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The Believing Brain

  1. Beelzedad profile image59
    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago

    The Believing Brain : From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies---How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths ~ by Michael Shermer

    "Shermer outlines the numerous cognitive tools our brains engage to reinforce our beliefs as truths.

    Interlaced with his theory of belief, Shermer provides countless real-world examples of how this process operates, from politics, economics, and religion to conspiracy theories, the supernatural, and the paranormal. Ultimately, he demonstrates why science is the best tool ever devised to determine whether or not a belief matches reality."

    If anyone has read this book, please provide some comments. Thanks.

    smile

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Not much to say about this.

      I would guess Shermer has most of it right. I have not read The believing brain, but have a fair idea of how he thinks after reading one of his other books. "Why people believe weird things" a few years back.

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Kewl, thanks Earn.

    2. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      did he mention that he too is victom of this human tendency of which he speaks?

         Thereby making his opinion as deluded as everyone elses.

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You didn't read the bold type, did you, Jerami? smile

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I haven't read it, but it sounds interesting.  I'm curious as to how people come to believe what they do

    4. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Wrong knowledge.The brain is matter and it have no spiritual function such as belief when belief is a decision of the intellect which is spiritual?Keep it in your memory that we have 2 bodies,and not just one.

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I checked by counting the number of legs my trousers have, and I seem to only have the two legs and no other body.

        I will check the stock in the local Salvation Army store today and count all their religious pants legs to ensure I'm right. I'll get back to you OK? lol

        1. dutchman1951 profile image62
          dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lolol...Earnest!

        2. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If you already knew.....there would have been no need for my coming.

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            There is a need for your coming? lol

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              It is PREDESTINE,....you are included anyway.It cannot be prevented,hindered,nor coped.You cannot squeeze out of this one.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                So you are our new messiah! Good for you! I know a local guy who is the King of England. Some fools locked him up. Do you know him?

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I thought you at lease know what one and one is equal to.....but you don't even know that .I see you now as extra baggage.

                  1. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    See that's the type of statement I am talking about. Total nonsense.

                  2. heavenbound5511 profile image80
                    heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Apostle Jack-

                    Romans 2:1 --You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
                    James 2:13-- because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

                    A word fitly spoken [is like] apples of gold in pictures of silver.-Prov 25:11
                    A man finds joy in giving an apt reply--and how good is a timely word!- Prov 15:23

                    Matthew 12:33--"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
                    John 15:4-Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

                    Gal 5:14--For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

                    15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

                    16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

                    17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

                    18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

                    19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

                    20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

                    21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

                    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

                    23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

                    24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

                    25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

                    26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

                    Luke 6:37
                    [Judging Others] [6:37-42pp -- Mt 7:1-5] "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

              2. Cagsil profile image82
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Predestine? There isn't anything that is predestined. Absolutely nothing.
                You claim to have intelligence, yet you cannot see outside the wet paper bag you seem to have locked yourself into. lol

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You don't even know what Predestination is,so your comment don't hold any water.Everything was meant to be in this world,that is predestination.I talk to a 3 year old child once and he knew and understood.But you say nothing in this world is predestine.Every school that you have attended,and all the books you have read,have left you in the cold because you think everything here is by chance and nothing on purpose.Now that is really dumb,and dumber than everything that is dumb in this world.

                  1. Cagsil profile image82
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I understand the word. It might be YOU who don't understand it, but have created your own definition for the word.
                    Predestination is a claim that everything was actually planned by a specific set of actions by a specific source or sources. The fact that you're insinuating it, shows you lack understanding. It plays into "Intelligent Design".
                    lol
                    lol You're too funny. lol
                    This statement shows more about you than you want, but I don't expect you to understand to begin with.

                  2. lizzieBoo profile image79
                    lizzieBooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Apostle Jack, the notion of predestination is a misinterpretation of the Bible by the protestant Calvin. It is in direct opposition to the belief that we have free will in this world. Christ came to save all sinners, not just the chosen few.

    5. dutchman1951 profile image62
      dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I am trying to overcome my believing brain, stuffed with all the Old Catholic crapola!

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        mine was stuffed with pentecostal christianity crapola!

    6. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If you believe that the brain can talk,....then you believe that walls can talk too.

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I have to ask... Do you read or understand anything that has been said here?
        ...or do you just say the first unrelated thing that enters your head?

