If there is a God, Why can we not see Him?
Iwould first like to remove one misconception
which commonly besets people with regard to
the existence of God. If there is a God, why are
we not able to see Him? This is hardly a new
question, and we have heard it from time
immemorial. The Holy Quran tells us that the same
question was put to the Holy Prophetsa by the nonbelievers
of Arabia. (Bani Isra’il 17:93)
Whenever I hear people raising this question, I feel
sorry for them.
It is such a pity that when man
stumbles and his reason becomes blunted by the
veils of indifference, he starts denying even the
self-evident truths. When this objection was raised
in the past—however absurd and baseless it was—
it had the potential to deceive some ignorant
But what surprises me is that this objection
should be raised in the present age! I am truly
astonished at the intellect of people who use such
objections to justify their denial of God. But as it is
a common objection, I will proceed to answer it,
There are different ways of learning about things.
For instance, we learn by sight, sound, taste, smell,
texture, or movement. All information we derive
from the various senses, have the same degree of
authenticity and credibility.
We cannot demand
that we must learn about something through a
particular sense, or else we shall deny its very
existence. The eyes, for example, are the medium
for perceiving different colours; the nose is used
for discerning different smells; and, the ears are for
Would it not be sheer insanity to
insist that unless we could see a certain smell with
our eyes, or smell a particular colour with our nose,
or feel a particular sound with our hands, we shall
not believe that it exists?
Whoever makes such
demands would be considered insane, and if
perchance he is not sent to the lunatic asylum, he
will certainly become a laughing stock for the
street urchins. Strange to say, people raise such
objections about God all the time and are still
Do they find nothing other than
God to make the object of their mockery?
No, you have it the wrong way round, it is insane to insist that something exists when it has never been shown to exist.
In other words, if you state something exists, then everyone else is insane because they don't believe you, and should be sent to a lunatic asylum or be a laughing stock.
Yes, lunatic asylums are full of people who don't believe in invisible entities.
Things which exist very naturally, around the world, are believed very naturally; one does not ask for their proof. A Truthful Theist believes in Creator-God Allah YHWH very natually the He exists.
And belief brings existence!!
I wholeheartedly "believe" there is an ice-cream cone that touches the sky.
Though I can't see it, as I believe it, it might be existing!!
Yes, I understand theists like yourself don't need any proof to believe in your gods, yet you turn to your holy books for your so-called proof.
In other words, you are lying based on your posts here.
The laws of gravity were discovered around 300 years back, ,so are you saying because it didn't exist in science its illogical to say gravity existed before that?
Science is still discovering laws or truths which already exist, they are not creating these laws, they are discovering these intelligent laws
Funny how you create a strawman fallacy and then imply it's one that I created.
That's nice. I'm glad.
If its an intelligent debate without slang and abuse they cant win
I dont know what is more disconcerting. The fact that you posted a strawman as if it has any relevance to the point in question, or the fact that you got a compliment for posting it.
You can't see the wind,but you can see the reaction of it.You can't see,"Spoken Words"be fore they are written down,but you can feel the affects of them.That is the way God is.Unseen,but active.
How can you prove that He don't exist.I say the He do and have evidence one on one concerning Him.Can you prove otherwise?No,you can't.So there goes your none existence theory.
You can say the same thing about leprechauns and unicorns and arrive at the exact same conclusion. So what?
When you tell me I don't have what I have,and can't prove it,you make yourself look bad.I speak on a personal concept about my God's existence in this world.I have no doubt what so ever.Can you prove me to be a liar?
If not,then your none existent God theory is nothing but crap.
Again, your argument is no different from someone claiming leprechauns exist.
Show me your god and I'll agree with you.
You are,or maybe one of those that will never come to believe.God is already here in many presentations of our existence.Only some are meant to see and understand it.
You may very well want to pause and reflect before going down the "I am Special" road as it will undoubtedly lead to fostering one intellectually dishonest claim after another.
And, if that is going to be your position, I would much rather admit defeat and agree with you that you are indeed special and that you can see those things that are invisible to the rest of us.
