, at one point or another you will find differences. If we are going to educate each other to what our beliefs are and expect them to respect our right to hold those beliefs, then we must in turn show them the same courtesies.

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                My goodness. I do believe we've come to a complete understanding DS..


                If you see me out of line with what I've agreed, you point it out to me.. wink


                smile

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          just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hey Vector..I felt compelled to respond to this. Because you said that same thing to me once. I think we all come into the forum and look at all of the topics under the primary heading. It looks like you think everyone should click on the subcategories. I doubt you do that, or anyone else either.

          You're going to wear yourself thin trying to argue this crazy stand. I only say this because I watched a guy run around a thread trying to disprove god about a month ago. It gets ugly. You should stop while you're behind. smile

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            "I doubt you do that, or anyone else either."

            For starters, more assumptions. You doubt wrong. I'm not like everyone and therefore my actions can't be predicted by others.



            "You should stop while you're behind."


            And this is EXACTLY the thing I have a problem with.

            Do I tell you what to do? Do I tell you what to think? Or post? Or not to post?

            NO. I don't. The whole shove what I want you to think and do in your face.... Is getting old.

            Bombarded with the same repetitious comments telling others they are wrong and to hush and to not do this and not believe that.

            "It gets ugly."

            Yes... It does when people start telling other people what they should and should not do.

            I would like to hear what other people think themselves. Not what they think about what I think. I don't put down their thoughts, and would like them not to put down mine.

            And telling me to "stop" is attempting to silence me. I find that very disturbing.

            1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
              Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              vector, I completely agree.

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              just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Vector.  Yes, I see this.. You are unique..most of that was just a joke, making light of this whole thing.. And it appears you've taken offense.

              Wait..I take it back. It seems everyone here wants to feel persecuted. So it appears you are more like others than you believe yourself to be. smile

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes. We can see you take people's right to state their opinion without being demeaned light.

                And telling other people that they should quit posting their opinion because you think it's irrelevant.

                Yes. I see exactly how much everything is a joke to you.

                Until you are the one with the problem...

                "I have spent a lifetime counting to three and smiling through gritted teeth at this type of hateful mentality, but I remained quiet because it was simply directed at me."

                -just_curious

                And then nothing is a joke and everyone else is the problem..

                No. I think maybe you should say what you mean and mean what you say and forget the joking, IF you want people to actually know what you are attempting to convey..


                And not only. I believe it's a double standard to become upset about someone stating their opinion.

                And THEN expect me to be delighted when you tell me I don't deserve to post my opinion..


                Attempting to point these double standards out to you is getting very, very, verrry tiresome...

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                  just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Vector, you really really need to lighten up. I have never advocated that anyone should not state their mind.And I think you know this. If I find a post reflects a brutish mentality, I will respond. I have never seen your posts come off that way and, quite frankly, I was surprised you stepped up in support of him.

                  Anyway, I'm on a droid right now. I can't see the rest of your post. If I somehow gave you the impression that I thought you had no right to speak, you misunderstood my intent. I have already said I was going to stop offering apologies. No one else does, no matter the need. So, if you were offended, get over it. smile

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    "So, if you were offended, get over it."

                    Let me help you..

                    "So, if you were annoyed, get over it."

                    Much better.

                    smile

        3. nightwork4 profile image60
          nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          when i ask a question on any section in here, religious folks answer using god as a reference or an example. when i ask how the world will be in 100 years, religious people throw their silly concepts of how judgement day is coming and in 100 years the planet will be nothing like it is now. if that's ok then why have a problem with an athiest speaking their minds about questions asked in the religious forums?

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You seem to be overlooking the problem I'm attempting to point out...

            "So - It is not worth trying to stop it?"

            -Mark Knowles


            Notice anything?


            That is not just his opinion. That is him trying to "stop" us from posting ours.

            He doesn't want to just state what he thinks.

            He wants harass us because he doesn't want us to post our opinion..



            They are welcome to speak their minds.

            The childish repetition, name calling, and attempts to "stop" us from stating anything we think is what we don't particularly welcome.


            smile

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry you don't think it is a good idea to try and stop the conflicts.

              Quote me out of context in order to make it look as though I said something I did not again. I love it when Christians demonstrate their "moral code." lol

              No wonder your religion has caused so many conflicts. sad

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                "Sorry you don't think it is a good idea to try and stop the conflicts."

                Full context..

                May I state my opinion?

                Or is that your "conflict" because you don't like my opinion?

                smile

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Let the atheists agnostics skeptics join the discussion here; only expose their untruthfulness with reason and rational arguments; that would be polite.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It would also be impossible.

        The only thing that gets exposed here is the gullibility of the terminally religious. lol

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          and the insanity behind the atheism lol

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The word you wanted was reality. smile

            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              actually no.
              In the face of the bible, reality takes a second seat to the one who created the reality. This is displayed frequently. Even the future is predictable to God.
              the waves and wind stop at Gods whim. How can they? Do they have ears or an intellect to control their own actions? No. So God must work at a molecular level, which is where everything is created from.
              therefore do i say, that to believe only in reality is limited thinking and to put reality as being above God or in place of God, in my opinion, is insanity.
              no buzzer cuz im feelin all lovey dovey smile

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Are you implying that god attacked Japan? lol

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Waiting...................

                  1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
                    SomewayOuttaHereposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    ...i'm over here...i'm waiting too....

                    http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Waiting---460.jpg

                2. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  lol
                  this is the response i get.
                  Am i implying that God attacked japan

                  I have less and less regard for your ability to comprehend with every post from you.

                  answer: nope.

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You claimed your god controls the elements, then you don't have the honesty to admit it. Don't you read your own posts?
                    Want me to go get your post again so you can see for yourself.
                    In truth you left it unanswered because you did not have the goolies to deal with it.

          2. nightwork4 profile image60
            nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            how can not believing in something that you can nither see, hear, smell, taste or actually feel be insane. i may be wrong but those kinds of beliefs are what usually cause some people to end up in nut-houses.

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Do I need to go over Marconi's story with you too??

              smile

              1. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, please do, this should be interesting. smile

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "You are lying, again. Marconi was never locked up for inventing wireless radio telegraph."

