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Why is God a"He"?

  1. cheaptrick profile image64
    cheaptrickposted 5 years ago

    I've never gotten an answer that explains why God is a"HE".I'm wondering if God choose to be a"He" and if so,Why?The bible says Gods a"HE"but doesn't tell us Why?Isn't being a"She"just as good?or an"It"or anything else?So please enlighten me as to why God is a"He"...cause inquiring minds need to know.

    1. aka-dj profile image79
      aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It's not a term of gender.
      God is not "male". It's to do with authority.
      He gave Adam, and through Adam, EVERY man has authority, (headship) ect. As each man is supposed to lead, teach, direct, rule, decide, oversee etc. it's a reflection of God,s authority.

      I suppose if He made it so women were in that role, (which many assume right now, incorrectly) then God would have referred to Self as "She".

      1. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        This is a bit confusing.How do you determine that"he" applies to gender in people but"He"does not apply to God as gender.You say that God gave authority to Adam who was a"He".Fair enough,but why was Adam a"He"?Why didn't God make a Woman first since women are the carriers of children and men have little to do with it.Wouldn't that make women more important to God's plan for humanity?Your last bit contradicts your first,you say God is not a"He" then you use"He",then you use"She"which you discount.I'm more confused now than I was before.

        1. Spirit Whisperer profile image84
          Spirit Whispererposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          How could God who is perfection make anything that is imperfect? The world and everything in it is an elaborate illusion, a construct of mind and not God's creation.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well ,one things for sure if you spend enough time on these forums you most definately can see God has a sense of humour lol

            1. My Esoteric profile image88
              My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              LOL

              1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I beg to differ,I see nothing funny about ignorance concerning God.It is a sad story to be told.

      2. getitrite profile image81
        getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Nonsense.  It's a reflection of male authority.  God hasn't given anybody anything.



        You God is a misogynistic pig.  But you just go right along with this bias.  How insane.

        Yes you should rest your case, because your answers are invalid and archaic.

        1. Druid Dude profile image61
          Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ya'll should be learnin' ta read. Image of God = male and female.

          1. getitrite profile image81
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The image of God can be anything that any delusional person thinks it is.  That's the problem.

            What the h3ll does that have to do with reading?

          2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Proverbs 3:5

            Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

            Y'all come back now wink

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Tell the truth and shame the devil.

        2. aka-dj profile image79
          aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          OOOOOHHHH!

          What a nice man you are. hmm

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Don't you mean an honest man? Actually he is a nice person.

            The biblical god is a monster. smile

            1. aka-dj profile image79
              aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks Ernie, I'm sure he is nice (to those he wants to be nice to).
              He can have any view of God he wants, I don't really care about that.
              I assume you read what he said about me though, right?
              Not very nice, in my opinion, but, hey, some people are like that.

              I used to snap back, but I'm over it nowadays.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I saw what was said. I also see what you have said on this thread and others. He doesn't like your beliefs. smile

            2. heavenbound5511 profile image79
              heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              God isn't a monster.
              The people that are sinning against God cause all the monstrosities.
              God has given us mercy and grace through Jesus.
              Thank God for the mercy He gave us in Jesus or we would all get exactly what we deserve!
              wink

              1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I think they are going through some of that now.They brought nothing with them TO THE TABLE  and they took nothing away when they left.So nothing from nothing leaves nothing.

              2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Amen heaven bound ,what a cool nic smile

              3. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Amen. Give God the glory. smile

        3. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You can tell when one is between a rock and a hard place is when they will say anything to make a point.

          1. getitrite profile image81
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Is that your excuse, Jack?  Is that why you say the disturbingly foul things you say?  So you feel like you are between a rock and a hard place, huh?!

            I thought it was surely mental illness... because you display some very disturbing signs.  Please understand, I'm serious when I say that, in my opinion, You should not be allowed on internet forums.  In fact you should never be allowed to converse with the general public.

            Your statements are too silly to even consider a response...
            and speaking of responses, you never read them, CORRECTLY, anyway.

            I'm not a mental health worker, but I do have a social service background, and I sincerely hope you are getting the help you need.

                                 cause you sure need it!

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I know what you mean.When you find out that you are out of your league in knowledge,and can't win because you don't have enough to add up to anything so you fold like a dish rag,point your finger,and make up plenty of excuses.Your kind is well known.

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes its sad ,when you dont agree with some people they throw tantrums like a spoiled 2yr old who cant get their own way.

                Quite immature to see adults being rude,just no need for it.

                Apostle J ,you have just as much to share your opinion on here as anyone else.

                Its a public forum smile

                By the way I have a social work degree too ,but Im not so arrogant to assume to know whose mental or not?

                Maybe if I put on a suit that will make me a Lawyer or Politician lol

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Thanks for your kind words of welcome.They are bumping their heads against the wall and wonder why they have headaches all the time.

                  1. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    No, "they" are for the most part are living normal happy un-indoctrinated lives.smile

                  2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    lol  lol

              2. getitrite profile image81
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Sometimes people in mental wards throw their excrement at their caregivers.  Why they do this, I don't know.  Maybe it's a need to try to gain control, in a world they don't understand.

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It's been a very smelly thread this one, even my old Labrador left the room, and he is the one who usually empties the room around here. smile

        4. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What books have brainwashed you?Or did you get those thoughts all by yourself.

      3. couturepopcafe profile image60
        couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        HE referred to HIMSELF as I AM not as HE.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Good point! glad you made it,not that it will make much sense here lol

        2. aka-dj profile image79
          aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I understand your point.
          However, it doesn't quite answer the question.

          Jesus (the human representation of ) God, came as a man.
          He referred to His Father (God) repetitively, as Father, not neuter nor as feminine.
          He also used pronouns, "he, his, him" when referring to God (the Father).

          1. couturepopcafe profile image60
            couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Excellent point.  I assume in the collective language the pronoun 'he' would reference in generality or collectivity, sort of a catch-word.  I don't believe there is an actual gender but your point of authority is taken.  In the assignment of words it would make sense that God was and is referred to as 'he'.

            The reference of the female as negative, dark, earth, etc. is strictly in the sense of opposites, necessary to make the one as in negative and positive charges, or dark night and light day and so on.  The idea that the female side of Man has anything to do with death or devils (as Kess states below) is purely an archaic convolution of religion and men's fear of God's reprisal.

          2. couturepopcafe profile image60
            couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I do stand by my original post.  The 'father' does not refer to himself as he but as I AM.  The son who came in human form lived as a human and used the language understood by humans.  As stated above, it could be simply a collective term.

            1. CreateSquidoo profile image58
              CreateSquidooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, I agree too. Our language really has a great effect with the way how we address Him.

      4. CreateSquidoo profile image58
        CreateSquidooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hello Cheaptrick - I think it really doesn't matter if God is literally a He 'cause no one really knows it except God.

        However, Jesus Christ addresses God as our Father especially when Jesus Christ prayed before he was captured and crucified. And therefore it's a He.

        Ideally, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one and may consider as He. Even Jesus Christ said He is God the Father Himself yet was born in a human form, half God and half man.

        And I agree with Aka-Dj. It's not really about the gender which we are used to know just because of the genitalia differences.

        It's because of authority and power which is why we always spelled it with a capital H 'cause he is God. But we never really know as God is supreme and doesn't have a human form. We just have to believe what the bible says about Him as the bible is the word of God. We can't question him logically.

        Kind regards

        1. cheaptrick profile image64
          cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It IS a Beautiful day,fixin to go to the beach...And thank you for your civility,rather rare around these parts.
          I'm not arguing the biblical use of"HE",I'm asking Why He,why not Jesus as a Woman and God as a woman.Everything else stays the same,cool.So why HE?Also,if the bible is"The"word...why dose John end his gospel with"These are just a"FEW"of the things Jesus said and did.If you put them all into books,they would fill up the Whole World"....kind of an arrow pointing to"Out Side"works that are not In the Bible...Contradiction of"Bible Only",with What John himself says don't ya think?
          And hope your having a wonderful day as well:D

          SEE Y'ALL,I can be civil when approached in a civil manner."Give what you Get"is my mantra HA!!

          1. couturepopcafe profile image60
            couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Cheaptrick - I believe Jesus appeared as a male because males traditionally held authority, property and respect.  It made the whole thing credible.

            Perhaps John's 'sense' of the enormity of the Word points toward a higher conciousness which is well beyond the understanding of most.  The guidebook known as the New Testament indicates that each of us is capable of all the things which Jesus accomplished including walking on water, healing, dying and appearing as light/pure energy.  The mind is far more complex than we can imagine and although we are potentially capable we are distracted by our present condition.

            1. My Esoteric profile image88
              My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Couturepopcafe, let me add on to Cheaptrick's kudo's about the civility of the this particular thread; others I ran down were rather gruesome.

              Anyway, I agree with your first two reasons, authority and property but I am not sure respect enters into it.  In research I have done for hubs I have been writing that goes back to about 500 B.C. so far, in what is today Greece and the Middle East woman had no standing at all; they were one step above a slave and no one was shy in saying so, it appears.  Remember, women were considered legal chattel in Louisianna into the early 1900s and it took the need for women to work the factories in WWI to get the 19th Amenedment passed in America.  Until then, women didn't have very many more rights than they did in 200 B.C. believe it or not.

              One last example.  The Taliban practice the Old Testament version of the relationship between men and women and as we have seen, it isn't a nice one.

              It was clearly a man's world, women were only a tool.  That is why I believe God is a HE in the Bible.

      5. Jefsaid profile image81
        Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Nature operates across the spectrum via two different poles e.g. positive, negative, life, death, good, bad, night, day etc...  Male and female are but the same principal with one being the balance of the other.  I would suggest that in earlier times when women were essentially nurturers and men protectors, men also evolved as leaders and dictators.  It was therefore inevitable that when religious tales were being constructed, they were written by men with the perception that life's ruler could only be a man...

    2. lizzieBoo profile image78
      lizzieBooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, and why do we sing hymns and not hers?, why Amen and not Awomen?

      1. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I for one,Love singing hers!...and hers...and hers...and...infinity

    3. kess profile image60
      kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I am sure I gave someone the answer a little while back....not sure if it was you....

      But then again any answer the person does not like it deemed incorrect anyway....

      wonder why they ask in the first place knowing that they already know the answer....

      1. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It was not me Kess,I've just lately resumed coming to this forum.I'm sure I would remember an answer to this question.So please,if it's not to much trouble,explain it again.

        1. kess profile image60
          kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Maleness is symbolic of wholeness Oneness, perfection....God, Life

          Femaleness is symbolic of duality, imperfection....Devil, Death


          Adam the single Male became divided in two male female, therefore signifying his death...

          But death/woman is nececssary for reproduction..

          And from the duality of Death/woman come Life/Male..

          So we have Fathers and Sons in the kingdom of heaven...

          The feminine belongs to the earth alone, and if the feminine will ascend she must become Male..

          There is much more to it if you begin to look....

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            klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Kess, you try to convince her of that one! Good luck, buddy! hmm

            http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5107712_f248.jpg

            1. kess profile image60
              kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              need not convince anyone of anything...people will be who they are..that allright with me...

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            klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this



            Does this mean that Adam was the first bisexual? Sounds to me like he was having some serious issues.

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            Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Uh.........HUH?

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              klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol Priceless!

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                Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                LOL, thanks.  Kess doesn't usually make much sense to me, but this one is really mind boggling.

          4. PlanksandNails profile image89
            PlanksandNailsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Kess,

            It seems that you are applying the text in the *gnostic* gospel according to Thomas to what you are saying.

            verse(114)

            (1) Simon Peter said to them: "Let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life."
            (2) Jesus said: "Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male,
            so that she too may become a living male spirit, similar to you."
            (3) (But I say to you): "Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

          5. couturepopcafe profile image60
            couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Kess, you have an interesting perspective on this subject, as always.  I'm not supporting any book or ideology but very few 'religions' support the idea that the female represents 'death' in some way, voodooism being one.  Those who practice the dark arts are another example of those who believe that the female holds some mysterious power which should be contained lest she release her demons. 

            According to Christian belief, Adam was not actually divided but was the provider of the rib from which the woman was 'made'.  I don't suppose God really needed that rib but it is figurative not literal which would also point to the authority of the male, at least according to that story.

            Death occurred after the 'sin', not after the creation of the female.  Man as a race would symbolize perfection as God 'made' male as well as female.  As for 'becoming male', it also follows the theology of the times.

            1. kess profile image60
              kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              if the false will accept itself as false, then it would know and become truth..
              it is the same with , men and religion, they seen themselves as males when indeed they are the female..peprtually blinding their own eyes....

              why because they still walk in the knowledge of good and evil....so therefore they cannot see nor accept themselves in  negative connotations...death, female, devil, falseness.....etc. for they are everyting other than themselves.
              and they seek to justify themselves in the eyes of men...who actually are still female....

              But when Truth comes they would see all things as good...and for me death / female is and has always been good. For by her I have seen the totality of Life, which is myself.

              1. couturepopcafe profile image60
                couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                So if I understand you, you are speaking of the 'sin nature' as defined in the book of Genesis.  The veil which covers the eyes of humanity and prevents him from seeing God.

                Of course, as is true with much religious thought, this is a bit of a contradiction.  The knowledge of good and evil would include negative connotation and many apply this to themselves in the form of mental affliction.

                I believe however that you are speaking from the perspective of consciousness.  The mind is said to perceive when it reflects both the knower and the known.  For the one who sees the distinction, there is no further confusion.  This awareness begins to discriminate and gravitates toward liberation.  The removal of habitual thought patterns (walking in the knowledge of good and evil) allows us to remain undistracted in the highest intellection.  The mind freed from all obscuration makes the universe of sensory perception seem small, but as you have stated, is a necessary stepping stone and fulfills a function.  This sequence is evolving in each of us every second but is only comprehensible at the end of the series.

    4. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I will tell you why.Because the seed comes from the man to begin life.The woman only completes the process.Adam was created first,and the woman was created  from the man. The male is stronger than the female.The man by the millions gave their life that women and children may live,in comparison to only a few woman that made that sacrifice
      In the beginning before God created the heaven and the earth as we know it...there was no women,it was only male Angels.Women did not exist until He created Eve.Just for the record.

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        seed coming from man & woman  being the fertile or infertile field - that's the view of the people that wrote the bible - they didn't know that a woman is not a supporter in human life, but an equal contributor.  Haven't you done a basic human reproduction class?

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Are you saying commonly that a woman can get pregnant without  the male gender?If so how can that be done?

          1. kess profile image60
            kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Mary became male . this is why she bore a child without having sex.......

