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First Principal?

  1. wilmiers77 profile image59
    wilmiers77posted 5 years ago

    As knowledge accelerates over the past 100 years, the schools of thoughts are beginning to unify. The theory of everything is the unification of all physics prescriptions, and a continual investigation into our fundamental conventional defines in physics such as matter and energy. Where did matter come from? Was it first energy and became a bundle or condensed energy? Do we need to redefine energy.

    Works to unify metaphysics and religion is underway. Philosophy of physics and about everything else is progressing. The theory of everything in physics may actually need components from other schools of thought? We may arrive at knowing the after thoughts of our Creator(s). I personally call Him God. Quantum Mechanics states that we can not observe reality, but is the mind in its superstate measure reality? This would lead to the need for faith in God or knowing the after thoughts of God.

    But, a warning; the bible says that when knowledge rapidly increasing than the end is near.

    1. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      with everything advancing, whay the need for fear tacticts; "The End is Near!"

      Looks Like Biblical Knowledge is droping back on fear,  is not keeping up with the advancements you speak of. If they are indeed advances at all?

      How can we know the Mind of a God? Any God?  The thoughts, much less the after thoughts?  We can not identify That God, see or touch or associate with..

      It will always be by Faith for a Beliver, because metaphysics aside?  There is no physical proof?  smile

      1. wilmiers77 profile image59
        wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        why warning? Why should I not warn? Holding onto untruths or thinking that many things are absolutes is false security. Reason to believe.

        After thoughts of God? Ask Einstein; he first said it? All truth is an after thought of God or did you and your friends create things? If so, excuse me.

      2. heavenbound5511 profile image81
        heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Those without Jesus are the only ones that  would have cause to fear.

        If we do not warn you/others than when you die in your sin your blood will be on our hands .Now if any listen to this message of Jesus Christ and accept Him and turn from there sin in repentance- that one will be delivered from destruction ( Ezekiel 3).
        God is going to rid this world of sin and whoever wants to cling to sin as if it's there life-preserver will be condemned. Those who reject Jesus are already condemned by there own words-but as long as their breathing they have a chance to repent and take Jesus as there perfect sacrifice for the sins they have committed against God.

        But if they had stood in my council, they would have proclaimed my words to my people and would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds.- Jer 23:22

        Dutchman you said-
        "How can we know the Mind of a God? Any God?  The thoughts, much less the after thoughts?  We can not identify That God, see or touch or associate with.."

        "It will always be by Faith for a Beliver, because metaphysics aside?  There is no physical proof?"

        We can know the mind of God through Jesus Christ.

        For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.- 1 Cor 2:16

        I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.-John 15:15

        To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,- 1 Cor 12:8

        Epaphras sends greetings. He is one of you. He serves Christ Jesus. He is always praying hard for you. He prays that you will stand firm in holding to all that God has in mind for us. He prays that you will continue to grow in your knowledge of what God wants you to do. He also prays that you will be completely sure about it.-Col 4:12 NIRV

        1. heavenbound5511 profile image81
          heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Also:
          John 8:55- Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.
          John 14:7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
          John 14:9 -Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
          John 15:21 -They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.
          John 16:3 -They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.

    2. recommend1 profile image71
      recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This is right - it is the end of the bible thinking that is ending, the unsubstantiated representations of the unknown for use a tool of power has had its day.  The end of religion is at hand.

      1. wilmiers77 profile image59
        wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You are riding a dead horse. Heaven is at hand.

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          At least he isn't beating it. smile

        2. recommend1 profile image71
          recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No - that would be a donkey, you are finished here I think.

    3. DoubleScorpion profile image87
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this



      I agree...The more knowledge gained...the closer to the end of religion.

      1. wilmiers77 profile image59
        wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It can just as easily be the more knowledge gained...the more religion as in faith is verified.

        If love for the humanity is in your heart, than faith is verified.
        If love only for self and small group, than closer to the end of religion.
        It all depends on  the capacity of love in one's heart.