                  -Beelzedad


                  "It may interest you to know that Marconi's "friends" had him taken
                  into custody, and examined in a psychopathic hospital, when he announced he had discovered a principle through which he could send messages through the air, without the aid of wires, or other direct physical means of communication. The dreamers of today fare better."

                  - Napoleon Hill

                  THINK and GROW RICH



                  Yes. Please do claim things don't exist because you cannot see them at the present time.

                  For they did not have tools for radio waves then, and prior to radios thought it ridiculous to consider transfer of information through the air.

                  But now, we see how ridiculous it was to consider that just because we couldn't [past tense] see something, doesn't mean we won't [future tense] see something...

                  roll

                  And stop lying and then calling me the liar...

                  smile

                  1. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Ah, so Marconi was NOT locked up as you originally claimed. So, you did lie.

                    Of course, your quote comes from one book and is not substantiated anywhere else.

                    But, the fact is you did lie.



                    Radio waves obviously have a measurable and tangible effect, whether we can see them or not. Of course, you dishonestly use this as a support your irrational beliefs.



                    The evidence of your lies is in many of your posts, and they have been exposed one by one. smile

      2. Cagsil profile image84
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol So, now anyone who doesn't believe a god exists is untruthful(for a better word- liars) themselves.

        The pot calling the kettle? lol

      3. Woman Of Courage profile image59
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        paar, Do you mean the atheists should join the discussion by fighting christians who are discussing their faith in the forums? Barging in the forums and attacking believers because of their faith is not hardly a discussion.

    6. Hubpages Hubber profile image61
      Hubpages Hubberposted 5 years ago in reply to this

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      1. dingdondingdon profile image60
        dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "Even more funnier stuff" is not correct grammar. I would expect better from the Almighty. sad

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol

          Look, ding adopted Mark's pouty face..

          lol

      2. superwags profile image80
        superwagsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You'd think god would be grammatically impecable - I'm disgusted. D minus God, back to school.

        1. dingdondingdon profile image60
          dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Do you think the Lord realizes that the angels behind him are laughing at his terrible grammatical faux pas and not the book?

          1. superwags profile image80
            superwagsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            And god said unto the angels, "this book isn't not good. I want a gooder one."

            I'm so disgusted that I put my foot through the screen of my laptop and sent the church the bill.

  2. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    You got to admit that their are some posters that are somewhat fascist, and will not allow the lesser versed types to post, so convinced are they apparently, that opposing views to their own are a danger to world.

    1. Cagsil profile image84
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Delusion is a danger to the world. Is it not?

    2. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "...opposing views to their own are a danger to world."

      The opposing view is not the issue, nor is it a danger.

      The way it is gone about is, as I just tell what I believe, while they tell me what to believe.

      Notice the difference?

      smile

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        vector, Exactly, It's a big difference.

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    just_curiousposted 5 years ago

    Vector, shame on you. Everyone has a right to be here and, think about it. How much fun would you be having without the atheist presence? Who would you call beelzebub? Who would you warn of hell? Think of all the scripture you wouldn't have the opportunity to post. You love us. That's what you said anyway. smile

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "Everyone has a right to be here..."

      Good point, just like I have rights to believe things without being demeaned because I state so. Right?


      "You love us. That's what you said anyway."

      I do love you, not the constant accusations though.


      smile

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        just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I agree that no one should feel demeaned. That being said; you made a comment that one of the christians on another thread calling non believers heathens wasn't harsh. I think the comments were demeaning. The point being, it appears everyone does it and feels justified when that do, and receive support for doing it. I'm afraid it may simply be you're feeling demeaned when, maybe, that isn't what an atheist thinks is happening.

        And, you have to admit, telling people they are headed for hell is an accusation that you think they've done something wrong. Again, a different point of view; which you feel justified in having.

        It's all relative. smile

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "Telling people they are headed for hell is an accusation that you think they've done something wrong."

          Yes but I don't chase them around telling them.. 'Your going to Hell.' ... 'Your going to Hell.' .... 'Your going to Hell.'

          Post a scripture that I believe is true on a forum dealing with "The Bible" means "I" believe it.

          If they don't think it's true, then how can they be threatened?

          That's like saying I believe I'm not going to exist when I die just because they believe God doesn't exist.

          I'm not threatened because of what they think, and I don't tell them not to think God doesn't exist.




          "That being said; you made a comment that one of the christians on another thread calling non believers heathens wasn't harsh."

          No I most certainly didn't. And those are the accusations I don't like. You didn't even quote him about it like I asked.

          The explanation is simple, as the definition is someone who doesn't acknowledge the God of the Bible. They don't acknowledge the God of the Bible.

          That's like saying it's offensive to call me white when I am white.


          smile

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            just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Ok. I looked. you are right. You said you didn't think it was a hateful mentality to refer to non believers as heathens. Since the definition can mean an uncivilized person, I think it's hateful.

            As to the rest. It is simply something you will have to deal with. Stop being so negative. You have an opportunity to profess and defend your faith. They are arguing what they know to be true. We all have a chance to share our views. Everybody wins.

            Besides. It's the christian thing to do. Many of these people don't feel comfortable sharing their thoughts in the real world. You should be kind and considerate, in the face of what you consider to be adversity.

            This place would be boring without all of the voices and you know it. It would be about as interesting as the pets or relationships forums. smile

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              "We all have a chance to share our views."

              That's exactly my point. I want to see people who believe in God be ABLE to share their views without being called names and told to hush because they are spreading lies.

              Our beliefs are our beliefs. And no one has the right to tell us not to talk, just like we don't tell them to stop posting what they believe.

              smile

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You were saying?



                Your word I believe.

                "Then don't come, just like all the other "rational" people who don't like Christianity done when they very clearly read the title...

                Please explain your "mission"..."

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes. Exactly.

                  Don't come if all you want to do is tell other people not to post what they think and believe.

                  smile

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Read what you posted.