            Any female who understand their femaleness and their maleness can do the same.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I know what you mean, it works the other way around too!

              This morning I swear I gave birth to a car salesman! lol

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                kimberlyslyricsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                nice earn that est

                ?

                who knows

                what does hypocrite mean?

                Chris is giving me 2 totally different answers

                hmm:

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I think a hypocrite is someone who disagrees with me. smile

                  Seriously I like this meaning from wordweb.

                  A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives

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                    kimberlyslyricsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    got it

                    you rock

                    no not really

                    I rock

                    OK you rock

                    yuz still da best helpin meez every nite

                    big_smile

                    lol

            2. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              That may be so in your book,but not in reality.What case can you refer to that would verify what you are saying,Mr Kess?You can put lipstick on a pig.....but it  would still be a pig.

              1. kess profile image60
                kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Unless you have seen your own singularity/ duality, Maleness /femaleness...
                No explanation will suffice.

                And  can you explain Jesus conception without getting getting deep into carnal thinking...

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You will know more..when you learn more.Mr Kess
                  That is a quotation.I don't have to be in the same boat as you are in order to know that the boat is there.I know this.You can change the outside,but the inside will remain the same.A man cannot have children no matter how you change your appearance,or what you call yourself.I said that because it is evident that you cannot read between the lines.

            3. couturepopcafe profile image60
              couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Kess - the big question we all want to know is this - if you as a man are perfection and Mary became male to be perfection (the only way to Heaven), and she therefore was able to conceive a child without a male (because she became a male), what is your perspective on why males do not conceive children without females?

              1. kess profile image60
                kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                All things are done for the good purpose of Him who initiated it...and none are able to step outside of that purpose...and this is accomplished by each having individual knowledge...mean a man only will see what he has deternined within himself to see and knoledge of it is distributed by the Good who is all knowledge in perfect order until all is accomplished complete.

                So Mary though she saw and become male, and this a spiritual understanding, she was still feminine according to her flesh nature, thus she is able to purpose and accomplish what no other flesh male can.  No flesh female could have done it cause they could not even take a single thought concerning it...

                The flesh males who realize their own femininity already know they can reproduce by thmselves, and would in their own proper time. That would mean returning to their feminine nature.

                So donot expect to see a pregnant male unless it is accomplshed by the femine males, and this they can do by walking in the femininity of their minds which is fleshly thinking not spiritual for these have never  known their maleness.

                1. couturepopcafe profile image60
                  couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I understand.  You are speaking from a level of consciousness, mind.

                  1. kess profile image60
                    kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    yep exactly..

                  2. brotheryochanan profile image60
                    brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Sounds absolutely ridiculous
                    This is the problem when people decide for themselves what to believe in without proper context from the bible.
                    Clearly God was the father of Marys child and the power of God formed the child... there is no need for christian scientology thinking about this.

            4. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Where did you get "Mary became male" from??????????

              1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Please tell me after you tell him because you seem to be a long ways away.

      2. getitrite profile image81
        getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this


          Your beliefs are completely primitive.
          How absurd.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That would let you off the hook if it was.Completely spiritual,which you have none or very little of.

          1. getitrite profile image81
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this



                        "Completely spiritual?" lol lol lol

            You have nothing but indoctrination and willful ignorance.  Your beliefs are a hinderance to intellect, and the cause of prejudices of every kind.

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              When one don't understand nor have any place to go,they speak as you do.More than offended...I fell sorry for you.

              1. getitrite profile image81
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this



                Your God has bestowed this great understanding upon you, yet it seems that He has neclected to teach you correct subject-verb agreement. lol

                I feel sorry that you worship such an inferior God.  It is you that is to be pitied.

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I don;t have to walk down the same road as you do to get to the same destination. When one hold their head as high as you do,they can't help but to keep stepping in that pile of crap in the middle of the road.When are you going to stop making that same trip.

                2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  If you have to put someone down in order to lift yourself up,

                  What does that say about you ?

                  Not a lot.

                  I also think angry people feel very insecure about themselves,and it shows in their tone and critisim.

                  Shame that ,but I spose the payoff is attention.

                  Oh dear.

                  1. Beelzedad profile image61
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Kind of like Christians when they claim they are saved and threaten everyone else with eternal damnation?

                    What does that say about them, anyways? smile

                  2. getitrite profile image81
                    getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Please point out where I "lifted myself up.  Or is this just more knee-jerk, unthinking nonsense on your part?



                    Yes, and your false accusations, and erroneous conclusions points to the fact that YOU could be angry and very insecure.  Spot on!

      3. couturepopcafe profile image60
        couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Apostle Jack - Unlike the plant world, the seed of the animal world cannot begin life on its own.  Any 'completion' which must take place would indicate a lack therein. 

        The idea that millions of men gave their lives so that women and children may live is noble indeed but one has to ask oneself who those men were fighting.  The answer is obviously other men.  Throughout history, men have fought and died, many in defense and many as offenders.

        Generally speaking, men are inherently physically stronger than women.  This point is irrelevant as the differences in male and female does not, as a rule, make one better or worse than the other.

        I'm quite sure, according to the religious books at least, that angels are gender neutral.  There is much mythology however which depicts angels as male and able to procreate with humans.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The are able to be within the flesh,but they cannot turn into flesh.They have no physical nor gender parts.Their presence within the physical body stimulate the matter and cells of the flesh to cause them to function.

          1. couturepopcafe profile image60
            couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I understand.  They are spirits, for lack of a better word, able to engage within flesh but unable to manifest as flesh. 

            Please explain your use of the term 'male angels'.

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The same as male spirits Angel is just another title that was give to the first created spirits.There was no female Angels.There was no need for female companionship.There was no sin nor  negative desires,until the rebellion of Satan.
              Eve was the first female gender that God created within flesh,but from a rib of the male gender.

      4. Jefsaid profile image81
        Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      simple - because men wrote the bible which reflected their attitudes that men were superior to women.
      The pagans had female, male and hermaphrodite gods.

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      cause dudes created him
      lol

    7. Merlin Fraser profile image78
      Merlin Fraserposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      God has to be a HE !

      I think if HE was a SHE then he'd be a Goddess !

      I can see why you might get confused.

      1. lizzieBoo profile image78
        lizzieBooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Good point!

    8. debugs profile image71
      debugsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      God is both a he and she. He/She has the maternal life sustaining/nurturer quality much as he protects us as a father should. The gender-ization of God is because men wanted to depict God as a "MAN" rather than a woman or a combination of the best of BOTH genders.

    9. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Man is the species. Male and female are genders of the species Man. We are all MAN. (That last one is the royal we of course.) smile

    10. secularist10 profile image90
      secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Cheap trick has asked a trick question! Ha!

      God isn't a "he"

      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/5112829_f248.jpg

      That pretty much settles it.

    11. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Without a HE....... there would be no SHE.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        This is how I think it really happened:

        God created man-stepped back to admire his work ,then decided He could better lol

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          NOPE.....but rather....two heads are better than one would be the conclusion.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Psst it was a joke...God created humour to ya 'know wink

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Only natural humor.That which is made up to be funny is a sin.I don't think anything about God is funny,if i may say.

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yep I do sin sometimes,don't mean too.

                God knows my heart ,tis a good thing.


                And by the way God has many attributes ,including a healthy sense of humour.

                I didnt get to be this cool all on my own y'know smile

      2. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Really?How about this,Without a SHE there would be no HE!Of course,your referring to the metaphor of creation but ask yourself what that signifies from another point of view.Adam=dust of the earth.Eve=Adam's rib.HMmm,no wonder some women think some men are dirt bags.Chauvinism is dead or haven't you heard.WE,Men and Women,Are Equal...with women taking a slight lead at the moment....

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I would say more than a slight lead..more like a make-over and take over.
          We as the male gender brought the seed as the first created of the 2 genders.

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            no, there is no seed.  A male & female contribute half each - don't you understand how sperm & ova work?

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You are hiding something.A man don't need a woman in order to posses the seed.Your interpretation is not in perspective with the whole matter.You are speaking of many categories that separate the male and female gender.One word don't speak for everything.

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                no idea what  you are going on about.  Hiding what?

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Is that the only thing that you got from my comment?Then you didn't suppose to see it.

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I didn't get anything from any of your comments, except that you seem to be ignorant of what happens in basic human reproduction

                2. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  He is not a well unit BB. smile

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        HE & SHE - human language was invented by humans.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Everything came from somewhere,even your own belief.

          1. recommend1 profile image70
            recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            How everything came to exist from nothing is the fundamental question - and that also applies to any god.  It is the simplest question also, if a god made everything, who or what made the god.  If a god was 'made' then why not skip that unnecessary part of the process and just make everything.

    12. Greek One profile image80
      Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Because....
      God is all knowing.. not a know it all

      smile

    13. Sinbadsailorman profile image53
      Sinbadsailormanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      GOD is a He because, He is Not an "IT", a power, or a Thing, but is in deed a Personage!

      Why did he chose to say He well just look at the womans past an her history in this our world or her world. Would you choose to be a woman in it?

      Why than would an All divine Powerful God choose to be Anything other Than a He? And yes He has chosen another titled or descriptive description, "I am That I am"  no sexual preference here!

    14. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      He is just a descriptor for creator. as in the olden days, it was believed that the men are the ones who seed the women and women just receive it.

      now we know that the dna is from the sperm and the membrane is the mother's. which means, the men only put the software and the women the hardware.

    15. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Don't you think that this is just the way we were brought up?  I cannot  imagine him as a her.  But that's just the way I was raised.  I would embrace whatever sex they were.  Maybe God is an it or both....  Like Pat on SNL.

    16. nightwork4 profile image60
      nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      considering that the bible was written in a time when men were pretty much the only ones who could read, it is only right that they made him a male. i doubt it would have went down well if people back then were told god was a she, men were the dominant ones and i doubt they would have prayed to a female.

    17. safiq ali patel profile image70
      safiq ali patelposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I suppose god being a he is a matter of hard line tradition. I have heard some people with a more modern outlook pray and say "god, whatever you concieve him, her, and it to be. God is described as a he but let us not forget the importance of mary who is a she and as equal a part of the heavenly family. Yes we understand god to be a he. Perhaps this is due as much to habit as it is due to hard line correctors who would not tolerate god being a she.

    18. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      All of you Atheist seem to be saying the same thing...............absolutely nothing.

      1. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not an atheist JackO boy.I just don't believe in this silly little bearded guy who sits on a cloud and dose stuff for ya if ya pray hard enough.
        Kirkegaard,Aquinas,and many other Truly great thinkers tried to Prove your God and failed.All of these people[without exception]Came to the conclusion that you either believe or not.
        The mind of an ant is not equipped to perceive or understand humans.That is outside of the ants ability to comprehend.
        GOD,The ONE,Source.Big Bang,Infinity The Higgs Boson[God particle],etc or what ever identifier you wish to use,is outside the ability of the human minds comprehension just as humans are outside the ant's ability to comprehend.
        In the end,the most we can say is...GOD IS!...everything else is the arrogance of people who feel this absurd need to bring everything down to their level.Your personal experience is OPINION.good for you....but it has NO validity to others.
        These arguments are nothing more than
        "Mental Masturbation"!
        How can one take that seriously!Fun is fun,but when you start thinking it is reality...you're gonna wear your self out and miss[which you clearly have]the Real thing...which is different for each of us!
        You never did answer my Important question...Is it cold in your mom and dad's[assuming you have one and not several suspects]...Basement?

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I would rather believe in God....than in Santa Claus and mickey Mouse.

          1. Beelzedad profile image61
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So, you make a choice to believe in one fairy tale but not another? I suspect there were actually no choices made at all, at least not by yourself, but perhaps on your behalf. smile

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I believe that God is more believable than your Santa Claus.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I'll raise you. The tooth fairy...... and I have a recent witness too!

    19. My Esoteric profile image88
      My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I read down through a lot of the threads and all I can say is WOW!  This is my first trek into a forum.  I started writing Hubs to talk about religion but got sidetracked into politics, economics, and American history.  So, I guess I will cut my teeth on religion here and see if Getitrite can break them.

      To answer your question, Cheaptrick, God is a "He" because the Bible was written by men; as simple as that.  That the authorship of the various books of the Bible were produced by humans, presumably men, since women had no standing back in those days, at various periods of time is now a historical fact accepted by scientists and serious theologians alike.

      One can always argue, I suppose, that these men were just quoting God as he spoke to them personally, by vision, or through intermediaries, but a simple reading of the Bible in the original Greek and Hebrew, interesting in and of itself, let alone the multitude of translations, which often contradict each other now, would seem to indicate that God is trying to hide the fact that He is the actual author. 

      One simple example is the Book of Job.  The middle section is quite different and much older than the beginning and end.  Virtually all Biblical researchers of any credentials and merit agree these preambles and post-scripts were added to provide context to the main story.  That just doesn't jibe with God being the original author.

      Nor does the story of Noah (written no earlier than the 9th century B.C.) seem to have come from God.  A more probabe source are poems about a great flood (Black Sea?) some 1500 years earlier in stories about Gilgamesh.  The stories are quite similar it seems.

      1. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with what you've said with one exception.
        There is no way to verify that God spoke through man.It could just as well have been Man speaking for himself and claiming authority buy attributing it to God.Most of the writers of the old testament would qualify for medication and a padded room today.The new testament does not score much higher though it is more evolved than the old.
        Religion,All religion,must be taken in the context of WHEN it was first written as an attempt at explaining what was then Unexplainable.To hold on to the old is to DENY the NEW and MORE ACCURATE understanding we have NOW!
        I hope our descendants have the good sense to find newer more in depth explanations than we have for the phenomena of existence.That is advancing the human race,not clinging to what limited knowledge their ancestors held as though knowledge were laid in cement.
        OK,going to the beach now.....back latter to read the Fun replies to my Heretical statements.Love Y'all......even you religionists:D

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          rubbish

          Deuteronomy 18:18   "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put MY words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him".
          These are the qualifications for a prophet or shall we say "One whom God speaks through".
          Deuteronomy 34:10   And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
          Judges 6:8   That the LORD sent a prophet unto the children of Israel, which said unto them, Thus SAYS the LORD God of Israel, I brought you up from Egypt, and brought you forth out of the house of bondage;
          2 Samuel 24:11   For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying,
          2 Kings 13:20   And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the word of the LORD came unto the prophet that brought him back:
              I could go on and on about God speaking to people through his prophets and about God speaking to people - moses and the burning bush - but this is OT dispensation stuff, yet, evidence enough to show that God does in deed speak to and through people. Noah as pertaining to his ark building.
          Here we have NT examples to back up past speech:
          Matthew 1:22   Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
          Matthew 2:17   Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
          Matthew 3:3   For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
             John 12:49   For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
            John 14:25   These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
          Hebrews 1:1   God, who at sundry times and in divers manners SPOKE in times past unto the fathers by the PROPHETS, 
          Hebrews 1:2    HaS in these last days spoken unto us by his Son

          Heres an example of Peter being spoken too:
             Acts 10:12   Wherein were all manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
            Acts 10:13   And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
            Acts 10:14   But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

          It is (super)natural that God speaks to His people, otherwise what is the point? Where is the relationship? How can we be corrected? How can we communicate the things of God with great effectiveness? It would be of no importance to follow a mute God.

