why haven't you accepted Jesus and ask God to fill you with His spirit and find out for yourself that it is true?
Why haven't you decided to choose to believe and ask for His Holy Spirit in Jesus name and prove it to yourself?
This is the only way your doubt of God and Jesus will be proven wrong to you. The rest is throwing punches in the air and you won't have peace or know for sure anything in your life until you believe God and take Him at His word and believe those also testifying to you about Jesus.
Why haven't you opened your mind and outgrown living your life for a ridiculous myth?
A ridiculous myth?
God isn't a myth and has proven Himself faithful to me. God does what he says.
A ridiculous myth would give you no answers to prayers and wouldn't be faithful- but dead and silent.
My God lives and Jesus has risen from the dead- this fact in my life because I have walked it out and trusted God and He has never let me down.
So the other million prayers a day for the last 2,000 years didn't get any results I can see.
I guess he is too busy answering your prayers to bother helping his other "creations."
You don't find that psychologically disturbing? Well I certainly do.
The first casualty of indoctrination.
Everyone is free to come to God and receive Jesus and have there lives changed.
God is calling all to repentance and God answers many people's prayers.
This world will not be made right- sinless until the return of Jesus.
This statement alone shows you know nothing of the religion/god and/or Jesus to begin with. WOW!
Mankind can and does feed a lot of half the planet who are hungry or starving without having any individual power at all.
Your OMNI everything god apparently can't even save the starving of the world, because he is too busy fixing your haemorrhoids because you're special right?
A nasty little god, no morals.
and thats the problem ....you just can't see
the first stumblingblock to spirituality
why can't you just be quiet and try to satiate your hatred and feelings of failure in some other way.
Why must people like you continue to spout off like you have an insight into a god's will?
When the actual truth is that no one, even yourself cannot know or understand a god's will any more than the next deluded individual, who believe pink unicorns exist.
You need a crutch. Plenty of others don't.
I am sorry that you think God is so powerless and hasn't shared with us His will in Jesus Christ- when He has!
I don't think anything of the god you profess to exist. That's your problem, not mine. You're the one who needs the crutch, because obviously you cannot live on your own.
Plain, honest and as simple, and as real as it gets.
We wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for God- Yes I love to be in relationship with the creator of the world- the one who sustains us all- the one who is all powerful and loves me, you - & everyone else.
BS. Try proving that statement without any scripture for any book.
More BS you cannot prove without using the bible as a source. The bible isn't creditable.
Untrue. I breath and it has nothing to do with a god.
we wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for oxygen.... and millions and millions of things, but not if it wasn't for god...... animals lived before humans, ergo, before god, and they didn't seem to have any problem
Hey Agar, you don't know what is next....right?
Agarwaen- Now that sounds crazy.
God made the oxygen, animals, people everything- down to the details of our dna. This world didn't exist until God created it.
How come he made such a mess of the DNA then? Hardly omniscient of him was it?
a mess of dna?????
so much information in one small cellular strand
I don't think its a mess at all, its ingenious
For all mans technology and knowledge they will never catch up to God infinite wisdom.
oh i forget, you think the laryngeal vein on the giraffe is too long and unnecessary... scratch one God off the list
God didn't mess up our dna- sin did- that's how generational curses work is by/through sin. Those diseases, sinful lifestyles that run through families - is because they haven't accepted Jesus and/or do not know the power of God and haven't went to God for healing of the bloodline.
Free will to live in sin and die separated from God or --Free will to accept Jesus and be freed from the effects of sin.
Either way it is our choice
The idea that disabilities and congenital illnesses are righteous punishment from God makes me feel physically ill, and I feel it constitutes "hate speech" against the disabled and their families.
Would you like to explain how sin causes bad DNA?
It doesn't need to be a scientific explanation, just tell us how your DNA is so much better than others.
I take deep offense to statements like this one. It isn't the sin of people or that they don't have God in their lives that causes pain and suffering.
I'm sorry, but it is ignorance on this scale that causes me to look on Christianity with contempt. You need to stop evangelizing and go get an education. If there is a just God, he is as disgusted by this type of ignorance as I am. If he wasn't, he certainly would not be worthy of worship.
you sound like almost all born agains. your knowledge is based solely on what the bible states which even you should know has changed over the years. your god created the dinosaurs, wiped them out. created the next stage in evolution , wiped them out and now 3 times the charm, he created humans. i'm guessing were next on his chopping block.
Putrid regurge, with nothing but silly childish whim as the backdrop.
ANYONE believing themselves to be in a relationship with a fictitious entity should seek mental health services, IMMEDIATELY.
YES! Love like this?
...Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.'" (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)
...and from the Prince of Peace, Jesus:
Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household'". (Matthew 10:34-36 NAB)
when in recorded history has god helped us. show just one example that is provable. just one.
What god would you be talking about?
I need no proof that a god exist. I'm not gullible.
Actually, my doubt has been erased by research, knowledge and true understanding of what I learned. It's something called wisdom, which is what most believers lack.
Nice dishonest statement. I know that I have no need. I have found peace in my life without the interference of religion and it's followers. The only thing you're doing is throwing punches in the air and speaking of something you haven't clue about.
Is that enough truth for you?
1 Cor 1:20-
So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made them all look foolish and has shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense.
1 Corinthians 2:6-- We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
1 Corinthians 2:8 --None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1 Corinthians 3:18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise.
1 Corinthians 3:19-- For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness";
1 John 4:15-- If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.
did ya notice the ego on that
ascended up to heaven he has
i noticed that the bible is the only piece of so-called proof that god exists and that is what scares me. nothing else proves in anyway that a god exists and since the bible is written by men, well so good for that proof.
"This is the only way your doubt of God and Jesus will be proven wrong to you."
Wrong. I was born and raised Christian and was at one time convinced I was "filled with the spirit". It doesn't destroy any of your doubts unless you can delude yourself into believing there's something beyond the mental about it. Quite frankly there isn't anything magical that happens when you become a Christian or ask for the Holy Spirit, of course that doesn't stop you from having profound emotions about it and deluding yourself into believing superstitious nonsense.