                    "Our beliefs are our beliefs. And no one has the right to tell us not to talk, just like we don't tell them to stop posting what they believe."
                    But you do don't you? lol

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                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Vector. I didn't read the whole exchange between you and Ernest when he responded to your comment to me, but he made a very good point. Your beliefs are yours, and you revel in the joy of sharing them. Yet you would silence every other voice.

                Christianity is an option. It is not the only way. People have a right to be heard.

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "Yet you would silence every other voice."

                  You should really consider reading the rest of my posts in this thread before stating obviously false claims...

                  roll

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Vector, now that isn't fair. I cannot be expected to read everything you say. You say a WHOLE lot of things. I'd spend all day trying to keep up. I can only go by the conversations we have.

                    Anyway, truce? This is really silly, don't you think? I get your frustration, but I think everyone gets frustrated. Across the board. It'll pass. smile

              3. nightwork4 profile image60
                nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                the irony here is that as a kid i was beaten for telling a minister that god wasn't real. people are hurt everyday for going against their religious background. religion has hurt millions of people in the name of god but somehow debating religion isn't right or just. please,.

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Christ Jesus never hurt anyone. Nor have His teachings of love..

                  Don't compare your parents actions with those of Christ's and people who believe in love.


                  And disrespect is a very common problem with people today. I'm not saying your parents were right. I'm saying just because you don't believe in God, doesn't mean you get to tell everyone else what to do with their brains.

                  What don't you understand about everyone gets to have their own opinion?

                  You think because you can't see God you get to be dictator and push your ideas into everyone's heads?

                  How do you think you get to choose what you believe, but we don't get to choose what we believe?



                  We already know what you think. And we would love to discuss why...

                  But we don't get to do that because of all the false accusations like that personal junk you posted about your parents like it applies to all of humanity or something.

                  Debate and stop making accusations..

                  smile

  4. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    "Delusion is a danger to the world. Is it not?" Ah yes you are the missionary. Think we have had this argument before. And I don't mind having it again. Bit of a stretch. Eat all your dinner because there are children starving in China.

    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/themarbleintheoatmeal/smilies/watchdrama8jm.gif

      1. Cagsil profile image84
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Missionary? lol You're too funny. lol lol
        I'm not sure we have. tongue
        What is? People who are delusional are harmful to others.
        Nice sarcasm. Meaningless, but not completely unexpected.

        <span>

        lol lol

  5. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    Its not that Atheists or Hindu's or Christians shouldnt be here ( I think)...


    It is quite simply why  do Atheists feel the need to chair the meeting lol  lol


    Sure by all means jump in wherever and add too,or refute ,or cheer on ,but every single post ,its like a watching a game of ping pong tennis roll

    I would like to see them begin a thread or two of their own,or dont they talk to each other?

    1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
      Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god. An atheist forum would be like a forum for people who dont collect stamps.

      Sounds a little bit silly dont you think?

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Point made. Simply here to shove ideas..

        smile

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol  lol  lol


        Sorry that tickled my fancy.


        So maybe you can answer this for me.


        Why refute a fact you dont believe is true?

        Mock a God that they say doesnt exist?


        Could it really be that Atheists dont want Christians to have a voice?

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Refute a fact? You're funny. I'm sorry- "God" is not a fact. It is something believed true. Just because something is believed true does not make it fact. Nor does it make it truth.
          It's not mocking a god that doesn't exist. It is trying to explain to those who claim the existence of one is improbable.
          First, are you human? If so, then you have a voice. I don't care if you're Christian or not.

          You have a right to say what you want. But, I reserve the same right to keep the conversation based on reality and keep it away from mysticism which was debunked as not real.

          1. brotheryochanan profile image60
            brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            yah i went into the math forum and started talking geography with them

            lol
            after a while they wanted me to leave and not come back
            lol
            but i persisted! The door was open and the sign said PUBLIC
            lol
            odd, we never agree that 2+2= north america
            lol
            they are such fools in the math department
            lol
            they tell me i am wrong
            lol
            i won't let them silence me, I am on a mission that they cannot purport their insane math ideas!!!!
            lol
            geography rules and thats that. Why? because its more realistic!
            lol
            i can see land and water
            i can't see math except on a chalkboard or a BOOK written by man
            lol
            dem sum krazee peps
            lol
            math dunnit
            lol

            1. Cagsil profile image84
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You're just a prime example. Nothing new. lol

              1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Primes do not exist they are just a man made idea! written by some ignorant shepherd
                lol

                1. nightwork4 profile image60
                  nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  sort of like god and the bible yet you believe in it with all your heart. math was created by man and is based on facts created by man so to say that 2+2=north america doesn't make sense. the whole point is that it is reality whereas religion is based on aasumption and belief.

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    We can see where your logic gets you.

                    Things go right over the top of your head don't they?

                    roll

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol

              1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                yah....
                hilarious huh

                some didn't see the depth. You're a smart one  wink

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  My sense of humour has definately increased. lol

                  In a loving way of course. ahem cool

                  1. vector7 profile image59
                    vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    lol

                    I'm with you.

                    cool

            3. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol

        2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
          Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yes they don't want christians to have a voice. smile

    2. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "I would like to see them begin a thread or two of their own,or dont they talk to each other?"

      lol

      Good point...

      smile

    3. Woman Of Courage profile image59
      Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Kiwi, I guess they think christians should be doormats, and allow them to walk all over us. smile I would love to see an atheist thread also.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Just look back a little, there have been such threads here in the past. smile
        You may even learn something. smile

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I think were done with you shoving your personal learning down our throats.

          We don't live by your rules, and we are sorry you don't like it but it's not going to make us think what you want us to.

          You science is irrelevant to us. That is a fact.

          But keep shoving, I'm sure no one will notice...

          Learn something. roll..

          Maybe learn to agree we are different and you can't force your thoughts into our brains.

          There is something for you to learn.

          smile

          1. dingdondingdon profile image60
            dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Science is not irrelevant to you. It is relevant to everyone, and the reason many of us are alive today, whether you like it or not.

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I'm speaking of the science that isn't even fully put together yet.

              Millions of years this, and billions of years that..

              Someone here stated humans are flawed. He is right. But you think you can measure things in millions and billions and be accurate??