          As to your statement, "Most of the writers of the old testament would qualify for medication and a padded room today", i ask, to what reference do you back up your statement with? or is this just your opinion? To show why i ask this i will bring up the example of David and his covetness of Bathsheba unto the killing of Uriah the Hittite. David did a bad thing, heinous actually, he sent uriah to the front lines of battle where few, very few returned. In essence he killed him. Now with intentions like this one would question why did God, about David, say:
          1 Samuel 13:14   But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee.
          And this is verified in the NT
          Acts 13:22   And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
          Because of David ability to feel remorse. When david repented He poured his heart out before God and spoke tremendous phrases of guilt ridden repentance, passages of grief unmatchable.
          Yet David was not certifiably crazy.
          David understood when he sinned
          David wrote Psalm 51 in connection with the bathsheba incident.
            Psalms 51:1   Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy loving kindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
            Psalms 51:2   Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
            Psalms 51:3   For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
            Psalms 51:4   Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
          There's more.
          As to your limited knowledge theory. Knowledge of the world and how the world works has no impact on Christians for many reasons but i will slam dunk this one for ya:
             Matthew 8:24   And, behold, there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep.
            Matthew 8:25   And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish.
            Matthew 8:26   And he said to them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and REBUKED the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
          Rebuked, spoke to: does the sea have ears and the wind hear that it might think to itself, i must be calm? no.
          So how did a few words calm the sea (and no words part the red sea?)
          God is on every level atomic, molecular and microscopic.
          love ya

          1. cheaptrick profile image64
            cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            This post is to cool.
            Validate the bible buy quoting the Bible!Ha!
            That's Easy to do but it's just what you folks try every time.If you can restrict the argument to the bible...You Win!
            Verification however,requires INDEPENDENT OUT SIDE confirmation!Otherwise,we can verify and validate ALL religions claims simply buy quoting whats in them!
            How is your bible anymore val-ed than any other religion when they use the same method that you do.
            I was going to say this is laughable and childish but it's so far beyond that...that...

            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              its a book about God
              If you want to know about gardening you don't go to a book about painting.
              Since there are so very few book about God then it is best to go to a book from God.
              But if this is not your cuppa tea
              Then you will miss the whole point
              and this is not laughable but sorrowful

              1. Jefsaid profile image81
                Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                A book from god? Oh brother! Now I'm really confused about who wrote it.

              2. cheaptrick profile image64
                cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The Quran is a book about God too.The Vedas are books about God.The Bardo Tho Dal is a book about God,etc,etc.How is Your book any better or more acurate?

                1. Jefsaid profile image81
                  Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  My book?  Life is my book not one written by man...

          2. My Esoteric profile image88
            My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry Cheaptrick, I tried to include all possibilities.  I actually think the books of the Bible, both Old and New, were written by men at different times and assymbled and reassymbled at some later date to fit what ever message wanted to be told by the religious authorities at the time.  Even IF it the original had been written directly by God, man has SO changed its content and form as to make it unrecognizable by anyone who lived in 2500 - 900 B.C., the approximate dates of the Bible's authorship,  Nobody today knows what the Bible truly said when it was first written and since God has not revealed Himself to anybody since Moses, I think, who knows what He actually has on His mind?  All we have today are contemporary humans interpretations of translations of less contemporary humans translations of ... ad infinitum.

            That is why it would be pointless to parse the evidence Brotheryochanan offers for parse it I can.  For example, just taking a surface look, only in
            Deuteronomy 18:18 does God talk in the 1st person.  In the next four citations, there are only reports of what was alledgedly observed.  There would need to be corraborating sightings of the same event to begin to have any standing.

            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Does God talk in the first person? Now you have really blown all credibility for your parsonability.
              Think what you want but really you have spend time reading the bible to actually get to know it and once having gotten to know it, you'll eat your words for breakfast.
              How do i know this.
              parse this
              I read the bible constantly and its preservation is a godsend.

              1. My Esoteric profile image88
                My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I have what I have in my and no more, I do not trust what comes out of the mouth or pen of man on its face.

                To me - "i will raise them up ..." is in the first person, by definition, in the English language.  But, there is no way, however, that you can take " God, who at sundry times and in divers manners SPOKE in times past unto the fathers by the PROPHETS" and turn that into first person to show those are words out of God's mouth without doing great damage to the ability to reason and perform logic that God gave you; unless, of course, you are one of those Luther/Calvinists who believe God didn't intend for Man to use the God-given capability to think for oneself when it comes to matters of faith. 

                It also stretches one's imagination to twist reason around enough to picture God guding the writer's hand to write those particular words; one can easily imagine God guiding the writer's hand but using other words to describe the action in that sentence that would sound like God was actually dictating it.  How can you, Brotheryochanan, say that sentence is anything more that an observation by a third party recorded in the Book of Hebrew?

    20. Donna Suthard profile image84
      Donna Suthardposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't believe God is male or female, but merely ENERGY.  WE are also a Part of that Energy which is all compassion and Love..

    21. kowalskil profile image60
      kowalskilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      God is not a material entity. That is is why s/he is neither male nor female.

      Why do most people think of God as a male? That is a totally different question.

      Ludwik Kowalski (see Wikipedia)

      http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/life/intro.html

  2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    God is Spirit smile

    1. Donna Suthard profile image84
      Donna Suthardposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      tis true!

  3. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    I would say it is because sky gods tend to be patriarchal and earth gods tend to be matriarchal - mother earth.

    1. cheaptrick profile image64
      cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This reply I very much respect and admire.Thank you.

  4. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    Why Ramen and not Rawomen? smile

    1. cheaptrick profile image64
      cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Earnest!I just Knew you'd show up sooner or latter!....er...are you talking about the god...or the noodle,cause I Love those!

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Both. smile

        1. cheaptrick profile image64
          cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Can you mix those?or should I use seperate bowls?

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol lol

            I mix in two bowels then add a grain of salt.

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              pigs bowels or sheeps bowels?  Not something I'd be keen to eat lol

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                lol What a huge Freudian slip I made! lol lol lol

                Thanks for that! Amused the hell outta me!

                I love it when mistakes work so well in language!

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  so that was Freudian? bowels for bowls.. are we supposed to now know what you are thinking about?
                  i dare say, that was not Freudian
                  what psychology book did you get that from again?

                  1. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow! You searched that far back in the thread, because you are seething and wanted to make another personal attack. lol

                    ...... then it went straight over your head. Still I'm used to truth, fact, reality all going over your head so I shouldn't be surprised.


                    Sometimes you have to do more than just google things to know about them. smile

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    Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago

    The English language unfortunately does not have an appropriate word to refer to someone who possesses the characteristics of both a male and a female.  Now, God is ultimately Spirit, but He is also a Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).  He made both MAN and WOMAN in His image, therefore, He must contain characteristics which are both male and female, yes?  Well, the only pronouns that we have in the English language are to refer to male OR female (HE OR SHE), and since His earthly incarnation was male, we tend to refer to Him as male.

    Yes, a person can be born with both male and female genitalia, but we have not yet developed in the English language a suitable personal pronoun for that person, just as a person can be androgynous, possessing characteristics that are both male and female, but again - no personal pronoun has yet been developed in the English language that is suitable to refer to that person.

    1. cheaptrick profile image64
      cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That nonexistent word your referring to is"Hermaphrodite",an ancient Greek word And there were some Christian groups who used it...that is until the main stream Christians wiped them out.
      Should we amend our prayers then to correctly Identify who we're praying to?"Thou shalt have no other God before me".We wouldn't want our prayers going into the ear of the wrong God,that could be dangerous,he might cause some natural disasters.Ya know...like the ones that kill millions of inocent people every year.Whats up with that?!

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        Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I know what the word is.  Thanks for educating me though.  I didn't intend to discuss God and his existence or non - I just was aiming to answer your question.  And, the answer is very simple.  It because of the limitations of the English language.  If there are other languages that perhaps have more than two personal gender pronouns, maybe God is a shim or a sher.

        Sorry, didn't mean to butt into your fun.  I'll excuse myself now from the insanity that you're all enjoying.

        What makes you say the word hermaphrodite is non-existent?

        wink

        1. cheaptrick profile image64
          cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ahh..don't gooo...I'm sorry if I upset you...hello?is there anybody out there?

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            Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Doesn't Pink Floyd say "in there?"

            wink

            I never get upset on a forum.  But I'm hard to bait so lots of folks get bored with me...lol

            1. cheaptrick profile image64
              cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Your cool.Pink Floyd has always been my favorite band.The track is Comfortably Numb and the very first line is him whispering"is there anybody out there".Then your line kicks in.I now officially respect you cause you quoted the Pink! big_smile

              1. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Amongst many other Floyd tunes, we have been playing that one in our band for years and never get tired of it. The guitar solos in it are some of the best ever conceived imho, and are so much fun to play. smile

                1. cheaptrick profile image64
                  cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm blown away Buy the people I've never thought would like Pink who Do!Welcome to or should I say thank you for,continuing the Pink legacy!

                  1. Beelzedad profile image61
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Absolutely, we have been playing tunes from Dark Side, Animals, Wish You Were Here and The Wall, lots of them, every time we get together. They are usually relatively easy to play and sound great if you get it right.

                    Now and again, we even pull out tunes like, Careful With That Ax Eugene. smile

                  2. nightwork4 profile image60
                    nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    the last concert they played in toronto i went to. it is still the best concert of my life. there will never be another band that combines incredible music, unbelievable stage shows and a feeling of being somewhere else like pink does.

                  3. couturepopcafe profile image60
                    couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    CT - Amazing.  Me too.  I'm also a PF fan.  Have been since, well let's say a long while.  They please across the board because they are unique, accomplished, talented, inventive, seductive, and .....on and on.

        2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hugsss Mo smile

          Dont worry bout that wordy guy ,just probably a cheaptrick lol



          God is Spirit -neither a He nor a She smile

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            Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hugs backatcha, EK.  I don't mind...I can't find it in myself to let the forums upset me anymore, yanno! 

            smile

            1. cheaptrick profile image64
              cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Just a sec here ladies[I'll try not to be To wordy for you].I merely pointed out in response to the statement"The English language doesn't have a word to describe the male/female etc"That the word is Hermaphrodite,it's in Websters ya know.
              Also,I haven't"Baited"anyone here,simply responded to posts that appear to be illogical or contradictory.
              If you read through this thread you'll find I've respected and thanked opinions from both sides...so please don't go making me out to be a troll.This thread was started as a point of debate,I don't see that as Negative by any stretch.
              There I go gettin wordy again...so Sorry.

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                Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No, no cheaptrick.  I didn't intend to make you out that way!  I apologize if that's how it came across.  I mean trolls in general.  I'm just crappy bait for them and they tend to have figured that out by now and ignore me.

                EK was just giving me sympathy because I think she thought from your and my exchange that we were "having words."

                You and I were not having words and are at complete peace.  smile

                Just as an aside though - hermaphrodite only describes a person with male and female genitalia, not characteristics, which I mentioned.  And, there is no suitable personal pronoun for someone who is a hermaphrodite.

                Second, an androgynous person may contain both male and female characteristics, but again...no suitable personal pronoun for one.

                So, it all, unfortunately very simply, boils down to a limit of the English language.

                smile

                1. cheaptrick profile image64
                  cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry to disagree here but the word hermaphrodite is an extension of the Greek God Hermes who was androgynous and it had nothing to do with genitalia[I Love that word Ha!]but his nature...honest...you can even Google it if you like big_smile

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Okay, I have Googled it in the past but will do so again.  But, I was referring to the way the word is used in the English language.  Which is what I've been pointing to all along - the limitations in the English language about gender...knowing the words actual roots and origins, you'll see why God is a He (in ENGLISH).

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite
                    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hermaphrodite
                    http://oxforddictionaries.com/definitio … ?region=us


                    These two dictionary definitions say absolutely nothing about nature or characteristics...nor does the wiki article (I don't usually refer to wiki as a valuable source, but I will here, because it supports my argument lol)

                    The word hermaphrodite refers to only SEXUAL characteristics, genitalia, etc.

                    The word androgynous refers to female and male NATURE.

                    Either way, my friend, there is no suitable personal pronoun to describe either in the English language.

                    So, how are you this fine day?

  6. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    Seems 'guys' is used a lot these days to refer to everybody.

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    Muldanianmanposted 5 years ago

    Because the monotheistic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have always been dominated by men in a patriarchal society.  Whichever sex rules society is bound to ascribe the characteristics of their sex to their god.

    1. cheaptrick profile image64
      cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thats two for you.Much respect,thanks

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    klarawieckposted 5 years ago

    Didn't you see Dogma? God was definitely a female!


    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5107616_f248.jpg

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      LOL Klara, you stole my line big_smile

    2. cheaptrick profile image64
      cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hurray for Netflix streaming!That's one of the Best movies I've ever Seen!I Loved Mat Damon's Role...he is my new role model,yes he is.

      1. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        God isn't a "He" it plainly states that God created man in his own image, male and female created he them." Male AND female are subsets of the set God. The image of God includes the female gender. Let US make man in our own image. If heaven's rockin' don't come knockin'. What? You want him to hang a red kerchief on the the door. I imagine that the conversation proceeded in much the same fashion just prior to my own conception. She said: Let's have a baby. He said:Sure. Something like that, anyways. Gotta keep it clean, ya know.

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          Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Druid Dude, I gotta admit, that's one I've never heard before.  Interesting...thought provoking.

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    klarawieckposted 5 years ago

    One of my favorite movies ever. With Jay and Silent Bob to the rescue, anything goes! smile

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    Muldanianmanposted 5 years ago

    I feel I must have missed something, never hearing of this film.

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      klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This movie will change your life. Rent it. smile

  11. Marie Brannon profile image80
    Marie Brannonposted 5 years ago

    I grew up in Christian Science, where God is described as "Father-Mother God" and children are gently taught that each of us has free will to worship God as we understand God.