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Only certain ones can hear me,....you are too far away.

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well no one here seems to know what you are on about. Ever considered that may be about you and not them?

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So what.I am not trying to prove anything,i am just here to deliver a message.So if you believe or not,that, is your problem.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                That's the thing right there... I don't have a problem! lol

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That is the problem.......you are in denial ...you are perfect.Everyones fault but yours,yours work better than anyones......and you say that you don't have a problem?

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    hark who's talking

                  2. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I believe you have the problem of trying to flog a dead horse.


                    I recommend that others take a look at your profile and decide for themselves who has a problem. lol

          2. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, Australia is a long way from Georgia. I will write louder OK?

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes..............like spirituality is from science.Like your knowledge is from mine.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You can say that again! lol lol ;lol:

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I can't believe you have over 300 followers

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          We grow as we know,and show as we go.We are as efficient in doing whatever it is in life that we want to do as we are ready and prepared to do so.

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I just saw your profile. I now understand what the problem is. smile

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              We will see.

            2. getitrite profile image80
              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              What's sad is that some naive, weak-minded people will believe, and follow this @#$!%.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Ya reckon?
                They'd have to set new records for gullibility. lol

                1. getitrite profile image80
                  getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It's gonna be hard to beat Westboro Baptist and Harold Camping's followers. lol

                  1. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I know, but this cat is in a class of his own. lol

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    there's several on HP that seem to think they are prophets

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I read a few & couldn't make head or tail of it - the believers were lapping it up

                1. earnestshub profile image86
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Are you sure they were people? If so that is downright scary! lol

                2. getitrite profile image80
                  getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  UNBELIEVABLE!  I read some too.  The poems were somewhat comprehensible, but the Philosophy was truly TWISTED.

      3. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Where in the OP does it say anything about brains talking? smile

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If you believe that all communication and thoughts come from the brain,that is like  believing that walls could talk,seeing that they are both material and have no spiritual qualities.

          1. getitrite profile image80
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            OK Jack, I'm now going to ask you for proof that all thoughts and communication do not come from the brain.

            If you can't prove that assertion, then, you will have no basis for your argument, and no right to belittle the hubbers who don't believe you.

            Doesn't that sound fair?  So, please, show us the light!

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I don't have to prove to you that i am who i am in order to be who i am.
              I am a Celestial Spirit,that is unknown to your spirit,but is live before you is proof for many.The brain cannot and do not produce what is spiritual.Such as personality,and intelligence.So there are SEPARATE definitions that must be applied.A brain cannot speak so we are speaking from another source.
              I don't know what proof you are looking for,but most people can look around them and see God everywhere,and then,...some can't see the forest for the trees.Personal experience is a mighty thing.It give one CONFIDENCE above and beyond personal opinions.
              Thoughts and communication is a spiritual concept the brain have no capability to produce insight nor speech.It was design for a physical purpose to regulate the cells atoms and ,elements of the flesh.SCIENTIST did not and do not understand SPIRITUALITY so they put everything in one basket,and left half the tale untold.I am just here to tell the tale that should have been told long ago.

              1. getitrite profile image80
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Jack could you stick to what I have requested of you, and stop creating strawmen?  Thanks



                Jack, you are gonna have to prove this TOO.



                Can you even validate that there is such a phenomenon as SPIRITUAL?



                Jack, please show irrefutible proof of this other source that you reference.  Thanks.



                Jack, where is your integrity?  The only proof that anyone needs is REAL proof.  Would you not agree?



                That is delusional...and has nothing at all to do with REAL proof.  Tell me why this fact eludes you...and try to be honest, Jack.



                Jack, you have provided neither FOREST nor TREES, so now what?



                For the deluded mind, personal experiences can be a dangerous thing...as the experience can become distorted.  Correct?



                Jack, did you even attend school as a youth?

                The Broca region of the human brain has functions linked to speech.  It is located in the Frontal Lobe.  See illustration.

                http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp302/drewtickle2008/brain.jpg



                Who would have thought that you could come along, and just erase years of painstaking scientific discoveries, just because you believe in an ancient psychotic book, about primitive nonsense? 