It's all in your mind.
You've already made the assumption a god exists, even though it's unseen. Thus, you're not removing a misconception. You are just perpetuating the hoax.
You would be correct, it's not a new question. However, it's just as irrelevant as religion.
Quoting from junk religion isn't going to help you.
And, every time you open your mouth to spout about a god, others feel sorry for you, because you cannot be responsible enough to accept your life and truth about it.
If you saw a self-evident truth, I'm not even sure you are intelligent to actually recognize it.
Baseless is pulling something from religion, such as a god, when one isn't required for living or understanding life.
I'm sure you are surprised. It would be nothing new. However, the probability of a god existing to begin with, with present knowledge, is non-existent. It's a shame you don't understand that or cannot fathom it.
There isn't a denial of a god. The probability is non-existent.
Actually, you cannot answer it and any attempt to bring a non-existent probable god into reality, shows how much you lack in knowledge.
See, you lack knowledge. A perfect and shining example.
Your limited knowledge isn't a surprise.
You denying the probability is your problem.
No one is mocking or making a mockery of a god, because to do so, would admit on does exist. Those who claim a god exists, apparently do not understand that the probability is NON-EXISTENT. Thus, people do not mock a god, but mock the belief one exists.
Everything you say is a mockery to yourself just by thinking the way you do.Because you don't know,you think that no one else does.You sound like a person on dope,and don't know an apple from an orange.You are one of those that think that 2and 2 is 5 instead of 4.
When a person don't know,they will say anything to fill the gap.Some know and some don't,some will and some won't.Not everyone was meant to believe.That is the way it is predestine by God.Satan have His people,and God have His people.Each will be to their own cause.
I am a witness for God and His presence in this world and it goes beyond theories,make believe,maybes,assumptions,and I think so.
I have been to the mountain top,and I have seen what is there.That makes me a witness.............that,is Evidence.
Top of the mountain in your own mind. For sure, you would suppose it is evidence. Too bad the probability of a god existing doesn't support you.
On the contrary,it is not supported by you,but your words are empty cans in the face of experience.
You are one of those that,if you were burn by a match,you would let someone else tell you that it did not happen.That is not intelligence,it is blind love.
You make yourself look bad by telling me where I have and have not been.
An empty wagon make the most noise.
Yep. You use Goddunnit to fill the gap.
And I suppose you were told this by God Himself?
Only in your imagination...Only in your imagination. Absurd.
Yet those are the only things you base your beliefs on.
This is nothing but childish whimsical irrational nonsense. You have NO evidence AT ALL of your claims.
I have evidence that you have no clue as to what you are talking about.Because you live in a hole in the ground,don't blame it on no one but yourself.If you could prove what you are saying,that would be good,But you can;t,which make you like the all the rest that believe as you do which defines,a well without water.Your words are like a brain without matter,it is good for nothing.
Ok, let's see this evidence. Do you really have evidence, or are you just spouting off a temper tantrum?
Just show us your evidence.
And I'm quite sure that it wouldn't matter if I proved it without a doubt, you would still go right on believing in your non-existent God.
Although current science has found NO evidence for the existence of your God, you say it is me with the dry well. You are amusing.
You don't need to resort to childish personal insults, just show some proof of your claims.
These insults seem nothing but a smoke screen. Look, if you are as confident about your beliefs as you seem, you should have no problem proving them to be true. So let's see your evidence, and, PLEASE, stop with the childish insults.
Spiritual knowledge is the first evidence concerning my spirit and the concept of Spiritual-Celestial- Spirituality.Next is the experience of this existence within my spirit,of which I am a Celestial Spirit within a physical body.Next is The supernatural which I have both seen and have knowledge of. I don't have to have no ones ok in order to have this presence and confidence of spirit.I live within it's image and spiritual integrity.
