Is it a sin to support people like the Rev. Harold Camping?

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years ago

   Is it a sin to support "false" prophets, new age prophets, believe in prophecy or practice fortune telling and/or astronomy? 
   
   Is it wrong to donate money to missionaries such as the Rev. Harold Camping's missionary, in order to lend support to their ideals of the Rapture/Doomsday predications?  If so, why do people choose to do it then?  Something else that has been thrown around in some biblical circles is; should preachers such as Harold Camping be considered evil, and thus a demon of Lucifer's?

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      Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The last christian I spoke to on this site about Harold Camping likened donating to him to buying stock. So, I guess  some Christians don't see it as a sin. It's playing the heavenly market. If they keep investing maybe one day they'll back a winner.

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well that is one way at looking at it.  I like their positive approach towards the issues.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Some people have blind love.They get stuck between a rock and a hard place and don't which way to go.

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      SirDentposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It is more like the blind leader of the blind.  They all end up in the ditch.  Following after a false prophet is a sin but it is more like idol worship.

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      Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Who is to say who is a false prophet? Even the main religions don't agree on that from one religion to the other.
      
      
      
      That is exactly what Christians have been practicing for centuries.
      
      

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with you.  But there is still a debate here.  Not everyone sees it as cut and dry as we do.  So I'm interested in that point of view.

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         SirDentposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Did his prophecy come true?   If not, then he is a false prophet.  Makes no difference what other religions believe or support.
         
         
         
         
         Christians do give to missoinaries, as they also give to charities.  They do not promote false prophets.

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      brotheryochananposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Is it a sin to support "false" prophets,
      Not a sin persay but why would anybody?
      
      new age prophets,
      There are no new age prophets, prophecy was done away with and was strictly a OT usage. Check what the prophets said compared to what they say now, completely different. Sometimes people confuse the 'word of exhortation' and 'word of wisdom or knowledge' with prophecy and it isn't.
      
      practice fortune telling
      Most of this is a sham, scam or baloney. It is a lie and therefore God dislikes it. God holds future events in his hand and it is not for us to know other than what the book of revelation tells us.
      
      and/or astronomy?
      AstroNOMY is fine.. watch the planets all you like, they are pretty. AstroLOGY is not a good thing. The planets and stars are NOT there to control our lives. God says do not do this thing.

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         Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Many do follow false ideologies, yet they have no idea they do. From my perspective, you follow a false ideology. So, why do you?
         
         
         
         Kind of like the "completely different" messages revealed in the NT compared with the OT?
         
         
         
         That would be your personal opinion and a claim made only if one had personal knowledge of what gods think.
         
         But, I do find it interesting that you would embrace one form of magic but not another.
         
         
         
         Where does it say anything in the bible about astrology? And again, you make claims that would require personal knowledge of what gods think.

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            brotheryochananposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            in my opinion you follow a false doctrine.
            
            There are not two completely different messages. You simply don't have enough understanding to know.
            
            "That would be your personal opinion and a claim made only if one had personal knowledge of what gods think"       WHAT!!?? drinking?
            
            "one form of magic and not another"... good grief.. sound of the buzzer! Lets look at egypt and all their gods.. gods of the nile, god of the sun, god of life and death, god of crops to name a few.. God turned the nile to blood, blocked out the sun for 3 days, killed the first borns and caused locusts to eat the crops. There is only one source of power and that is of God.
            As you have written concerning 'cold readings', it is false. Astrology, predicting how ones day will be based on the month you were born, is false.
            In short, the reason i believe in the magic of God is because it is the true magic.
            
            Yes i know what God thinks. Other Christians know what God thinks. This is not a great thing nor hard to accomplish for US, for you, it is entirely impossible.
            
            Daniel 4:7   Then came in the magicians, the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers: and I told the dream before them; but they did not make known unto me the interpretation thereof.
            
            Deuteronomy 4:15-19   And lest (warning word) thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou see the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, should you be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
            
            there's more

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Why would anybody?  Again why do people drink and drive?  Who knows...  Point is they DO!  There are lots of new age prophets in our midst.  Joseph Smith claim to fame is that he was a prophet if God's.  Need I list more prophets that I would consider new age.  My next door neighbor husband claims to be a prophet of God's.  And is cooky wife thinks so too....

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            brotheryochananposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Because they do not know any better. It all comes down to relationship with God and knowing His Word.

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      Merlin Fraserposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Not a sin at all just plain stupid !
      
        How many guesses does he get before the faithful wake up and go DUH!
      
      
        If I may speak plainly, Anybody that follows that idiot has to several fries short of a Happy Meal.
      
        And anyone who gives him money should be locked up for their own protection.

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Its stupid to drink and drive....  But it still happens.  So I am not sure what your response is about. 
         
         Stupid is as stupid does... -Forrest Gump's mother

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            Merlin Fraserposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The cure for ignorance is education, as far as I am aware there is no cure for stupidity !
            
              Grandma Fraser used to say; "It's takes all sorts to make a World !"
            
              However, Grandpa Fraser pointed out that actually it didn't,  we just happen to have all sorts !

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   knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

   How about a bulb or two short.

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      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't that the truth. 
      
      I don't think God should consider it sinning; He made them too stupid to understand their own actions and thus should take the consequences Himself.

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years ago

   So you think that people like Harold Camping are God's doing, & thus this man is not responsible for his actions and loose words?  Do you think god is responsible for your words and actions?

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      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      No, no, no.  Camping is quite responsible for his actions.  It is the people donating to him that are a bulb or two short.

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years ago

   Hmmm...  Interesting take.   I can totally see that, but is it still a Sin?

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      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      As Camping is committing fraud under the cover of religion that would be a sin.  The people donating are simply too stupid to understand what is going on, and stupidity cannot be a sin anymore than a child's ignorance of the world can.

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years ago

   Ah.  But is that a justifiable excuse for following a false Prophet?

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   IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years ago

   But isn't God pretty clear about this subject in the bible.  Doesn't he say not to put  others before him?  Didn't he also command that we not look to the stars to see the future and to stay away from the likes of fortunetellers?  Didn't Christ tell us to put no laws made by man before God's. 
   
   Harold Camping's Christian mission and message contradicts many of these religious guidelines and laws.  For instance~ Christ clearly  tells us that we will not know the hour of the rapture.  Well Harold Camping is saying just the opposite of that, thus telling us to ignore God and follow him.  Isn't that a sin in god's eyes?

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      SirDentposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes.  I thought I was clear before but I realize my answer was vague. 
      
      Anytime a persom promotes a lie, they sin.  I realize that many might say well, it is the truth to Harold Camping.  It doesn;t matter what Harold Camping believes is true.  He "says" he is a follower of God but he does not show the fruit of the spirit.
      
      In other words IE, you are right in your aseessment.

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I had a 84 year old preacher as a patient the other day, and he was fit to be tied over this issue.  These are mainly his point of view, andI must admit I was agreeing with his general assessment.

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   Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

   His sideburns alone are blasphemous

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      

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   Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

   you BC people are all crazy

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      SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      ...Go Canucks Go!!!

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         Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         see.. i told you so

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      Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks! The sanity in the center of the universe is not for everyone.

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   CMHypnoposted 12 years ago

   I love phrases like 'God dislikes it', it just conjures up images of the people saying it having a cup of tea with God once a week or so and chatting through the rules LOL!
   
   Instead of getting hung up on the concept of 'sin', would it not be better to sling Camping into prison for fraud and try and educate his followers on how to use their brains, make their own decisions and take responsibility for their own lives

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