                Please explain how this could possibly NOT be delusional, and I will convert immediately.  Thanks

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Put a brain on the table...and ask it to say something.You might stand there and wait for it to talk back ,but not intelligent people.As i have said to you i don't have to prove it your way in order for me  and others to know.You are just one of those that will missed out.
                  My education is from above,yours is from beneath.You are showing me something that you yourself cannot explain.I know about 2 bodies,you only know about one.I know spirit and flesh.How can the brain produce intelligence,personality,and speech?Explain the process.

                  1. recommend1 profile image71
                    recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    The ideas you put into words have to be the most disturbed weird sh!t on hubpages, you should seriously go get medical help bro !

                  2. getitrite profile image80
                    getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Jack, you have not validated anything that I have asked you to, but still you persist in asserting your insane beliefs.

                    I have now grown tired of this childish stupidity.

                    These irrelevant, silly retorts show nothing but an extreme lack of EDUCATION.

                    The disregard for the intelligence of the other debaters, shows a lack of decency, respect, and maturity.

                    The inability to validate any of these propositions shows a complete lack of credibility, a complete disconnect from reality, and an irresistible propensity for shameless dishonesty.

                    I have had my fun with you, now I will take my leave.

                    Good-day, Apostle Jack

                    You have no credibility--NONE!

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                    Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    if you put a decapitated head on the table it won't talk either.  Such nonsense you spout

                2. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You are caught between a rock and a hard place.You have the picture,but cannot explain it.

              2. secularist10 profile image90
                secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                "A brain cannot speak so we are speaking from another source."

                Yes that source is called the voice box, mouth and tongue.

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  The voice box do not create words nor form ideas voice and sound is spiritual.The flesh itself is not speaking it is coming from the spiritual body.

                  1. secularist10 profile image90
                    secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Incorrect. The voice box, mouth and tongue do create words. That's why a person without them or with them injured cannot make words as easily, even if their brain is normal.

                    Sound is not spiritual, it is the physical movement of particles--whether through air, liquid or solid.

                    The mouth/ tongue/ voice box do not create ideas, ideas are created by electrical impulses in the brain.

          2. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            If you believe god is in everything and that communication and thoughts come from your god, then you MUST believe walls can talk. smile

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              SUPERNATURALLY...THEY CAN.Commonly it is imposable.There is no IF in what i say.I speak knowledge...and not theory and assumptions.

              1. recommend1 profile image71
                recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Go get help bro - get back on the meds man !

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You are too far back to catch up.I am afraid that the train will leave without you.Of course you was not on the list to go anyway,so you can stop wasting your breath.

                  1. heavenbound5511 profile image80
                    heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    1 John 3:10 --This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
                    1 John 4:7 -Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
                    1 John 4:16 -And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.

              2. Beelzedad profile image59
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                *backs away slowly trying not to make eye contact*

                Okee dokee. smile

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Its a long story.Eye contact would scare you,and up set your memory and cause you to see more than you see now.But change is not for everyone.You are lift out for a reason.You are an Atheist and none-believer.

                  1. Beelzedad profile image59
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Really? Seems it is you who is seeing more than there is now. I can only see the apple. lol

    7. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I am just a messenger.If one believe or disbelieve its their choice.After i deliver the message my duty is complete.It is then between you and whatever god you serve or don't serve.

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds exactly like Chicken Little.



        http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d148/lanzr390/744e9a94.jpg

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Somethings are many things to many people.

      2. heavenbound5511 profile image80
        heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Apostle Jack-
        You keep saying you are just a messenger. Here are some bible scriptures to to read & think about.

        Acts 10:36
        You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.

        Romans 10:17
        Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ

        2 Corinthians 5:19-
        that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

        Titus 1:9
        He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

        God bless you smile

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Very well said.I just speak His words and let the chips fall where they may.But i try to do it with grace...and His words to my spirit that is GIVEN THEREOF  ....is NONE NEGOTIABLE.

    8. ceciliabeltran profile image85
      ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Oh you mean the bigot anti-semite editor of  SKEPTIC . lol

      http://www.codoh.com/viewpoints/vprwshermer.html

      He has a point ya, if you're a bigot anti-semite.

      1. Apostle Jack profile image61
        Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Some people have to take the long way around in order to get to a short distance.Those are the ones that come in a day late and a dollar short.

        1. ceciliabeltran profile image85
          ceciliabeltranposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Wow, that's very profound for an insult! I mean way deep.

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            bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            you go girl! its not really Jack's fault you know. he is just a coward.