For one to call me a lie,will have to be a matter of them proving it not to be so,which I have no doubt it will be to no avail......for the dye is already
cast.Don't call my belief childish and all the other names you use to express yourself about my faith and you won't get what I call a strong defense to the matter.Look at yourself first concerning name calling and it could a better day for both of us.I am as deep in mine as you are in yours concerning our existence.
That is proof of absolutely nothing but a delusion inside of YOUR head. Where is the proof for the rest of us to see? Oh yeah...you don't have any!
Because a delusion is stubborn, and becomes reality for the deluded mind.
Strong defense? Don't make me laugh! You have no defense at all. Nothing but childish insults.
I never called you any names. I only spoke about your ridiculous beliefs. Detach yourself from them and you won't feel offended.
The only exception is that I live in the real world.
Some will never see and will never learn.You are one of those.It don't matter how many words there are in this world,it is still not enough to express for one like you to convince.
You can't prove that He don't exist,but call others a lie that say He do exist but have nothing to show.That make you and the Atheist group a little retarded and unintelligent.
When you call one a liar....you have to prove it.Otherwise you make yourself look bad and a little insane.
Sure; he cannot; even all atheists combined cannot
You have not provided ANY proof. If you did, I would totally embrace your beliefs.
So since I can't prove that Thor doesn't exist, should I believe in Thor as well?
I think people stopped using the word retarded a few decades ago...really really sorry you haven't been exposed to reality for so long.
Have a nice day.
Please see the synonym in a dictionaly and may use the word presently in vogue; no compulsion
All Atheist use that as an excuse to remain as they are.It don't work.There is a stop sign ahead of you........pay attention to it.Thor is a fantasy,that fiction have already been proven to be a lie.Your life seem to be more animated that real.
So if they can't prove that your God is NOT real, tell me how they proved that Thor is NOT real? Please explain that to us retarded insane atheist...we iz wonting to beleeb in Jeebus!
Indeed! We all Want to believe in jesus!
Who wouldn't want to live forever in paradise?
I wanted to be superman when I was little, and my grandson wants to be known as superspiderman.
Fortunately neither of us think the characters are real but we enjoyed the myths anyway.
My grandson is already at an age where he would not believe in religion without indoctrination, and through good schooling and a loving home he can think for himself very well.
His school teaches tolerance of all beliefs, and supports none of them.
Why make him secluded; let him know of all the religions and find Truth; why are you biased against the Truth?
I repeat, his school teaches tolerance, and he is like all my children, completely free to discuss religion with any of the teachers, or any of the 900 children from 35 countries and a multitude of beliefs who are students at the same school.
None of my family are isolated from anyone, we live a very normal life, as do most people regardless of their religious or other beliefs.
My older brother and sister and myself once watched a Martian movie, and for awhile we thought we could disappear, just like the Martians did in the movie. We even prayed to God that He give us the Martain powers to disappear. I was about seven or eight at the time. We look back at that event now, and laugh like crazy.
No! Common sense will not work. Your reasoning is absolutely ridiculous. You have not provided any proof, yet you say atheist have no reason to disbeleif you. If one were to use that type of reasoning everyday, he would be taken advantage of in the worst way.
Even if there isn't one, according to your logic, I'm to blindly believe, regardless...there is never any proof required...just acceptance.
If you told me there was an alligator in my bed, I would call animal control, even if I didn't see any evidence of an alligator...before I went to bed.
Then if animal control found no evidence of an alligator, I would still believe that there was an alligator in my bed, unshakably!
YEEAAHH!!! that works!!!
So far I have mentioned only the physical senses
through which we acquire knowledge of various
worldly phenomena. But there are countless other
things which we cannot experience through any of
our physical senses. Yet we have the same degree
of certainty about them as about the others.
Take the magnetic force, for instance. Can we see it with
our eyes, or hear it with our ears, or smell it with
our noses, or taste it with our tongues, or touch it
with our hands? No, but none of us ever denies its
We do not see the force of magnetism,
but we believe that the magnet has some additional
force, besides its obvious properties, which can
only be observed by its characteristics and not
directly through our senses.