        1. Beelzedad profile image59
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Or, more precisely, the capacity to respect others, or lack thereof. smile

          1. wilmiers77 profile image59
            wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Now I discover that you don't know much about love.

            1. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Christian love? lol

            2. Beelzedad profile image59
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Actually, it appears that you don't know much about love. It is something that is not just tossed around to every Tom, Dick and Harry that crosses your path. It is reserved for those in which you really care about, not total strangers. Because, if you love everyone, then you love no one.

              The correct word is respect, not love. smile

              1. wilmiers77 profile image59
                wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Have you heard of love for one's family. Jesus loved the humanity; His family.

                1. wilmiers77 profile image59
                  wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Respect doesn't equal love, and it could include hate.

                2. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That's a good one, wilmiers. Well said.

              2. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Why not? And, says who? hmm

                Is that YOUR definition of Love?
                B.S. To withhold from the strangers is selfish.
                This would be incorrect, especially if one loves self.
                If YOU Love someone, then they have your respect. Or did you not know Love comes first before respect. You must love yourself, before you can love others. If you have no love for yourself, then you obviously don't respect yourself, then you obviously don't respect others.

                I think you need see past your ego. It's not about you. wink

                1. Beelzedad profile image59
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Does it look like a definition?



                  Really? Do you walk around the streets telling complete strangers you love them or do you offer love to only those you actually know?



                  Huh?



                  Where do you get that notion? Are you saying I have to love someone before I respect them? lol



                  No, I don't love myself. That's rather hilarious.



                  roll Yeah, sure.

                  1. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    According to what you said.
                    My love is offered to every person I come in contact with. My actions show it. It's people's perception and ego, like you, that don't pay close enough attention, because they(you) think you have it figured out, but are missing something.
                    I didn't think you were capable of understanding. Your statement proved you don't. Your follow up statement shows it.

                    No, I said you have love yourself, before you can learn respect for others. Figured you wouldn't understand.

                    Good to know. It only proves you lack understanding of your own life. Nothing more, nothing less.

        2. DoubleScorpion profile image87
          DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Faith cannot be verified. Only strenthened.

          From Dictionary.com

          faith   
          [feyth]

          –noun
          1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
          2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
          3. belief in god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.

          Look closely at Number Two...

          ver·i·fy   
          [ver-uh-fahy]

          –verb (used with object), -fied, -fy·ing. 
          1. to prove the truth of, as by evidence or testimony; confirm; substantiate: Events verified his prediction.
          2. to ascertain the truth or correctness of, as by examination, research, or comparison: to verify a spelling.
          3. to act as ultimate proof or evidence of; serve to confirm.


          Please explain how Faith can be verified? From the definitions above it doesn't seem possible.


          If knowledge can lead to an increase in religious faith, how come so many refuse to read anything other than the bible to gain knowledge.

          Love of all...No matter what...Religion doesn't not love all. they love themselves and their small groups. If they loved all there wouldn't be churches taking money for a end of world scenario, churches picketing funerals of fallen soldiers, churches protecting molesters of children.

          True love comes from doing those things which are right for others, in spite of the pesonal outcome. Things that is hurtful to others, physically or mentally is not showing love. And that isn't restricted to just those of religion or no religion

          1. wilmiers77 profile image59
            wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for. Love your enemy as yourself. I think most all is in the medium. The one's that have repented and love Jesus at the center of their life and in their heart receive confirmation from God. By your comments you fall short.

            How are Christians hurting people and nonbelievers are not? By my knowledge, the secularist's sins far out number the sin acts of the coreligionist. It's obvious to me that the nonbelievers are standing in a cesspool up to their necks while pointing at a few spots of crap on the coreligionist and if they could continually get away with it even blame the ones that teach against evil as the root of evil.

            "It's a fool that say there is no God." "They that reject Jesus and His love sleep with antichrist, the devil."

            1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
              DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Straight to the personal attacks... Alot of love there. You are making assumption on me based off of a comment. Just as I stated and you have proved the point I was making. Just because I offered a different point of view to the Subject at hand. I am a sinner or not a "true christian" Try reading the last line of my comment...