God bless you.
Follow the word of God and have faith even in the storms and God answers period.
God is faithful- and His Holy Spirit is real & undeniable to those that have actually had it- or this is to be called blasphemy.
To witness the power of God and say it isn't true is how a person blasphemes the Holy Spirit- I can not say if you have or not- but if you had received His spirit by laying on of hands and or you praying and asking for it in Jesus name you woudn't be able to deny it or you'd be a strait up liar.
No one has the Holy Spirit, some may be lying, now I think most of them genuinely BELIEVE they have received, as I did for a short while, I could even speak in tongues. But none of that was supernatural, none of it was undeniable, I was self-deluded just as every single Christian who thinks they have the "Spirit".
Glossolalia (tongues) is a well known linguistic phenomenon occurring in multiple religions and of course any Christian who goes through an attempt to become spirit filled is gonna come out on the other end spirit filled just for fear of committing the unforgivable sin.
I HAVE accepted Jesus!
I have done this too.
Could you explain this to the non-believers on here? They just don't seem to think this is true. I guess they see faulty cause/effect or something.
And why would this not make ANY sense to the non-believers on here? Could you think of any reason why?
I accepted Jesus, and the minute they heard I was a psychic medium, they kicked me out. So much for their "we're all God's children" mantra.
That's not right that you were kicked out.
We are supposed to continue in His word and if we do that than we will be set free.
A lot of stuff I didn't know when I began seeking God and going to church and were never to be kicked out period or for the lack of understanding that comes from God.
Everyone has to have time to learn and God takes us through a process of purging- first comes excepting Jesus- than God as we continue to seek Him gives us a desire to obey His word.
They could of in love told you what God's word said or just shut up and prayed over you- for you total freedom- but kick you out- NO that's wrong.
Where I go we've had witches even come here and we didn't kick them out or anything crazy. We prayed for them and prayed for God's mercy and there repentance.
God bless you!
Let people think for themselves. It's wonderful that you found God but not everyone agrees when it comes to religion. Forcing your views on others is just going to turn people off.
Did I force you to come to this forum and read it?
Nice to see you fail to pay attention to your own actions.
better she say with kindness what will save many souls than to hear your rants in hate.
save us all your puny hate filled posts and get a life
I think, probably, the one major roadblock I would have to considering Christianity is examples like this thread. I cannot imagine a possibility of a God, allowing this much confusion in his name.
If the God you imagine existed, there would be no doubt of his existence left in anyone's mind. The fact that I doubt, is reason enough to know that you are wrong.
Not entirely sure I want some guy to fill me with his 'spirit'.
First, heavenbound, you should elaborate on the meaning of "accept Iesous [Jesus]". Second, how does that acceptance (by its general definition) play any part in being filled with the ruach of Creator. (note Cornelius and all his house plus the great cloud of witnesses in Torah). This also needs clarifying.
This panteon (literally translated graveyard) beneath the feet of this idol -believing and non- is not clear on either side. It is highly idolatrous, resulting in surface belief and equally --and directly resulting in-- surface unbelief.
It is normal for people to 'through punches' or as the saying goes 'strain a gnats' because they are genuinely frustrated with the lack of evidence of those unseen things.
The testimony you are to present is not of a doctrine about a man, but a proof of the same ruach that man has. His testimony is his own and as I have told many a believer and unbeliever, you cannot steal another mans testimony, nor dismiss it because you 'think or feel' it is a fair thing to do or assume. Testifying of the 'Good News' has been done all over the world, not any place is void of that knowledge -even the remote jungles of S.A or the highest peak, Sagarmatha.
This means something is not happening that should regarding that 'testimony' and that 'spirit'.
'cause I don't know who either of those guys is???
Qwark, your makin me tell the story to you again. Try to remember who everyone is OK?
In the beginning, god made himself, then became his own son and did himself in for you........ you ungrateful b*stard!
I'm gettin' old Earn...go easy on me ok?
Old timers disease ain't no fun...:
Sorry qwark, I just thought you should understand the logic in the "good book" clearly.
patience Earn, patience.
I've only been at this 40 yrs!
A very short time in geologic time.
It'll come! I have faith!
When it does, the "ILLUMINATI AND I WILL BE ONE!
I have "Google" on my desktop! I have one hand flatened against the monitor screen, the lights have been dimmed and am in deep meditation.
Patience my friend...it will come to me!
At the moment Qwark is indisposed...............
But what about me? I live among these geniuses and have to deal with them on a daily basis.
We're in the middle of a drought and everywhere you go people are wondering when god is gonna let it rain. You'd figure with so many "true Christians" living here it would be a snap to get a shower of rain occasionally.
You can't sling a possum without hittin' a baptist in the head around here!
I wish I knew who prayed for rain in Melbourne, I have a flood bill for him.
We don't need rain and got flooded you do need rain and got none.
There is something almost religious about that!
I'll be glad to send you a boatload of Baptists and some snake handlin' Church of God people to even out the climate a little, Earnest.
I'll even throw in some rattlers free of charge.
All I ask in return is a couple of pretty young sheilas!
...it is serious!!!
Open Google...put your hand on the screen............
I'll meditate for you!!!
I know it is serious, Qwark!
It's just difficult to make myself have faith in a god that would knock up a 13 year old virgin already engaged to another man. Not to mention the delusional folks he chooses to represent him.
This one will drive away anyone remotely interested in following her god. Who wants to be like her? I sure hope her god forgives her for causing so much harm!
Amen and amen brother!
Take yer hand off the "desktop!"
You are cured!
(now fall over backward and lay on the floor squriming to let all know the power of MY MEDITATION!)
why is it that you can convince yourself there is a god but you can't live your life by believing in yourself. why can't you accept that god is a myth that is used to control many and for others it's just a comfort thing? why?