Likewise electricity: we never for a moment deny its existence and
believe in it just as we believe in the sun, the moon,
the mountains and the rivers.
The Islamic propagandist will stoop to the lowest forms of intellectual dishonesty by using examples from the real world and comparing them to their beliefs in a god.
Unfortunately for them, their elementary, one dimensional thinking processes can be vexed out with ease.
is the way to understand the reality; a rational and reasonable way.
No, you are using those examples in order to support your propaganda.
Paar does have a separate agenda, but it is a good place to let the fur fly. One can "see" God, but in a different perspective to "see" God is to die. What unbelievers fail to see is that, yes, God is a contradiction, but that is what makes him God. Mankind is a contradiction. Just look at the rest of the inhabitants of this planet, and that becomes clear.
It is simply so easy to copy and paste a non-answer.
But you are not proposing reality. Your proposition is based on those things that have nothing to do with reality...as in make believe...We don't have to make believe that the magnetic field is there, or that gravity is there, but we HAVE to make believe that your Allah-God-Creator is there. Totally.
Belief in the existence of the Creator-God is very natural , like one believes many things in nature when one gets conciousness; so should one have belief in the Creator-God; other things are additional.
Yeah, primitive man, through his ignorance of the cosmos, naturally believed that the forces of nature were orchestrated by some Super Being, but we are no longer primitive, ARE WE?
Belief in God is actually a denial of consciousness. It is only imaginary, as it can't be discerned through any of man's senses...making it nonsensical...and...really...irrelevant.
Try to improve your perceptions by understanding Word revealed.
I already recognize the aspects of my life I am ignorant in and that's not one of them, but nice try. It might actually be helpful if you actually understood how to utilize perception, in order to maximize the truth. Anything less, and you don't have truth.
So you say that your God can't be perceived through our natural senses, but that I have the wrong perception.
Just what kind of bizarre senses are you proposing...and could you please describe them, and explain how to use them, so that the rest of us "unconscious" infidels can 'know' God.
Human beings have been endowed with wisdom by the Creator-God; one cannot see God with natural senses; one can see Him with one's eye of wisdom. Try it, please
Consider the sentiment of love. Has anyone ever
seen, heard, smelled or touched love? If there is
any reader of this book who truly cherishes love
and has felt it in his heart, I ask him whether he has
not experienced in his small heart—which might
weigh less than half a pound—the boundless sea of
love, which, can be considered one of the most
powerful and awesome of natural forces in a storm.
It generates so much energy and power into the
feeble human frame, that for the sake of the
beloved he challenges the mountains, roams the
deserts, takes on the beasts of the jungle, jumps
into fires and faces the raging tempests of the sea,
but never gives up. He keeps vigil during the
nights, wanders about during the day like one
possessed and his life ebbs from his eyes, but never
Is there anyone who can deny the
existence of this force, even though no one has ever
seen, heard, smelled, tasted or touched it?
Time, age, power, sense, lust, anger, mercy—to mention
but a few—are examples of things which we
believe in but they have never been directly
perceived by our physical senses.
You go to great lengths, trying to convince others that your non-existent God is a reality, but you can't see that your God is not even related to the things you have listed here...because your God is totally imaginary.
Try to see the difference...or are you just that desperate?
It is, therefore, childish to insist that unless we
obtain knowledge of something by a particular
means, we will not believe in its existence. The
point is to gain knowledge from whichever
direction it come. Once the purpose is attained all
else is resolved.
If someone says that he will only believe that he
has seen inside a room if he is led into it by
breaking the roof and not if he simply enters
through the door, I would suspect that he wishes to
blow off the roof rather than see the room. Once he
has entered the room, it matters not whether he
entered through the roof or through the door. After
all you can only enter through the passage specified
To demand a passage of one’s own choice is
sheer insanity. And if we were to fulfil such a
demand, others would start making similar
demands. In other words, people want God to
become a toy for their imagination, and keep
changing His attributes like an impersonator (God
forbid) so that everybody’s fancy should be
It is unfortunate indeed that people have not truly
recognised their God. (al-Hajj 22:75)
Do try to understand that the less subtle a thing, the
easier it can be observed through physical senses,
and the more subtle it is, the harder it is for the
physical senses to experience it.