    Personally, the God of my understanding has no gender; my God is Principle, Truth, Spirit, Love, Life and other intangible concepts.  My God is the "I am" whenever I say "I am _____".

    Good question.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      God emcompasses gender, otherwise there would be none. God is everything and nothing, at the same time. Matter/antimatter, which may be too heavy a concept. Not trying to be insulting, just trying to stay within the realm of your understanding.

      1. My Esoteric profile image88
        My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        My take on it is that God is Universe.  All things in the Universe are an extension of God and all thoughts in the Universe are an extension of God's thoughts.  Consequently, God would be genderless.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Good question?  GREAT answer.

  12. Stevennix2001 profile image84
    Stevennix2001posted 5 years ago

    Because women are the smarter sex, and they would have enough sense to never screw up the world like this to where it is today. (j/k) wink  lol

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      Motown2Chitownposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well, Steveennix, there is that.  wink

  13. raceegirl8 profile image61
    raceegirl8posted 5 years ago

    God is a spirit!  That is the word of God.  In John Ch.1 It reads, In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God.  God name is Yeshua or Jesus... cause we baptize in HIS name,(not titles)and we baptize in the name of Jesus (or Jeshua>>>which is Jesus in Hebrew.  Besides, I am a woman, and we are strong, but we are also emotional... isn't it good that GOD know all things and knows what he is doing!

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 5 years ago

    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/5107474.jpg



    Just posting

    back to work

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 5 years ago

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5108404_f248.jpg



    for you my well deserved sweet friend

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you! You never fail to surprise me. smile

  16. lone77star profile image90
    lone77starposted 5 years ago

    Simple answer: "He" isn't. wink

    Language is a tool and words like "he" are sometimes inadequate. Sometimes it shows a cultural bias, as in patriarchal Judaism.

    Spirit has no gender in the strictest sense; no genitalia, no glands, no physicality.

    Genesis is full of symbols, many of them gender-related. One phrase has Adam being male and female (Adam, the tribe, not the individual?). The story of Noah starts with the cryptic, "men had daughters." Didn't they also have sons? Somehow, in the old Judaic symbology, the feminine had negative connotations -- Eve in the garden, the daughters who seduced the sons of God. And even in the "female" side of the Kabbalah's "Tree of Life" found in Genesis 4 with the lineage of Cain, the murderer.

    Somehow, the English term "it" doesn't cut it for me, but a gender neutral term would seem to be preferred, if only English had one.

    1. aka-dj profile image79
      aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Great answer.
      Trouble is, these guys don't actually want the answer, only an excuse to argue, ridicule, belittle etc.

      Contrary to wanting to learn, they already know WAY too much.

      1. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Your post seems to be rather belittling it's self to most of the folks in this thread.If you consider yourself a teacher with The answers,wouldn't it be prudent to at least be non contradictory with your posts,two have been so far.Of course we[those of us your referring to]may just not be smart enough to grasp your answers,for that I profusely apologise.

        1. aka-dj profile image79
          aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Twice you were given the answer.
          I rest my case! smile



          You can lead a man to the truth, but you can't make him believe!

          1. cheaptrick profile image64
            cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            There have been many excellent answers given so far,more than two certainly.Yours were not included.
            You have no case.just programed dogma that contradicts its self.

            1. aka-dj profile image79
              aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And which of those answers will you accept?

              None! Am I right? Sure, I am.

              As I said, it proves you know way more than me.
              If it were not forbidden in scripture, I'd be bowing down at your feet right now.
              big_smile

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Problem is mankind thinks he has it all figured out.

        Ever sat a while and watched ants scurrying here n there oblivious to our ,knowledge,wisdom and power.

        Now spare a thought for how God sees us and feels compassion for us. wink

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    Kirui l. K.posted 5 years ago

    The problem is that when people think of he or she, they only think of genitals.  It is not that God is both he and she it is some other pronoun we are yet to invent which has nothing to do with being male or being female. We use 'he' for the simple reason as to give an impression of physical power and streagth because certainly, average man is physically stronger  than an average woman  and in ancient days with no machines, physical stregth was of much value. Could they use she, it could give an impression of physically weak God, an undesirable artribute for God. Lastly, God is whatever it is. It does not depend on what we want it to be.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE, AFTER OUR LIKENESS." Is not the royal we. "God created man, male and female created he them".

      IN SHORT: "Me and the Mrs.  decided to have a baby." Got twins? Why does some people think that it says different.

      You'll really be upset when you find out that there was more than one Adam.

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I've always believed there were more than just two people in the garden and that Adam was the appointed leader in the garden over other people. God totally uses chain of command and people to do His work. But i did not believe this from your example above, other scriptures indicate a populace.
        Where did cain find a wife? for example. I doubt Eve let her daughters run off with murderous cain.

    2. debugs profile image71
      debugsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That was exactly my point. In Hebrew he/she is actually both male and female when we analyze the names of God. (G-d). One name of God is The Breasy One.. not because we imply he has breasts (lol!) but it's the symbolism of being the sustainer of life which is a maternal trait.

  18. brotheryochanan profile image60
    brotheryochananposted 5 years ago

    To correctly ascribe God with a label, would be elohim which properly translated means 'powers'. The Hebrews saw no man or similitude of a man but they experienced God in nature, with power over life and death, and over the cosmos as creator, etc.
    Since in all actuality God is not a male nor female, he or she would not be 100% accurate.
    She would be even less accurate as eve was created second and God is second to nothing.
    He is better ascribed because man is the power symbol and God is all powerful.
    The translators of the bible preferred to keep 'he' as it maintained the flow of scriptures and principles.

    1. cheaptrick profile image64
      cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Now this is a very good post.I'd just like to add one more thing.The Men who wrote the original books,gospels,letters,etc considered women to be inferior Way before they wrote their books etc and Way before some of those books etc were brought together to form the bible.If Jesus/God Had been a women no one would have paid any attention.
      And one more"Wordy"thing,there are more books etc Not in the bible than in.So why is that?Read the end of the book of John and even He says there's more than whats in the bible.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        There are 20 odd gospels missing in reality.

        Not to worry though, they make no more sense than the measly four that are there now. smile

        1. cheaptrick profile image64
          cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ya got me Earnest!I never said they made sense,just that there not in there.And there are a whole lot of fragments of gospels that aren't even counted so there may have been hundreds of nonsensical books floating around.
          I personally,have joined Mavens church of Frisbeetarianism where upon death your soul flies up on the roof and gets stuck there:D

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol I find your post to be very deep and meaningful. Is that wrong? lol

        2. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          over 200.. i see you are still well informed and concerned about putting out accurate information in reality
          lol

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Where did you get 200 from? Is this an example of your accuracy? lol

            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              so much for reading and comprehending... there's a link below smile It was written just moments after the post you attempted to respond to. 
              Is this how you studied the bible? No wonder you came to the conclusion you did.
              No point tryin to justify your conclusion.
              As i am interested in the opinions of people about christianity i am not interested in the opinions that failed christians have, its like taking advice about fixin a car from a failed mechanic lol

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                Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Reading your reply here makes me wonder whether you would consider your words an example of christianity at its finest.

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Would you say that Jesus calling the pharisees, vipers and whitewashed tombs was Christianity at its finest? You need to learn about context. When Jesus went into the temple and found those selling things and he made a whip and cracked warning shots over their heads and chased them out... Christianity at its finest?
                  Yep!
                  Sometimes people don't need the kind of love that just cuddles them, they need to hear whasup; reality in the face, if you prefer, or to be reminded of what is wrong.
                  I'm sorry if you don't like it, but each situation needs to be handled independently. Remember i wrote to a member who is only out to destroy and is not interested in any good thing about this forum. A satan, if you will... and how do Christians handle a satan?... we rebuke them.
                  Please note if at any time any destroyer gives his heart to God, repents and lives his life for the Lord my posts will reflect such actions with unparalleled niceness.
                  If you wanna be nice to him, go ahead. You have your function and i have mine.

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                    Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I suppose if you are going to put yourself on the same footing as your God himself, then of course you get to make your own rules. I guess they'll just have to pen a New New Testament to tell the story of your time among the little people. What will the new commandment be since the two Yeshua seemed fond of aren't very convenient?

              2. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Lovely! You say who YOU are... yet again.

                I will let others decide how they take this.
                You are not very good at doing much except making slimy personal attacks and exposing yourself are you?

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Yah, truth hurts doesn't it. Just gives you more to deny.
                  If you weren't so bent on just destroy, destroy, destroy then i would treat you as a rational being who is able to understand but you consistently care nothing for God or his word or his people.
                  What you have stated speaks volumes of you also. I just am able to nail your psychosis on the head.
                  If at any time you repent and give your heart to God I will most likely be your best brother. Until then you do devils work and devils pay I am inclined to give you. Reap what you sow.
                  You can avoid all this 'revealing of your sloppy interpretations and mistruths and destructive intents' if you try to talk reasonably in christian threads or just leave altogether, perhaps repentance will find you outside the house, if ever you decide to pause from trolling the christian forum.

      2. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I know there are more books.
        The canon rules for inclusion were simple and exacting. I agree with canon.
        http://www.toddtyszka.com/fulllist.html
        here's a list of well over 20 and some reasons of exclusion.
        I have read many of them and consider them all to be excluded for very good and obvious reasons.

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, they disagree with your belief system! lol

          1. brotheryochanan profile image60
            brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            and yours too  lol

            you even failed at trying to be funny once again
            lol

            Lets go a little deeper... so you studied psychology you say... were there any psychologists theories you disagreed with .... and why would you disagree? because they didn't fit your belief system... food for thought cobbie!

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    Kirui l. K.posted 5 years ago

    Cheaptrick
    No! The men who wrote bible never considered women as infirior. You would have understood it if alongside your question you also asked why is the devil, antichrist and satan also an he?

    1. secularist10 profile image90
      secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If the "men who wrote the Bible" didn't consider women inferior, then how come there are no "women who wrote the Bible"?

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Much the same reason why it took so long for MEN to allow women the right to vote wink

        1. secularist10 profile image90
          secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You're on the right track

    2. cheaptrick profile image64
      cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This is a Joke huh?Are you serious with this?Have you not read the old testament where men Owned women=property?
      The new testament[canonical]doesn't do much better though it is a step forward.These days,women"of faith"are still subject to their husbands authority.Wow,This post boggles my tiny mind.

  20. recommend1 profile image70
    recommend1posted 5 years ago

    god is obviously not a woman or she would still be out picking the colours for the first stars and would not have got around to choosing our colours yet, can you imagine the colours and patterns we would have ended up instead of that boring old black and white  !

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Good point.  I was thinking more of the radical and extreme changes:  One minute beautiful sunny weather, then all the volcanoes blow at once in total rage for five minutes.  Then it rains buckets all over the world for 10 minutes.  More beautiful sunshine, but then hurricanes scream in from every point of the compass, followed by more sunshine. 

      All the while the earth bloats with extra water.  For 1 week out of every four.  Life would be...difficult.

      (ducks and runs for cover)

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol

        Oh but think just how much more would get achieved in only 3 weeks wink

        Just sayin ..hehe

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You may be right, at that!  There isn't much time between the football games and cursing the golf ball to do much. smile

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Whats all this world peace talk ,when the remote control is missing huh  lol

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              OMG, the end of the world as we know it when that happens! big_smile

      2. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        OMG!Thank you thank you thank you!You just explained everything I've been trying to understand about my GF!OMG! Thank You!

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You're welcome.  Goddesses have problems, too, that must be understood.  And coped with! smile

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    Kirui l. K.posted 5 years ago

    Secularist
    You seem not to understand one thing; not writting bible does not mean that you are inferior. The master himself, Jesus, never wrote one yet he is considered superior. It was just not the hobby of women then! You may find one woman out of hundred men playing chess. Are chess men considering women inferior or are women themselves not interested in it?

  22. Disturbia profile image61
    Disturbiaposted 5 years ago

    God is a HE, because HE was invented by men.

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      Kirui l. K.posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Why are there then many women in the church than men?

  23. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    When use an external mandate like a book for the authority for your life, you cant argue with a book, it can't talk. No argument, no discussion. Which leaves only the authority of force. A man's job.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Because sex changes hadn't been invented yet? Do I win a prize? No prize? Then I take my answer back. smile

  24. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    "I would say more than a slight lead"
    It is woman starting and fighting all the wars in the world as well as arming them.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Women are equally capable of killing.

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    Home Girlposted 5 years ago

    well, not in every culture there is just "he". "She" might be too.
    http://s4.hubimg.com/u/5114191.jpg

    Indian Lakshmi and others too...

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    Muldanianmanposted 5 years ago

    Only a female god would put a man's genitalia on the outside.  This can cause no end of problems.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      God's image is male and female. If God is all male, how come? A male human isn't all male, unless you want to convince the mother she had nothing to do with the baby. A female human isn't all female, a father being needed to make one. The image stays true throughout mankind.

    2. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol Good point! smile

      1. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well, no one knew that Darth Vader was actually Luke Skywalker's father, but, we all had seen Luke's mother in the original first episode. So, we knew that he had to have a father. It also helps if you read it.

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not a big star wars fan. Perhaps that is why I have no idea what your post is saying, or what it has to do with external genitalia. smile

          1. Druid Dude profile image61
            Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Just kidding. Actually, Genesis does say that about the image. Further, there was more than one Adam, and Eve was a branch of that "tribe", yet her creation is hauntingly familiar to modern cloning techniques, right down to bone marrow for a growth medium. There is more which a modern eye can see with careful dissection of the text.

      2. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        not really a good point at all.
        Druid has confused what occurs on OUR plane of existence - human flesh and what goes on in the SPIRITUAL plane of existence.
        The two are definitely not comparable.

    3. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      IF God were female, mans genitalis wouldn't be so close to the ground.

      1. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, the text also clearly points out that God did not create Man by himself. "Let US create Man in OUR OWN IMAGE and after OUR OWN LIKENESS, further, the original language referring to "God" was ELOHIM which is plural.

        1. recommend1 profile image70
          recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Don't I vaguely remember that Enoch talked about the  Elohim as being a people ?   The people who flew him north to show him frozen (crystal) trees and took him to meet the 'preists' of what appears from the text to be the white 'houses' (that have recently been reconstructed from their ruins) in Ireland.  I can't remember the names but can look them up I guess.

          1. Druid Dude profile image61
            Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Please do. I am interested in what you are saying. I have a lot which points to Ireland/Scotland as being central to a major discovery.

