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If anyone has any questions about Islam then Im the woman for you.

  1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
    KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago

    In the day and age we live in there is alot of misinformation out in the media about my religion, so I am doing my part as a good American citizen and try to shed some light on the situation.So please feel free to ask me about what ever is on your mind.

    1. BizGenGirl profile image87
      BizGenGirlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What is your favorite part about your religious path?

      1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        My favorite part would be the relationship that I have with God, in Islam we have direct access to him and there is no middle man involved. I can pray and talk to him from where ever I am and I know that He hears me, I  love to wake up in the middle of the night when the house is all quiet and everyone is sleep and just spend some one on one time worshipping and glorifying His auspicous name. There is no feeling like the calm that over takes you when you put aside worldly distractions and focus on your Creator.

        1. graceomalley profile image85
          graceomalleyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Thay sounds lovely. I'm happy for you.

    2. Beelzedad profile image59
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Are you saying the Quran and Hadiths are filled with misinformation?

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        marilynseepterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        hey Beelzedad, how going on, hope fine. i should remind you that Quran is the book nobody every proved its contain wrong information. But some so called scholar misinterpret the mining of Quran. My suggestion is to everybody open your heat to accept truth.
        One more comment is why i should give prove to you, its your duty to find the truth. Coz every human brain had brain, need to make it useful that's it
        Thank you.

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No one has proved it contains right information, either. So what?

          What it most certainly does contain the teaching of violence in forms of how Muslims deal with non-believers and the barbaric punishments to its followers.



          Sorry, but if your truth includes the violence taught and condoned in the Quran, it is not acceptable.



          The truth is in reality, not the Quran. smile

          1. mohitmisra profile image61
            mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Two sides to a coin, the source  or god  is One, All.
            There is immense wisdom as well in the Quran,possible by only a few ,I repeat immense wisdom.

            ,
            I am not particularly fond of some passage from holy texts but then the essence of god permeates these books , they are timeless, the mysteries of mankind and god is revealed .

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Sure, many holy books have some interesting ideas in them, although it is not to say those ideas were divinely inspired by their authors. They could just as easily be reasoned.



              Which god is revealed? Zeus? Thor? Arnarquagsag, queen of the Eskimo underworld? smile

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The Great Dougie Gilmour

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Come now, where would Dougie have ever been or gone without Roger?

              2. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The Great Dougie Gilmour

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          paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          We could help one another; helping one is a virtue.

    3. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this



      Well, many critical thinking people think that your God does not exist.  Can you prove that they have been misinformed?

      1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No I can not prove this to them and neither would I waste my time, my God is the same God of the Christians and Jews. Yes we may call Him by different names but He is still the same God.

        1. getitrite profile image80
          getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It would not be a waste of your time, IF you could actually prove it.



          Let me get this straight...you can't prove that your God is real, yet you want to confirm His existence by referencing other imaginary Gods.

          What a waste of time!

      2. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes but you have to find it out yourself, spiritual writing is meant to tickle, inspire mans souls into enlightenment.

        There is no scale or scientific instrument known  by man with which it can scale or calibrate god, thats why GOD.Science has been using the Particle Accelerator for many years, the universe just gets more and more complex. Humans are made because of meteors  and the mixture has made us is what science says.

        Makes perfect sense of course I know which meteor and where it came from. Science is very limited with knowledge and the chi energy used by yogis and martial artists is a goo example to defy science. Its been known my many, countless humans.

        Try to see truths which exist and are beyond the grasp of science.

        Then you are this Light or god, its your source ,essence, bliss, home.

        Meditate regularly, for say 30 min e very day at the same spot for maybe days months or years ,it varies and you must have no distraction or minimum distraction.Also early morning when its peaceful.

    4. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Religion is all about misinformation, simply because it is based on "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. wink Islam is no different.

    5. Reality Bytes profile image93
      Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I applaud your bravery.
      I know many Muslims and all of them are respectable, polite and thoughtful people.

      Do you know of any Muslims in America that support the extremists?

      Do you know any that has publicly declared outrage at the maniacs that use your religion as a source to commit atrocities?  Can you provide any links to some?  I would like very much to read statements by American Muslims that are appalled by these actions.

      1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No I dont know of anyone who supports extremist and if I did, I would not spend much time around them. It upsets all Muslims when the actions of a few misguided individuals is used to paint a whole religion. I doont see anyone saying that all Christians support the KKK even though they were all Christians and were known to murder.luch amd mutilate defenseless innocent people. Yet they are still allowed to exist and hold parades and bring people into their sick ideology. There about 1.6 billion Muslims in the wolrd today and the number steadly grows each year, but these extremist are less than 1% yet their actions are allowed to put all law abiding peaceful muslims under a clou of suspicion. Why is that? Also here is a link to what members of my community are doing to help stop the madness and unite people of different faiths...http://www.umcforum.org/

        http://s2.hubimg.com/u/4905925_f248.jpg



        http://s2.hubimg.com/u/4905925_f248.jpg

        1. Reality Bytes profile image93
          Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I am proud of Americans like you.  Thank you for the response, I never had any thoughts that you were associated with extremists.

          I wish more Muslims would condemn these actions so that the doubt of Muslims=terrorists can be put to an end!  I respect the fact that you have opened yourself to questions and congratulate you on your loyalty to the freedoms that the United States provides..

          1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
            KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you for your comments and I wish there were more people like you who are willing to ask questions so that any misconceptions they have about Islam can be cleared up and laid to rest. Please do not hesitate to ask a question becasue we are more than willing to answer them for you.

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      zampanoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      For a moment I thought you were French...
      My question is :
      Why are Muslim countries going through Middle Age now whereas Christian countries got out of those obscure times more than 4 centuries ago while Muslims were building a culturally fertile and prosperous civilization ?
      What's missing ?

      1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I realy dont know the answer to that...And why did you think I was French?

    7. ediggity profile image61
      ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Would you be opposed to living under the Caliphate enforced by Sharia Law?