              Give me a break. I think we have a lot of amazing information. But we are limited.

              I love science. But none of you can give me a reason for how life initially came about.

              And if you do... It's a theory.. Puff it up, blow up the balloon, try to make it look good all you want. THEORY.

              Just something you BELIEVE...

              smile

              1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
                Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                "But none of you can give me a reason for how life initially came about. "

                Abiogenesis.

                Yes it is a theory, and no I dont "believe" that it happened like that due to lack of evidence although the main point here, is that the theory of abiogenesis demonstrates how life can arise from non life and do so completely within the parameters of physics.

                This basically shows that no magic force was necessary to poof life into existance. It can happen on its own, within the laws of physics.

                You might also want to look into the research conduted last year where scientists created self replicating and mutating RNA strands from mere, non living chemicals.

                You might say they created life.

                Of course Im pretty sure you wont.

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I could give you a reason ,but I doubt whether youd like it(based on your other posts) ,so wont bother.

                  Why ask questions ,that you only want to disagree with?

                  Makes no sense.

                  1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
                    Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I wasnt asking a question, I was answering one???hmm

              2. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Sounds more like you are speaking about things in which you have little understanding.



                How important is it for that kind of accuracy when you're talking about billions of years, for example, to be off by a few million or so years?

                Does that lack of accuracy somehow support your argument for complete refutation of the evidence and your claims that your god exists?



                Why is it always the most fervent believers are the ones say "we are limited"?



                Then, you contradict yourself when you say you love science.



                Then it should be no surprise based on your rationale that believing in gods waving their magic hands is no more plausible than the theories you dismiss. smile

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "Then, you contradict yourself when you say you love science."

                  I do love science. Have you checked out the Clarifying Christianity page linked to from my page?

                  Scientific. Scientific. Scientific..




                  "Why is it always the most fervent believers are the ones say "we are limited"?"

                  You are limited.

                  Can you travel to even one single other planet in your very own galaxy?

                  Can you see every galaxy in existence?

                  Can you live on the sun?

                  Mankind can't even get beyond their very own earth's crust to study the mantle. It's too hot. And you think you aren't limited???  lol




                  "Does that lack of accuracy somehow support your argument for complete refutation of the evidence and your claims that your god exists?"

                  No. It supports that you have no further indication of having all the answers than do I.

                  And no matter if you did, our opinions are still granted, wrote up by our founding fathers no doubt. But you don't believe in what they do I suppose either... The American thing you know? Freedom..

                  You state your opinion, I'll state mine.

                  smile

                  1. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, I saw that and was laughing my head off as the site tried to explain why the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

                    Garbage. Garbage. Garbage.



                    What utter ridiculous examples. Living on the sun? lol



                    No, you'll state your indoctrinated beliefs. And, you will not consider them opinions but instead the absolute truth. And, nowhere in your scriptures will it explain how to live on the sun. smile

  6. Lisa HW profile image83
    Lisa HWposted 5 years ago

    I'm not particularly saying I'm an atheist, but I'd think "religion and beliefs" or "religion and philosophy" includes the beliefs and/or philosophies of people who don't believe the same things religious people believe.  Religion, beliefs, and philosophies can all be either very personal matters, or else be public, social, or political matters. Either way, I don't see why people of any belief system would be excluded from discussing such subjects.  (Generally, I don't discuss any of that stuff on here - but obviously, lots of other people want to and ought to if that's what they want to discuss.  Diverse opinions are what make discussions/debates "dialogues" instead of "monologues".  A lot of people like that.  smile

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Discussion is fine.

      The attempted forcing to make Christians believe and say what they want us to believe and say is the problem..

      I don't mind them stating what they think.

      I don't want them telling me what to think.


      smile

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree dialogue must continue between different sections of the society.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Where have any religionists attempted to do that? Like many others I have posted plenty of peer reviewed information that has links to real information. In two years neither myself, Mark, Cagsil or any others have ever had a single person read them then make an intelligent rebuttal.
        No, you guys are not open to learn anything.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ditto

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            By ditto do you mean you are the same as the others I mentioned.

            Where is your evidence peer reviewed, I have posted dozens, I have never seen one reply from you to any of them or any non biblical source for any of what you have posted.

            Using a book to prove itself true is hardly scientific!

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              We don't "believe" in scientific facts that need correction every week.

              Need I say again.. "Faith"

              You are trying to "push" .. "scientific fact" on us.  You cannot prove God is not there. Never will.

              You may claim evolution. But who cares, the fact still remains that doesn't mean there isn't a God even if it was possibly true...

              Your telling us to stop having faith. Which is telling us what to do..

              FAITH

              smile

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I have heaps of faith that your faith is unfounded and based on a myth. smile

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  We appreciate your opinion.

                  It is noted...

                  smile

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hey vector. I'm curious what exact sect of christianity do you hail from?

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I will promote Christianity-ok with you?

        2. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          How many times do you need to hear "faith" before your brain understands it is a word with a meaning?

  7. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    "away from mysticism which was debunked as not real." I am mystic and a Pagan.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You dont count either lol

      J/k


      See what I mean ,by wanting to chair the meeting roll

      1. Cagsil profile image84
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It's not about chairing the meeting EK and you should know it.

        It's about being on the same page within the confines of reality, because there is nothing outside of it.

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "It's about being on the same page..."

          To be on the same page you would have to tell us what to think.

          You don't want us to believe what we want to. You want us to believe what YOU want us to believe.

          Stop pushing your beliefs on people.... It causes conflicts..

          lol

          1. Cagsil profile image84
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No, not actually. But, it would be nice if you understood more about the human species than you do presently.
            You can believe whatever you like. However, when you open your mouth to discuss them, the conversation must remain within reality, because it must be rational, sane and logical. You spouting of things you believe true, but are not actually true, is by definition lying.
            Actually, I would hope that you wouldn't even have a clue as to what my beliefs are to begin with. You keep interpreting my statements as a belief, which would be wrong. I don't share my beliefs, especially when it comes to life topics.

            My beliefs are my business and you have no need to know what they are.
            I don't. It's your skewed view that things everyone is just like you, spreading their beliefs.

