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Should the Atheists remain ignorant?

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    Human ignorance in physical matters is removed when confirmed/verified by the Work of the Creator-God, commonly known as nature; it is useful in worldly matters. Human ignorance in ethical, moral and physical is removed when verified by the Word revealed authored by the Creator-God, useful in hereafter.

    Atheists know a little of the Work of the Creator-God and they are ignorant of the Word of God, altogether.

    Should the Atheists remain ignorant?

    I don’t think so.

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      zampanoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus Christ !
      Can you repeat that please ?
      I didn't understand at all what you've just written.
      Have you been drinking ? Or is it me ?

    2. Jefacity profile image59
      Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Isn't stereotyping an entire group of people ignorance in itself? I've found most atheists to be logical and rational people. It is not their ignorance that makes them atheists but they're lack of experience with the spiritual world. they are fact orientated instead of faith orientated.

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The fact is that the Universe is created by the Creator-God Allah YHWH; not believing it is ignorance.

        1. Jefacity profile image59
          Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          he cares more about a person doing right in both actions and words than knowing who created the universe. He cares little for knowledge of who created the universe, but cares much for those who tend his gardens even if they know not who planted the seed.

        2. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          There is NO fact that the world was created by a god/creator. wink

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            How do you prove that?

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I don't have to prove it. You're the one making the outrageous claim.

              So, prove a god/creator created the world without using anything related to religion's nonsense.

              Then, we'll talk.

              1. Jefacity profile image59
                Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                It's not really something to be proved. You really just have to decide for yourself if it's true or false.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  If it is not something to be proved, then I would highly suggest you STOP saying it as though it is something true or some kind of truth.

                  Learn to realize, when you do say it, it causes conflict. wink

                  1. Jefacity profile image59
                    Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    truth usually ends up causing conflict. it shakes the very foundations of a mans soul.

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                    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I think the conflict will resolve when the atheists prove from science that Creator-God does not exist.If they cannot prove that then they become believers; as they should very naturally.

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                  paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Those who eulogize science; must prove that the Creator-God does not exist. If they are in doubt, they should become believers of their choice.

                  1. thejeffriestube profile image83
                    thejeffriestubeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    This is a very thought-provoking and interesting discussion, but I wonder about one thing. Do you also claim to have invented the question mark? Or accused chestnuts of being lazy? Just saying.

            2. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No need to prove it.
              The story is so ridiculous as to be self evident to anyone who cares to find the truth.

              Does it need to be proven that Santa is not coming down my chimney, or that there are no fairies at the bottom of the garden?

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                paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Then one should believe in the Creator-God Allah YHWH; it is very natural to believe in Him.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You nit picked that one, very dishonest of you but well within your usual modus operandi. How about the other invisible entities, such as the tooth fairy?

                2. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It's only natural for ignorant people who fail in being responsible for self. Sure. Yep! smile

            3. TahoeDoc profile image98
              TahoeDocposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchins
              "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

              If you put the burden of proof on those who deny your God, don't you also then have to disprove all of the other Gods? Why not?

              Seriously, enough of calling me and others ignorant because we don't subscribe to the same ancient story about the origin of the universe as you do. I know you believe it with all of your being BUT I want you to consider that how you disbelieve other religions or theories about their god-being, we also dismiss yours. It's the same thing. We just don't believe in any of them as you don't believe in all the others.

              Are you ignorant for not believing in Christ as the Son/equivalent of God? Are you ignorant for not believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

              It is possible, and highly probable, that you are wrong about your assertions that your God created the universe. There is no more proof for your God than there is for any other.

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                paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Can you prove that God did not create the Universe?

                1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
                  Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Can you prove that Vishnu did not create the universe. Are you aware that yor question is fallacious or are you deliberately using it just to get some attention?

                2. TahoeDoc profile image98
                  TahoeDocposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't have to and thought I explained why (and pretty clearly).

                  Can you disprove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't do it? (or the above mentioned Vishnu or Mithra or Brahma or Pangu?)

                  If you cannot or do not feel you are required to disprove them, then you understand my answer perfectly.

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                    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't have it; it is very natural to believe in Creator-God; it is like one believes one's parents.