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The Caliphate now-a-days is in the Ahmadiyya; every Ahmadi follows the law of the land where he lives in, in the temporal and secular matters; in other matters we follow Quran/Islam/Muhammad/Caliphate.

        1. ediggity profile image61
          ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Tell that to the Sunni and Shia muslims.  smile

        2. ediggity profile image61
          ediggityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Tell that to the Sunni and Shia Muslims. smile

          1. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I see they are still murdering each other.
            Paara doesn't have TV apparently.

      2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No I would not, if the Shariah was being carried out correctly and in accordance with the way God established it.

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So does that mean you can just kill everyone who doesn't agree with you then?

          1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
            KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hmmmm....What do you think?

    8. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79:

      Your "Hubpage"name confuses me.

      Why?

      Well lets start with the word "knowledge." In English the definition is "the state or fact of "knowing."

      To "know" is defined as: "To regard as true beyond doubt."

      You call yourself: "Seekerofknowledge" and yet you adamantly profess a belief in a "god" thing you cannot "know," but can only opine!

      Now, the confusion I experience when I read your screen name and your words, is that what your "name" implies and what your religious beliefs are, exist at opposite ends of the "reality" continuum!

      How can one be seeking knowledge when one is so indoctrinated in "fairytale" that "REALITY" exists only on the pages of a book created by an imperfect human creature and are considered, BY YOU, to be the "perfect" words of a fictional, supernatural divinity you worship as allah?

      If you were "truly" a "seeker of knowledge," you would not be "fanatically" involved in that which your mind has been "brainwashed " to accept as being the "gospel" truth.

      THAT, which in FACT, is just the extremity of programmed bigotry.

      Do you understand the basis of my confusion?

      If you do, pls try to offer me a clarifying explanation in other than just your opinion based soley upon religious "faith."

      If you can't, I can't consider you to be a credible responder.

      I would have to consider you to be just another easily led, programmed follower. Certainly not a learned "thinker."

      Qwark

      1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Im sorry that your confused...cuz I find myself confused by your question.

        1. qwark profile image60
          qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Knowledge Seeker:
          You answered my question perfectly.
          I expected that answer.
          Tsk, tsk...........
          Qwark

          1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
            KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Your funny Qwark...I find your quips quite entertaining....lol

            1. qwark profile image60
              qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              ...functioning at the intellectual level of a controlled, programmed "robot," I also understand this reply from you.

              This will end my "chat" with you.

              As a pre-programmed, religious "bot," You offer nothing credible to consider or respond to.

              Qwark

    9. Stevennix2001 profile image84
      Stevennix2001posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I know I'll get some flak for asking this, but how do Islams feel about the attacks of 9/11 and about the events that transpired afterwards leading all the way up to Bin Laden's demise?  Granted, I know you can't answer for all Islamic people out there, but i would be curious to know one's opinion on the current events.

      1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
        Stevennix2001posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I do apologize if my question offends you, as I can assure you that's not my intention.  No, I just like to hear the opinions of all sides in a situation.  Since you're the only one that i know that's Islamic, that's why I asked since you offered.  As I said before, I know you can't answer for every Islam out there, as I'm sure I can't answer for every American out there.  However, I am curious to hear your thoughts on this matter.

      2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Steve we are referred to as Muslims, those of us who practice the religion of Islam are called Muslims. And I cant speak for all Muslims regarding those horrendous attacks against my fellow Americans, But I found such an attack in no way in accordance with what my religion teaches and i hope that all those who had a hand in these attacks, both known and unknown will pay the price for the mayhem they caused.

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      marilynseepterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Assalamualikum sister, for your wonderful truth, pray for me to achieve the ultimate success. May Allah Help us........

    11. Dave Mathews profile image59
      Dave Mathewsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      When I see their women on the street their face is covered except for their eyes. Are these women that ugly or that beautiful?

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        .. or are they women at all?

        1. Dave Mathews profile image59
          Dave Mathewsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Good one maybe not? If they have to hide their faces maybe they have some sickness like leprosy?

          1. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Or, maybe they are so stunningly beautiful, no man can resist them. smile

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0908/some-like-it-hot-burka-style-demotivational-poster-1251402524.jpg

            2. Dave Mathews profile image59
              Dave Mathewsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              one will never know but I wish they did not have to cover up like that.

              1. Beelzedad profile image59
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I couldn't agree with you more, Dave. Women are beautiful and I can't think of one who would ever not want to hear that.

                Could be wrong, though. smile

                1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
                  KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I wonder why people ae so obsessed about what a muslim woman wears. Why is it any ones concerns what she wears and why? WE cover to protect ourseelves from the lustful glances of men, only our husbands or close male family members will know what goes on under burkahs/abaya or jilbabs so yall can just keep on guessing...lol

                  1. Beelzedad profile image59
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Where do you get the notion anyone is obsessed?



                    Simple, women are not being treated as humans in the Islamic world as they are elsewhere in the world, which means they are not allowed their basic human rights.



                    Obviously, you have swallowed Islamic indoctrination. You are accepting the fact that you should be covered up based on the misogynist views of your religion.

                    No one cares what goes on under your bhurka. We are more concerned for your rights as a human being, which the bhurka symbolizes as devoid of those rights.

                    Lustful glances of men? lol

            3. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
              KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes that just maybe it...but you will never know.

              1. Beelzedad profile image59
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                And, I don't care, either. Why should I? I feel pity for those women who have been indoctrinated to believe they should be covered up from the "lustful glances of men" - a paranoia in which the Muslim man needs to see a therapist. smile

      2. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Both. smile

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      Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I have not engaged this area of theology well, so do forgive a gaping literary ignorance and practical application of your theistic approach to living from my vantage point.

      According to my notes, Abram is also your father, yet you [the general culture] reflect heavily on the speaker [Muhammad -again the meaning of the name, not the individual] where as your Hebrew brothers regard Moses [Moshi] as their speaker.

      Question One: Why have the men of your practices disregarded Abram and his work of faith in exchange for a somewhat Dharmic~Taoist textual prefect?

      Question Two, do they consider Sarai [Saraj] their mother or Keturah?

      Thank you,

      James.