            1. earnestshub profile image86
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I feel pretty sure he's not Noel Coward. smile

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                bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                now thats funny!!!  you see Jack, we all love a good joke. don't you?

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                bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                now that's funny! you see Jack, we all like a good joke, don't you?

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                  bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  oh did i say that out loud? twice. man I really did didn't I. Jack is still a coward though!!!

                  1. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Keep verwy verwy quiet! I think I saw a wabbit! Very slow around here. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

                2. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't care for jokes.Natural humor is fine.That which is made up to be funny only makes one look ignorant .

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                    bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    you are saying that the humor that G-d gave us inside of free will is making us ignorant. Jack you need to stop all of this nonsense, and give yourself a break. dude life is not that serious.

      2. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, thanks for the link, but did you read it yourself, and did you also look into the website (Codoh) and the author himself, (Bradley Smith)?

        Here ya go:

        For many years, Smith has been at the center of the deniers' college outreach program. He first drew public attention when about 70 college newspapers published his Holocaust denial ads, which he still regularly sends to campus editors, in the early and mid-1990s. All of these ads are reprinted at the CODOH Web site.

        At first, Smith's ads featured long essays that outlined the deniers' position, such as Mark Weber's "The 'Jewish soap' myth." Smith's first widely published ad stated "the figure of 6 million Jewish deaths is an irresponsible exaggeration, and...no execution gas chambers existed in any camp in Europe which was under German control." This ad went on to note that the "purpose" of accounts of the Holocaust is "to drum up world sympathy and political and financial support for Jewish causes, especially for the formation of the State of Israel." Another early CODOH ad claimed "The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum displays no convincing proof whatsoever of homicidal gas chambers."


        http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/codoh.asp

        1. secularist10 profile image90
          secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, I don't know why Cecilia called Michael Shermer an anti-semite when, if anything, the Holocaust-denying and revisionist position of the author is more consistent with anti-semitism. Shermer was supporting the mainstream view of WWII.

          1. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I do know why. She never does her homework, never reads the links she provides or what others provide and often just makes stuff up as she goes along. Typical believer behavior. smile

            1. secularist10 profile image90
              secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Haha. It's like posting a critique of Adolf Hitler written by Person A and saying "Person A is a racist anti-semite!"

    9. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I thought Atheist got their from themselves,and not from books that brainwash them into believing what they present.Why can't you think for yourself?

      1. Beelzedad profile image59
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Do you not recall what you learned at college or university? Did you not recreate the very same experiments in those books to verify and confirm whether they worked or not? Did you not further your education by writing your own thesis, in other words, a creation that would require you think for yourself?

        smile

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Your original thought is from scientist,and not from yourself.

          1. Beelzedad profile image59
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            We are one and the same. smile

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            bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            dude, an original thought comes from inside your own mind. it's that part of you that you fight against every moment. are you for real or what ? Jack, you need to study something other than your own writings.

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I don't contend.....I just deliver.Other writings don't have the answers.I write from experience and the gifts of His spirit that I was born with.It defy scientific and technical knowledge .My knowledge is from above,yours is from beneath.You world don't have enough knowledge of our spiritual existence for me to refer to. Confidence,.....is my sword.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                That's funny! This post would indicate that megalomania was your sword.

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                bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Jack, what is it that you study? i have been alive for 53 years and never in all that time has anybody either come back from the dead or had any conversations with any of the gods. now this might surprise you. YOU are not GOD. you might want to be but sorry you are not! anything else is a little bit to far. you expose your lack of faith and dig yourself into the pit with all this trash. once again Jack. Waco burned down a while ago!!!

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  People have focus on the false so much that they have overlook the fact that true ones still exist.

              3. getitrite profile image80
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                It also defies sanity.

                You should have used "defies" instead of defy.
                Singular subject=Singular verb.

                Use correct subject-verb agreement.  YOU ARE ON A WRITING SITE!

                You would think that all this superior spiritual knowledge, coming from none other than the most intelligent entity in the Universe would have prepared you better than this?  Instead, He put you in front of the world to be made to look like a bumpkin.



                Apparently knowledge from above neglects to teach its pupils basic writing skills.  You should probably switch to the school beneath, as I have noticed these posters that you accuse of this are much more worldly, educated, articulate, and intelligent than you are.

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Either way you got the message,....whether it came riding or walking.