              "And that isn't restricted to just those of religion or no religion"

              There is trouble on both sides...But of course judging solely on your postings that I assume is your "faith and bliefs" you might
              have trouble seeing things from both sides.

              1. wilmiers77 profile image59
                wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                DoubleScorpion, you spoke to an opposing view, I merely replied. That doesn't speak to whether I love you or not, only your comments. If I spoke to your side, it would be worst from my personal experiences. When I was young, I held the same views as you spoke of.  Don't expect me to glorify your views also that are anti-Christian! That would not be good for me nor you.

                1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
                  DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't expect anything glorified...I expect that the same respect I give others to be returned to me. And if debating a topic, personal feelings left at the door and the topic discussed "pro or con versions" in an educated and civil manner

          2. wilmiers77 profile image59
            wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            In the end, faith shall be verified.

            1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
              DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You are correct. In the end "faith" will be verified, then it will become fact and no longer faith.

              But what if your faith is validated as being false instead of confirmed truth? What do you do then?

              What if when your time comes, everything you thought was truth was in fact completely wrong? Would you regret not have living your life differently? And with all your "faith" are you using it to live life to its fullness, or are you just saying the words and claiming the faith, but in all honesty have no idea what it is you truly have faith in. Are you completely sure that you have understood things correctly and are living your life as is required by the faith you claim to possess?

              I am not picking on you, please don't think that. I am simply asking questions to see where you stand on the topic at hand or what differing views you have on the opic at hand.

              1. wilmiers77 profile image59
                wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                DoubleScorpion,  in a dynamic sense my faith is continuously being verified to me. Not a fact yet, but boy things are looking better and better as I travel on the road of faith in Jesus.

                What person have you known that would die for you? Jesus is the only one simply because he wanted to restore your relationship with God. This is so profound until one becomes suspicious of others that reject Jesus' love. This is a you do or you don't accept and love Jesus. It's that profound and encompassing. There is no neutral ground. No sitting on the fence! Paying respect doesn't get it. That's why I can't speak positively about your position that opposes Christ Jesus.

                1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
                  DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I am Military. Have been for almost 15 years. I've seen people die for our country and our way of life here in the USA on many occasions. That kind of love has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with Love of your way of life. The freedoms of your children and countrymen and women. And extending the same rights and freedoms you enjoy to those generations to follow.

                  Believing and Accepting Jesus is not enough. One must also strive daily to follow exactly in his foots steps...And there are many who don't even know what his footsteps or true teachings even are.

                  1. wilmiers77 profile image59
                    wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    DoubleScorpion, you are confusing duty with love. Jesus died out of love and desiring to restore your faith to God to receive God's Holy Spirit, The Comforter now.
                    Yes! You are getting the idea. We must transform always. Faith is dynamic also.
                    God loves everyone equally, even the murderous persons.

                  2. heavenbound5511 profile image81
                    heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Double Scorpion you said-
                    I am Military. Have been for almost 15 years. I've seen people die for our country and our way of life here in the USA on many occasions. That kind of love has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with Love of your way of life. The freedoms of your children and countrymen and women. And extending the same rights and freedoms you enjoy to those generations to follow.

                    First lets step out of religion into what we are really supposed to have a relationship with God through Jesus. This has the outcome of our faith/trust in God with results/fruits following.
                    The love Jesus showed and gave us by dying on the cross for us- is for our freedom- freedom from the results that sin would/will have in our lives, families and generations.
                    The results of sin are death and eternal separation from God. So Jesus our way to God is all about our freedom to choose God, Choose what is good, do what is right in the sight of God and either get our freedom or maintain. When sin comes in and we don't have Jesus than we lose more and more our freedoms.We lose Peace of mind, health, relationships, families and such are caused from sin and leads us into bondage. Jesus loves us and wants us to break free from the sin that is messing up the whole world. So your statement is false but - part true. Love has everything to do with God and nothing to do with religion- religion limits God and isn't a relationship where there's actual communication.
                    We are to fight the good fight of faith, not against flesh and blood but what is holding that flesh and blood in bondage. We fight all battles in the flesh or spiritual for our freedom and others- because we love to be free and freedom is in Jesus.

                    for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him.-Eph 1:10 WNT

    4. Shadesbreath profile image90
      Shadesbreathposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      We're not even remotely close to anything resembling a "theory of everything." It would be nice, but it's not happening very fast.