      1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I will try to answer your question to the best of my ability.... Abraham is much revered in Islam as it it through his son Ishamel that the Arab race began. Both Judaism and Islam are brothers because Ishaq and Ishmael were brothers. As Muslims we praise Abraham in every prayer that we make throught the day, in all 5 prayers that we offer we send praises and salutations upon both Prophet Abraham and Prophet Muhammad ( peace and blessing of God be upon them both). By keturah you mean Hajar? Sarah is the mother of the Isrealites and Hajar (Keturah) is the mother of the Arabs tot he bewst of my knowledge.

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          paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          We respect all messenger prophets of every revealed religion of the world. It is a part of our faith

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          Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, I am well aware of where the Arab come, as my mother is.
          But I was referencing not so much the 'remembrance' of Abram in prayers, but rather the application of faith, as he expressed it.

          I was unaware Abram was considered a true prophet. This is interesting, as he would then be a greater prophet than Muhammad (descendant of Ishmael?) and Moshe (descendant of Levi). In fact, his testimony --proof of faith-- is still evident even today, as from him the nations come.

          To my knowledge, Hagar was not a wife, but an Egyptian/Assyrian slave girl, assistant to Sarai, later Abram's concubine who was given to him as a gift directly from the Pharaoh (back then, a huge honor). Hagar bore Abram many sons --Ishmael being highly noted. It is interesting to note, she takes Ishmael to the Egyptian lands to find a wife --which is the Assyrians, whom she knew well.

          Sarai was a wife and upon her death, Abram married Keturah (mother of all Persians), who bore him six sons --one of which is Midian. Keturah is believed to be of Ethiopian decent, which explains many of the similarities between Hebrew and Early African beliefs, and the incorporation of Asian (Taoism) and Indian (Hindi) beliefs.

          I am fascinated by the fact that from Jacob/Israel, came Levi, first priest of Israel, from which would come Moshe.
          Jethro, son of Midian, father of the daughters --one of whom Moshe married, came from Ketruah.

          James

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Abraham and Moses were great messengers and prophets; truthful ones of course. but they were not the greatest.

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              Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Surely Abram is greater than both Moshe and Muhammad, as he is their father. Is a son greater than a father? No. Now, be wise, Paar, and do the command : bring honor to your father, Abram, live by faith, so you may dwell in the land for as long as your Creator allows, yes?

              Paar, from what I have read here, live by words in books --like other theists. Do you think you can escape the same fate using the same tools and texts, written by the same or different men?

              James.

  2. Rudra profile image57
    Rudraposted 5 years ago

    My question to you is; why do you think there is the so called misinformation in the media?

    1. BizGenGirl profile image87
      BizGenGirlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      There is lots of disinformation about everything in the media. No subject is excluded, lol

    2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      There is alot of misinformation in the media especialy when it comes to Islam. The only time there is mention of Islam is when its associated with some terrorist plot, or a muslim man commits an act of violence against his wife or children. The plight of muslim women is made to appear that we are second class citizens and are subjegated by our religion, because we cover we are seen as oppressed and in need of rescue. Tell me when was the last time you heard a positive story in the media about Islam or Muslims in general. And ask yourself why you will have a hard time finding such a thing.

  3. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 5 years ago

    Why is the Trinity wrong, but your god can have many names?

    1. aguasilver profile image87
      aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No reply?

      1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I dont understand your question...
        The Trinity defies logic and reasoning, why would there be a father son and holy spirit. Why cant you just worship God alone with out the additional factors?

        1. aguasilver profile image87
          aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The question was why you have many names for your god?

          The trinity I agree is difficult to understand, but we are also three parts, mind, body and soul, so when God made us in His image I guess He was aware that there were multiple parts of God.

          But still just one God.

          I live in a Muslim country, let me ask you, why are Muslim countries so afraid to let their people hear about Christ?

          Where I am it is illegal for me to speak openly to a Muslim about Christ.

          What are they afraid of?

          1. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            They are afraid for your safety, which doesn't seem to be something you yourself have recognized or acknowledged. smile

            1. aguasilver profile image87
              aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Nonsense, when you speak of Christ to most Muslims, show them where their book denys Him,they are keen to know more, I have NEVER felt threatened by a normal Muslim, only by the authorities, who are just as bad as the church was in the middle ages.

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            We are not afraid of Christ; we believe in Jesus and Mary; they are mentioned in Quran in many a chapter.

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              What the authorities are afraid of is communication of interpretations of Christ that differs from Islam

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The Creator-God Allah YHWH is only ONE; He has many attributes.

            1. aguasilver profile image87
              aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So you should have no problem with the Trinity then, three of the 'attributes' God Himself, Immanuel; His manifestation on earth for a purpose, and the Holy Spirit, who remains here for our comfort, protection and guidance.

              Thanks

        2. Greek One profile image81
          Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Defies logic?

          THIS defies logic...

          http://dontvisitthis.com/wp-content/muslem-women-photo.jpg

  4. SandyMcCollum profile image83
    SandyMcCollumposted 5 years ago

    Sorry, but you stepped right into that one. You must not read these forums much, huh?

  5. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 5 years ago

    what would you say if someone said you are being inappropriate and should be ashamed of yourself for posting your picture online without a burka (or for going out in public in general without wearing a burka)?

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Burka is not mentioned in Quran; the first and the foremost source of guidance of Muslims whatever the denomination.
      Some people feel that it is convenient for them.

      It is also not mentioned in the five pillars/articles of faith.

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I realize that, but I was interested in hearing from a woman who has chosen to wear a hijab, but not a burka... and the reaction of that among those in her community

        1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
          KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          LOL!....how would you know if I wasnt wearing a Burkah or Abaya, my profile pic is only a head shot...

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I always imagine that all women are not wearing clothes.. makes the day go by quicker

    2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well the word Burkah is not mentioned in the Holy Quran the word that is used is overgarment or anyhting which you would wear over your clothing when you go out in public....here is the ayah from Surah Al Ahzaab 33:59...O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. Now an ovrgarment has different names jilbab, abaya, burkah or overgarment what evert he name its purpose it an item of clothing that you wear over your clothes when you leavee the house and mingle in the public. They come in all sorts of different styles and colors here are some examples of overgarments or burkahs...