Why have you not accepted a life that does not mean selling your soul to a man-made belief. there are many different philosophies around the Globe that have nothing to do with Jesus. The bible was originally a collection of exaggerated stories by people from Europe and the Baltic regions who had encountered one of their own (Jesus or 'of the Sun God' in its original Egyptian manifestation) whose sophisticated Egypt/Ethiopian beliefs/teachings would have appeared almost magical. Other similar preachers were wowing the ignorant and uninitiated during the same period.
The expansion of the Roman Empire into North Africa dispersed these stories to places they would previously never have reached. Constantine set up the Nicean council to create an official interpretation with which he could indoctrinate his subjects and effectively embedded the story into the very essence of an embryonic Western civilisation. The fable has become increasingly fabricated and contrived ever since as a tool for mass social control.
Like knowing the World is round and not flat, life has moved on for most people. Maybe it is time for you to do the same...?
Very clearly said Jefsaid. And historically accurate.
There were lots of jesus types before jesus, and all the stories are old and only a fraction of the scriptures are included, then even those were re-written to suite an agenda.
Thanks earnestshub. Religion was fairly quickly recognised as the most powerful psychological control mechanism and certainly still has that drug-like effect on many people, particularly those with fundamentalist beliefs. I am fascinated why people who might ridicule the notion of children's fairy tales being true stories yet commit themselves so unquestioningly to an even bigger contradiction-filled fantasy?
The fairy tales the bible tells are mostly written by a lunatic.
I have made the point about the psychotic passages that fill the good book on another thread.
I can't understand how a religionist could read a passage that is psychotic, then attribute it to a god.
How in hell could a god be a petty jealous hate filled psychopath?
i can't accept something on which i don't believe in... that's mostly the reason
But what if all the promises of God are true. I say they are and I have had proof of this in my life- there's no maybe with me-just trying to get you thinking on this.
What if Jesus can heal you from the effects of sin in your life?
The power of God is real- wouldn't/don't you want to step out and just choose to believe to make sure you're not missing out on God's good plan for your life?
God has done so many things for me and it all started with Jesus.
We can know him simply by choosing to believe against all odds and the lies in the world, Rom 10:9-10.
But the promises are not true - I say they are false and I have had proof of this in my life. And as my life has been longer than yours I can claim superiority in this argument, therefore you should stop following false promises and face up to real liefe where yoaur life, your moral values, your understanding of good and bad are YOUR responsibility.
Just because you say you have lived longer means nothing.
I have seeked God and got the results and proof in my life.
I have the truth and God is faithful and God only responds to those that really believe Him- not just dabble in His truths.If we humble ourselves before God we can know him and bear the proof in our lives.
Since God had proven himself faithful why in the world would I leave Him?
Why would I ever open my mind to all things in this world? I would be sure to pick up a bunch of lies and deception.
God isn't a liar and I will not leave His safety and will for anyone or thing.
Thanks and God bless you Recommend1!
Never have i heard of one persons experience speaking for all.
christianity doesn't push aside responsibility for good and bad they aim to go beyond the basic human understanding.
so how is the 3 self church doing these days?
only the ones who believe in sin can sin... therefore, i have no sin to repent of. on the other hand, you, who believe in sin, are a sinner. plus, you are a sinner from the time when you were born and, more important, if i believed in god, my niece's would be sinners, those two gorgeous things would have something wrong with them..... and i can't accept that belief
There is right from wrong and we all have fallen short.
I didn't learn that I am supposed to think/ view everyone as sinners- even though we all have sinned and done wrong.
Children viewed as sinners... Hmmm.. there is such a thing as the age of accountability and God isn't holding children accountable for there sins- Yet it is left up to the parents to show them the love of God and train them up in the truth.
The point is we are supposed to love God and honor Him and when we do mess up we are covered by Jesus- our sins our covered by Jesus.
We don't live a life without self control though.
God doesn't see our sins when we have Jesus.
We are never to think we are worthless or bad - We just strive to honor God and ask/let Him help us.
The love of God is what draws all people to Him not condemnation.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
You mean, YOU have fallen short. Don't speak for anyone else but yourself.
you got me there, i was thinking on catholics, which is what i know, and obviously it's not what you believe in... my apologies
But what about religious wars, the Christian crusades etc..? Are these not sins? It seems to me that the only sin in the name of the holy scriptures is non-belief?
Well no need to post your threads is there?
Your mind is a closed space by your own admission.
Closed to junk and lies and open to the true living God.
Odd isn't it
we have a closed space
and those that believe otherwise.... do not have a closed space????
the logic evades me.
I'm sure the muslim feels the same way you do. Why havent you accepted allah and asked him to fill you his spirit? I'll tell you why, it's based on the location of your birth. Do you really think if you had born in a muslim country you would be worshipping the god you chose to?
Very good site for Muslims and it explains everything well if you look through the sight.
It's in english and arabic and has People that understand the Muslim faith on there to help.
man, i love this answer, and i believe it to be true. everyone says what they believe is the truth, so who should i listen to? me, that's who. through reasoning and looking for the truth, you may come to what i believe in: it doesn't matter if god exists or not (i personally don't know/care). what matters is that you do things according to what you believe to be good. mainly don't kill and steal stuff, have utter respect for others, respect what you want, and stuff. i believe that it doesn't matter if you believe in god, what matters is what you do
Proverbs 16:25- There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
You were not created to end up separated from God- You were made to know God and succeed through this relationship that you can only have by accepting Jesus.
but, again, to what god? everyone says their god is the right one.... who do i listen?
There's still only one God-The God of Issac, Jacob and Abraham- We approach God by accepting Jesus as our Lord.
I have done a page on how God proved the Egyptians gods to be false, dead, without hope or salvation for mankind.
and the muslims say there is only one god, alah, or alha, or whatever, and the hindi say there are only thousands of only gods, and that it says so in the ramayadana, and so on... and the pastafari say there is only one god, the flying spaghetti monster. to me, and with all respect, it's all the same, and no one has a reasonable reason to believe on what they believe
So do you think that there's anyone like Jesus?