        3. nightwork4 profile image60
          nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          where did you get your facts from. geez bud, you talk like you know more then everyone else which is the true sign of ignorance. personally i'd rather shoot myself then live my life believing in the stuff you talk about as fact.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I have repeated the above as asked by zampano.

    4. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Islamic propagandists know a little about reality, but they are ignorant on how it all works.

      Should the propagandist remain ignorant?

      I don't think so.

      Well, that was fun. smile

    5. canadawest99 profile image60
      canadawest99posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Why do you think its your job to spread the word about god?  Why can''t he do it himself.  Everyone knows the message is better delivered directly from the source.  He could beam a signal into everyone's head in a flash to believe in him and worship him, then problem solved, but instead he lets petty conflicts, misinterpretation, fear and petty human ego get in the way of his so called message.    This could be the most in efficient "creator' ever.

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The Creator-God created this Universe in a system; he likes to do the things in a system so that we don't remain ignorant and inculcate a system in our life; that is the way we could best understand the things.

        He has taught us language/s and writing so that our knowledge increases. He sends prophets and messengers so that we know of Him from them; He authors Word for our guidance and reveals it on them. He created angels to exhort us on virtue. He gave us a free will so that we could chose freely right from the wrong. He will judge us in the hereafter.

        I think He is already doing the things himself. Is it not correct?

        1. nightwork4 profile image60
          nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          wow. you actually know what your god thinks. you must be really special bud. seriously though. do you ever re-read what you write and think "what was i babbling about". of all the people on this site, you are by far the most incorrect but opinionated person i have seen so far.

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      just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think I have the answer to this one. Yes. You should keep truth a secret. Stop talking about it and definitely stop posting about it. Leave them in darkness about the whole Allah thing. It's what they deserve. smile

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol

      2. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol
        What a great idea! I will be happy to have that kind of ignorance! smile

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        One of the attributes of the Creator-God is Al-Zahir meaning the Manifest :

        [57:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
        [57:2] Whatever is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Allah; and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
        [57:3] His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; He gives life and He causes death; and He has power over all things.
        [57:4] He is the First and the Last, and the Manifest and the Hidden, and He knows all things full well.

        http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=0

        So let Him be Manifest.

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          just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So, why'd you ask the question, if you already had the answer you were looking for. Your OP should probably have been a statement. Somewhere along the lines of 'all atheists need to convert to Islam' might have been better. Don't you think? smile

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        jomineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol lol

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      Sophia Angeliqueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      @Paar. You can't even write a grammatical sentence. Who, exactly, is ignorant?

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I never claimed to be a grammarian; please correct the grammar. English is not my mother tongue, sorry.

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          Sophia Angeliqueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well, then, let me suggest you\ aren't educated either. Most atheists are a hundred times more educated about religion than religious people. That's why they're atheists..

          1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
            Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Even though many atheists (including myself) have pointed this out to parsurrey, he will continue to choose to ignore it and wallow in his ignorance since it makes him feel better about his own beliefs.

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              Sophia Angeliqueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I KNow.  I wrote quite a few articles about it...

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I think there are believers who are much more intelligent than non-believers; exception are there.

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              Sophia Angeliqueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well, then you are seriously deluded because according to the research, examination results, school results, degrees, etc., those people that score the highest and get the highest form of education are more likely to be atheists and/or agnostics than religious people.

              I understand your need to believe that you are special and superior because you are a Christian. It's extremely annoying that the opposite is true. I also understand your refusal to believe what you want to believe. However, while I will always respect your right to say and believe anything you like, nothing in religious dogma will ever make me respect anything you say.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The only responses I have seen from the OP of all these threads is the unwillingness to see the same problems with his own tome that he finds in the bible. Very selective.
                This mind is a closed door. smile

                1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
                  Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I would have called it a brick wall reinforced with galvanised steel and coated with kevlar but closed door is ok I guess.

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Yep! I am a master of understatement. smile

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                    Sophia Angeliqueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    LOL!

    8. Daniel Carter profile image90
      Daniel Carterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You assume far too much.
      Most atheists, including the ones at HP, know scripture, or "the word of God" very well, and thus by evidence of the "word", point out its confusion, conflicting statements, teachings, etc., and are convinced the "word" was created by man, not by any God.

      Ignorance is a sad thing. But it is prevalent in humanity regardless of beliefs or no beliefs. It is not a condition associated with just atheists, but in all cross sections of humanity. Sad you don't see that.