            It goes to show how one-dimensional your thinking is.

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              "My beliefs are my business and you have no need to know what they are."

              That's not a very smart statement, as your "beliefs" are posted all over this site by you already..

              lol

              1. Cagsil profile image84
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Your statement goes to show you lack any honest with self.

                Here is one of my beliefs okay? I believe the RedSox are going to win the world series. It could be true, it could be false, but will most certainly be answered either way.

                I don't spread my beliefs, because my beliefs are personal. I usually don't bother telling anyone what my beliefs are, because I refuse to argue about my beliefs.

                I do however, pass along things which I have learned over the course of my life and every experience I have had, can be explained in language that is understandable to each person who reads what I write.

                You can claim a god all you like. And, while you do so, I will take pleasure informing the improbability of one to exist is non-existent.

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Your a bottomless pit of endless, useless, circling words..

                  I don't know why I bother.

                  I still love you buddy..

                  Have a good one Cag..

                  smile

                  1. Cagsil profile image84
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    It's your usage of language which is getting you into trouble. Yeah, quit while you're behind.

  8. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    "He hated Jews for goodness sake!!"
    Jews as the chosen people. Germans as the master race.

  9. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    "See what I mean ,by wanting to chair the meeting". Thought that was a really astute comment. Guess it gives a psychological bent.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Theres a compliment in there I think ,lol ,ty wink

      Pulls up a chair to take the minutes lol

  10. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    "of reality, because there is nothing outside of it." Who gets to define reality?

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree..

      smile

    2. Cagsil profile image84
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The collective knowledge of humankind. wink

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That kind of thinking is what was wrong when humankind thought the earth was flat....

        Goodness.

        smile

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Correct. So what's your point. Humans are flawed, just like you.

          But, like I've said a good hundred times-

          Life doesn't require any knowledge of any god, to be understood.
          Life doesn't require any knowledge of any god, to be lived.

          Therefore, no god required.

          1. brotheryochanan profile image60
            brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            sound of the buzzer!

            Life does not require any knowledge of God, (correct) to be understood (incorrect) Life doesn't require any knowledge of any god (correct) to be lived (incorrect)
                                        lets look at the corrects first:
            People go through life without knowledge of God. (setting aside the fact that pretty much everybody has some knowledge of God). Yes they do and some have nice, comfy lives. Now compared to the bibles teachings, this is NOT the life that GOD wants to give them.
                summary, life does not need, require, demand any knowledge, understanding of god to exist day by day until cessation from this life and all that life had to offer them. A life not so good for some and great for others. I can drink water and go to the bathroom and function at my job without the knowledge of god. Yep.
                                                 lets look at the uncorrects:
            Since i previously mentioned that God does not want to give us THIS life, which is the life you suggested, we need to take note of the life that God wants to give us, so there must be another life that your post does not account for.
               rephrase:
            Existence on this planet and daily living doesn't require knowledge of god to be understood or lived BUT to live the life that God wants to give, knowledge of God is paramount.

            can you dig what the rock (jesus christ) is cooking!!?

            1. Cagsil profile image84
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              All you're good for is mocking. Again, nothing new.

              1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                and this is what you bring to the forum
                better to be mocked than bored to tears
                nothing new from you either
                lol

                i actually have two kinds of posts, mocking and answering of course you haven't perceived the other.

  11. What's News profile image50
    What's Newsposted 5 years ago

    Cagsil you're always in here downing someone for believing in God and yeah I meant to capitalize that.

    1. Cagsil profile image84
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting. I don't know you. However, apparently you've paid close enough attention to my posts, to warrant the above post.

      Okay, no problem. So, apparently you want attention now and now you have it. What can I do for you?

      As for downing people for believing in a god. If you want to see it as that, then what I say or do isn't going to change that. You apparently have an issue with me, otherwise, you wouldn't have posted.

      So, if you want to, I'll give you a hint. There is no god. The god people claim exists, supposedly exists in another realm, outside of reality. They make claims god is a spirit, but fail to realize that "spiritual" is mysticism and it's not real.

      So, what next?

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "My beliefs are my business and you have no need to know what they are."

        "So, if you want to, I'll give you a hint. There is no god."


        Not two minutes goes by and you contradict yourself yet again...


        smile

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No contradiction. Your skewed view is seeing something not there. wink

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That is your repeated phrase when you do contradict yourself.

            Telling me I'm skewed is a last resort.

            " wink "

            1. Cagsil profile image84
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              It's not a last resort, when YOU THINK everyone has beliefs only.

              Sad, but you would be wrong as usual.

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        There is no God to you? does not mean there is no God.

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Do you know how pathetically ridiculous that statement is? roll

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The question was not pathetic nor ridiculous to me. Oh does that mean you choose not to answer?

            1. Cagsil profile image84
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Your question wasn't a question- There is no god for you. It's just like your following statement- does not mean there is not a god.

              Neither were actually a question, even though you put a question mark on it.

              You have "hope" and "faith", not knowledge and understanding of your own life. Thus, you gave into the spiritualism of mysticism.

              But, nice try. On a side note- how many people, you included, have made the claim that a god exists, and it governs everyone.

              Yet, in your two statements above, you are claiming "individual" god. If that was the case, then you've opened the door to an infinite possibility of any number of gods.

              So that would make the FSM just as likely as your god.

              And, you don't claim there is an infinite number of gods, but claim to know just one exists. This is irrational thinking.

              If the probability wasn't non-existent then I would say okay, there is a possibility of a god. But, there isn't a probability of one.

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                A very wordy response indeed.

                Lots and lots of words.

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  lol

                  Isn't it...


                  smile

            2. Cagsil profile image84
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I'll answer any question you want to give me. If I am able to answer it, then I shall. If it is something I've yet to learn, then don't be surprised.

              I am ignorant in some things, just not life itself. The topic, I have covered.

              I am also smart enough to realize that all questions can be answered, while being wise enough to understand that not all questions will have a need to be answered, and that the answer to certain questions "no need to be answered" is actually the answer.