      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5007424.jpg



      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/5007429.jpg



      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/5007433.jpg

      1. aguasilver profile image87
        aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Or this fashion accessory....

        http://s1.hubimg.com/u/2730796_f520.jpg

        Very becoming!

        1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
          KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well if thats what they choose to wear than thats their business...why someone would choose to wear all black when Gods creation is so colorful, That is something I will never understand.

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            Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            But when they kill their children who dare not to wear it, it stops being their business...

            1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
              KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Who kills their children because they wont follow the same religion as their parents?

          2. Disappearinghead profile image88
            Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You quote "Surah Al Ahzaab 33:59...O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.".

            The key theme is that the women will not be abused. So Arab men have problems controlling their sexual desires and unless women cover up, the men will prey on them. I guess this is related to the reason women are forbidden to travel without a family male escort. So whilst the Arab man has the problem, the Quran chooses to patch up the problem by blaming the woman for being somehow provocative, instead of dealing with the real problem of Arab male morality.

            Here's news for the Quran, Western men are not so depraved of mind. We have greater respect for women, and thus they have the freedom to dress or undress as they choose.

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              paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Here, in the West, the direction would be relaxed; Quranic teachings are flexible and rational to the culture where one lives.

              1. Disappearinghead profile image88
                Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You completely avoided addressing the point I made. This is normal Paar behaviour.

                1. aguasilver profile image87
                  aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Sort of Paar for the course!

                  1. Disappearinghead profile image88
                    Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    big_smile

            2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
              KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I find your statement laughable because women in the US are constantly harrassed when they are out in public. I am sure the US has highest rate of sexual assaults and rapes compared to the rest of the world. Why do you think there are now sexual harrassnment laws on the books, and these things happen in the work place where they now have to have sexual harrassment seminars to teach American Men how to deal with women. Men in America are not depraved? Who are you kidding?...The number of sexual offfenders increease every years here in the US they are in every neighborhood these animals prey on women and children. American men are not so depraved of mind, well tell that to the women and children who have been victimized. And a quesstion for you, how many Arab men here in the US have been convicted of raping American women? Just some food for thought.

              1. qwark profile image60
                qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                How many islamic fanatics kill their children if they don't live up to islamic law?
                Disgustingly primitive, barbaric action!
                Qwark

                1. earnestshub profile image89
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Not looking forward to Shariah Qwark? Wouldn't it be great to turn on the television and invite the taliban in to your home?

                  Why you could even set up an area you want paved, spread a rumor about someone having had sex without permission and have all the stones moved free! smile

                  1. qwark profile image60
                    qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Jesus!
                    I'm getting excited at the thought!
                    Bury her with only her head showing in the area I want paved and spread the news!
                    I see a tailgate party in my future!...lol
                    Qwark

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                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you for letting is all see what a muslim woman in America truly thinks    of us. I'd give up now if I were you. You just lost all credibility    and any sympathy I might have had for a muslim such as yourself being kept as a slave within these borders.

                1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
                  KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I am curios...but who is being kept as a slave?

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You are. Belief in God does not mean you are somehow of less value than another human being. There is no God that wants you covered and hidden. Men and women are of equal value. Until religion gets that through their thick heads you will always be a slave. The fact that you are raising young girls who will have to struggle with accepting this insanity while faced with the light of day is disconcerting, to say the least.

                    I realize you can't see this, but you are wrong about American men. Your religion has taught you fear and hatred. You can attempt to be courteous and engaging; but you've exposed yourself by your post concerning men in our society. That is who you are. That is why most Americans will remain leary of Islam. Until you overcome your hatred of us we will not be able to overcome our fear of you.

                  2. Beelzedad profile image59
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You are. smile

              3. Beelzedad profile image59
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                That is a lie, women are treated like humans.



                What do you base that on other than the Islamic propaganda you've swallowed? Do you have any studies on the subject? Have you compared those studies with the sexual assaults committed in Islamic countries?

                Seems you are lying again.



                The mindset in America has changed over the years in that women are treated differently than before. Of course, in the Islamic world, women are still treated as they were centuries ago, like livestock or furniture.



                Again, are you lying about that or do you have studies that support your claims? It would appear you are lying about that too.



                Show us those statistics. Or, are you lying again?



                Why not show us the statistics rather than lying about it?

                smile

                1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
                  KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Ask the person to produc thier proof who claimed that Arab men cant control themselves and that why Muslim women have to cover. Women cover themselves for centuries, But why is it that when a muslim woman does it theen she is oppressed. Saint  Mary is coveered and is wearing a Hijab, catholic nuns cover but none of these womenn are seen as oppressed. So what is the difference with Muslim women?

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                    Twenty One Daysposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    wow, I think you just cut him to the quick. lol. Very well said.

                    Did you know, in American fashion history, the Hijab was quite popular until the mid 1950's. Even today, older women are ever seen with them on --modified of course, by the likes of Jackie O.
                    Also noted is many , many Christian and Eastern beliefs still adhere to women covering their heads in public --as did the Greeks, Egyptians at one point, and still India today -- and even some S.A. cultures in Mexico and Peru who had no contact with any form of islamic or judeo-christian ideologies for centuries.

                    James.

                  2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
                    KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    See any resemblnce people?...WHo is more oppressed?

                    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/5028654.jpg



                    http://s4.hubimg.com/u/5028659.jpg



                    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5028660.jpg

                  3. Beelzedad profile image59
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Why can't Arab men control themselves? Is it because they are sexually repressed as a result of their religion?



                    Are you a religious cleric like a nun? Or, are you just a follower of your religion? Do all catholic women wear the same clothes as a nun? Do nuns cover up their faces?

  6. aka-dj profile image80
    aka-djposted 5 years ago

    Does Islam celebrate the death of Osama Bin Laden?
    Or, are you all glorifying  him as a martyr for the "cause" of Islam?