The right answer would be no.
i don't know if there's anyone like jesus, but then again, if i was a budhist, i would ask you if there was anyone like buda, and i would tell you the right answer would be no. what i'm saying is that you're not giving me any reason to believe in your god, and not in the others
Jesus was born a man, son of God, and he walked a sin free life, Jesus was crucified on the Cross and died, then three days later he rose from the grave ( defeating death and sin). Without the grave being empty, there would be no Christianity. There is the Almighty God, the son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. There is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ forgiving your sins. YOU MUST ask Jesus for forgiveness and when you wholeheartedly, honestly receive His forgiveness.
i'm sorry, i'm trying to rid myself of prejudices to see any reason in your reasons, but you're just saying the same, you're stating that i should believe in the bible because jesus is the big cheese, and to prove it, you're saying that it's in the bible. no offense, really, but you can't prove something with itself. once i saw a sign that proving that jesus was god using the bible was like proving that superman exists using a comic... it's not true just because it's written (not even if it was written 2000 years ago). it's not false, either, but that doesn't make it true. by that account, every other belief would be true, and it can be... only one religion can be true, but it can be that none is. again, what you're saying is an argument that can be done with almost any religion that has a canonical book
nice conversation, though, and again, i mean no disrespect. tomorrow, if there's an answer, i will gladly continue with this topic. i like these discussiones, for some reason
"how God proved the Egyptians gods to be false"? You simply confirm how contrived Christianity is by demonstrating that like all dictatorial regimes, it attempts to achieve a dominant position through the age-old practice of discrediting its predecessor.
So the majority of the World e.g. China, India etc who do not believe in Jesus and Christianity are destined for hell's fire...
StumpParrish, someone who is blind and has little understanding would make such a statement. You assume that Allah is not God and that God is not Allah. Very funny. And I thought biblical literalists were funny.
Logic without understanding doesn't get you very far. Einstein understood that. He also understood that one needs imagination to see beyond the box you find yourself in.
For more on Einstein and God, check this out: http://knol.google.com/k/albert-einstei … ch-for-god
Heavenbound your statement reminded me of this quote by Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Christianity teaches that all offences can be forgiven. Every church unconsciously allows people to commit crimes on credit.
The bible is for reproof and correction- NOT to make sin okay to continue in. Repent means to turn from the sin and STOP.
So any time someone questions the bible's continual contradictions they can simply be reinterpreted to mean something different? That is clearly the secret of why it simply cannot be wrong...
Btw- Why do you NEED a god?
Can you not make decisions for yourself?
Can you not make your own choices?
Can you not think for yourself?
Do you need to be told how to think?
Do you need to be told how to live?
Do you need to be told what to do?
If you answer yes to any of the questions that begin with DO, then you have bigger issues than worrying about what other people DO do.
Can you not make decisions for yourself?
Gods decisions are much better
Can you not make your own choices?
God makes better choices
Can you not think for yourself?
Gods thoughts are far better than mine or yours
Do you need to be told how to think?
When doing someone else's work do you not need instructions?
Do you need to be told how to live?
Its more than just living THIS life
Do you need to be told what to do?
when following someone else's pattern for my life, yes.
Such simple questions you do stumble over
Perhaps you need to be a student again instead of a teacher
Time for the top ten.
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
instead of refuting this grade one approach, lets just say i did and save you comprehension headaches
So Hb, how has that worked thruout the history of the christian religion? Show me a couple of instances of christianity doing something positive for the world.
Oh btw Heavenbound, save the scripture for someone who actually believes the words. If you're not going to speak without scripture, then you are only wasting your time.
Just a thought.
Btw- I realize you're a little slow and still have yet to answer my other post, if you would like I'll post it again, so you can answer it?
Just in case you missed it?
Btw- Why do you NEED a god?
Can you not make decisions for yourself?
Can you not make your own choices?
Can you not think for yourself?
Do you need to be told how to think?
Do you need to be told how to live?
Do you need to be told what to do?
If you answer yes to any of the questions that begin with DO, then you have bigger issues than worrying about what other people DO do.
I didn't miss it. I was choosing to ignore it.
You already should know of this free will thing and I have a free will and do as I want- but I have my morals from God.
God just helps me with my own desires- God does promise to give us the desires of our heart if we put Him first.
I pray that God blesses you with the revelation of Jesus-in Jesus name.
How nice of you? You ask questions and expect answer, but when you are asked questions you ignore them. It must be nice to know everything there is to know.
Oh god gave you morals, too bad you haven't learned how to use them or what exactly they are.
Why can you not control them yourself? Are you that inept?
Interesting, while you get your desires from god by putting him first, you're willing to put yourself second and the rest of the world third? Goes to show dishonesty in action. Good work.
I know more about Jesus than you do. Ironically, that's truth. But, then again, you wouldn't know anything about truth now, would you?
why haven't you accepted Jesus and ask God to fill you with His spirit and find out for yourself that it is true?
Why haven't you decided to choose to believe and ask for His Holy Spirit in Jesus name and prove it to yourself?
Did you answer my questions? It doesn't seem like it
Because, truth be told, there is NO GOD! Regardless of how much YOU claim there to be, there isn't.
I know more about Jesus than you do. Too bad you cannot see past yourself to gain any real understanding. There is NO such thing as "divine" and/or "god". Jesus was nothing more than a man. An extremely intelligent man, but still nothing but a man.
Yes, I answered your question and this is the second time I have.
Of course it doesn't seem like it to you. You're intellectually dishonest.
Most of us here have done that and many with as much devotion as you or any other believer. We were just stronger than you are and able to read other things, watch things, listen to other opinions. You know, all the things you think are worthless and sinful. .
Stronger is He (Jesus) that is in me than He (satan) in the world.
By the blood of the Lamb (Jesus) and my testimony I have overcome the world.
You big powerful person you! Taken a look at your overpowered world lately?
That is why God calls us who truly follow Him, And that truly have His spirit as lights in the midst of darkness.