    9. Titen-Sxull profile image93
      Titen-Sxullposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      First off let me just say that obvious troll is obvious. Secondly as an atheist I am not ignorant of the Bible, what you call the "word of God", in fact I've read the entire thing, it was one of the primary factors that led to me leaving Christianity years ago.

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I never said that Bible is authored by the Creator-God. Jesus did receive word of revelation but the Christians could not preserve it. It is for this that Word of the Creator-God was again revealed on Muhammad.

        Have you read Quran? If you read it intently you will again come into the fold of religion; I am pretty sure, if you follow reason.

        1. Titen-Sxull profile image93
          Titen-Sxullposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I've read parts of it. Enough to know that its no more impressive than the Bible... and the Bible is not at all impressive.

    10. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I was an atheist and gained enlightenment. There are many believers who dont understand god properly as they too lack knowledge.

      The super soul or god -Allah ,Brahma or Jevovah etc comprises of every soul, so it yearns for each soul to return home, the only person stopping you is yourself.
      Knowledge is for all.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That's funny, I was a christian then gained enlightenment. smile
        I found religionists tell lies about what they believe and lack knowledge of life. smile

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Please read what the word enlightenment means in a spiritual aspect.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Gimme a break Mohit, you are not talking to a ten year old child.

            Lift your game, English is my native language, don't tell me I don't know the meaning of words, it's infantile to do so.

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well so stop writing like this, I was Christian gained enlightenment and so became an atheist, is this not a child like statement.

              I just shows you have no idea what enlightenment means.

              One who has become aware of the light , the spirit, spiritually aware, awakened to the spiritual world is someone who is enlightened.
              Which you are not so you are not enlightened.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Your opinion of my enlightenment remains unenlightened.
                I have been where you are and grew out of being thus "enlightened"

                1. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You have no idea what enlightenment is and you just keep proving it wit your writing.

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    And you keep insisting that I accept your stupid insults.

          2. Merlin Fraser profile image79
            Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Enlightenment (Noun)

            The process of explaining or understanding something clearly. 

            I was unaware that the word had any special or specific spiritual significance, well not in English anyway !

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Its root is in spirituality, similar to the concept of samadhi by the Hindus.

              Have you never heard of spiritual enlightenment, for heavens sake we are in a religion and philosophy forum.
              Have you never heard of Jesus or the Buddha or Mahavira as enlightened ones.?

              1. Merlin Fraser profile image79
                Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I can only assume these people became enlightened because someone smarter than them sat them down in a corner and explained something to them until they understood whatever that person was talking about.

                Sorry, but the word has no other definition, therefore by now you should be enlightened because  I have explained it to you.

                1. Calash profile image60
                  Calashposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  The only thing that makes me atheist is that I don't acknowledge God(s) in the same way that most religions don't acknowledge Gods of other religions.

                  That being said, I used to be as angry of an atheist as Mr. Merlin up here, but after a lot of self reflection and reading I realized a few things.

                  First, I don't believe that my consciousness will continue after death; I think it will be like before I was born. 

                  Second, there is something more to reality than can be simply understood through human comprehension; you only need to look at quantum theory to realize this.  For example, the dual slit experiment shows that observation alone has an effect on the outcome of anything.  Merely by being consciously aware of matter, that matter behaves differently.

                  Third, we are all connected energetically if nothing else.  Reality is a construct of our minds, and so is physical space.  If you look under a microscope you'll find that nothing is smooth and perfect, there are always holes, cracks, crevices, etc... and at some point when you get down small enough past particles and atoms, you'll realize that all matter is just energy that vibrates at a certain frequency.  All of that energy is something and came from somewhere (Law of conservation of mass) and I'm not saying it was Yaweh, Jesus, or any other God...all I'm saying is you will never be able to prove to anyone else what is real for you if a different truth is real for them. 

                  This takes us back to a philosophical question that I really like; How do I know that my blue is the same as your blue?  My red your red?  Maybe in some reality (as there are many more dimensions than we can experience) God is more easily experienced because people are willing to accept a lot of the ridiculous claims made by religious texts and supporters.  The problem occurs ALWAYS when humans step in...