It is for this reason
that when we try to learn about subtle things we
have to depend on their properties and their
behaviour, rather than on direct observation.
How then is it possible for God—Who is not only
Himself the most Subtle Being but is also the
Creator of every subtle thing—to be seen by our
The objection of the critics that they
will not believe in God until they see Him with
their eyes is, therefore, absurd.
It would imply that the critic either believes God to be a corporeal being, or at least wants God to assume a corporeal
form so that he can be absolutely sure by seeing
Him with his own eyes.
But the trouble is that there
are millions of blind people in this world. Would
they too not have the right to demand that God
should assume some other material form so that
they may taste, smell or feel Him? Does this not
amount to ridiculing God? How shameful for a
man who professes to have a mind and a heart!
If someone says that he would not believe in God
unless he sees Him with his own eyes, all I should
say is that if God could be seen with one’s eyes, He
would not be worth believing at all. This is because
in such case many of His other attributes would be
He is Incorporeal, for instance, but in this
case He would become corporeal. He is Infinite but
would become finite and so on and so forth.
Moreover, if God were to adopt a corporeal and
finite form for your sake, what is there to guarantee
that you would not reject Him saying that you do
not believe in a corporeal and finite God?
If God exists, it can only be in spirit. It would never be provable in the physical world, so any that feel they have evidence could only speak from personal knowledge. I have no doubt that if it's true all humans would have the ability to connect, we are all the same in our makeup; we simply lack the knowledge to be able to do it at will.
He is meant to be seen in other ways.Not everyone was meant to be saved nor believe,so every thing is as it should be.
This OP is completely insane.
Paar, did you post this just to get a laugh?
If so, you are a master comedian!
Really we shouldn't care if people don't believe. Some are not meant to.
If God is seen, we may just interprate it as another object in nature and not God. So by definition God cannot NECESSARILY be seen! even if we all resurrect in a paradise, this will not proof God's existence. Whether we will keep on leaving forever will just still be a matter of faith. God (like) actions like what can be regarded at least in abstract sence as creation are ASSUMED to exist. then ressurection. In other words God has a perfectly sencible 'mental reality' it is just like we assume and not proof that other people are conscious as you. It is a deep conviction.
God is duality, un-manifested. God contains the two polar opposites of every attribute.
i.e. God could not be just if he is all mercy, so he is both.
God is without limit therefore he can't be just one of anything because that would limit God.
We call God him because it's easier to pick one instead of saying him/her. And since in ancient days men were the leaders..well, you get it.
deb ty for sharing your ideas . as for me im building my own idea but im not insisting in it. i hope in god. i cant pidgin hole its potential or form. i hope its bigger than anything we've imagined it to be.
There is God and we cannot see Him physically but feel Him spiritual, the righteous will see Him in the final day and live with Him forever.
He forgot to add "and they all lived happily ever after. The end."
BE PATIENT. Everyone will get a chance to see God. Be careful what you wish for...Besides, do you have any idea what the logistics of these personal appearances are? It's a PR nightmare! Worse than a day out with the POPE! Elvis and the Beatles together wasn't as bad! Maybe if you throw in the Rolling Stones...naw, even tossin' in the Hell's Angels was a picnic compared to just ONE NIGHT of the Big Guy's road tour.
the basic problem with god is to know him is a personal journey. They say "believer show me god!!". the problem is no one can ever show you god. No one can reveal god to you. No one can make his glory real to you. It's really just your choice in life to believe whatever you choose to believe.
Even though god will help you in anyway possible he doesn't give a crap if you believe in him or not. He's not going to descend from the heavens to help you and "save you". Your all on your own to discern the truth.
I found it very easy to know him personally as a christian, then I educated my way out of the indoctrination helped by the absurdity of the myths themselves.