And We are warned we are running through packs of wolves..
surprised that those that are against God are against believers?
How the bible tells us how they will hate us and speak all manner of evil?
What's being spoken of here a lot? Evil against God- rebellion against God.
We all at one point in time have walked according to the ways of this world that's against God and won't let Him help them. Than we have Jesus if we want to see the goodness of God.
There is still redemption available to all who will accept it- Jesus.
That's just your perception. Biased based on your book.
Of course it does, how else is it going to convince you to not believe other people.
Actually, again your perception is wrong.
Actually, again your perception is wrong. People are not against your god. They want YOU to stay out of their life.
That's because there is NO god.
You want to see goodness in Jesus, then do so. But, quit attributing it to some god. Jesus was only a man. Nothing more.
Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are good, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are bad, your body also is full of darkness.
With Jesus = Perception/awareness & understanding and the ability to focus on God & know him.
Without Jesus= No perception,awareness or understanding or focus on God- no relationship with God.
Please go visit my hub page on "Mature faith v.s. Immature faith." Thanks, Mikio
God is God and I testify to the truth that is found in Jesus.
I don't hate people!
God bless you!
heaven, you asked...why haven't you accepted Jesus and ask God to fill you with His spirit and find out for yourself that it is true? How do you know that I or anyone else here hasn't tried that? I'm sure your belief will be that I didn't believe enough or pray enough or contribute enough to the plate.
The problem in my case was I was taught to think and reason for myself and had no interest in listening to god's mouth piece. I am referring to the preacher in my local church who took the moneyy and ran off with my freind's mother.
I am still waiting for a response to this...Show me a couple of instances of christianity doing something positive for the world. Take your time, I know it will take you quite awhile to find even one.
@ Stump Demmit, I want to argue, so I'll give you a couple.
1. Charity work. Christian organizations are responsible for a majority of private charity in the U.S. Food banks, clothing, and homeless shelters (missions) are all ran primarily on volunteers and funding raised by Christian sources.
2. Grief recovery- Parents who have lost children recover much more quickly if they believe that their little one is waiting for them on the other side.
3. (As a bonus) Addiction recovery. The tenants of most addiction programs rely on the twelve steps. Patients who believe in a god as their higher power do better than those who put their faith in science or self.
Do not take this as me standing up for heavenbound. Personally, I believe, after reading her posts and hubs, that she is so christian as to become incapacitated.
hey mellisa and thanks for the response. I was looking for something that is specific to the christian religion. I understand that churches do charity work and yet so do non-religious people. The type of grief recovery that you mentioned would only be beneficial if the person was a believer. I am sure that there are many organizations that offer this service. The addiction recovery you mentioned comes at a price. One must pretend to believe if they want to recieve help from the church. They must sit thru religous sermons or they can go to non religious organizations for the same help.
From what I have seen and learned, the majority of contributions to the world by christianity have been wars and persecution of any who disagree. Nothing personal here and I am sure you realize this but I do feel the need of late to ponit this out to people. Peace and again thanks for responding. BTW, I love the remark about being so christian as to become incapacitated. I hope you don't mind but I will be stealing this line. I will try to remember to point that it came from a believer. Either way it is a perfect description of many I I meet here in the bible belt.
I am an African, my ancestors worshiped some sort of god made with woods, etc...until Christianity, Islam, etc came in. I stand to tell you that God, the one true Christian believes, is the most High, believe it or not, i would come back with clearer proves, give your lives to Jesus Christ!
I'm of African descent, as well...and I think your position is absurd. Where is your self-esteem? Why would you worship the god of someone else's ancestors instead of yours. All religions are just as ludacris...so, at least pick your own.
I'm descended from American slaves...the same way that, SUPPOSEDLY, Moses and the Israelites were enslaved in Egypt.
According many black people's logic, it would have been honorable for Moses to accept the Pharoah's religion, and ask Ra to help them defeat the Pharoah.
How many Christians would have any respect for Moses if he had done something that ridiculous!
Wasn't Zippora black? You are speaking of a religion from the Middle East. There were probably a large number of blacks among the early Christians, along with many other ethnic groups. It sounds as if you are equating Christianity, itself, to Anglos.
Good point. And some even speculate that the Queen of Sheba was black.
Yes, an area of mostly semetic people.
There may have been...but it seems to me that the overwhelming majority of the missionaries, in the not so distant past, who converted the Africans, were of European descent.
Why do you suppose that is?
Believe and Love Jesus, and you shall receive life abundantly. You shall never regret doing so. Prove me said the Lord.
...because posts like this make me concluded that becoming Christian turns you into annoying pedant intolerant of diversity in identity and belief.
. . .because posts like these are serious wooden top material for the blabbering section of those 'special' masses who caught the wrong bus and never made it to school
Because of pathetic threads like this, it makes one want to pound head against a solid object until it hurts and when it begins to hurt, pound some more.
Why would someone who doesn't believe in God do any of this. Belief or a lack thereof is a personal thing. I might find myself interested in why a former believer doesn't believe anymore, but not in why someone who simply does not adhere to a religious faith doesn't feel a need to do what you're suggesting.
And just a hint - this is not evangelizing as you think it is.
Do any of this(what?)?
Yes, personal? Why doesn't it stay personal?
I can only speak for myself, as I was once a believer. So, I can only assume your comment is for those who believed at one time and no longer believe. From my view, spent much of my life believing, but I also refused to quit learning. I research religion, it's scriptures, history of humankind, history of Earth and found that none of what religion offered to anyone of any value. It's a hoax perpetuated, so as to keep people in line, because they as individuals cannot be trusted to do what is right on their own.
I am sure plenty of members here, begin banging their heads on their desks, when threads like this are opened. There might even be some religious folk, who roll their eyes up into their head, when they see threads like this opened, only because they probably have a different understanding. Too bad all religious folk cannot get on the same page with one another and learn to be passive about what they supposedly learned, instead of being aggressive.