                  There is only reality and it exists in only one moment.  Humans are not separate from nature, and that is what most religious people can't understand when atheists say they don't believe in God.  God is nature, it is the connection between us all...it isn't (in my opinion) some deity that exists outside of human experience, it is what makes up the entirety OF HUMAN EXPERIENCE.  So...yeah, you're God.  I'm God. 

                  Let me just leave you with this...it doesn't matter who believes in what God as long as they are not lying, stealing, hurting, or killing anyone because of it.

                2. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Your assumptions are wrong.

                  1. Merlin Fraser profile image79
                    Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Of course they are !

                    Thank you for pointing out that my entire academic achievements are as nothing when compared to yours.  It seems I cannot even read nor understand my own language nor interpret the meaning of words from a highly respected book of reference.

      2. superwags profile image82
        superwagsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm a little depressed to hear that, why?!

        Also are you a Christian?! I'd have thought you'd be Hindu with a nice Brahmin name like that!

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What has enlightenment got to do with being a Christian, Hindu or Muslim- nothing.

          1. superwags profile image82
            superwagsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I thought you were religious - I'd therefore say that it has quite a lot. What you're basically saying is that you have subjective enlightenment, I'd like to know subjective to what.

            I think it's a fair question - I wouldn't want to base my opinion of what you believe just because you have a name I'd associate with being Hindu in origin. And without telling anybody your beliefs it is difficult for me to have an opinion at all!

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I do have enormous respect for all the prophets.
              Subjective enlightenment?????

              I believe in God the Light.This is called by different names like Allah, Jevovah , Brahma etc the only difference is the language ,the entity is the same.

    11. aslanlight profile image77
      aslanlightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Perhaps they choose to remain ignorant of YOUR WAY of seeing things because of your ignorant attitude about them?

      1. Merlin Fraser profile image79
        Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You have to forgive him his rants, most of us around here only wind him up just to watch him whizz around bouncing off the walls.

        It used to be fun now sadly it's just a waste of time...

        As someone who has ancient Pagan beliefs that pre-date all religions I love to come here and watch the Creationists trying so desperately to justify their beliefs.  I sometimes wonder who it is they are trying to convince, not me that's for sure. For some reason it seems to annoy them when I tell them I know who invented their God... and when !

        I assume religious intolerance is a form of enforced ignorance, something that happens when you only have teachers who speak with one voice.  Thankfully I was taught to have an open mind, listen to all sides and make up my own mind, a concept that many on this site can neither accept nor understand.

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        For instance.

        1. Merlin Fraser profile image79
          Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          How long have you got ?

    12. Apostle Jack profile image60
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Some will and some won't,according to the increase.Everyone will not make it into the kingdom of Heaven.But there shall be some taken from every race and gender.But they all will not come.It is the way it was Predestine to be.

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Since there is no compulsion to make into the Kindom of Heaven; so there will be some who would fail to make it; then they can only blame thesmelves and none else.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image60
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No one will believe in anything that everyone say in this world.We have to pick and poke to find what is there in this existence for each one of us.Those that agree will be one,and those of other beliefs will be one in their form of presentation.And so....it is what it is.

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            There is no compulsion in religion; so difference would remain very naturally unless one is convinced heart and sould; and to convince or get convinced is my intention.

            1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
              Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You cant convince people who think logically. Show them facts. Thats the only way to convice them. The only people you will convince are probably just as likely to be convinced by any other religion, witchcraft, ghosts, bigfoot or some other nonsense.

              Is it really an accomplishment to convince people like that? Do you want heaven to be full of people like that?

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                paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Will you please tell me the chronological order of the following?

                Logic, science, atheism

                Which of them surfaced first, second and third?

                1. Druid Dude profile image60
                  Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  The question is ambiguous. To address the forum: If a sighted person is nonetheless blind, and also has functional ears with which to hear, yet in deafness they exist, what is that for me to question. If they are to hear, then they will hear, and if it is that they are to see, then, they will see. Not by my determination, but by their own, and the will of the creator.

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                  paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Logic ,philosphy, mathematics science are joint production of humanity; nothing special with the atheists

                3. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
                  Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Atheism was obviously first, then I would guess at logic and then science.

                  Why do you ask?