            1. recommend1 profile image70
              recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The people were the   Tuatha De Danann   the first iron age people to arrive in ireland .  Their advanced culture with 'magical' skills such as iron working entered myth to deify them to subsequent peoples.  The mound of Newgrange, of which the outside wall is of white quartz stone, is the building that fits the description of Enoch.  The Tuatha De Danann are described in the Irish oral history as light skinned and fair haired and were a sea-faring people.   There is also a story that can be read as being of a Princess from the middle east being sent to "her people" in Ireland for safety.  She is supposed to have brought magical 'things' with her.

              It has been suggested that the Princess and the people were the same race and the 'things' she brought were the racial stuff of the kings of that culture and herself as the seed of the kings.  That idea is attractive but not so well supported by any real evidence from the oral history.

        2. Jerami profile image79
          Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yep!   I know.

               I was just joking earlier.

               i haven't really felt very Yakidy lately.

               guess i should sit back and listen some more. 

              but then ... that can be depressing too sometimes.

             there seems to be too much negativity every where I look.

            Baa Humbug.

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Here are a few happy thought Jerami.

            The bible is a pile, god is a myth, jesus never existed and we are as free as we want to be!
            life is wonderful and beautiful, the planet is a gem, children warm our hearts, as do family and friends, and we can be as happy and well adjusted as we choose to be, and real love has no strings attached.


            The sad exceptions are.

            The clinically depressed, who need help to balance their mind chemistry, and the religiously indoctrinated, who need psychological help.

            1. Jerami profile image79
              Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks for all that cheer.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You're welcome! smile

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              ..But all the psychologists are on prozac wink

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Not the ones I know!
                There are as many bad shrinks as there are bad motor mechanics, but with a bit of skill they are both avoidable. smile

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  But it takes a lot of research to find the good ones.
                  If no one researches - anything can happen
                  if people research - a safety net magically appears

                  Lesson for life and finding God.

    4. recommend1 profile image70
      recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You are on to something here with regard to the creation of world and sex !!  Only a female could be such an incompetent planner that she would site the toilet right on the playing field !

      1. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        God is Man, Man is God. Follow the footprints. You too will hear "the Voice of God walking...in the garden." Big clue here, people. We could be on the verge of a breakthrough!

  27. Diane Inside profile image84
    Diane Insideposted 5 years ago

    God is definately a He!

    Why else would women have to tolerate, a monthly cycle, and the burden of child birth.

    And why would women have been surpressed throughtout time, and is still surpressed in many countries still today.

    God is definately a He!

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    Kirui l. K.posted 5 years ago

    Almost all of you are wrong because you seem to think that God is a person. God is an hyperperson. God is not both male and female, he is neighther male nor female, neighther likes nor dislike, neighther good nor bad. Is the sun a male or a female? Why do people call earth the mother? Was the earth invented by women? Of course in reality, the earth is neighther a father nor a mother. Same applies to God. English language don't have a pronoun used when sex is irellevant. Some other languages do have.

  29. cheaptrick profile image64
    cheaptrickposted 5 years ago

    Has anyone considered that this may all be a question of semantics,preferred words?That what each of us understand about the nonphysical world is the same overarching principle that Religion,science,philosophy,etc,is attempting to understand and explain.Could we all be talking about the same thing but from a different point of view?What ever path each has chosen is his/her own path.Men/women are like rivers.We come from the same source and end at the same place,each following a Unique path that none have the right to force change upon.I started this thread for a fun debate and haven't been disappointed.Thanks to all of you for participating and may God,Allah,Buddha,Einstein,Nietzsche,Obama,Brad Pitt,Donald Duck,the flying spaghetti monster,etc,etc,bless you all.

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    sandeshsainiposted 5 years ago

    God is neither women and men.
    God is Spirit.God is a energy.
    God is present in every things.

    1. aka-dj profile image79
      aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Also . .
      God is outside of everything!

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        sandeshsainiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        ya sure dear. i agree

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Omnipresent smile

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That my dear is totally and completely impossible. You can make a god whatever you like within reason, words have actual meaning and boy oh boy you better get a better handle on that word! smile

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well my dear neighbour ,first of all I didnt make God ,He made me,and secondly I used the word Omnipresent (its such a BIG word ,dont ya think) because thats what I believe smile

            I sure youre not the only one to think I dont have a handle on the word ,much less deserve to use it -but its very relevant and the reality is God is the only deity who can claim the honour
            ~IMO~ smile

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I would like you to explain this omni-ness to me in a way that has meaning, but I am off to bed now.

              I am over the total lack of a challenge on the religious threads.

              I have met Lord Daniel and Jack on these forums and that should not be legally able to happen to a mere human being such as myself.

              So many nutters, so little time!

              1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well you finally succeeded in being funny
                lol

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          that means god is in the devil and  in horse poo too

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            ...If God wants to be in those things then sure.


            Why he was once in you wink

            Point is He is God -


            Everywhere


            All of the time

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Not even half way there!

              Even your god doesn't get to water down the meaning of words EagleKiwi. smile

              As I said before it's not even remotely viable to be Omnipresent

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Sure it is, Earnest.  All the universe is actually a pimple on the tip of Gods nose.  Therefore it but a small part of God and therefore a part of God is everywhere in our universe.  All it takes is imagination.

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Not quite, even if we are a pimple on god's nose. smile

                  Everywhere is a very big and small place that would incorporation more than can be written here.

                  Paraglider summed it up with brevity on another thread some weeks ago. I may go and find it.

                  1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                    brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Size means nothing.
                    We think of size in relation to ourselves.
                    The universe is big indeed but we have over 3 trillion cells in our body. Thats a big number in a small area.
                    there is small, incredibly small
                    and there is big, incredibly big.
                    But obviously to God the universe is not big enough.
                    We don't need to be 100 feet tall for God to consider us to be important.
                    Time: it has a limit, we are born we die.
                    God has no time limits
                    God has no spacial limits.
                    God is not amazed at what we are amazed at.

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              once in me - ie was, in past,  not now - so not omnipresent.

              and do you consider me to be lower than the devil & horse poo?

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Lower ,higher in between. You decide.

                I judge you not BB,though I respectfully feel you are higher than the examples you quoted smile

      3. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        LOL, I always get a chuckle from those types of meaningless fantasy laden quips.

        God is everything, the cancer that kills you, the tsunami and the tornado that wipes you out, the starving child begging for a morsel of food, the ruling despot, the pedophile and the serial killer. Hilarious. lol

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          Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          How did ypu get fantasy laden out of all of that?  All the bad things...but all of the good things too. And everything in between. We're all connected and a part of the universal spirit. Some people call it God. You find that impossible? That life is interwoven and connected?

          1. Beelzedad profile image61
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not sure what interwoven and connected life has to do with gods?

            "God is energy"

            Why would someone give a well-defined concept another label? In fact, we could probably find ample scriptures that would contradict gods being energy. Labeling gods as energy simply piles on confusion and contradiction and of course, begs the question. I see that little more than an indoctrinated belief coupled with an ignorance of energy.

            "God is present in every things."

            That has got to be one of the most fantasy laden statements of them all. Nowhere is there any inkling of gods in anything. In fact, we find nothing but contradiction and hypocrisy when we begin looking at things in that regard. But again, another indoctrinated belief.

            "God is outside of everything!"

            Utterly meaningless, even by definition. If the universe is all there is, how can anything be outside of it? Gods would have to part of the universe in order to interact with it. Even in science, they never refer to anything outside our universe, it simply doesn't make any sense. I see that statement more of a position of authority and ignorance than anything else.

            "Some people call it God."

            Okay, based on what, exactly? Where would they get such an idea if not from religious indoctrination coupled with their ignorance of the world around them. How does that help to explain anything? They could just as easily call it a lollipop. smile

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              Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I think it might have everything to do with the word god.  I agree, believers have a maddening manner of attributing everything to God, but look at the sentences you wrote. 

              God is energy.
              God is present in everything.
              God is outside of everything.
              Some people call it God.

              If you change the word god to energy, all the sentences are true. Energy permeates every part of our world. It's inside of us and outside of us. And energy is more amazing every time we solve another piece of the riddle.

              I'm not saying it is alive, but maybe that interwoven connection of energy is what people feel on some level and they mistook it for something else and built religion around it. Maybe the simple answer is that word was the first label for energy, because civilization wasn't able to define it any better.

              1. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Uh, then why not just call it energy? What is the point of calling it god? And again, if we refer to scriptures, we will find contradictions.



                No problem then, we do away with religions and gods and stick to calling it energy. Therefore, we can all agree on it and it won't start any conflicts or wars and we don't have to worship it. smile

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                  Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  There's no point in using different names, except for the fact that we don't know everything about it yet. Once we do, we're all going to be on the same page.

                  God was the first attempt at a theory of everything. It's been tweaked over the years, but that theory won't disappear until we know everything.  It may take a while.

                  1. Beelzedad profile image61
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    About what, gods or energy. The former is true while the later is well understood.



                    No, god is not a theory, by definition of a theory.

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              That is nonsense.

              There have been thousands ,if not millions of people who acknowledged a 'Higher Power' long before missionaries or even the Bible was understood by them.

              Man(kind) has always had a conscience that thinks about ,searches ,denies,accepts that he does not stand alone!

              If you doubt me ,read about peoples experiences during their last hour of life. Why do they often have second thoughts about their after-life.
              Or, when a life changing event changes someones life ,why then do they think about their future and question their worth ,purpose ie

              "Whats life all about"?

              'Where did I come from-Where am I going'

              No ,our human bodies were created with functioning abilities AND our souls were created with desires and a spiritual purpose too.

              Man(kind) was never meant to 'just exist' He was created with a very definate purpose and the ability to experience life in ALL its fullness. smile

              That is my desire and my goal to live til my cup over runneth and to encourage others to have love ,joy and happiness in ALL its fullness...smile

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Kiwi, Agreed big_smile God is the Higher Power. We are not here to simply exist, enjoy life and die. Those are some very good questions you have posted above. Some seem to think we came into existence from a part of a dead animal. That's ridiculous.

                1. getitrite profile image81
                  getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  But what if that was the case?  Would you lose the desire to live?  I think the will to live supercedes any beliefs that we may acquire along the way.

                  1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't live by "what if." I know for certain there is a creator whether you believe it or not. Feel free to continue guessing whether you came into existence from a dead animal or some type of stardust.

                2. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  No, WOC, some seem to think we came into existence from a part of a LIVE animal.  Which is even more ridiculous.  A rib cannot magically turn into a woman.

              2. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Just like there were religions that have exactly the same stories as Christianity, long before Christianity existed.

                Who cares if they acknowledged it? You acknowledge it, too, but still doesn't make it true.



                That's nice, do you have a point?



                What second thoughts? What are you talking about? Are you making the ridiculous claim that there are no atheists in foxholes?



                Because, that is a logical thought process.



                Why did I wear two different socks this morning?



                LOL. That is nonsense. Souls have never been shown to exist nor is there any evidence whatsoever we were created. Right back to religious belief again. Where is your evidence of that outside of the bible?



                That's nice. smile

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I live by faith and His grace is sufficent for me smile

                  Now,what was your point?

                  1. recommend1 profile image70
                    recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I think you are being pushed into a ridiculous position and you should resist answering - I have come to respect you more than such bullsh!t answers display.

                    You clearly have a spiritual side and you are arguing on the side of devalued religion.  You are bigger than that.

                2. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Stories similar to Christianity....hmmm.. i don't think so....
                  Christianity is not works based... there is nothing we can do to earn salvation, no other belief has this.
                  Christ died on the cross for everybodies sins - no other belief has a son that dies for our redemption.
                  These are just two huge differences that Christianity has that all other beliefs do not.
                  Christianity preaches all are sinners and need repentance, no other religion preaches this
                  Christianity has a history rich in power, miracles, signs and wonders.
                  Christianity has a God who loves.

                  Karma is the reworking of Gods' "reap what you sow".
                  Elohim and the plural form of God was used because the Hebrews saw God as in charge of everything, many separate things, whereas the other religions, at that time, 5,000 years ago - had Gods who WERE created things and they served many Gods but the God of the bible corrected this and said... There is only one God and I am that I am.
                  There are not so many other similar beliefs as you would have us to believe.. and i further believe, belie that the sound of the buzzer is definitely needed here.
                  enjoy smile

                  The soul to the Hebrews was the body with the animated animal life.
                  Plato invented the soul as a separate entity, like a spirit.
                  Plato was wrong.

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    Kirui l. K.posted 5 years ago

    Cheaptrick
    'Allah, Buddha, Monster... etc.' you forgot one woman; Blavatsky!

  32. Woman Of Courage profile image61
    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago

    God is indeed a spirit and not a person.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      But the image is also a spiritual image. Sexual ambiguity is actually papal dogma. The inclusion of a sexual difference is indicative of the true nature of Man, male and female, to God, the Father. This is an early description of "Family", learning to walk, separation from the Father/Mother influence. In short, it is the story of birth, life, death, AND rebirth. The medicine wheel, the karmic wheel. Moses must have been a genius...or, no1 That couldn't possibly be! First Contact.

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Druid, I agree with you. That's why I stated God is a spirit. I refer to God as a "He." I was implying God does not have a physical body.

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      you're saying god is not a person?

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly.

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          then why do christians say they have a personal relationship with god if god is not a person?

          1. getitrite profile image81
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You just tore the foundation out. lol

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              God is a person. He is slightly more complicated than little minds can grasp.

              Maybe they tore your foundation out.

              People's opinions do not define God. I think your foundation may be nonexistent on absolutes.

              She simply meant God is not one of you. He is God. Three people. Yet one being.

              I know you WANT to understand God. Unfortunately you have to believe in Him to even start to.

              As if your opinions could change God...

              How absurd.....

              smile

              1. getitrite profile image81
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, only a mind big on delusion could grasp this whimsical nonsense.



                No, I have no foundation...but yours has nothing at all to support it.  And you know it.  But honesty is not for the fearful blind follower.



                Yes they do.  In the U. S. God is a white male.



                Correct.  We actually exist. lol



                Yep.  Only great minds can grasp such a concept as that!  This seems like insanity to the mere intelligent person. lol



                There is NO evidence for a God.  What an indoctrinated mind.



                Gullible, childish, ridiculous nonsense.  Now do you see why I use the analogy of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?  Or I could use the Ju Ju God of the Sea...but, I suggest, you have to believe in them first to even start.  Absurd!

                 

                Your God is imaginary.  What is there to change?  How absurd.