    Was he a terrorist, or a hero, to your religion, (or you personally)?

    1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I find it funny that all mUslims must take the Osama litmus test, in no way does he reprsent Islam or true Islamic ideology yet all of us are viewed in a skewed light because of his actions. How could he be viewed as a hero in Islam when scores of Muslim were also killed in hos horrendouse attacks against innocent civilians. I personally am glad that he is dead and I hope he rots in hell for the atrocities he committed. As an American muslim I was also his enemy because I reside in  this great country, his threats against my country was also a threat against me and my fellow Americans. His attacks could have killed me  members of my family or freinds, so celebrating him as a hero would never even cross my mind.

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Osama was merely using the Quran that teaches and condones Muslims to be violent under various conditions. History is replete of such behavior amongst Muslims. There is nothing skewed about it.



        He may very well take his place right beside Allah and Muhammad as far as anyone knows. He may very well have believed he was more a devout Muslim than many others, including yourself. smile

        1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
          KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah well if thats the case then he is delusional...the only place he is going is straight to hell, it is a sin kill unarmed innocent men women and children  of any religion. Islam is not the problem its uneducted individuals who take from the Holy Quran what they want to suit their own purpose. Every religion has its extremist so why is it that Islam is made out to be the bad guy.

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            to answer your question, rightly or wrongly, probably because of this...

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xWrdNJukFSY/TRpYJc3haDI/AAAAAAAAAvQ/DRBI0Cf50f4/s1600/twin-towers.jpg

            1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
              KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Or what about this...

              http://s3.hubimg.com/u/5008326_f248.jpg



              http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5008328_f248.jpg

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Sadly, but understandably, the explosion of two large office buildings and the killing of thousands by a few people gets more attention than the peaceful actions of the majority

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                  paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
          2. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That is your personal opinion and is not shared by other Muslims who will take the violent verses in the Quran as their guidance.



            Osama was an educated man, as were many of the individuals who carried out atrocities, all in the name of Islam. Your claim is not valid.



            All religions are a problem, based on your own words they all have extremists. They are all bad guys. It just so happens that Islam has always been violent, right from it's inception. smile

            1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
              KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              When I say uneducated I mean about Islam...ther is noo way that someone can be educated in the letter and spirit of Islam and commit these acts of terrorism.

              1. Beelzedad profile image59
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Again, you are wrong, Osama was very well versed in Islam, as were his followers. Your point is invalid. smile

                1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
                  KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  And you would know this how?...Are you Muslim? Hav you studies more than a few verses of the holy Quran that you find inflammatory so you can have something to back up your biased view against Islam and Muslims. I was born and raised Muslim in a country where I have the freedom to practice my religion how I see fit. Ihave studied with the best of teachers, so when I say Osama and others like him are ignorant of the true practice of Islam I know what I am talking about. Osama has done a great diservice to the beauty of Islam and for this he will answer to God on the day of judgement, but even now he is paying for his actions in his grave.

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I would just like to say that I understand your frustration, but Beelzedad is right. Not simply about Islam, but across the board of the  two major religions. They are too open to interpretation by those who would use them for wrong.

                    You choose to live within your faith. You apparently like the burka, or whatever you call it; but to force it, and a second class mentality on anyone that doesn't appreciate it can't be right.

                    I'm curious. Will your children be given a choice? Will you respect their decision if they chose to live outside of your faith?

                  2. Beelzedad profile image59
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    One does not need to be indoctrinated into Islam to read it's words and understand its violent nature with no bias required, the words are there for all to see.



                    No, you are defending Islam because another Muslim acted on the violence taught in Islam and you are saying he is not a Muslim for doing so.



                    Sorry, but I see no beauty in the violence that Islam teaches and the violent nature of its barbaric and cruel punishments. In the context of what Islam teaches and condones, Osama may very well be sitting right beside Allah. smile

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  7. graceomalley profile image85
    graceomalleyposted 5 years ago

    The topic of women & Islam is a hot one. Author Aayan Hirshi Ali grew up Muslim in Somalia, she now lives in the Netherlands and promotes the idea that Islam is by nature oppressive to females. Her books detail the horrific treatment of girls and women in her Muslim society. Ms Hirshi takes the stance that this treatment is not merely cultural (not only facets of the society that predate Islam), but a direct result of Islam.

    Others, including yourself, have a different experience. I am a Christian, and many talk about how Christianity oppresses women, but this is not my experience at all.

    So here are my questions for you: In your experience, do you find faithful Muslim men treat women with respect? Do you find that Muslim men are as eager to educate their daughters as their sons? Does a Muslim man hope for intellectual and spiritual companionship from his wife (in addition to emotional and physical companionship), or would he be more likely to seek those connections with other men?

    1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes of course Muslim men treat Muslim women with respect and honor. When it  comes to education God has made it obligatory on men women and children to seek knowledge from the craddle to the grave even if one must go to China. My Sheikh has said that a mother is the childs first university so the mother must be educated so that she can properly educate her children. It is very important for girls to receive an education because the lack of it will bring society to a standstill. If a woman is uneducated then so will her children, and if she is forbidden from getting an eduction then it is to the detriment to society as you can see in some Muslim countries. The men foolishly keep their women uneducated and as a result their societies do not prosper.When it come to relationships it depends on the individual and what they view as a healthy relationship, I can only speak for myself but my husband and I have a very loving relationship based on respect and trust. Of course if we follow the example of our Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who treated his wive with the utmost kindness, love and respect then Muslim men should also try their hardest to follow his example. In Islam the husband and wife are suppose to work as a team with the man as head of household and the woman as his helpmate and companion.

    2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Ayan Hirsi Ali is a very controversial figure, I read her book and was astonished at the treatment she suffered by other muslims. But she is wrong for tryiing to portray Islam as the reason for why women are treated in such a manner. alot of Muslim countries do not follow the practices of Islam in letter or spirit, i am not sure what they are practicing but what ever it is it bears no resemblance to the beautiful religion that I practice.

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Wrong, according to who? You?

        Perhaps then, you are sympathetic to the Muslims who murdered Van Gogh because of her script?