For a god who doesn't give a crap who believes in it, it sure goes crazy and makes death threats when they don't!
You can only flog the same link on a forum for a while, parra, then someone is gonna notice apart from all the people you try to annoy with your thread titles, and you will find yourself banned.
I have never seen so many links to one file here before, and we used to have a mechanism that stopped them automatically.
All you ever do is make another pointless statement followed by your link. If that is not spamming, what is your definition of spamming?
13 months, 2 hubs, and ranked no.1 on the religion forum. Says a lot about an empty headed ego to me.
It does seem so, but having spent a bit of time in muslim countries I would say a heavily indoctrinated one. I have moral credentials on that one. I knocked back a massive pay check because of the way one muslim businessman treated his family.
One could answer the arguments if one has one; no compulsion
I have no idea where you got a single word response paara, and you are a closed shop who will use any tactic you can think of to avoid real discussion. Your views are well understood by all here, and rejected by most.
God is like the sea and sky - so immense - beyond our human comprehension.
I remain amazed that God has provided every possible delight - smell, vision, sense and yes sex too and so many diverse possibilities in people, places, plants and yet we want God to be one box. God is as diverse as the sea life, as diverse as the many birds that fly above. God is beautiful whether young or old. God is with us - always and everywhere - he is in every religion - even in the evil ones who actively fight God.
God is everywhere - seek and ye shall find.
Great forum post - thank you!
You can see God all around you. You just need spiritual eyes to see. To deny the existence of God is like saying there is no sky or sea or breath in your lungs; There is no infinite universe or life itself. To deny God is to deny yourself and all of life and existence. To deny God is to say of yourself and all of life that you are nothing and mean nothing. God says you, your life and what you do with your life, matters! God says that his creation and all in it matters. It is a simple choice between a nihilist view and a conviction that all life has meaning! Seems like an easy choice if you think about it.
This is absolutely futile. So many statements with nothing valid to offer.
In all my years around the church, I have never heard anyone ask the question that is posed in the OP.
Much ado about nothing.
here is a science article that says it could be possible
Asking “Where did God come from” is a lot like reading a John Grisham novel and saying “This book has lawyers and judges and secretaries, but what page is John Grisham on?”
The answer of course, is that John Grisham is not in the novel at all. He lives outside of the novel. He wrote it. He created the time line, the story and the characters. The novel is a book with a finite number of pages, a beginning and an end. But John Grisham lives a life that extends far beyond that book.
Similarly, God lives outside of space and time. He created space. He created time. He is confined to neither of these things. It’s somewhat of a stretch for most of us to imagine that, but a physicist or mathematician will attest that it’s entirely reasonable. There is nothing absurd or illogical to speak of dimensions outside of space and time; in fact additional dimensions are necessary to rationally explain the universe. String theory in modern physics defines 11 dimensions, four of which we experience.
Human experience, without exception, is that all effects have causes. There are no uncaused causes. The inevitable conclusion is that the laws of physics explain how the universe operates but they don’t explain how it got here. All explanations require an “eternal” ingredient. The existence of anything at all demands an uncaused cause. So we never escape the question ‘where did it all come from.’
A purely physical explanation (i.e. materialism, or an atheistic belief that says that there is no such thing as a metaphysical world) relies on as-of-yet undiscovered principles of physics. It requires faith, if you will, that someday we’ll discover a way for matter and energy to come from nothing.
Another problem faced by materialistic explanations is entropy. Entropy says that the universe is cooling down, that energy is being converted from usable forms to unusable forms, and that this process is irreversible. Processes with entropy happen, by definition, over a finite period of time. An infinitely old universe with entropy would now be cold and dead. Once again, the universe can’t be infinitely old. It had to have a cause.
So science as we know it now cannot possibly explain this. The only logical explanation is a cause outside of space and time – which of course is consistent with the definition of God that theists have held for thousands of years.
Science does not refute this; in fact a truly scientific assessment of the facts is that all purely materialistic answers to the origins question blatantly violate the laws of physics.
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