                1. vector7 profile image60
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Enjoy your spaghetti..

                  lol

                  1. getitrite profile image81
                    getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Why is this type of childish nonsense resorted to by, supposedly, adult believers.  This only makes the believer look foolish, and lose any semblance of credibility, along with respect.
                    By totally avoiding the rigors of debate...like a child...believers think that they, somehow, win by default.

                    As an adult, I would be ashamed.

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                'god isn't a person'..'god is a person'

                christians can't agree again

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  do you agree with everyone?

                  Silly statement to make.

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    what's so silly about pointing out that you are all really inconsistent about this god you supposedly have a relationship with

                  2. Beelzedad profile image61
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, it is, because when we talk about nature and the world around us, we can easily agree as nature is right in front of us.

                    Your god is the most important thing in your life and you can't even agree if it's a he or a she or even a person at all.

                    Yup, pretty silly. smile

              3. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                It sure is nice to see you religionists agree with one another, makes your explanations so clear and concise with no degrees of confusion or contradiction.

                lol

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  lol how very droll. smile

                2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh and you agree with everyone BD? ..tsk tsk...

                  Um at least be consistent with your atandards!

                  But all Christians must agree?

                  Why?

                  1. Beelzedad profile image61
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I agree with the laws of our universe, which can be shown to work the way they are supposed to work. I can conduct experiments that yield exactly the same results each time. The same would apply to everyone else.



                    Because, that is what your holy book and your god commands Christians to do. If you can't even agree if on the very basic and elementary aspects of your religion, what good is it to anyone? smile

                  2. Apostle Jack profile image61
                    Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Some people would rather run around jumping up and down and all kind of ways like a chicken with his head cut off.Rather than except the deity of God in this world.

                    They have a serious problem.

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You really think the foundations are that weak?

              If that were the case ,why after 2,ooo years is God still 'an issue'?

              If Christ is a myth and all this talk of Christ is nonsense ,why then do men still discuss him wink

              I mean you could be discussing many many other things.

              But like a moth to a flame you come.

              It has been that way for thousands of years ,and no doubt for all time ,if history is the predictor

              Just sayin.....

              1. vector7 profile image60
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Moth to a flame..

                Plenty of moths in denial here...

                Fly toward the light.

                Then say it doesn't exist...

                lol

              2. getitrite profile image81
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                YES!!!



                Government Control.



                It appears that man is capable of being programmed to a frightening degree, easily!



                This might sound good to you, BUT...

                Still your God is only imaginary, and is the result of your indoctrination by the society in which you were raised.

            3. Woman Of Courage profile image61
              Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No one can even begin to tear down the foundation hmm

              1. getitrite profile image81
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this



                I think you mean that No one can change a psychotic mind...because that's all believers have.

                The foundation of your beliefs has been thoroughly debunked, however, it is understood, psychologically, that psychosis is a complex disorder.

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I agree, and indoctrination allows it to run amok, making claims of great personal worth by proxy. Beliefs such as they are "saved" and others don't yet enjoy this exalted position and need to be taught.

                  If the illness gets bad enough religionists will murder to support those beliefs to protect that psychosis. the Taliban is a fine example of this.

                  The process is well understood and can be dealt with by long term psychotherapy.
                  A full blown psychosis with illusions of grandeur can take up to 6 years,

                  Not too many psychotics voluntarily seek help, as the psychosis itself holds them away from any learning that would access it. smile

                  1. getitrite profile image81
                    getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    The main reenforcement is that the leaders of society have sanctioned this mental illness.

                    Believers can't see that they have been duped, because it appears so normal, in it's context...because that is what has been programmed into their psyche.

                    Try to dupe them with the same kind of nonsense outside of the context of religion, and most believers will display that they can discern between common sense and outlandish fraudulent nonsense.

                    It's state sponsored mental illness.

                2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                  Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  getitrite, You seem to be one miserable person. How immature for you to label us with with a mental illness because of our faith in God.

                  1. getitrite profile image81
                    getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    WOC, sorry, but religious beliefs do fit under the category of mental illness.  That is a fact.  I'm not the one who concluded this.  Andrea Yates murdered her five children, because she said God told her to do this. 

                    Is she mentally ill?  NO.  Not if you accept the story of Abraham as a great man of God.  He, too, said that God told him to kill his son.  Andrea Yates and Abraham are the same.

                    Andrea Yates should become a saint, if you follow this logic, and should go down in Christian history as one of the most faithful and OBEDIANT servants of God.  She, like Abraham, set an example that the rest of us are not strong enough, in faith, to follow.

                  2. Apostle Jack profile image61
                    Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    He is just doing all he knows how to do and that is to speak from alien knowledge,people like that don't know any better.They talk to themselves and bark at the moon,there are people in the world like that.

              2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No WOC and if they cant tear it down ,they have to pretend it doesnt exist..wink

                Like the ostrich with her head in the sand..hehe

                1. getitrite profile image81
                  getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  We don't have to pretend.  Just in case you haven't noticed, after months of being in these forums you believers have not validated ANYTHING, then you say something this brazenly dishonest.

                  I'm not pretending your God does not exist.  Your God is no more real than the monsters our children hear under the bed.

                  You have NO foundation, all you have is a myth from some ancient's childish imagination.

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    After months of being in these forums you still think we have to validate anything to you?

                    I suggest it it you or are delusional.

                    I dont speak for anyone else ,just myself and I can honestly say

                    I believe in God and He exists.

                    God has proved himself to me in many ways.

                    Its not my job to prove Him to you.

                    getitrite ,do yougetityet wink

                  2. Apostle Jack profile image61
                    Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You have ears but can't hear,you have eyes but cannot see you have a brain but you don't know how it operates.I don't have to prove to you that i am who i am in order to be who i am for I will be who i am whether you believe it or not.
                    Atheist just don't get it.

                2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                  Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  kiwi, I agree with you 100% smile

                  1. getitrite profile image81
                    getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I notice you seem to agree with the MOST irrelevant, and weakest responses in the the ongoing argument.  This does not require any logic...only knee-jerk reaction from rigid indoctrination.

          2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Geeze.

            Because I am the person ,that makes it personal.
            God remains spirit.

            Do ya get that ?

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              yep, your god is an asexual invisible spirit that you are in love with

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Words and more words roll

                Whatever floats ya boat -I guess.

              2. vector7 profile image60
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Why would a spirit have a gender at all? It is not related or akin to the physical world at all..

                God is called a He because He thinks and has feelings and males are dominant and authoritative in this world.

                Beelze had a good point. Look at nature.. Which gorilla leads the group?

                The male.....

                This will never end with you TRYING to attach the words literally because you don't know what a metaphoric link is.

                How sad.

                cool

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                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  so a spirit with no gender (and therefore asexual) made the rules about human sex!  Classic!

            2. getitrite profile image81
              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah,  I guess I'm in a personal relationship with pizza,

              Because I'm the person, that makes it personal.
              The pizza...well...it remains pizza. yikes: yikes: yikes:!!!!

              Do you get that Baileybear?

              Geez!

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Aww...ya gotta wee friend to play with now- everybody happy now lol lol  lol

                1. vector7 profile image60
                  vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  lol lol lol
                  lol lol lol
                  lol lol lol

                2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                  Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Lol, I almost fell out the chair laughing. big_smile Very glad to see everyone is happy. big_smile

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                lol

          3. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Baileybear, I got in a little late on the fun. smile Clicking the reply button landed me way down here. God does not have a physical body like you or us is what I meant. These are some of my personal daily habits. I brush my teeth, floss, shower, eat healthy, and read. Not one of the personal habits which I have listed above is a person. Having a personal relationship with God means we should include God in our daily lives.

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              with your example, you're just reinforcing the idea that the only person in your relationship with god is yourself

              1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                ??? Please reread what you have written. Everyone is given the opportunity to have their own personal relationship with God. I am the person, that makes it personal. Sounds familiar? My example above is not as difficult as you are trying to make it.

                1. getitrite profile image81
                  getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I thoroughly explained my personal relationship with pizza to Baileybear as well...and she still just doesn't get it.

                  Yep, she is just trying to make it difficult.

                  Geez!

                  1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                    Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    getitrite  the further you go in the wrong direction the harder it will be to find you way back to the cross roads.....and the higher you go the harder it will hurt when you hit the ground.

                  2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    getitrite, Lol, I read the irrelevant example you shared with her. Everyone seemed to think it was very funny. It seems that you have a little sense of humor. big_smile

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      Kirui l. K.posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      you got it! A spirit is an hypeperson!

  33. getitrite profile image81
    getitriteposted 5 years ago

    Same could be said for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      And it has been said ...many times.

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        LOL

      2. vector7 profile image60
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol

    2. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You must believe in that spaghetti thing..

      You can't seem to forget it.

      And it's also a ridiculous metaphor.

      You could at least TRY to do better...

      smile

      1. getitrite profile image81
        getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this



        Wow. What an angry insulting religionist.  Just because your beliefs are as ridiculous as the Flying Spaghetti Monster is no reason to get angry.  Just change your ridiculous beliefs.

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol

          No. Your metaphor is ridiculous. And you're the one who is angry.

          Have a good one.

          1. getitrite profile image81
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You have a good one as well...and remember no working tomorrow...don't even light a fire, or else!

            So sayeth the Lord:

            On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord.  Anyone who does work on that day, shall be put to death.  You shall not even light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.   (Exodus 35:2-3 NAB)

            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              getitrite

              define work please

              1. getitrite profile image81
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                WORK [verb]~ Activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  no.
                  biblical definitions must occur within the realm of biblical guidelines. Your definition is much too vague. What about heat for the elderly or sick? would it not be a purpose to give them warmth?

                  Biblically work excludes mercy. All the examples of work on a sabbath revolved around mercy. The sheep in the pit, the healing of the man with the withered hand on the sabbath and heat for the elderly,... etc. These all include mercy.

                  Lighting a fire can be done by transferring the flame from the oil lamp which was lit before sabbath. The king james says kindle, which means to start a fire from scratch, remember they had no matches or bic lighters, starting a flame from scratch was work, but rarely had to be done.
                  A neighbors flame can be transported. This simple act of sabbath restrictions serves to remind them that God is the focal point. When i was a child businesses closed on sunday. There was always the day before sabbath to prepare all the stuff needed for sabbath - a beautiful day of rest and relaxation.
                  Again, number of people recorded having died from lighting fires on sabbath = 0

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No they cant do better ,its a little bonding thing they share lol

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Spaghetti forever! smile

          1. getitrite profile image81
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Ramen.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I just read a great short story written by a new hubber. We have another useful writer here I reckon. Dont get to see enough of em! smile
              Sorry for getting off topic all, I suggest you go and read her hub.

              http://hubpages.com/hub/Fearing-and-Loa … -Las-Vegas
              or any of her other hubs, I only read this one, but am confident about the others. smile

              1. getitrite profile image81
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Just read it.  Yes, she IS an actual writer.  Very good flow, naturally. Thanks.

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Your most welcome! smile

  34. recommend1 profile image70
    recommend1posted 5 years ago

    I am back from a fabulous evening at an outside restaurant eating and drinking with good friends and food - you are all talking total sh!te !!!!

    God is a he because old (has been, ancient, done with, past, out of date, past their sell by date) civilisations considered man superior to woman - no other consideration, no argument, pure masculine superiority !!!!

    And god is a representation of how we think about a higher level of life - nothing to do with religiously twisted b@ll@#cks of how a god thinks or what a god says - all about controlling the sheeple, nothing to do with real people !!!!  nothing to do with reality - just mind-cluttfuck to keep the bullsh!t going !@!!

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      Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It appears the alcohol flowed as freely as the conversation on your fabulous outing.

      1. recommend1 profile image70
        recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It definately did !  big_smile   I must be talking sense then ?????????????

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Emile lol

          recommend, Have another drink  lol hows that saying go 'drink drink be merry ,for tomorrow we may die...

          1. recommend1 profile image70
            recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            . . . .and why should we care if we die - it is the end of the world for us and so what !!   enjoy each and every day for what it is,  a flash of time in eternity.    and enjoy any spirituyality you find in life because it is more than us, more than any religion can describe or understand !

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              Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You should definitely drink more often. That statement is about as close to the truth as any will ever get. smile

              1. recommend1 profile image70
                recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I intend to take your advice to the fullest extent as tomorrow is a hooliday - we are about to embark on a day of total self satisfaction with lunch at a steak and/or pizza house and copious beer followed by Pirates of the Carribean 4 in 3D followed by Dinner at a Japanese restaurant in the company of the most beautiful girls in China (my wife anbd others), a Scotsman, a Canadian and their respective families.  Eat your hearts out serious people, the party is here big_smile

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Parties last only for a short while and then the soul quickly empties again and more entertainment is needed. This self centered cycle is ended in Christ and the joy of God is more wonderful than geisha's and movies and especially beer.
                  Eat your heart out. I can live a life that doesn't rely on the worlds systems.

                  1. recommend1 profile image70
                    recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I guess that is the basic difference,  I believe in happiness, caring for others, and living life to the full - you appear to be a party pooper in life and in thought just like those out-of-date puritans who were convinced they knew what was better for everyone and in the name of their god tortured and murdered their way into the history books.

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          Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          A few drinks can certainly clear the mind. It all sounds quite sensible. smile

    2. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      All this talk about controlling the sheeple. The bible was goin on 4,000 yrs before christ. A people came out of slavery, wandered in a desert, saw great signs and wonders and a holy God lead them through the whole thing. Then some man came along and read the bible and said "this is just about control". The actual truth is that phrase came about much too late, probably about 1,000 yrs too late or 5,000 yrs after God was freeing his people from slavery and is still freeing people from their bondages today. The people who parrot that phrase about control obviously are out of control, the control of God - and maybe even the control of man. The two types of control are not the same.

      1. recommend1 profile image70
        recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The transription of the oral record does not tally with the facts as we have exhaustively discussed before.  None of the major events appear to have been recorded by the vastly superior civilizations of the time, including the Egyptians who were supposedly robbed of their work force after plagues and dead children - none of it recorded and so certainly a total fabrication to 'big-up' the ancestors of a particular race of nomadic arabs who got to create their own civilization and invented the religion that curses the world with war and hate to this day.