        2. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It would be silly not to want to go to the Kingdom of Heaven, knowing full well we'll spend an eternity with you?  smile

  2. superwags profile image82
    superwagsposted 5 years ago

    I tend to think that these never ending posts from Paar probably do more to damage the reputation of believers than promote it. It's just dull, turgid and the same old arguments.

    Change the record mate!

  3. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    I love the title.
    Reminds me of another.

    "Are you still beating your wife?"

  4. Thatguypk profile image77
    Thatguypkposted 5 years ago

    I find it as offensive to be called ignorant because I am an atheist, as others might find it offensive to be called a terrorist because one is a Muslim.

    1. Jefacity profile image59
      Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      atheism does not equal ignorance

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        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes;atheism and ignorance are different words.

  5. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    "I find it as offensive" These people not big on manners: the first rule of which is the consideration of others.

  6. Sarah Connor profile image60
    Sarah Connorposted 5 years ago

    Love conquers ignorance :-)

    1. Jefacity profile image59
      Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      : D

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Not true. wink

      1. Jefacity profile image59
        Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        hahaha we may hold different beliefs but i respect your right to yours

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Love doesn't conquer ignorance, simply because it is against human nature to love someone who chooses to remain ignorant. wink

          1. Jefacity profile image59
            Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It is mans higher nature to love his enemies. In some form or another most religious teachings tell us to forgive our enemies and show them kindness

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And, that's why man has killed every enemy ever encountered? Nice way of showing love.

              I love you so much I have to kill you. lol

              1. Jefacity profile image59
                Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well men can be rather foolish. A lot of times when people show up and say "hey lets all get along". they get killed.

                Gandhi, Christ, MLK JR, Malcolm X, etc. etc.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Now, for the $20,000 question- Do you know why?

                  1. Jefacity profile image59
                    Jefacityposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    well to me it's just a shame. human ignorance is a strong, strong thing. To kill the men that help us the most. I call it the growing pains of humanity.

                  2. superwags profile image82
                    superwagsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I do; they were all massives pains in the arse. I mean, they were great drivers of peace and equality, but god they didn't half go on.

                    No seriously, people tend to shoot people who's views they don't like. Particularly in the US.

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              paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The atheists don't perhaps love their friends even; how could they love their enemies?They don't have a role model to follow

              1. dingdondingdon profile image60
                dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                My role model is my mother (also atheist), who sacrificed so much of her time to raise me and teach me how to live life. And my father (atheist), who worked hard so that we could live in a good house and I could go to a good school. And one of my teachers (atheist), who always made time to explain something to me if I found it difficult or confusing.

                I don't need a deity to be my role model. I am not so jaded with humans that I believe we cannot be inspired by each other to do good.

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                just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hey paar. I'll admit the only person I've met that claimed to be an atheist was a bit of a twit. And there is some circumstantial evidence here that atheism does tend to be confrontational in nature. But that's quite a broad generalization you are making there. I'm sure there are a lot of atheists out there who are very nice people with lots of friends who consider them kind and loving. Somewhere. I'm sure you'd have to look really hard. For a very long time. But I have no doubt they exist.

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                  paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I have observed here that the atheists instead of proving their stance from science which they eulogize so much and so often; they find it easier to hide behind ridicule and derision. I think they are confrontational by their second nature; exceptions could be there though.

                  1. dingdondingdon profile image60
                    dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    We often talk about science here on the Hubpages forum. Have you not noticed?

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                    just_curiousposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, I always try to think it might not really be ridicule and derision. Maybe it's just their quirky sense of humor.  There's a lot of things people with different philosophies do here that I have trouble understanding why they do and say the things they do.

              3. Thatguypk profile image77
                Thatguypkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Forgive me for the suggestion, paarsurrey, but you do seem to talk a load of unsubstantiated drivel.
                This atheist does not turn to science to support his claims. I am an atheist based upon study of the Bible... and indeed the Koran... and a logical disbelief in the credibility of either book. 
                I believe there is as little chance of science ever explaining where we come from and where we are going to, as does religion. I therefore accept the 'mystery' of our existence, and try to live my life in a manner that is respectful to others.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      There you are right; the Creator-God is All-Merciful and loving. He has sent messengers prophets to guide us in our lives; it is his mercy an love; else we would have been ignorant.

  7. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    A similar question for you parra.

    Should the murdering muslims remain ignorant?