  2. recommend1 profile image71
    recommend1posted 5 years ago

    I haven't read it but I am collecting examples of this just for my writing about China.  Almost every foreigner I meet has a 'pet' complaint that they are certain about as if they have learned it with some kind of moment of enlightenment.  The latest, yesterday, was an older American guy who is convinced that the air pollution in China is because 'they' build too high and all those tall buildings prevent the wind from blowing.

    This guy is a normal intelligent human being but he is adamant about this and will not be argued with.

  3. dutchman1951 profile image62
    dutchman1951posted 5 years ago

    I can  only imagine Bailey, I think I have  finaly came to a conclusion, that if I really wanted to always feel that Guilty, I would have lived with my mother!!!!!!

    No Thank you

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      Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      no way I could live with my mother again!

  4. recommend1 profile image71
    recommend1posted 5 years ago

    Maybe HP should require a certificate of mental health before allowing people to publish their delusions, instead of witch-hunting people with sane stuff who don't write so well.

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, a very sick puppy this one. smile

      1. Apostle Jack profile image61
        Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        As long as you cannot prove that,it is not a bother.

  5. cheaptrick profile image64
    cheaptrickposted 5 years ago

    Come on Y'all...your being a little hard on this guy dont ya think?I mean,he said in his first post that he has TWO bodies=TWO minds=Schizophrenia!Have some compassion and give a few pennies to the mental health people that are required to sit for hours with this type.No wonder the suicide rate is so high for shrinks.

    1. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I am glad you told me about yourself,but don't try to pass it off on someone  else.That is really a cheap trick.

      1. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL.....to....INFINITY!!!!!!!!!!!
        OK Y'all!!.....Jack is stuck on the Roof of Delusion!!
        ANYBODY WANT TO HELP
        [[[JACK OFF]]]!!!!!!!!!!!

        1. earnestshub profile image86
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I tried not to laugh, honest I did. lol lol lol

          1. dutchman1951 profile image62
            dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hey Earnest
            Just had a wounderfull experience that really has restored my faith in youth. Was Invited to the Nashville Symphony tonight and they featured a Group of Kids from different schools to chair with them and play.

            WHAT A FANTASTIC PERFORMANCE, I mean brite, articulate, talented, advanced kids. amazing.  I wish I had taped it, to put on the net.

            1. earnestshub profile image86
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Lets hope someone else got a tape, Kids are great, especially the kids that are involved in such activities.

              Cool it bolstered your spirits! smile

          2. dutchman1951 profile image62
            dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol....I did laugh

        2. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Its one thing you don't have to worry about the egg...it shall crack by itself.

        3. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          When you find out what a mess you have gotten yourself into it shall be an awakening .

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            bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            are u gonna say something or what?

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I think I,ll just throw it up in the air and see who catches what.

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                bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                jack,

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  What is your question?

                2. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't have to walk the same road as you do in order to get to the same destination.

        4. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If you haven't taken your pills.....now would be a great time. cheaptrick

  6. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    A machine predestines the future don't it?

    1. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      EFFECTS of occurrences pre-determine future events that have already been decided.

      1. heavenbound5511 profile image80
        heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        This page explains well what  Predestination means

        http://grovergunn.net/andrew/os2.htm

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    bri36posted 5 years ago

    look Jack, us pitiful nonbelievers are to "far back" to get a decent grip on your rocketship. it would be better if you wrote down some of your Manafesto, and publish a couple so that we all can "learn the big words" of your path into the Light. until then i think yelling at the word of G-d is a little bit to "far ahead" for me thank you

    1. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't believe in Big words nor high class behavior nor making myself look better than everyone else.The world have focus on false prophets and false teachers,and false messengers that they have been overtaken by the thought that everyone is false.The ones that seek it shall know it first.

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        bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        well if you don't believe, then why are you trying to convince us that you know the way?
        2 if you call your behavior "high class" i'll sit in the fire!
        3 someone who truly "KNOWS" doesn't spew crap like this, they lead by example.
        4 you my intrepid friend are just like all the rest of the fools who think they KNOW only to find out that satan really is you...

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          bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          stop trying to prove that you KNOW and just be what you are! if this is to much to understand, then quit listening to your own words and take some of the medicine the doctor gave you. its people like you that make it hard for the ones that do KNOW. we are the light, the love, and the all of life. YOU are a waste of time. Jim Jones died a long time ago. Waco burned down. give it a rest!!!!

