[21:20] To Him belongs whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. And those who are in His presence do not disdain to worship Him, nor do they weary; [21:21] They glorify Him night and day; and they flag not. [21:22] Have they taken gods from the earth who raise the dead? [21:23] If there had been in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside Allah, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, above what they attribute. [21:24] He cannot be questioned as to what He does, but they will be questioned. [21:25] Have they taken gods beside Him? Say, ‘Bring forth your proof. Here is the Book of those with me, and the Book of those before me.’ Nay, most of them know not the truth, and so they turn away. http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=22
"[21:23] If there had been in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside Allah, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, above what they attribute."
Sounds like the same general concept the Muslim I was talking to mentioned. Why would both have gone to ruin? Your book doesn't say.
The word la-fasadata (f-s-d) is translated as ruin and also has the meaning of disorder or chaos.
The reasons are mentioned in this word. The Universe is working in one system; two gods will mean two systems for the universe which will ruin the system and create disorder in the universe as is very obvious.
I think the primary point that answers your question is the 'lord of the throne' part. The buck probably has to stop somewhere. Any belief in gods would lead to the concept of one over all. Which would cause the others to slowly take a back seat as more and more worshiped the one above the others. Or, so it would seem to me.
I find it MUCH more difficult to imagine how a single God could exist. Everything in our experience, living or not, is part of a larger community of like items. Multiple animals, multiple species, multiple rocks, multiple planets and suns. About the only thing we believe to be singular is the universe itself, and that is probably because it is, in a way, a human concept for everything else.
Or I just don't form a belief about it and leave it at that. I know you are telling me you love T bone. I've heard your nickname is T bone. And, I looked in your shopping cart last time you went to the supermarket. There was at least one T bone in there. You can't push my leg and tell me it's raining. lol....
So many people says so many thing about this god stuff, that it is very confusing. Let them first decide what this thing is, then we can talk about whatever it is.. Creation?? Well theists don't care whether there is merit in their arguments?
Oh so you have heard of it. Too bad. The Catholics say if you never heard of it you don't automatically go to hell for not worshiping it. But once you have heard of it there is no excuse not to worship it. I thought you were one of the lucky ones. lol...
I agree that it should be better defined. But generally speaking we don't have to know exactly what it is as long as we define it as that which created or produced the universe and everything in it.
That could mean it is just a natural process. If it is, and that's my take on it, then it is a lot of related processes working together as one.
"There can be only one God, because two forces in the universe, of that magnitude, would surely become jealous of each other and fight for dominance."
It sounds like this person was referring to a God as in capital "G," not a lowercase "g." This would be consistent with the Muslim mentality, which is almost pathologically monotheist: "there is no god but Allah, blah, blah."
A god can be any powerful supernatural deity. But if you define "God" as the ONLY all-powerful and all-knowing entity in existence, then, by definition, there can only be one. It's simple semantics, as is typical.
"But if you define "God" as the ONLY all-powerful and all-knowing entity in existence, then, by definition, there can only be one. It's simple semantics, as is typical."
Yes. But the question I put to him is: "Why can there be only one god? Why not a dozen?" and he answered with the above.
I think it says a lot about what his god is like, as wilderness mentioned above. The same as the Christian god, in fact. He's a jealous mess and would kill another god if it existed. And people worship this thing? lol....
You mean, like a dictatorship works but a system of democracy would not?
So, again we see evidence of one entity destroying the other in order to gain absolute power over all. I wonder what sort of doctrine would teach that type of decision making process to it's followers?
Gender is only for the mortal beings; for continuation of life; for the Immortal it is a blemish:
[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. [112:2] Say, ‘He is Allah, the One; [112:3] ‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all. [112:4] ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten; [112:5] ‘And there is none like unto Him.’ http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … php?ch=112
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