        Funny how real life seems to imitate precisely how Muslims are portrayed. smile

        1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
          KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Why would I be sypathetic to anyone who killed someone in cold blood because they had a difference of opinion on smething....Wht kind of person do you think I am?...Your words are revealing that you have some issues that you need to work out, I hope you dnt talk to everyone in this way...sheesh

          1. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It would appear that on one hand you embrace the violence your god teaches and employs on its followers, yet you are not sympathetic to someone who attacked Islam.

            You are not consistent in your beliefs at all.



            Your religion is revealing in that it is violent and offensive and the way you follow it is inconsistent with your words. It is your religion that has serious issues that need to be worked out. smile

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with you; if someone misbehaves with the women; that it his personal fault; there is no teaching in Quran to misbehave with women.

  8. Disturbia profile image61
    Disturbiaposted 5 years ago

    I think you are very brave.

    1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Why do you say that?

      1. Disturbia profile image61
        Disturbiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Because you are here like Daniel in the lion's den.  There are those here who's questions challenge you and others who's questions ridicule you for your beliefs because they have none of their own.  You sound like an intelligent woman so I think you know this, yet you answer all their questions with honesty and the conviction of your faith.

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          paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks

        2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
          KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you Disturbia...your comment put a smile on my face may God bless you for your kind words.

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Because you are courageous.

  9. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 5 years ago

    what do you think the penalty for adultery should be?

    1. Disturbia profile image61
      Disturbiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Off with their heads!

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        castration is never the answer

        1. Disturbia profile image61
          Disturbiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I wasn't talking about that head.

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            i know... i just wanted to make your comment funny smile

            1. Disturbia profile image61
              Disturbiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, you did.

    2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The penaly for adultery is what ever God says it should be, He has had the same penalty throughtout time He never changed it man is the one who changed it and now its so rampant and out of control it is crazy. The penalty has always been stoning to death if those accused have been found guilty. In Islam the charge of adultery is taken very seriously and is no light manner, but there are rules that must be followed. If someone brings a charge of adultery against someone then they must have four witnesses who say that they caught the person in the act of adultery, if they dnt have these witnesses and the person proclaims their innocence then the case is tossed out. If someone comes forward and confesses that they have committed adultery than they must say it three times before punishment is meted out. If a chaste personis accused of this crime than the accuser is the one who has to suffer a punishment of 83 lashes fr bringing a false charge against an innocent person. Of course for those who live in societies where Shariah law is not the law of the and then stoning is prohibited and some other form of punishment is administered.

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        interesting (if not very humane)..

        Now please tell me...

        1) in what verse of the Quran do you believe God mandates stoning for adultery

        2)what do you consider 'adultery'.. ie do you (or your God) strictly define it as sexual intercourse between people who are not married?

        1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
          KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well adultery is when a married persons has sexual intercourse with someone other than their spouse...

          The Noble Qur'an An-Nur 24:2-9

          2. The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allâh's Law).

          3. The adulterer marries not but an adulteress or a Mushrikah and the adulteress none marries her except an adulterer or a Muskrik [and that means that the man who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) or a prostitute, then surely he is either an adulterer, or a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater, etc.) And the woman who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater) or an adulterer, then she is either a prostitute or a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan, or idolatress, etc.)]. Such a thing is forbidden to the believers (of Islâmic Monotheism).

          4. And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fâsiqûn (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).

          5. Except those who repent thereafter and do righteous deeds, (for such) verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

          6. And for those who accuse their wives, but have no witnesses except themselves, let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies (i.e. testifies four times) by Allâh that he is one of those who speak the truth.

          7. And the fifth (testimony) (should be) the invoking of the Curse of Allâh on him if he be of those who tell a lie (against her).

          8. But it shall avert the punishment (of stoning to death) from her, if she bears witness four times by Allâh, that he (her husband) is telling a lie.

          9. And the fifth (testimony) should be that the Wrath of Allâh be upon her if he (her husband) speaks the truth.

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Is it not true that the penalty of stoning for adultery is NOT actually mentioned in the Quran, bit rather in hadith?

            Ie it is NOT God's specific direction, as you claim?

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              paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Stoning is not mentioned in Quran; Hadith was not collected in the time of Muhammad; it was collected 250/300 years after Muhammad. Hadith is accepted only if it is line with what is stated in Quran- the first and the foremost source of guidance for Muslims whatever the denomination.

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I agree with you Paar, but we seem to have a dispute between your version of Islam, and KNOWLEDGESEEKER79, who indicated, if I am not mistaken, that stoning was a command by God.

                This is an indication to me that when although orthodox Muslims claim their actions and views are sanctioned by their God, they are in fact nothing more than cultural verdicts and preferences put forward by the most extreme (eg stoning and the wearing of the burka).

              2. Beelzedad profile image59
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You're probably talking about the Quran-only movenemt within Islam in which the disingenuous deception of down playing the Hudud and other Hadith and Shariah laws play no part in the Islamic world, that the Muslims life is entirely centered around only the Quran.

                This is evident from the Sahih Bukhari that recorded Muhammad himself directly involved in stoning men and women. But somehow, through later versions, we find the verses regarding stoning to have disappeared.

                'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him" (Sahih Bukhari 8.82.816).

          2. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Horrible, violent religion. Barbaric and cruel punishment. This is not a religion of peace by any stretch of the imagination. smile

      2. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Obviously then, your god has failed miserably in making that work. Most likely, the punishment didn't fit the crime, or did it?



        Isn't that rather harsh? Are you in favor of killing someone by stoning them to death just because they had an affair? That is completely barbaric.



        That's insane. If people know they will be killed because they are having an affair, they will make sure that there are no witnesses.



        Are you serious? Is that some kind of voodoo or magical chant? Ridiculous.



        Yes, stoning is not only prohibited in many countries around the world because it is utterly barbaric, cruel and inhumane form of punishment. Only a religion of violence would ever support such atrocious laws and behavior. smile

        1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
          KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well it is what it is...these are Gods laws...not mans laws. The bible and the Torah also calls for the stoning of adulterers, so are they too violent religions?