        2. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If a wise man contend with a fool,they will both be fools.

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Way to go grasshopper! That sorta makes it clear then! We are all fools. smile

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I don't contend......I just deliver. But you say that you are a fool,but you don't have to be if you stop saying and doing foolish things.

              1. earnestshub profile image86
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                And I guess you could stop being a fool and engaging in this discussion with all the fools. smile

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You miss the point as usual.I don't contend.........i just deliver.

                  1. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You should read your own post! lol

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            bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            you haven't delivered anything but hate and bullshit here! if you call this      contending then all who follow you will not like where they end up. stop trying to force your beliefs on to something that has been ongoing for ever. G-d is all and all is G-d. where is your humanity? your love for fellow man? do you only pick and chose who it is that you look better than? when are you going to see that this is not the way to teach what is real and what is lost. you are truly the fool, when you speak the same hate you say you are fighting against!!!  come now, Jack

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              bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              now here's something to think about, where in all of this did anybody say you or i was a fool? when you let your self get angry at nothing, you are less than your enemy. when you speak from the all of life, your enemies flee before you. Jack you are your own worst enemy when you try to force what you believe G-d is. G-d is ALL

              1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I speak positive and with CONFIDENCE and not IF'S...theories,maybes,and i think so.So my words don't include a "sugar coating" to most it is a welcome change of stability......to others change is offensive.

            2. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              To you my knowledge is one thing,to others it is a well of water.I speak against the world of corruption,self-righteousness,paganism,falsehood,those that hold their heads up a little too high....and those that speak against God.That is why hate is the first thought of the masses.....because they love darkness more than the light.

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            bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            if a wise man contends with a fool? are you saying you are a fool? Jack give it a rest. The delivery is lost on foolishness. before you start thinking up a snappy answer, why do you hide your face? do you always talk like this to everybody? or do you just save it up for fun? do you really know? are you a follower of christ? or just hiding behind him? what is it that you really do believe in? or is that something that us poor fools wouldn't understand? let us know Jack, truly you wouldn't keep the truth from us, would you?

            1. Apostle Jack profile image61
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              It is very clear that you don't have the capacity to understand what i told you when i said... "I deliver"...I do not contend.I speak his words and let the chips fall where they may.Seem to be that some of those chips fell on you.
              I don't have to contend....my knowledge is none negotiable.It cannot be voted on nor compromise.They are messages.There are many foolish people in the world that contend with the foolish,i just bring the water it is your choice whether you drink or not.

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                bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                you speak against a lot of things Jack, when are you going to speak about some of the good things? or do i not understand that either? dude you are full of something and i don't want to know what it is.

                1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I was given much knowledge to bring forth.It is all coming out in the wash.

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                    bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    take some of that soap and wash out your mind. how do you reconcile the fact that you "SPEAK" for G-D. when the rest of us are supposed to listen to him. dude i think that is just a little bit satanic in it's make up. stop jack you have made your point. i give up, you win, i will no longer ever try to show you just how wrong all of this is! may GOD have mercy on your soul

  8. secularist10 profile image90
    secularist10posted 5 years ago

    I plan on attending a talk by Michael Shermer on this book in a few days. Maybe I'll write a hub about it.

    He is one of my favorite thinkers nowadays.

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    Muldanianmanposted 5 years ago

    No evidence will ever be strong enough to convince the believing brain.  It will be dismissed as the invention of the devil, as is the case with the physical evidence for evolution.  If people want to believe in absurd ideas, it really is useless to try and convince them that they are wrong.  And the believer is a very determined creature, and has ways of winning any debate, by simply shouting the loudest and terrorising those who do not share their beliiefs.  So, whilst their ideas may seem primitive to the rationalist, I really do believe that at the current moment in history, their views are winning.

    1. lizzieBoo profile image79
      lizzieBooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I really don't think you can use a term so broad as 'believers' and make a statement summing them all up. There are stadium-filling preachers that hold crowds in raptures, or dead-eyed suicide bombers who swear violence and death to the infidel, then there are monks who say nothing at all and spend a life in prayer and self-denial. Those are just a few stereotypes. Most 'believers' I know live by their creed but rarely mention it.
      It's good to spend an evening with wine and cigarettes discussing faith or science and all the rest. It's part of life and culture and has been for thousands of years.
      Work time is for facts and figures. Leisure time is for contemplation of the unknown.
      God Bless leisure time.