Ironically Motown, Peace is what we prefer and don't need to be told how to live. Too bad more folks(religious) don't understand that. It just goes over their head.
Ahh, Cags. I wish more people would pursue peace instead of forum threads that make others want to bang their heads on their desks.
Frankly, these threads are embarrassing to some believers for all the reasons I mentioned.
Mark 16:15-- And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
You don't listen very well do you? I said, quoting scripture isn't valid. And, just because YOU say it is, doesn't make it any more true.
The scripture was written for those who believe. Not for those who don't believe. The scripture was written keep YOU in line. To control YOU.
And, it apparently is doing a great job at making you look foolish.
I'd be embarrassed too if I were still a believer
And not evangelising makes you a perfectly acceptable human being who is a christian by choice - this is about evangelising nutcases who have to cluster in groups to make enough brain activity to type. If only people would do as you do and quietly 'believe' in your stuff then it would all die out and stop pushing the world toward at least partial destruction - the constant stream of half educated babble that attracts other half-wits to pseudo christianity is as dangerous as any other cult.
You agree that sharing Jesus as the only way causes destruction and is dangerous Motown- you do not know God.
Also we are to believe silently - Hmmm.. once again not in the bible.
Now if I was saying God hates you and such than it would make since on how you are acting.
The Gospel of Jesus- wrong and we are not to be ashamed of it and hide it.
You really don't know what you are doing- and who your putting yourself against & it's not me.
You just give the typical unbelieving statements to my surprise.
Your Bible must be different than mine Motown.
I know Jesus and He offers and calls all to receive Him/Salvation- and even says that He will give us living water.
Jesus has told us to go to the highways and by ways and to announce to the captives freedom.
We are not supposed to bend or wavier.
The word of God has power and it cuts to the heart of people.
I believe the word of God- there is only one truth.
Trying to get someone to stop sharing how easy it is to receive Jesus and be saved isn't right at all. This isn't an opinion- I share truth.
As you said on another forum- Jesus is for me and I can't speak for the world- Do you really believe that Jesus isn't for everyone?
Jesus is the only way to God- We are supposed to be sharing this along with- our testimonies of what Jesus has done in our lives.
It is by the blood of the lamb and our testimony that we overcome the world.
It is horrible for you to say no one is listening- you don't know who's on the internet reading everything I share- God does!
Sharing Christ with the world has and always will lead people to Him- and I have witnessed this time and time again.
I am not wish- washy with my belief and faith in God.
I will do what God leads me to do.
Religion has always tried to limit God and his power.
Religion is not relationship with Jesus.
Christ is to be shared in all ways, in all places.
Who are you to try to stop this message?
The gospel of Jesus will go to all four corners of the earth and God will and does use people.
This God I know doesn't want me silent.
Maybe you should pray and ask God if you should be attacking one of His people that proclaims Jesus to a dying world.
The Coming of the Kingdom of God
20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[c]
22 Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23 People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24 For the Son of Man in his day[d] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25 But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.
Motown whatever your reply will be I hope it lines up to the word of God and isn't against it.
At least we still agree on the fact that Jesus died for us- next step that he died for the whole world.
Cags and recommend1 - I posted my reply to the OP - wondering why anyone who simply didn't believe in God would ask Him to do any of the things she was talking about.
I made the point to her that belief or lack thereof is a personal thing.
I also said that while it might matter to a former believer, it certainly wouldn't to a non believer (I was trying to imply that it was a wasteful forum thread, but apparently I did not succeed).
My final point was to HER that this is not evangelizing. That's what SHE thinks she's doing.
Lastly, I wished her peace.
I agree with the majority of you. I'm not sure how that got twisted.
Sorry for the confusion.
My reply wasn't directed at you, but was meant for you, as I posted to your post. And, yes, I know you were talking to the OP. The OP doesn't listen to anyone, except herself.
Matt 5:11--Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
John 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Romans 8:1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, 14 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
Acts 13:38 "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, 39 and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses. 40 "Therefore take heed, so that the thing spoken of in the Prophets may not come upon you: 41 `BEHOLD, YOU SCOFFERS, AND MARVEL, AND PERISH; FOR I AM ACCOMPLISHING A WORK IN YOUR DAYS, A WORK WHICH YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE, THOUGH SOMEONE SHOULD DESCRIBE IT TO YOU.' "
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,
1 Corinthians 1:27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,
Matthew 11:28 "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Matthew 11:29 "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. 30 "For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
John 10:9 "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
Mark 1:15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."
You love to read your own posts. It is apparent. Quoting scripture is meaningless, except to those who believe. What part do you NOT understand?
Heavenbound it's ok......I honestly understand where you are coming from and i feel your passion for what you believe in and it's a good thing as long as it makes you happy. maybe this is that phase in your life that you have to go through before actually knowing and understanding the real TRUTH.
Remain blessed and may your God continue to prosper you.......uum....peace.
Jesus died to save all and forgive all- that's the truth.
God bless you.
There isn't any truth in that statement. It is what you have been told to believe. It's unfortunate, you were not there and don't actually know.
Nope, there never was a man named Jesus in the holy land. Get educated about the book if you are going to continue preaching about it. You might also read what it says about women speaking out about religion in your novel. Your are breaking your own god's rules, you know!
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.- Gal 3:28
For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.- Heb 4:12
Isaiah 49:2 He made my mouth like a sharpened sword, in the shadow of his hand he hid me; he made me into a polished arrow and concealed me in his quiver.