              1. Timothy Donnelly profile image41
                Timothy Donnellyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hi Cagsil. FYI, respectfully, the LDS faith (me included) believes that God is a person, and Jesus Christ is a resurrected Living, Glorified (by His Father) immortal person, with flesh and Spirit reunited. Only some religions of Christiandom say that God is just a Spirit. We say that He Is a Spirit, AND a corporeal being. Perhaps that would be eaiser for you to consider. Nice to have your (I think) interest. Peace.

        2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So, if you want to, I'll give you a hint. There is no god. The god people claim exists, supposedly exists in another realm, outside of reality. They make claims god is a spirit, but fail to realize that "spiritual" is mysticism and it's not real.


          "There is no god" say you Cags.

          Saying there is no god ,does not make it so.(Me)

          1. Cagsil profile image84
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            But the collective knowledge available to humankind does. So you are wrong.

            The probability doesn't even exist anymore. Get it? hmm

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Collective what? lol

              I get what you are trying to say ,I just dont agree with you.

              Do you get that smile

              1. Cagsil profile image84
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I understand that. You choose ignorance over learning. I get it. It was one of my many reasons for writing the hub I wrote on it.

                "Is It Chosen Ignorance or Lack of Knowledge" wink

                If you are insulted, don't be. It's not meant as an insult. In some aspects, everyone is ignorant to an extent or on some level.

                But, to actively choose ignorance over learning is a conscious choice, which apparently you lack understanding of the consequence, which actually isn't anything new for me, but might be new to you.

                The choices you make have rippling effects throughout the world. Every interaction you have with another, sends off ripples, to all who see or hear what you say or do.

                That might be too much for you to grasp, and if so, I apologize. The average person has no worldview.

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I am unique actually, as you and everyone else is.

                  No I am not insulted. I already know my worth, and my knowledge is sufficent for now.

                  Thankyou for your concerns though.

  12. vector7 profile image59
    vector7posted 5 years ago

    Truth? Conway was yet another indoctrinated religionist. Read his history as well!

    "He is now a member of the Anglican Diocese of New Westminster's Refugee Liaison Committee."

    -earnesthub


    Yeah. You would attempt to discredit an unbiased wiki page with more than once source..

    And I'm sure Adolf's actions portray his absolute humbleness which Christ taught. He was so into loving even his enemies... roll


    smile

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Read Conway's history, then read hitler's.

      There is nothing unusual about believers being violent psychopaths is there? smile

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I guess you're going to tell me he didn't murder millions of Jews?

        smile

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Why would you draw such a conclusion? Are you prepared to use any tactic at all to further your nonsense including calling others who don't believe as you do holocaust deniers??
          You really hit bottom here!

          1. vector7 profile image59
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Nonsense. I said no such a thing. I never said you denied anything.

            I ASKED you. And you side stepped the question, and put words in my mouth.

            I'm not using anything. I'm stating a point.



            My point is that Hitler obviously does not believe in Christianity.

            Christ teaches to love even your enemies. Hitler "hated" the Jews..

            Therefore, he was not a believer in the religion you claim he believed in.

            Simple.

            smile

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              What sort of argument is that? A no-show entity who never wrote a word in it's supposed life said so?
              The entity you put so much of your life into does not even exist. The christ story is repeated from all the other fanatical nonsense that preceded it.
              What a crock! lol
              I did not sidestep anything, you attempted to make me look like a holocaust denier, and that is disgusting.
              You obviously did no research on either hitler or the religionist you support.

              1. vector7 profile image59
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Are you lost?

                The question is not about Christ.

                IT IS ABOUT HITLER CLAIMING CHRIST AND BEING RELIGIOUS OR NOT.

                It doesn't matter if it's real or not. It's a RELIGION. You're off on a tangent.



                The point is Hitler claimed Christianity to use and twist it's already in place power.

                Then was attempting to abolish it (THE RELIGION) BECAUSE HE DIDN'T BELIEVE IN IT.

                Back on track yet??

                He murdered millions of Jews, which is in complete opposition to what Christ taught (in SCRIPTURE) whether anyone claims it real or not.

                I didn't attempt to make you look like anything. You're doing a mighty fine job of looking distracted all by yourself..

                roll

      2. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        earnest
        you were a believer once.. should i think that you are a violent psychopath?

        I don't think i want to read the answer to that

        smile

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The operative word is "once"

          1. brotheryochanan profile image60
            brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            things are usually better the second time around. Few humans can do anything with any measure of success the first time. smile

  13. What's News profile image50
    What's Newsposted 5 years ago

    What's next is that you spout off all this crap like "mysticism" and "your god" and you sit behind your computer all day telling people God isn't real. WHY DO YOU SPEND SO MUCH TIME DOING THIS????

    Why not just let people have their beliefs. There has to be more to it than you're bored and have nothing better to do. You're always so full of hate and anger simply because someone chooses to believe in God.

    1. Cagsil profile image84
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, I don't spend all day here. I do have the page for the forums open, but I'm not here all day on some days.
      Because, there isn't one. Sounds like a good enough reason.
      I have no problem with their beliefs to be honest. I have a problem with them making the claim that is true or truth. When, they themselves cannot prove to themselves beyond a shadow of doubt. Doubt is human nature and it cannot be completely erased. Doubt is the failing humans cannot get over. So, that leaves "faith" or "hope" of an afterlife or a god. Nothing more.
      There is more too it and it's on a need to know basis and you have no need to know.
      Hate and anger? You're not too observant. But, if you says so.

  14. What's News profile image50
    What's Newsposted 5 years ago

    So, this makes you the religion police? Having to run around all day proving to the people that God isn't real.

    1. Cagsil profile image84
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Religion police? roll

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol

        Rolling your eyes at what you do?

        That's hilarious...

        smile

        1. Cagsil profile image84
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not a policeman. And if you see my actions as a police state, then you must have an inferior complex going on.

  15. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    No god, no fairies, no Santa, no tooth fairy, no living gnomes or goblins. smile

    1. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      agreed, except for the first one.

  16. aware profile image70
    awareposted 5 years ago

    not much  to do if you don't believe in stuff.