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        Muldanianmanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, but the question is about the believing brain.  The way that believers practise their faith varies dramatically.  Yes, there is the fundamentalist terrorist at the one extreme, or the peaceful monk or nun, who spend their lives serving their fellow man at the other.  But still, some of their beliefs have by nature to be at odds with scientific facts.  The peaceful nun, whilst being filled with love for mankind, will still more than likely share beliefs with those of a more fundamentalist nature.  For instance, that the universe was created in six days, that there really was a worldwide flood, that the bread and wine of the Eucharist really does change physically into the body and blood of Christ and that non-believers will end up in hell.  All of these beliefs necessarily go against scientific wisdom.

        I agree that not all believers are fundamentalist, but in order to believe something in spite of the evidence, they must at least share an ability to ignore anything, which shows their beliefs to be false.  Even for all those who live peacefully by their creed, without ever mentioning it, believe in an ideology based upon ancient ideas which have been largely disproven by science and archaeology. 

        I once had a work colleague, who attended a convent school, where she had her left wrist beaten every day by the Sisters of Mercy, because she was left-handed, which they said meant that she was possessed by the devil.  This was only 20 years ago.  This belief was not based upon logic or scientific evidence, but on centuries of religious teachings.

        1. lizzieBoo profile image79
          lizzieBooposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Muldanianman.
          But there are a number of other points to consider. Firstly, science as wisdom is still theory. Faith may go against scientific theory but not necessarily against scientific wisdom. It is easy to discredit the claim that the world was created in so many days for example, or a statue crying real tears, but a good scientist knows not to discredit something that manifests itself in the human mind, generation after generation, spontaneously, regardless of it being unprovable. A scientist may observe that belief is very often a matter of nurture, and therefore to be explained away,  but when belief appears naturally, as it also has the tendency to do, it has scientific viability and can be treated accordingly.
          On your point about all belief ultimately stemming from a skewed logic, I would say that this is the world we live in. There are logical people, illogical people, rational and irrational. There are scientific minds in religions who conclude that the creation story is an allegory, but that Jesus' story was fact. There are people who think that vegetables have feelings. All religions must watch out for people with illogical minds because they get the emphasis wrong, (as in the crazy violent nuns you hear so much about.)
          In general the simple-minded folk are the innocent ones however, who need protecting and properly educating. They don't tend to be the ones who are designing WOMD since they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery, let alone try for world domination. Time and time again it is the bright sparks who get up to no good. The highly educated ones who turn God on his head to suit their purpose.
          I hate religious ignorance as much as you do, but aren't we really just talking about ignorance generally?

  10. qwark profile image61
    qwarkposted 5 years ago

    My "Believing brain" thinks that...

    Folks keep using the word "spirit" to describe sumthin' other than what I view it as being.

    Spirit to me has to do with an intoxicating liquid, being highly spirited, team spirit. a spirit of joy, on and on.

    I'm gonna take the role of "Beelz" and play the "devils advocate."  smile:

    The religious speak of spirit like it is a transcendental something that escapes the body at death and may join a supernatural divinity.

    Isn't that just wishful thinking? An illogical hope? An unreasoned belief which has no basis in reality? A metaphysical postulate?

    Soul, this god thing, spirit, all seem to me, to fit into a classification of thought and belief that only the fearfully superstitious, the intellectually bereft, the easily fooled and led and the frustrated lesser evolved, embrace.

    ...just "letting my fingers do the walking." smile:

    Could I be wrong?  smile:

    Qwark

  11. qwark profile image61
    qwarkposted 5 years ago

    ...a believer in WHAT?...y'all....

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      C'mon Qwark! Dont make me lay it all out for you again!!!!!!!!!!

      In the beginning, god made himself, then he... you should remember the rest. lol

      1. qwark profile image61
        qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Dang you Earn! There you go ruining all my plans!
        yer a derned "Aussie" ball buster!   lol
        Qwark

        1. earnestshub profile image86
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Now now don't get abusive!

          I'm only trying to steer you on the path of righteousness... smile

          Don't be too hard on me, I'm hangin upside down on the planet already ya know, and have too much blood in my brain as it is! smile

          I thought I explained all this to you in my hub about how to become a millionaire overnight on hubpages for the measly sum of fourteen chickens!