Jeremiah 23:29 "Is not my word like fire," declares the LORD, "and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?- Rom 10:14
A French man who claimed to be so wise and intelligent argued the existence of God, he wrote books describing what he calls: proves that there is no God...only natural forces and scientific principles exists....blah...blah...blah. you know what? On the edge of death, God showed him a revelation of his life after death...he lay on his sick bed, shedding tears, as he managed to write a note instructing his publisher to make sure what he writes now gets to every ends where his previous books of prove of the inexistence of God were sold...what did he wrote? "God exist". Friends, i pray that your fate don't be like his...please make the right use of your wisdom and intelligence now that you are alive...all things where made to serve and exalt the name and goodness of God through Christ Jesus. Please if any of you is yet to give his or her life to Jesus Christ, do so now....Read: Romans 11 & 12. God bless your efforts and steadfastness @Heavenbound. keep it up...God is with you, whatever we do, there must be those who would live in sin till the last day...but nevertheless, you must tell them because the end shall come when the word of God, the truth has been preached to every corner of the earth, and the end shall come, and only God can ascertain when this has been done. Peace, Jesus loves us, He loves you!
accofranco, thanks a lot...you're too kind.
Hi heavenbound. I am very glad you started this wonderful thread. Many are trying to stop you but it''s not working. No weapon formed against you shall prosper. Keep up the great work my sister.
Grow up, heavenbound, put your passion where it can be really useful for other people and yourself. Your god is in your head, when you die it will die with you ,together with your Holy spirit and whoever else is there...
I think we have another paarsurrey on hubpages. Only he believes in Allah thing. So much energy and passion for nothing, - sad, rather sad.
You need Jesus even if you don't think so- I have no fear of death.
I will live for eternity in heaven because of Jesus.
Thank you Jesus for dying for me!!
God bless you!
Its dead simple I don't see why you all don't get it.
Man has needed and manufactured myths since he could make conscious decisions.
The right question to ask is why?
Heavenbound, I agree with "Woman Of Courage" and pray that those who are serious wanting to accept Jesus In their lives or are even unsure about their destiny will reply or at least follow this Question thread. This is a life & death matter that should be discussed. Thanks for asking. Psalmist4M
I'm good as well, so I guess the god botherers are in for a tough day.
That actually depends on a couple of factors from my end. I might just get offline and watch my RedSox game. More entertainment.
I need to look at a ute for my youngest son. He is starting his paving/ brick fence repair business next week.
I usually have a fair bit of time though, no day job.
Well Earnest, I guess it would be better to spend time with your youngest son than trying to get through some.
True. I am waiting to see the one he is out looking at now.
No chance the sword of logos will be cutting through this one.
Massively indoctrinated, megalomanic and not terribly bright would be my assessment.
earnest, did you just use logic and good book in the same sentence? Can I have one of what ever you're drinking tonight?
It was all a mistake honest!
I couldn't get that tanked if I drank a bottle of scotch on my own!
Truth hurts, it pinches on those who know its truth and has refused to admit it- they do all they can to halt it, but truth is as uncovered as the sun...I HAVE SEEN MANY OF THOSE WHO CLAIMED THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN God, FLYING FROM ONE COUNTRY TO ANOTHER SEEKING FOR A SOLUTION TO THEIR PROBLEMS; SICKNESS, ETC...at least many do come here, who are more scientifically and evolutionary inclined than some of THE oppositions to God existence here...pray that yo don't get to admit that God exist through the hard way like so so so many others who came to believe on the edge of death, sickness, destruction, etc.
Let me once again make it clear here that this current world now is governed by the DEVIL, that is why evil will continue to exist and the world will continue to experience conflicts, wars, injustice, prejudice, irrational judgments, ETC...until Jesus Christ comes and wipe away all these human evil and establish a new kingdom, free of sin and wickedness...THIS IS THE PROMISE OF God!
Don't ask why God cannot remove all these sufferings, of course He can, but if He does, He is assisting DEVIL or SATAN to prolong his ruin, thereby delaying the coming of Jesus Christ His son.
Don't ask why is God not the ruler of THE world now, He gave SATAN a chance to prove his ability to govern the earth peacefully and successfully after SATAN argued God's ability to govern the earth, as a good teacher, a kind father, a merciful one, He decided to give SATAN the chance to prove his own ability just like when a student in a class argues his teacher when the teacher says: 1 1=2, as a good teacher, he must give the rude student a chance to prove how 1 1 is not =2, to convince other students in the class that the student is ignorant of what he argues...not that the teacher cannot walk the student out of THE class. if He does without first allowing him to prove himself wrong, other students in the class might as well think that the rude student was right, and that the teacher doesn't want him to prove it, that is why he sent him out of THE class. to avoid this presumption, God decided to give SATAN a chance to prove himself wrong...and is he not doing that already? with all the technology, scientific inventions, archaeological discoveries, the world has continued to witness conflicts, inhumanity, wickedness, ETC...despite the formation of United Nations, NATO, African Union, Arab League, ETC...has the world found peace? Despite the medical advancements and scientific boom, has the world lived without sickness and disease? Despite the Financial monetary systems and analysis, has the world lived without POVERTY?
To us humans, the end to SATAN's ruin has been prolonged, but it is a blink in God's eyes...just like a four year tenure of a president in a democratic government seem like an eternity to opposition parties and the governed, to the ruling party and the president, its like a day. don't worry, be steadfast, the coming of Christ would soon come, when God has ascertained that SATAN has proved himself wrong, that is when the word of God has been preached to every world for a witness, and then, the END will come. God through Jesus Christ His son, will then establish a new world free of wickedness of man, as no man would ever know evil to mention doing it.
Once again my beloved friends, GIVE YOUR LIVES TO Jesus Christ, and watch what He will do in your life. Remember, while that rude student is busy proving himself wrong on how 1 1 is not =2, any good student that still went privately to the teacher and ask for a clarity, the teacher would gladly answer him or her. That is why only those who have ACCEPTED Jesus Christ can have access to His mercy and love, so don't ask why the THOUSANDS OF PRAYERS offered by people, only few get answers...they are the ones who pray with sincerity of heart, unselfishness and with total faith and trust in God.
"they are the ones who pray with sincerity of heart, unselfishness and with total faith and trust in God."
Yeah, guess all those little kids around the world dying of hunger, cancer, and who knows what else are just a bunch of insincere aholes who don't deserve the time of your brilliantly loving righteous God. Guess all their prayers just aren't sincere or trusting enough, so they deserve to die while your God does nothing.