          1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
            KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Check out these verses from the bible...
            Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

            Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

            Proverbs 6:32 "But a man who commits adultery lacks judgment; whoever does so destroys himself."

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              but where is it mentioned in the book you are a specialist in, the Quran?

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                paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                For punishment of adultery in Quran:

                [24:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
                [24:2] This is a Surah which We have revealed and which We have made obligatory; and We have revealed therein clear Signs, that you may take heed.
                [24:3] The adulteress and the adulterer (or the fornicatress and the fornicator) — flog each one of them with a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain take hold of you in executing the judgment of Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment.

                http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … .php?ch=24

                Please click the above link to find more verses.

                1. Greek One profile image81
                  Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  where does it mention stoning though?

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                    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Stoning is not mentioned as a punishment of adultery in Quran.

                2. aguasilver profile image87
                  aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  For punishment of adultery in the New Covenant:

                  John 8 1:11

                  BUT JESUS went to the Mount of Olives.

                  Early in the morning (at dawn), He came back into the temple [court], and the people came to Him in crowds. He sat down and was teaching them,

                  When the scribes and Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery. They made her stand in the middle of the court and put the case before Him.

                  Teacher, they said, This woman has been caught in the very act of adultery.

                  Now Moses in the Law commanded us that such [women--offenders] shall be stoned to death. But what do You say [to do with her--what is Your sentence]?

                  This they said to try (test) Him, hoping they might find a charge on which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger.

                  However, when they persisted with their question, He raised Himself up and said;

                  Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.

                  Then He bent down and went on writing on the ground with His finger.

                  They listened to Him, and then they began going out, conscience-stricken, one by one, from the oldest down to the last one of them, till Jesus was left alone, with the woman standing there before Him in the center of the court.

                  When Jesus raised Himself up, He said to her, Woman, where are your accusers?

                  Has no man condemned you?

                  She answered, No one, Lord! And Jesus said, I do not condemn you either. Go on your way and from now on sin no more.

                  Seems a better way, and if the same question were asked today, it would still apply to any person:

                  Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.

                  Now you can see why the Islamic view of Christ is in error, not a prophet, but empowered by God to forgive and bring people to conviction of their sin.

                  Hands up who could cast that first stone?

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                    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Jesus did not bring a new law; he was follower of the law of Moses.

            2. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
              KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              what do you sa about this...
              Rabbinic Judaism

              Adultery in traditional Judaism applies equally to both parties, but depends on the marital status of the woman (Lev. 20:10). Though the Torah prescribes the death penalty for adultery, the legal procedural requirements were very exacting and required the testimony of two witnesses of good character for conviction. The defendant also must have been warned immediately before performing the act.[38]

              At the civil level, however, Jewish law (halakha) forbids a man to continue living with an adulterous wife, and he is obliged to divorce her. Also, an adulteress is not permitted to marry the adulterer, but, to avoid any doubt as to her status as being free to marry another or that of her children, many authorities say he must give her a divorce as if they were married.[39]

              Also, Jewish law recognizes the "law of the land" in these matters, so that if the law of the land has greater restrictions, then they will also apply.[citation needed]

              According to Judaism, the Seven laws of Noah apply to all of humankind; these laws prohibit adultery with another man's wife.[40]

          2. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Then, it is obvious your gods laws are brutal, cruel and inhumane and should be tossed out immediately as something only an insane despot would employ.



            Absolutely. Disgusting and medieval practices that have nothing to do with modern society.

            Your religion is obviously based on violent punishment. smile

          3. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            A straight answer? Yes they are. smile

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              klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Earnest!!! A NEW PHOTO!!! I don't believe it!!! Somehow, it looks like it's an old photo? Clarify please?

              1. earnestshub profile image89
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                smile The photo is indeed old. Taken in the 70's outside one of my my businesses.
                I just put it up to see if anyone noticed. smile

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          paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Stoning is not mentioned in Quran a punishment for adultery

      3. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Pure nonsense!!!

        You should be less worried about the misinformation, and more worried about the FACTS of your beliefs.

        This concept is from the dark ages...and completely absurd...thus no sane person should ever want to willingly worship your psychotic, imaginary God.

        1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
          KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So your saying that 1.6 billion people who follow Islam are insane?...Maybe we all should be in the pysch ward.

          1. getitrite profile image80
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            What would you call a person who believes in nonsensical, imaginary entities and objects that don't exist...and when proven that these things defy common sense...still, stubbornly, refuse to accept reality?  Huh?!



            No.  Simply stop allowing someone else to control you.  You have a brain.  Use it.  No one knows anymore than you do about why we are here...that includes your prophet, Mohammed, who was JUST a mortal, and is now JUST dead.

  10. Harlan Colt profile image87
    Harlan Coltposted 5 years ago

    Knowledgeseeker79,

    You are the person I have been wanting to hear from the Muslim community. I share and support many of your sentiments and I am glad you are taking a stand to show there are many God and peace loving Muslims who are not intent on killing everyone who doesn't share their beliefs. People need to know you exist out there and in large numbers too. From what I understand, the "radicals" even kill their own people whenever they have something to be mad about, which seems to be much of the time.

    Youtube is littered in videos of Muslims killing other Muslims in the name of Allah. These actions give Islam a bad name around the world.

    You mention Christians that kill in the name of Christ... as a Christian I am the first to say, NO they are not Christian, they only call themselves that, but they are not, else they would not do those things in the name of Christ. Christ consistently taught against that.

    Perhaps a similar thing could be said within Islam? Would you say people doing horrendous acts in the name of Allah, are not real Muslims? I do not know. I am very ignorant of that faith but I am curious to know.

    - Best Wishes,
    - Harlan

    1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes I would say that they are not really Muslims...We have alot of people masquerading as Muslims and they only bring shame to Islam and those of us who truly want to practice out faith in letter and spirit.

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        May I ask, are you familiar with the Ahmadi Muslims? 

        If so, what do you think of their beliefs?

        1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
          KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No I'm afraid not...What are their beleifs?