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Murdering Muslims don't follow the peaceful teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; they are being taken care of by their adversaries.

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    jomineposted 5 years ago

    According to paar, there is only one person who is truly religious, who truly understand god,
    any guess?
    That is
    paarsurrey.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this



      I never claimed that; I am a humble person in search of Truth.

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        jomineposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What else was you claiming with all these posts, that showed nothing else, but ignorance?

      2. aka-dj profile image79
        aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I tell you the truth all the time, but you don't listen.

        Not what I call humble. cool

  9. clark farley profile image75
    clark farleyposted 5 years ago

    yes, god willing they should...

  10. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    Should the Atheists remain ignorant?

    No they should join Islam and see if they can improve on killing 270 million people over it's history. lol

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    Should the Atheists remain ignorant?

    There is no harm if they improve their knowledge.

    1. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      But, there is great harm if Islamic propagandists do not improve their knowledge.

      1. Merlin Fraser profile image79
        Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Why on earth would they do that ?

        With a religious mindset stuck in neutral for over 1,500 years the rest of the world has move on and left them behind.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I would agree. But, I often wonder if that's the right thing to do.

          My problem is that I can't go around making claims how religions divide mankind and then allow myself to just move on leaving others behind. I would just be creating another us and them type of mentality.

          Frankly though, I think there is no stopping it now. The internet is getting everywhere and so is the information contained, and it continues to grow exponentially. And, if information is knowledge, those folks stuck in a religious mindset are going to eventually get and begin to understand that information and begin to understand they would much rather move on with the rest of the world rather than being stuck in neutral.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    The internet is getting everywhere and so is the information contained, and it continues to grow . And, if information is knowledge and sure it is, those folks stuck in an atheist agnostic apatheist skeptic mindset are going to eventually get and begin to understand that information and begin to understand they would much rather move on with the rest of the human world rather than being stuck and remain ignorant.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Not ALL written material is information. Therefore, NOT all written material on the Internet is knowledge.

      You cannot even distinguish between what is real or false. Which isn't a surprise that you cannot distinguish between what is information(relevant/irrelevant) and what is knowledge.

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    Please elaborate for us; I don't have any claim to sholarship or piety. Please

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If you have a need for an elaboration, then I suggest you talk to a teacher. roll

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    The atheists agnostics apatheists skeptics may be good teachers if they stick to reason; but most of the time they resort to riducle and derision; that may hamper their faculties to mature.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Those who practice religion only learn "do as I say, not as I do". Therefore, all of them are hypocrites.

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        SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Go back to where you started running from me Cags. Man up , if that`s what you are.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Run from you? Truly, you're blissful, if you know what I mean. tongue

        2. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol Nice to see some humor on the religious forums. lol lol lol

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hey Earnest, what's up?

            The oblivious continue to love to play games with words and the ignorance is just their blind inability to see beyond themselves. Isn't it just fun, when they love to show their petty side. tongue smile

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Not much mate, enjoying my retirement, getting lots of time with the GK's showing someone how to rebuild an automatic transmission, having fun on the forums and trying to protect the world from beliefs in fairies and such, how about you? smile

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Glad to hear you're enjoying your retirement and GKs. smile

                As for protecting the world from mystical beliefs? Naw....too many people like to choose ignorance over actually learning something. lol lol


                Edit: I'm doing well. Thank you for asking. smile

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You may get a giggle on this site. It has a few very funny facts. smile http://haveagoodlaugh.com.tripod.com/ha … /id23.html

                  I liked this one:

                  To "testify" was based on men in the Roman court swearing to a statement made by swearing on their testicles.

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                  paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It is good if the atheists learn something and add something to their knowlede; no harm.

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    The same could be said for YOU Paar. I mean, it's apparent you lack more than Atheist do. Too bad you won't admit it. hmm

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    People of Doubt- the Atheists know a little of the Work of the Creator-God and they are ignorant of the Word of God, altogether.

    Should the Atheists remain ignorant?

    I don’t think so; they need to improve their lot. Knowledge does not harm anybody; the why should they remain ignorant.

    1. Beelzedad profile image61
      Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      In other words, YOU are deciding what is good for atheists?

      Are you god?

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No, he just plays god. smile

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    The Atheists' knowledge of the Truthful Word revealed is little.

 
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