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          yah.. the egyptians.. vastly superior... Got whipped from the inside.
          The egyptians destroyed the statues and memorabilia of their predecessors. With each new pharaoh came new evidence of his majesty and greatness and an erradication of the prior pharaohs achievements.
          We need to understand how the ancient world viewed the whole idea of recording history. The vast majority of inscriptions found in the ancient world have a specific agenda -- to glorify the deeds of the king and to show his full military power.
          This does not mean that early civilizations did not record events. It’s just that their purpose was more propaganda than creating any kind of objective historical record
          The British Museum in London displays inscriptions from the walls of the palace of the Assyrian Emperor, Sancheriv. These show scenes from Sancheriv's military campaigns from the 8th century BCE, including graphic depictions of destroyed enemies (decapitations, impailings, etc.). Sancheriv himself is depicted as LARGER than life.
          But one element is missing from these inscriptions: There are no dead Assyrians! That is consistent with the ancient "historical" style -- negative events, failures and flaws are not depicted at all. When a nation suffers an embarrassing defeat, they usually whitewash the mistakes and destroy the evidence.
          I appreciate your view and knowing that your country of china is opposed to Christianity, i do have to consider your indoctrination as you might consider mine. I appreciate your 'opinion' but please find some facts.
          The bible is the only book that shows its military victories and defeats in an anti-semetic way.

          1. Jefsaid profile image81
            Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            What? Christianity, Judaism etc... All emanated from Egyptian beliefs and whatever was before that.  They evolved in the same manner through the lessons learned from the Egyptian rulers, to achieve power and superiority over the masses.  The bible is not the beginning of the World nor was it the first story written. Why does this phrase 'anti-semetic' keep being thrown up?  What does it actually mean?

            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              They didn't emanate. They separated.
              God formed their belief.
              Genesis.. explained the origin of everything
              Exodus.. showed them how to be separate
              Leviticus.. showed them holy living and how to worship THEIR God
              Deuteronomy.. reminded them of holiness and worship again.

              The Hebrew way of serving God was completely different than the Egyptians and any other surrounding nations.
              For example:
              while all the other nations were sacrificing human beings and drinking their blood and throwing babies on hot metal altars and into fire.
              the God of the bible said: sacrifice animals and eat your dinner from the cooked flesh. Drink not the blood.
              Every nation had several Gods, the Hebrews had ONE.
              This is not an evolution when you consider Moses on mount Sinai with thunderings and lightning so great the people greatly feared and trembled.
              I don't mind peoples opinions, although i think opinions have no place here, but i prefer them to be correct and not just what they think, unsupported by examples and documents.

              1. Jefsaid profile image81
                Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Nothing you have said makes me think any differently.  For me, the whole god, religion thing is a load of baloney.  Many Eastern people for example have a completely different belief system that does not hold your god at the centre of its World. 
                To me, Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the result of Europe and the Baltic region becoming connected with the then more ancient and sophisticated societies in Northern Africa during the spread of the Roman Empire.  It is wholly probable that the wisdom and mystique of the Egyptians and Ethiopians were seemingly magical in those ancient days and outside settlers who had garnered their teachings would have established their own pitch on these beliefs and formed their own cult followings.  It would seem that the Hebrew people were at centre stage during this period. 
                People of those times were clearly more open to embracing the perception of men with godly connections and the Roman Empire enabled the spread of these myths and legends before they themselves actually re-wrote the script and imposed Christianity as their preferred form of indoctrination.  All the major religions are concocted elaborations and symbolisms of Egyptian beliefs.

  35. getitrite profile image81
    getitriteposted 5 years ago

    God is a HE that's not a PERSON...although I can have a PERSONAL relationship with HIM.

    HE is a SPIRIT...that is a PERSON...but is THREE people...who is ONE person...who is a MALE...but not a MALE...nor a FEMALE...BUT still a HE. sad

    Do you get that, Baileybear?

    1. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I suppose you think something more complex than you should be more simple than you?

      roll

      I can see why you are confused.

      You think everything is suppose to fit your tiny PRE-BUILT perspectives...

      wow.. lol

      smile

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
        Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Vector, One can not understand spiritual things about God if not spiritual connected. It begins with seeking God for themselves. I understand their confusion, because they are trying to understand from a logical viewpoint.

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          how true
          Romans 8:7   Because the carnal mind is enmity (at war) against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

          1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
            Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Amen.

            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I know, eh.
              Before i was saved non of this made any sense and now a whole new beautiful world has opened up - and its endless!
              Scriptures make sense
              God sends me on errands
              People are made happy and lives are literally saved.
              I'm never bored or have nothing to do
              I'm never alone and always have someone to talk to.
              Praise God!

              1. vector7 profile image60
                vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The best post I've seen in awhile.  smile

                Praise God Almighty!!

                cool

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                  Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  So, that made sense to you? Do you run errands for God too? Fascinating stuff. What kind of errands? Do you pick up his laundry or go to the corner grocery for a pint of milk?

                  Does God talk back to you guys when you're in a conversation with him?

                  1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                    brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    yes, yes, yes.
                    the good kind of errands.
                    no and no
                    and YES

                    enjoy

              2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                brother, Praise God for your testimony. smile I can relate. There were many things I didn't understand before I accepted Jesus in my life. God brought me out of darkness into the glorious light. I am just an humble servant who is still growing in the Lord. It is the most beautiful experience. I thank God for his overflowing love.

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  So much better now.
                  He opens the doors that were previously closed
                  and the eyes that were shut
                  and the ears that did not hear
                  and improves comprehension with contextual understanding lol.
                  His Love keeps me going on.
                  Relationships are built on Love not rules.
                  Go with God, sister!

                  1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Amen. Thanks! I have come to far to turn back now and allow Satan to destroy me.

          2. vector7 profile image60
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            AMEN

            Well said WoC.

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      nope. Clear as mud.
      Oh, don't forget that god got mary pregnant too.

      1. vector7 profile image60
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Already stated it's clear as mud to you...

        Not a great source if they don't see it too clearly right?

        Unfortunately..

        cool

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          see you don't have any decent arguments to offer, just smart @ss swipes at people

      2. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Much is indeed muddied.
        oh don't forget that God got Mary pregnant.

        Yes and when she found out, she said:
          Luke 1:38   And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

        She submitted.
        God knows the hearts

  36. lucieanne profile image79
    lucieanneposted 5 years ago

    Well.... I've read some Bull sh.... in my life but this really takes the biscuit! I don't believe God has a gender. 'Man' is short for 'humankind' What does it matter what sex we are? One is totally useless without the other as far as procreation is concerned, and, at the end of the day, that's all we are here for - to keep the hu -MAN race going. Man or woman,- and the word 'woman'' to my reckoning means 'man with a womb'
    Why do men have nipples? They don't need them, they don't breastfeed. We women do all the hard work when it comes to reproduction. We go through the pains of pregnancy and childbirth, we bleed monthly, (some with pain) we rear our young and are quite happy to do so. all the man does is happily plant the seed! As for God being male - unless he's got a pair of balls, he, she, or it is just an entity. The bible is bullshit, and anyone who really believes it must be a sandwich short of a picnic. We put our trust in world leaders who follow this tired out of date book. Religion is the main cause of wars and death all over the world. Do you think that any loving 'God' would really want the intelligent race that he (she or it) allegedly created, to experience all this strife for his (her, it's) family? WAKE UP! It's an out of date fairytale!

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      that made me laugh.  Hope you don't mind me saying, but I think you've got more balls than god

      1. lucieanne profile image79
        lucieanneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you Baileybear. I'll take that as a compliment - although I must admit, I do believe in a divine entity - albeit not the biblical one. I do however, belive that the 'God' I believe in is superior to any mere human, so I feel a little uncomfortable with your comment about me having more balls then Him (Her, It). We are all given a life to live, and if we are lucky we have good parents who teach us right from wrong. We learn values and humility and try our best to be good to each other. This is the 'God' within us. Life is for living. It is a precious gift that we should all cherish and if we are lucky enough to be parents we should teach our offspring to be true to themselves and respect everyone.
        I believe that's what 'God' is all about.

        1. recommend1 profile image70
          recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What you are describing is not a god, it is spirituality.  A god is just how some people with limited imagination personify the unknown, to accept there is more than just self, something else beyond what we know would appear to a healthy response to the unknown.

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          it's meant to be a compliment - you are bold enough to say what you think.  In NZ & Aussie when we say a female has balls, that's what it means

          1. vector7 profile image60
            vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol

            Oh dear..........

            I'm going to DIE laughingggg...............................................................

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I didn't invent this saying.

    2. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The reason men have nipples is because it is aesthetically pleasing. It looks good. Part of Gods design was that each gender should be pleasing to look at. Women like mens parts and men like womens parts.
      Why do women have long eye lashes.. to enhance the eye.
      and etc.

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        aesthetically pleasing??  Ha ha ha ha ha

        What about those that have extra nipples?

        Men can have long eyelashes & women can have short eyelashes.

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          its still aesthetically pleasing and the extra nipple entertainment lol

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            and nipples in male bats...are they to be aesthetically pleasing too?



            <nude image snipped>

            extra breasts under the armpits - you like those too?

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I don't believe hubpages smiles upon such a disgusting and indecent display..

              And you have so many questions that are petty.

              Anyone can ask a billion unanswered questions. There is an endless supply.

              What is your goal? To convert someone because men have nipples?

              Maybe you should look into something slightly more important.

              Or at least spend the time asking questions you know there aren't any answers to... to do something good.

              And quit hounding Christians like we are required to answer all your pathetic questions.

              Asking all these questions like your the authority or something... roll

              I think maybe you should answer your own ridiculous questions with your own ridiculous answers.................


              cool

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                disgusting display?  This is one of god's creations is it not?  I wrote a hub about the unintelligent design in nature just like this example.  Women and men can have rows of nipples just like a dog or cat.

                You don't have decent answers, so you say I have ridiculous questions.  Typical.  I ask these questions to make people think.  Clearly that is beyond you.

                BTW, some male bats produce small amounts of milk - now is that disgusting to you too?

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm fine with it.
                  Gods infinite creativity amazes me.
                  He does enjoy creating.
                  God should be more creative than any man has ever been. Should God be less creative than Shakespeare or van gouge? I think not.

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                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I got banned from the forums for the first time - presumably for this (I certainly didn't call anyone names).  Talk about over-sensitive

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                    SirDentposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    That doesn't seem like something you should be banned for.  Are you sure it was for that and not another post?

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Sin entered the world
              Corrupts all future seed

              Oh but we have been down that road before haven't we BB?

              I guess your questions and pics are more sensational though.

              There is no shortage of those online ,but its still just like God said it was.

              Sin corrupting a once perfect world.

              1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Genesis 3:17   And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
                  Genesis 3:18   Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

                the earth became subject to the sinful nature of man. Pollution is a good example, besides others.

                Romans 8:22   For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Thankyou for those scriptures smile

              2. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Kiwi, Some refuse to accept that sin is the cause for imperfection in this world. They just want to continue to blame God.

                1. Beelzedad profile image61
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  With indoctrination, it is key to accept that type of doctrine without any critical thought. However, even after some not so critical thought, one can easily see the contradictions of that belief and find that it is not supported at all.

                  And, there's no reason to blame your god, but instead, blame religious indoctrination that causes people to believe in such things. smile

                  1. Woman Of Courage profile image61
                    Woman Of Courageposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I just thought of a question to ask you. Were you once indoctrinated to believe and decided to turn away from believing the word of God. I will be awaiting your response.

                2. My Esoteric profile image88
                  My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Woman and Kiwi - I departed from Christianity and your version of God when I was 10 because of what was in the Bible;  there were simply too many unanswerd contratradictions.  The ones that influenced me then were surface contradictions.

                  You bring up the most fundamental contradiction for which Christians, Jews, or Muslims have no anwser.  It goes something like this.  According to the Bible, God created everything there is in the Universe.  The term "Everything" is all inclusive, I don't know of any other interpretation; it must included both "good", "evil", "sin", and "imperfection".  If it doesn't. then, by definition, your God cannot really be a God because a true God must, again by definition and by the Bible, is definition, be inifinite.

                  With respect, it must follow then, assuming, as you obiously do, that your God is the true and only God, then God must be resposible for all sin and imperfection in the world, especially if you are one of the Christians who do not believe in Free Will or unless Christians play by a different set of rules of simple logic only you are privy to.

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    On the surface it appears your defination is correct,but you judge God in human standards and He is God ,beyond and bigger than what we could ever imagine, so if you go deeper ,God character is not defined by what we see and think -always.

                    (That is why the Holy Spirit,imparts and reveals much) as God said he would)

                    Once again that is a Spiritual concept,not a man made one,hence it is often missed or misunderstood.

                    Christians in general accept (and heavily critised) for accepting God is everything to be the foundation of their faith.

                    Faith is a growing and evolving lifestyle. Gods truth never changes ,but we humans are being transformed daily ,if we are listening and walking with Christ.

                    We dont have to acquire the status that man requires ie. Best college ,a list of accolades or even letters after our name.

                    Gods standard is not like the worlds ,he looks inward (the state of our hearts/attitude ,mankind looks at what we aquire on the outside-trophies ,money, chattels etc.

                    My understanding of God being 'Everything' and 'All' is easy to accept....
                    As a primitive example...
                    As parents we have children ,we are in them , we are part of them , eveything they do in the beginning is because we are 'everything ' and 'all' to them.
                    They grow up ,become independant ,but does that mean we cease to be 'Everything' or 'All' ..( Im speaking laterally)...

                  2. getitrite profile image81
                    getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    That's your answer, absolutely!

      2. My Esoteric profile image88
        My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You got to kidding me.  While, in evoluntionaly terms you have a point such as females looking for a male to provide protection and stability, yes ladies, that is true and has nothing to do with equality, and males look for attractiveness, the idea of what is atrractive changes of time.

        In my day, clean shaven men with a lot of well groomed hair seemed to me what women wanted[ I had the face but with a really weak chin so there goes the manly man look..  Now, it seems one day old dark growth and bald is cool; I now have a beard, hiding the chin, naturally bald, ... but well out our of my prime.  I won't get into what the Greek males of Plato's day, I think,  thought was beautiful in women, it wasn't pretty by today's standards.

  37. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    Straight talk! I love it. Call a spade a spade. smile

    the bible is a bronze aged psychotic myth in my view too. smile

    1. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The drugs you endorse don't affect your judgement though I guess huh..

      cool

  38. pisean282311 profile image58
    pisean282311posted 5 years ago

    It is simple if we see how humans evolved and role men gender played in early days.Since humans created religious god, it was natural for Men who created religion to consider god as Man..