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I appreciate your approach.

      Thanks and regards

  11. davidkaluge profile image73
    davidkalugeposted 5 years ago

    the trinity is not agreed by all christians so why blame muslims for rejecting it? there are cases of priests abusing women and children in churches. The point is that it will be wrong to condemn all because of the actions of others. I rose above all religious barriers and I freely enter into any mystery. I make friends with people no matter the religion or none provided you respect others.People think all Islam is bad,I know it wrong, why can't the good muslims put more effort to help stop terrorism?

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    davidkalugeposted 5 years ago

    Those that question some Islamic doctrines like punishments should know that Islam have various sects just like Christains so there are diifferences. I said the muslims, good and peaceful ones, should put more effort to stop terror. They can do this by teaching the young ones, using the media often, joining those that are in the fight against terror. I know they can do more to help create a more peaceful world where religion will not stand against our spirit of brotherhood.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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    klarawieckposted 5 years ago

    What? Did God come down to earth to carve these laws in stone? When did that happen? As in Christianity and Judaism, these are man's interpretation of what they think/believe God wants.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      There is an elaborate system of interpretaiton.

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        klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        There is nothing elaborate about it. God has not come down upon the earth to write or dictate any rules. There have been men "inspired by God" who have written God's rules. All of them... from Jesus, Muhammad, Siddhārtha Gautama, and Joseph Smith, etc. They've all been MEN, and everyone knows that it is part of human nature to lie, distort ideas and exagerate. Therefore, no written book has the real deal. Sorry to disagree with you on this.

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          paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I don't agree with you.

          Jesus, Muhammad, Siddhārtha Gautama were all men who received Word of revelation from the Creator-God; and that made the difference:

          [25:8] And they say, ‘What is the matter with this Messenger that he eats food, and walks in the streets? Why has not an angel been sent down to him that he might be a warner with him?

          http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=0

          That is why they are role models of human biengs.

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            klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            And that's why the world has been fighting wars ever since.

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              paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I think it is your wrong analysis; truthful religion has been always peaceful and rational.

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                klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Religions are peaceful, but the emphasis on the differences between religions begins that "I'm right-you're wrong" battle. Religious people (those that are so stubborn to think that their belief is more accurate than other's) are willing to give their life to defend their faith. I think it's sad. I doubt it's what God would want for mankind.

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    zampanoposted 5 years ago

    KNOWLEDGESEEKER79
    I think you need one or two secretaries to feed all this audience.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I am a volunteer to help her

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        Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 has indicated that she is not familiar with your particular sect of Islam, Paar.

        Could you please explain the Ahmadi movement to her?  I would like to get a real (no offense) Muslim's perspective on your views

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      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I couldnt agree more....any volunteers?

  15. thisisoli profile image64
    thisisoliposted 5 years ago

    My questions to you as a Muslim would be just the same as the questions I would put to any religious person so I won't waste your time on that particular point.

    I would just like to say that while I think the world would be better off without religion as a whole, I am glad the world is filled with different cultures and people.  The world would be a boring place if everywhere was the same.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      There is absolutey no compulsion in the truthful religion; then why not choose a good thing?

      [2:257] There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
      [2:258] Allah is the friend of those who believe: He brings them out of every kind of darkness into light. And those who disbelieve, their friends are the transgressors who bring them out of light into every kind of darkness. These are the inmates of the Fire; therein shall they abide.

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=256

      Why not become a friend of the Creator-God Allah YHWH?

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    klarawieckposted 5 years ago

    In the words of my favorite singer/songwriter, Conor Oberst...

    "the bible's blind, the torah's deaf, the quran is mute,
    if you burn them all together you get close to the truth."

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You may say whatever you like; there is no compulsion in  matters of religion.

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    klarawieckposted 5 years ago

    God has nothing to do with rules or punishments. They've all been created by men.

    1. KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 profile image61
      KNOWLEDGESEEKER79posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well if God has nothing to do with punishment then why was the cities of Sodom and Gomorah destroyed by Him?

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        klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Who told the stories of God's destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah? Oh, yeah! All these stories were told by MEN. smile I'm not trying to change your mind on this, obviously. I respect your way of thinking. All I'm saying is, human beings have a way of twisting information to their advantage.

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 wrote:

    Saint  Mary is covered and is wearing a Hijab, catholic nuns cover but none of these womenn are seen as oppressed. So what is the difference with Muslim women?

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      klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The only difference is the times that we are living in. It was part of a lady's attire 2000 years ago, but it's been a while since everyone moved on from those outfits. Oppressed or not, the fact that people decide to wear such clothes sends the message that you are stuck in the mindframe of that period of time, when human beings were barbaric and closed-minded.

      Nuns do it, but they have an excuse. They devout their lives to celibacy and prayer. For a married woman to still hide under the veil, while everyone else has changed into a comfortable pair of shorts, it reflects an unbending attitude towards the rest of the world.

      That's my opinion anyways, but in all honesty, it doesn't bother me. I'm just replying to your question. Whatever a woman decides to wear is her choice. smile

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    KNOWLEDGESEEKER79 wrote:

    For years women dressed modestly in this country, its only with in the last decades that eveyrone is taking thier clothes off and flaunting thier bodies. Well thats good for them, but I choose to cover and keep my charms for my hubby, my body is not on display for every man

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      Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Nothing is wrong with 'flaunting their bodies", if you have a nice body of course. Sun and fresh air and feeling of nakedness by itself, especially after long cold sunless winter days - it feels so wonderful. Walking around, wrapping into something that looks like a table cloth, stepping on your own skirt, sweeping pavement with it, - that is wrong. If you are beautiful - display it for everybody, let everybody enjoy it. Bright open clothes, they bring joy and hope, that everything will be well in this world. We, women are meant to be looked at and admired by men. Nothing is wrong with that. No matter how beautiful you are, time will come when you'll become old and wrinklish and nothing to look at. Enjoy your spring time while you can, it is SO SHORT!

  20. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    I do not have Ed and I am tired of this thread.

 
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