  17. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    But if I am so heavenly (or worldly minded) to be of any earthly use -what use am I to anyone.

  18. The Mad Aunt profile image60
    The Mad Auntposted 5 years ago

    I doubt they are all athiests. Most are agnostics, not believing until sure.  I suppose they come to debates like this because you ask a question of them, so maybe you would be a little disappointed if nobody rose to the bait.
    I don't believe in any god, but I do believe in good and bad, which is within us. Believing in a god tends to absolve people from any responsibility,in their minds at least. And there's that old chestnut about people doing wrong deeds all week then confessing on a Sunday.  Absolved from crime!

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "Believing in a god tends to absolve people from any responsibility..."

      Another assumption and false accusation about the way God works and how people are held accountable.


      "And there's that old chestnut about people doing wrong deeds all week then confessing on a Sunday.  Absolved from crime!"

      You actually think people that continue, and continue, and continue in sin have their sins forgiven over and over and over when they prove that they actually don't care???

      No, it works based on the man's (or woman's) heart. Do we fail, and do wrong things? Yes.

      When are we forgiven? When we ACTUALLY FEEL REMORSEFUL AND THEREBY SINCERELY DON'T WANT TO COMMIT SIN, especially the ones we are particularly guilty of.

      Wonderful how we can notice from a simple assumption based on the absence of any true knowledge of what the Bible teaches, how lies and rumors are spread.


      God knows who those people who commit a sin consciously thinking they will be forgiven while they enact on what they KNOW is wrong and do it anyway. They have no "remorse".

      And until they change within, they will not be forgiven. NOT absolved from any crime. With no exclamation point.

      That.. Is what the Bible teaches..

      smile

  19. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    I would not swap my life for the life of any religious loon I have ever seen.

    Poor cringing little sheeple, afraid to live their lives, making excuses for being human, lying constantly about "the good book" and what it says, hating all of mankind as sinners, pushing their crazed myth on one and all in the vane hope of convincing themselves when their own mind knows it is a pile of old cobblers, what sort of life is that?

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I dunno ,poor bugger whoever it is lol

    2. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You trying to tell me I'm not happy now?  lol

      My life is great. I live in a world in need of love.

      Which I intend to give..

      big_smile

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Ive never met a christian like earnest describes. I can barely see their faces for the huge smiles that reside thereupon.

        i'm the most joyous i've ever been and wish i had have done this from birth!
        Ahhh those wasted years....

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Amen..

          smile

        2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
          Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Amen. big_smile

      2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Vector, Agreed. smile It was the best day of my life when I accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior, and I have not regretted one day of it.

  20. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 5 years ago

    ...at the original post...just cuz....

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "nor care to discuss, but simply demean."

      You demean people.. "just cuz"??

      Wonderful someone admits..

      smile

  21. brotheryochanan profile image60
    brotheryochananposted 5 years ago

    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/4920986_f248.jpg

    Lets keep things in reality
    lol
    and
    lol
    seeing is believing

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    Mad Prophetposted 5 years ago

    To quote an atheist in forums, "I feel it is my obligation to spread my beliefs that there is no god to the benefit of mankind."  The sad reality is that these same atheists who have used this rhetoric logic fail to realize it sounds awfully similar to their other previous gripes on how they feel people of religion feel obligated to push their beliefs on them.  Kind of funny that its okay for them to spread their beliefs, but god forbid if a religious person does.  Then again, mankind has always been a hypocritical species.  This is what the MAD PROPHET foresees!

    1. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Nice quote..

      smile

  23. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 5 years ago

    ...i just liked this one....lol

    http://www.zawaj.com/askbilqis/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bizarro_atheists.jpg

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Oh you are a bad girl  lol

    2. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

  24. 0
    zampanoposted 5 years ago

    "Why do atheists spend so much time here?"

    Because those whom you call atheists are in reality evangelists deep in their souls.

    Nowdays you can't even get a good laugh out of one of these absurd discussions.

    It is also a NewWorldish attitude.
    Salesman attitude.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      We just want to stop the Nonsense and Conflicts. Don't you want to see peace? sad

      Still - at least we won't convert you at the point of a sword. wink

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "We just want to stop the Nonsense..."

        More admissions to shoving ideas down Christian's throats.


        Splendid..

        smile

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Just doing what you asked me to. You are treating others the way you want to be treated - right?

          I wonder if any of you have actually read this majik book. lol

          Dear me.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Are you suggesting a Bible study Mark wink

            1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
              DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I want in smile Which version are we going to use? (I am not being funny. We all need the same one, makes for an easier discussion)

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                lol Well I like the N.I.V but Im open to suggestions.

                The King James is a good study bible (but oh so boring ) lol

                1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
                  DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I got both of those. And about 10-12 others

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You choose then.

  25. 0
    zampanoposted 5 years ago

    Oh Brave Knight Knowles.
    Thou shalt not be able to stopeth Conflictual Nonsense.
    You have the Quixotesque attitude.

    lol

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So - It is not worth trying to stop it?

      OK - Unleash Hell!!! sad

      1. dutchman1951 profile image61
        dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        and.....

        out of no where a rock hits the windshield of the Popemobile!

      2. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "...trying to stop it?"

        Thank you for pointing out that you aren't here to state your personal opinion.

        But to force your opinion onto us, and attempt to force us to think what you think.


        smile

  26. dingdondingdon profile image60
    dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago

    I like discussing the Bible. I've always found it a very interesting book of stories. The fact that I don't believe it's true isn't so important - I don't believe Lord of the Rings is true either but I like to discuss it.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Same. I have been studying religion and psychology for many many years now, yet still enjoy discussing both. smile

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        But your posts rarely include anything without a reference to a fairy or santa claus..

        What's to discuss if your objective is only to dismiss it as useless?

        Rendering something not useful to discuss, is not discussing it.

        It is attempting to make it disappear..

        smile

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          i thought i read the word discussion too? and so i cleaned my glasses and the word is still there.
          But despite the evidence i still don't believe it.

      2. superwags profile image80
        superwagsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Agree, the bible is a fascinating book. I tend to find that the non-religous lot have a far better undertanding of the history of the bible and other religions than christians do. I guess there are a few uncomfortable truths about the good book!