  39. cheaptrick profile image64
    cheaptrickposted 5 years ago

    I'm gonna add a little fuel to this fire[as if it needs any lol].Christ died and Peter immediately high jacked his teachings[stole it from Mary Magdalene]to form the Universal[Catholic] church.It went prime time when Constantine[the pagan]made it the official religion of Rome cause it was very fast growing and the empire was on shaky ground[so,a political motivation.Nothing to do with religion].The"Universal"church then went about there murder,torture,and other fun activities so as to wipe out all other groups of Christians[cause they had the power dudes and dudettes].A Cool priest[good old Martin]said...WOAO,this just ain't right,so he tried to"PROTEST"the stuff the"Universals"were doing.He still was indoctrinated with"THEIR"hijacked politically motivated belief system and it tainted the"PROTESTENT"movement as well[just not as nasty,but still nasty] and that is the beggining[root]of today's brand of love on one hand,murder on the other Christianity.The"Universal"church claimed the old testament in order to gain credibility in a world that respected the old and rejected the"NEW"cults like Christianity.Walk into any church on any sunday and chances are you'll hear someone preaching from the"OLD"testament.Walk into any Synagogue Anytime and see if you can find a Rabbi preaching from the"NEW"testament[Ain't Gonna Happen],You claim them and they Reject you.Christians absconded with the Torah to Legitimise there infant religion so as to make it credible,then turned around and condemned the folks who wrote it!At least the Jews stayed true to their delusions.Buy rights,Mary should have been the first Pope not Peter."Jesus loved Mary more than all the others and kissed her often on the....[hole in papyrus]"From the gospel of Mary Magdalen.The world would be a better place today if Peter hadn't been such a narcissistic dildo.

    OK,hows that for fanning the flame!

    1. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thats interesting if not for:
         Acts 10:4   And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
        Acts 10:5   And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:
      Peter gets Sent. He didn't just go. Men, gentiles even, come for him and off he goes.
         Acts 11:21   And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.
        Acts 11:22   Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.
      to keep this short... the disciples were told to go and wait for the gift of the Holy Ghost in acts 2. Acts covers a 30 year period. In chapter 11 of acts, few have gone and many are still waiting, 10  yrs later. Persecution came against the church to move the church outward, kinda push them from waiting.
      The bottom line is 'people do what people do'. We have examples of ex Christians here who rant and rave against the god they once served. Did God stop them? No. Somewhere in their walk, Self still ruled their throne, they may have been in a cult or they were just in it to get a better life of material things, whatever... the catholic church - that knew not the God of the bible, although they said they represented, obviously being motivated by different objectives than preaching the Gospel of Christ went about doing their own thing also. God never forces people to do His will, but he will train people to do what he wants if they let Him.
      The gospel of Mary Magdalen i have read and it contains unscriptural nonsense and i wouldn't quote any of it for any reason. Take out the trash please.
      The Church was birthed because the torah was being preached in the synagogues and because the jews never accepted christ the Christians were allowed to enter but rarely to discuss Jesus, therefore, in order to discuss the new dispensation, Christ on the cross, and repentance, salvation and other Christian doctrines, even the truth of God revealed in the person of Jesus Christ... the church needed to come into existence - once again, because of the stubborness of the jews in rejecting Christ.

      1. Jefsaid profile image81
        Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        One can become indoctrinated by any belief if one chooses that path...

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Even those that do not believe anything at all.

          1. brotheryochanan profile image60
            brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Therefore people must be careful if not overly careful.

            1. Jefsaid profile image81
              Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              People can believe in things other than the bible and it is safe to do so...

      2. lucieanne profile image79
        lucieanneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        2 Timothy vs 2 'All scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching' (if you believe any of it, that is) so how can you discount Mary Magdalene's gospel? Who are you to say it's trash?

        1. jacharless profile image81
          jacharlessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          and not to forget the recently discovered 'gospel' of Thomas in Egypt...

  40. 0
    Muldanianmanposted 5 years ago

    Because society has been, and still is dominated my men, it seems quite natural to refer to God in the masculine.  Unfortunately, this does little to help women gain equality in society.  Ever since, The Church of England allowed women to become priests, it has lost many thousands of its followers, mostly to the Roman Church.  A lot of those leaving the church have been women, showing that the indoctrination that the male is superior to the female has been accepted by all.  It seems it is impossible for people to think outside of the boxes that confine them.

    1. couturepopcafe profile image60
      couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sure you can agree that indoctrination assumes the face of truth but can be very far from it.

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        Muldanianmanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        All indoctrination assumes the face of truth, but is I believe very often a form of brainwashing.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You was brainwash not to believe .You got it from somewhere.

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            Muldanianmanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No I made informed choices based upon the best evidence, and not on discrimination or primitive beliefs, which have no basis in reality.  But I suppose you would believe Satan made me say that.

            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              i wouldn't give satan any credit

              the romans and greeks were the first to really grasp abstract thought.
              faith and belief are abstracts and therefore hard to both define and produce evidence.
              But they exist.
              as do others
              hope. love.
              they have definitions and some evidence but still are abstract.

              Primitive is not to be discounted because it happened back then. Your childhood is important to your adult life. History is important to the future.
              As time moves on, our time will be considered primitive. Are our accomplishments to be dismissed because time moved forward?

              Some would say the old ways are best. Indeed they would be right. Properly grown food, fresh vegetables, horse and carriage instead of polluting noisy cars, peace and quiet beside a clean stream with large fish, less hustle and bustle, family ties.
              Sometimes evolution, just sucks on many levels.

  41. 61
    mejemaposted 5 years ago

    Interesting take on a very heated subject....

  42. kess profile image60
    kessposted 5 years ago

    not much more i can say..

  43. theirishobserver. profile image60
    theirishobserver.posted 5 years ago

    Because Man is God smile

    1. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly..

      Because you said so right........

      Goodness....

      cool

  44. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    No ,drugs are the Govt supported cures be it over the counter or via the many hundreds of medical providers.

    Just pop a pill ,or lock the poor buggar up!

    The wonder pill for all of mans dilemmas ,oh no wait lets blame religion.

    Yea Religion. Its all their fault roll

  45. cheaptrick profile image64
    cheaptrickposted 5 years ago

    How #%&#& hypocritical is it that you can believe in God,Jesus,Angels,Demons and so forth...but if they talk to you and you hear their voices...you get medicated,put in the"Long"sleeved jacket,and locked in a padded room?
    It's cause their NOT REAL!!The over arching principle of unity of this universe is NOT aprehendable buy our Tiny human minds and that includes everyone...

    1. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Got it all figured out have you? lol

      cool

    2. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What you are saying are nor real.

  46. getitrite profile image81
    getitriteposted 5 years ago

    ...and the cow jumped over the moon,
    and the dish ran away with the spoon.

  47. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    lol How can anyone be a "failed religionist?" lol

    Having the capacity to escape from indoctrination should result in a Nobel!
    With all the crud about religion in our daily lives, it is a big ask. Too big for most religionists as is evident.

    Don't worry some day you may get past your frightened clinging to myths of yor and see the light.

    Then instead of being sad and alone, you can come out of your room without the permission of the invisible fairy in the sky. smile


    Who knows? You may even learn not to make every post a personal attack, and stop seeing comments such as this one in reply. smile

    1. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Obviously being a failed religionist is again truth and i will tell you why.
      To once have been in something and to walk away or not complete the course or use different formulas than the norm (in math for example) means failure. In anything on this planet failure is failure, excuses never  give a diploma for failure and solid reasons only get ya another shot at the course again.
      The crud you see, i don't see it. So it must be personal.
      Since God never fails us, we can only fail Him.
      I rather object to your telling everybody that your failed experience is an ensign for all to follow. I don't see how your incorrect and wrong path is supposed to be every bodies experience. I think you assume too much and i think while you were in it - if indeed you ever were in it - you assumed not enough.
      Sorry, that you, out of context,
      consider EVERY post to be a personal attack, its just that my experience and yours, disagree entirely and since i know you failed, you again fail to convince me. Have i not proven you wrong before many times and once again.
      This forum is a place for discussion, not personal opinions which are really just excuses for failures sometimes. It is hard to discuss personal opinions because, well, every body has one. In forums such as this one needs to use the right ammo to discuss and that is bible. If people cannot bring bible to the table, and then accept scripture debunking their claim or come up with suitable counter argument, this forum becomes a place for every foul bird to nest.

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        seems you love to use the word failure.  Failed in your books, learnt lessons & gained insight in mine. 
        Every post here is a personal opinion.
        Not everyone believes the bible is an absolute authority.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That is true.Different strokes for different fokes.

        2. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          And personal opinions are alive in many forms, but useless, since the bible is the absolute authority, but nevermind, the post was to another to answer a post that i thought was kinda dumb.
          If you want to refute my posts, please add more than your personal opinion since i know not where that comes from and please try not to sneak around the points i mention, but face them and discuss them.
          That would be nice.

          1. Beelzedad profile image61
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Then, we can refute the bible of it's contents and conclude that your words are just personal opinions that aren't relevant and don't matter? smile

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I think that a man touch by fire would have more to say about the matter than the ones that didn't. That is where we are now.

      2. Jefsaid profile image81
        Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The bible is the absolute authority? What above all other religious books or life philosophies that have been in existence as long or even longer?  Give me a break! You need to pop the bubble of the indoctrination to which you are confined and sniff the fresh air of goodness and discipline in the outside World that is not dictated by the bible.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          When it comes you still won't be able to comprehend it.But others will.

          1. Jefsaid profile image81
            Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            When what comes?

        2. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you but...
          i have been there my friend
          i far more enjoy everything where i am now.
          There's new stuff here.
          The bible rocks!

          1. Jefsaid profile image81
            Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            If it makes you happy all well and good.  But you should refrain from quoting it as some kind of fact.  It is simply a belief.

  48. vector7 profile image60
    vector7posted 5 years ago

    "You have a good one as well...and remember no working tomorrow...don't even light a fire, or else!

    So sayeth the Lord:

    On six days work may be done, but the seventh day shall be sacred to you as the Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord.  Anyone who does work on that day, shall be put to death.  You shall not even light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.   (Exodus 35:2-3 NAB)"


    Ahh yes.. The overlooking Jesus Christ method.

    Don't forget, Christ is the reason we don't need to be perfect for God to allow us to be with Him.

    God knows who loves Him and who tries to make Him happy. And He sent Jesus to allow the imperfect people that love Him to be made perfect by Him if they ACTUALLY LOVE HIM AND TRY TO DO WHAT PLEASES HIM AND TRUST HIM.

    Jesus was crucified because He had to live as we do. But He was perfect and would never die naturally because sin is what kills human kind. Jesus had no sin, but to change our case from actually having to be perfect, to God perfecting us because we love Him and try to do good He died as we die because it is what we all go though.

    Through Jesus any judgement God so pleases can be made, including allowing who He desires to be allowed into heaven.

    Without that interjection, then by God's very nature, imperfection is a disease like a virus and kills things that are perfect. He would simply have to put us away from Him, which is death because only with God is there life.

    Jesus is your perfection that you cannot be...

    But only if you accept Him.

    cool

    1. e_l_Mason profile image60
      e_l_Masonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      so... God is a transvestite?  That is so cool

      1. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        God is a them. If the body is the residence, then "them" is us.

    2. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for that insane testimony.  Which Harry Potter movie was that from?  Or was that J.R.R. Tolken?

    3. Jefsaid profile image81
      Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The last statement sums it up - 'But only if you accept him'.  What this suggests to me is that anything is believable if you let yourself believe it...

  49. Joseph Lane profile image61
    Joseph Laneposted 5 years ago

    The simple answer; God is the product of the patriarchy. The human concept of the 'all powerful' is of course going to be an 'he' in societies that view masculinity as authoritative. All of it, in my humble opinion, is bollocks of course, because if God exists he is at best non-sexual. What would an omnipotent being need with sex organs anyway?

    1. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Spirits don't have organs but still can be classified as male and female.Where did you get your knowledge from?

  50. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    "anti semetic" means that you disagree with the zionists about Israel's right to lock up an entire country and deny the human rights of the Palestinians. smile

    1. My Esoteric profile image88
      My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Boy have you got that one wrong!  Hitler is anti-semetic,  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is anti-semetic, and Mohamed Ghadafi is anti-semetic.  In case you weren't aware anti-semetism was alive and well in the crematoriums of Aushwitz and the Pogroms of the Czars of Russia, long before the State of Israel was a gleem in David Ben-Gurion's eye.  Try again Earnestshub

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Do I really have to present all the evidence for my statement about Hitler again?

        I don't disagree that those mentioned are truly anti Semitic but that is not the meaning that is being conveyed by some in this thread. smile

    2. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think so.

      anti means against
      now ya have to find out what Semitic really means and then discover what it means to be anti toward Semiticism.

      1. My Esoteric profile image88
        My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        From Wikipedia, they souce the US State Dept (1) and a University of North Carolina Study (2) for this definition: 

        Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is "hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity."[1] In its extreme form, it "attributes to the Jews an exceptional position among all other civilizations, defames them as an inferior group and denies their being part of the nation[s]" in which they reside.[2]

        I hope those that are bandying about the term "antisemetic" go back to the drawing board and learn what they are really talking about instead of blowing out of the their you-know-where.  Those who are antisemetic want to basically exterminate the Jews just like the bigots in America want to re-enslave the Black Americans or send them back to Africa.  They exist, I (shudder) live amongst them here in Florida.

        1. Jefsaid profile image81
          Jefsaidposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Why does this special word exist for Jews and the Jewish religion?  Being non-religious and baffled by the waffle I have read fleetingly in the bible, I am fascinated by where the term anti-Semitism originated.  I do not get why Jews were/are persecuted.  My vague understanding is that there is some biblical connotation.

          1. My Esoteric profile image88
            My Esotericposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I don't really know, but that has never stopped me from pontificating anyway.  To start with, I don't know what drives people to hang on to their religious beliefs in the face of unspeakable violence on the one hand or irrefutable logic that shoots down the fundamental premises of their particular religion on the other.  But, given that they do, here goes.

            Of the three monotheisist religions and pagans in existance shortly after the death of Jesus, only two survived in control of States, Christians, in the West and Muslims, in the East.  The Pagans were pretty much exterminated, with only pockets surviving here and there.  Jews, however, were able to survive as a cohesive group.  What the Jews had that the Pagans didn't was a spiritual tie to both Christians and Muslims, although this was sometimes a moderately good thing but often a very bad thing.

            Whether Christians and Muslims like it or not, Jews are their Father; Abraham is where all Jews, Christians, and Muslims originate from.  Muslims accept this, in fact Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet, just not a savior.  Christians, on the other hand, by definition must hate Jews for it was the Jew that murdered Jesus; they were responsibile for the Romans crucifying Him.  It was only until the 1900's before the Christians stopped a general widespread pursecution of the Jews for exactly this reseason.  Many fundamentalist Christians still do to this day.  This does not happen to any other group of people on Earth.

            That is my theory anyway.

 
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