          1. qwark profile image61
            qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            wait a minute! I'm on the other side of the planet hangin' upside down too! hmm: oh...and by the way, I gotta bone to pick with ya on that 14 chicken overnight millionaire thing!
            I invested 14 of my best laying hens and now the damned horny rooster is STALKING ME! WTF!  lol

            Qwark

            1. earnestshub profile image86
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Serves ya right for buying Foghorn Leghorn! lol

              1. qwark profile image61
                qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                lol Jesus! You got the CIA workin' for ya? How the hell did'ja know I hired him?
                I know he's got a helluva groupie fan club, but......Australia?
                The danged world is shrinkin' to fast fer me!  hmm:   lol
                It's past the "witchin" hour. I gotta get my beauty sleep.
                I'll ketchup (heehee) with ya tomorrow. g'nite ya Aussie ballbuster smile:   zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

                Qwark

                1. earnestshub profile image86
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I keep handin em to ya boy an ya just keeps dropin em.... lookit me when hum atalkin to ya boy!
                  That boy needs a few more letters in his alphabet soup!

                  Sound like him?

                  Good night good qwark! smile

                  1. qwark profile image61
                    qwarkposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Yup! Ya talk just like my damned horny rooster...lol lol

                    Imitation is the highest form of compliment!

                    If I tell 'im tho, his head'll swell so big he won't get out the chicken coop door!

                    This'll just stay 'tween you and me...wink wink smile:

                    I hope my 24 chicken investment pays off! If it don't Earn, stick with yer auto hubs ok?  lol

                    Qwark

        2. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Your plans have a lot of holes in it,and is not good for circulation.

      2. Apostle Jack profile image61
        Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        How easy it is to be brainwash by personal opinions and books of the world.

    2. Apostle Jack profile image61
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What do your believing brain say about SPIRITUAL INTELLIGENCE?
      The brain cannot produce it.So science equations concerning of action and reactions of the body is misinterpretated.

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        bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        dude, you are really making a fool out of yourself here. it's real simple Jack, just fill up a glass with water and count out 2 pills. then eat some food. in the morning you will feel better. I promise

        1. Apostle Jack profile image61
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If you had a little bit of knowledge i might be concern with what you say,but you have a child' s intellect so Pity would be the focus on your itty-bitty brain.

  12. qwark profile image61
    qwarkposted 5 years ago

    I'm curious. WHY...DOES ANYONE RESPOND TO "JACK?"

    He uses the words "knowledge" when speaking of his religious beliefs.

    Knowledge when referring to religon is an oxymoron which only a moron wouldn't understand.

    No intent to demean of insult. I'm just asking a question. smile:

    Qwark

  13. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    Jack's had all this attention, and hasn't had to come up with a single thought or idea himself.

    Jack is a legend in his own mind, above all the crook christians, the ailing atheists lurking on his otherwise nice clean thread. lol

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      bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      he really didn't say much either...
      makes me wonder if all the believers back at the ranch are on break? since he has spent so much time trying to learn how to spell. they are out of work now...

      1. Apostle Jack profile image61
        Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        If you don't know the answer just say so,.....and stop making excuses.That is a sure sign of WEAK INTELLECT. the FIRST THOUGHT of a guilty person is to fine someone to blame. I would rather be a dummy than a mummy.A dummy to certain knowledge can always learn...a mummy is not real and without hope.I would rather be all the way real,than all the way fake.

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          bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          first of all, you have not even come close to exposing any weakness in my intellect.
          2 it seems to me that YOU are doing a lot of assuming and guessing as to what we are saying
          3 this is a sign of a weak mind. and we all know what happens to weak minded people they end up either crazy or lost in the mist of drugs!!

          1. Apostle Jack profile image61
            Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            We both shall see which is which.Knowledge shall speak for itself.

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              bri36posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              all i want to know is this, why do you hide your face?

              1. Apostle Jack profile image61
                Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                It is in 3D ,i painted it myself.That is the way  it is suppose to look.Knowledge is before you now....are you switching subjects,or just running when there is nothing behind you.

  14. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    You got that right Jack.

    In fact I'd say the dirty laundry has been washed then hung out to dry. lol

  15. qwark profile image61
    qwarkposted 5 years ago

    I just dumped this thread!!!
    No Mas!
    Qwark

 
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