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I've just been reading about Abraham in ancient texts - is claimed he was an Egyptian pharoah and an astrologer

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image86
            ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            they were all semetic

          2. superwags profile image80
            superwagsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            There's a fair amount of evidence from the Hebrew bible to suggest that in fact Abraham believed in more than one god, this wasn't unusual at the time of course, but it's claimed obviousy by Jews and Christians that it was he who firsat had the idea of one god.

            1. vector7 profile image59
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You just put "suggest" and "in fact" in the same sentence.

              Please choose what you intend to convey..

              smile

            2. 0
              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              so far, I've gathered that christianity was borrowed from zorosteraism (sp?) & Egyptian mythologies (and judaism which was borrowed from ugaritic texts.  Can anyone explain how this all fits together?

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                paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                And atheism gathered from confusion and doubts.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Nothing confusing or doubtful about not taking myths as reality.
                  No such thing as an atheist anyway, the word is a religious construct.
                  If there was such a thing as an atheist you would certainly be one!
                  You deny every god except yours, so that would make you an atheist by your own values! lol

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                    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    The Atheist could not coin a suitable name for them since inception; since they were not sure for themselves.

                    1. earnestshub profile image88
                      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Wrong again. The word is a religious construct. Do you have some sort of problem with reading and comprehension?
                      Do you think you would be a muslim if you were born in Arkansas?
                      I don't think so!

              2. brotheryochanan profile image60
                brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Zoroastrianism is a persian belief that believes in a god of good and a god of evil who are at war with each other. Sound familiar?
                It should
                This is why god was so determined before israel went into exile to express that there is only one God and none beside him. (isaiah 43:11, 44:6, 8; 45:5,6; 45:21, 47:8,10 and more)

                But it didnt work, the jews assimilated into the beliefs of their conquerors and hence afterward their faith became mingled with Z. This belief was in full effect when Jesus appeared on the scene.
                Demon possession too.

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                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                That's interesting. From my observation of christians on hub pages I assumed christianity was forged in the fires of hell. I wonder which take will prove to be correct.

                1. vector7 profile image59
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Another personal contradiction. You're building a reputation..

                  You said Hell does not exist. I can find the statements...

                  Respectfully. I would like it if you quit attempting to demean me.

                  And other Christians as well.

                  smile

                  1. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You demean yourself each time you fabricate lies to support your beliefs. smile

                    1. vector7 profile image59
                      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      lol

                      Sure. I fabricated the Bible...

                      roll

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Vector, hell is a simply a figure of speech here. I do not attempt to demean you. Christianity, as it is practiced by the masses, attempts to demean everyone else outside of their belief structure. Stop demeaning me and others and I will have no complaints at all about christianity. Fair deal?

    2. superwags profile image80
      superwagsposted 5 years ago

      I think atheists spend time on here for many of the reasons christians or any other god botherers do. A bit of fun.

      Aside from that, I think it's important that there is a point of view added from the side of logic. If a kid was to stumble across these forums then they'd be exposed to all sorts of awful BS from the religious bods without any moderating influence or reason being injected from the non-religious side.

      Any debate should have two opposing sides. I leave your forums where you debate specific christian points of view alone, but I'm not letting you spout crap about science or morality without someone to pull you up about it.

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "but I'm not letting you spout crap about science or morality without someone to pull you up about it."

        I'll give you your science. But the people who intend to tell me not to post scripture, or state my opinion can forget the notion.

        You want two opposing sides? Tell that to Mark, who thinks the other side should disappear.

        We talk about faith, and I did claim scientific fact as a part of my opinion. But lets face it, things can be manipulated by people quite easily.

        What cannot be manipulated, is what my Bible teaches. And therefore I will admittedly stick to it only and the faith I claim in it..

        There will not be any question about whether the words are from it or not, as I can quote very easily. And some even attempt to tell me not to quote the Bible. Apologies, not going to happen..

        And the Law of Moses, yes is strict, but was not meant for all of time. Otherwise God would have implemented it long before Moses..


        "Aside from that, I think it's important that there is a point of view added from the side of logic."

        What logic? The parting of the Red Sea? Plagues against Pharaoh? Jesus healing the blind? Jesus healing the sick? Jesus calming a raging storm in an instant? Jesus walking on water? Jesus making bread multiply to feed thousands? Jesus raising the dead?  Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead???

        Yes, you would need to force your logic in there to attempt to discredit the Bible. God transcends logic..

        That's why Jesus said He is the light of the world. Light transcends everything in the physical realm we know of. Including time itself..


        You state your opinion, and I'll state mine.



        smile

    3. manlypoetryman profile image69
      manlypoetrymanposted 5 years ago

      Q. Why do atheists spend so much time here?

      A. It is cheap "anger-management" therapy!

      1. Timothy Donnelly profile image41
        Timothy Donnellyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Lol, you're quite a card! I love ya, man. Nice to have you perusing this site Manlypoetry man. But of course, your comment does have a ring of truth to it. I have had the notion before.

    4. mega1 profile image82
      mega1posted 5 years ago

      who cares who is an atheist who is Christian or otherwise?  what are all the religious posts trying to prove?  I have always felt it is a private thing, the relationship between yourself and god, if any - I, for one, seldom come to the forums anymore because I'm sick of seeing obviously confrontational religious threads that serve no purpose other than to trumpet Christianity and it's so-called superiority - tired of it.

      1. vector7 profile image59
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        We see that..

        You're still here..

        smile

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Mega1
          Im tired of seeing insufficent funds ,so I quit checking my bank account too lol

          Moral of the story -dont go there roll

    5. vector7 profile image59
      vector7posted 5 years ago

      "You might also want to look into the research conduted last year where scientists created self replicating and mutating RNA strands from mere, non living chemicals."

      lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol


      Please ask me why I'm laughing..

      I'm begggging you..

      smile

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        tell us, why are you laughing?

        1. vector7 profile image59
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol

          Oh dear me..

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol  lol Oh I need some food!

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not a mind-reader - what's so funny?  The living from non-living?

     
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