      As for matter and energy, that's a great question. Nobody knows. A lot of people call it the Big Bang. Great, where'd that come from? Who lit the match? Other people call that God. Great, where'd he come from? Etc.

      We're nowhere near figuring that out, finding "one answer." Even if we prove that the Big Bang is the right answer, and that it was the inversion of an old, collapsed universe reblossoming into a new dimension in some eternal cycle, that still doesn't answer who (if anyone) started it.

      So don't worry. Religion is not in any danger. It's just going to change, like it always does, like it always has. It usually changes "whenever knowledge [is] rapidly increasing."

      Religion holds societies together. Stable religions provide common rule sets, behavioral expectations, accountability (both real and super natural), and shared 'touchstone' of experience that binds a culture. Having that has proven in literally every single society ever studied anywhere, ever, to be fundamental. The religions that do it really well, enable stability, creativity, economic health and, from that "free time" at the bosom of which nurse the twins Science and Art.

      If the culture doesn't rupture, it finds its way to increasingly accelerated learning, at which point the religion always comes undone because the new learning inevitably unwinds too many myths, particularly for those people who aren't able to allow for allegory and metaphor. So, that religion dies (often violently as the fundamentalists make war).

      The cultural momentum will continue for a time, but eventually greed and the other human frailties work to unravel the civil side of civilization (often done by opportunists who manipulate the soft-minded and the desperate to believe they work for an outraged god). It's one of those things where the kids will do naughty things when the parents are away. When the culture's god/gods is/are gone, who's watching?

      From there two things will happen, a new religion will pop up that can survive the cult and sect phases of religious evolution and reinvigorate the culture with a new sense of purpose and shared value, or the culture will decay, break up into smaller parts, and have pieces gobbled up by healthier nations/tribes/empires etc.

      So, in a long, long nutshell, that's my response to your question. If you happen to read it, I hope it gives you something to chew on. smile

      1. wilmiers77 profile image59
        wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        First helpful response. Very nice...beyond my expectations in seek of other views.

        psycheskinner, please read above response by Shadesbreath. This is what I have been soliciting. Please don't attack if you don't understand Shadesbreath.

  2. Rochelle Frank profile image89
    Rochelle Frankposted 5 years ago

    My first principal was Mrs. Lucy Armstrong at Grover Cleveland Elementary School, where I gained a lot of early knowlege.

    Were you meaning principle?

    1. wilmiers77 profile image59
      wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No, I meant principal, a live entiy, not the codification thereof.

  3. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

    Even posting after a whole thread this for the second time you haven't learned how to spell principle?

    1. wilmiers77 profile image59
      wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      psycheskinner,  I remember you. You have the audacity to think that all subjects should be worded to your understanding and then attacks the writer. Well, the unthinkable happens from time to time. What conceit!

      Oh! you still have spelling over creative communication and things that you don't have the knowledge. I hope you learn not to attack anyone for expression thoughts that you don't understand. You should have learned this in  elementary.

  4. theirishobserver. profile image61
    theirishobserver.posted 5 years ago

    God is the man smile

    1. wilmiers77 profile image59
      wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Man is frail. All have sinned and fallen short of God. Some men are Godly men.

  5. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    I cannot for the life of me imagine how one would have a god, yet no religion?

    Believing in a god is what religion is isn't it? smile

    1. Rochelle Frank profile image89
      Rochelle Frankposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Can't you belong to God without belonging to a religion? smile
      Religions are organized by people.

 
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