Here's a hypothetical for you, if someone asks for superman's help because he's about to be killed by train and superman doesn't think they're being sincere enough does this mean superman can sit idly by and watch the man get smashed by the train because he didn't say PLEASE HELP ME in quite the right tone of voice?
How the hell do people like you sleep at night?
I'd also like to point out that not only are you full of crap about the sincerity thing but you're also full of crap because you're contradicting Christ himself. Jesus said ASK and it SHALL be given, he said nothing about being selfless when asking and even went so far as to say it only takes the faith the size of a grain of mustard seed. So way to go, you look like a jerk and you contradict your own savior.
The biblical god could walk under the carpet in a high hat and not leave a bump. Tiny minds threaten. It's all they have
The heart is a bag, everyone carries his or her own, no one knows what people, big or small are thinking...and remember, some children inherited sin from their parents or grate grandparents...they cannot go unpunished except they turn to God completely and denounce whole heartedly the sinful practices of their parents ETC..and again, most humans only believe in God when they need assistance or when they are in dire need for rescue from one evil or the other, but deep inside their hearts, they don't love or believe in God, so they come and ask with cunning heart in the might that they would go back to their previous life after they are saved from their present situations, God knows their hearts and would never answer them cos no one can fool God. Read Isaiah 59:2. and don't forget the story i narrated earlier, SATAN is the one ruling this world and God cannot help him to prolong his ruin by taking away every predicament that we humans face on earth after we listened to SATAN's words of deceit, no, no! He, God can only answer honest, sincere prayers from His faithful and trustful children, who sincerely ran to Him for help and or refuge...not a prayer rendered in distress situations just to get away from a present trouble when deep in your heart, you don't believe or trust in God.
Soldiers that doubt the existence of God also call on Him for help when they are captured or surrounded by their enemies...so???
Your superman would not help him if the boy was dropped on the rail by his father (whom he trusted and several times proved to superman that he trusted in his father in all things) to prove to superman that his father has the capability of saving him or making him vanish from an approaching train...your superman will only sit and watch the magic they intend to perform, and when they fail, he frownd, what an ignorant poor boy whom i warned never to trust in that his father...but if he (the boy) had realized just before the train comes on Him that only superman is capable of saving him and sincerely calls out to superman, superman would rush and rescue him. this is to give other kids wtching a proof that they shud trust only in superman as theire saviour.....hmmmm??
Your hypothetical addition to my example just proves my point. It shouldn't matter to superman whether or not they trust in him as a savior. Superman saves anyone and everyone, even villains that seek to destroy him, whereas according to you Jesus will only save those that believe. Pretty sad when comic book creators can come up with a savior more moral than your own.
I smiled when I saw this forum, What can I say about this is, Proving God is like proving superman is real, then why would we accept superman as real and lean our life to him? Doesn't it make sense?
Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources
Evidence from Tacitus
Evidence from Pliny the Younger
Evidence from Josephus
Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud
Evidence from Lucian
John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
why do you have to tell me what or who, or how to believe?
the words in that book, say that you alone are responsible for your own salvation, and you alone are judged as to whats inside of you.
you try to keep score of deeds, how many you save and get the word to, and it says not by deeds alone? by your own book Jesus and You are not God? Why not take care of your own work of worshiping your god?
If the words in the book are to be believed as you say than I ask you:
Why are you not following His advice?
I think I am ready to throw up, my stomach cannot handle all that nonsense. I promise, I will never get myself involved into any religious threads anymore. "...this current world now is governed by the DEVIL, that is why evil will continue to exist..." What's next?
Devil is a Catolic concept introduced to keep Christains scared straight. When it did not work for Pagans, they sent the Crusaders to eliminate them!
The Book if you knew it tells you the Devil is Gods fight alone, only God will crush the head. Not us. we have no pwers to do anything like that.
If you believe Home girl, believe what you read, not what some modern religious sect teaches in un founded Bible Sunday school material.
you question boldly, ask and research, not make statements like this.
evil exhists by human choice to act in it against another. The book tells you, you have free choice in God. No invisible spirit is hiding on a corner to jump your bones! relax and study it if it is your choice?
The Devil, if created by God, had no right to change anyones free will, if God states that he himself can not change it nor can anyone else? Then believe it if you really believe?
. In your book it says he is the same today, tomarrow and yesterday. IE; by that book, Satan is a creation, as we are he would have no more influences than allowed by God. He is not God as Jesus was God also and told us so! think......
read what is really there!
something you may wish to consider here, from religious scholars:
the stroy of the woman who used her hair to wipe Jesus's feet?
Jesus did not, if you acurately translate it, did not absolutely forgive her
His words, "Go and sin no more" in the New KV, dont actualy correlate to original translation. Sin was defined then as "Seperation from God"
The word Go, was actualy translated as Live.
He did not say she was forgiven, he had no power for that, He was telling her to Move on and live, and do not seperate from God anymore..?
IE Live, and seperate yourself from God no more!
Human actions are thier own, not an invisable spirit, it is our own, and God judges it, no one else, if that book is to be believed.
therefore I submit to you the possibility that the Devil is a convient excuse for Human habbit,, not the real reasons, for our short-comings.
but is a convient invention or excuse..
That force that pushes you or me or whover to do that which separate us from God is the SATAN, it comes in the form of an urge...a force...a tormenting conscience to do what is not right and rational according to God's teachings...that SATAN can be a man, a woman...whoever that sinful spirit enters into....whether you believe it or not, there are negative spirits, harmful...and inhumane spirits....they exist...if you doubt their existence...write me and i would tell you what to do to experience their existence urgently.
great ancient philosophers, wise men, scientists also confirmed the existence of evil spirit, some witnessed it...many explorers witnessed it...if you doubt the existence of a harmful wicked spirit called SATAN, why not take a decision today and contact me and i would sponsor your trip down here in Nigeria and take you to some witness places where you would witness for yourself, the existence of devil. if you believe in the Bible and still doubt that SATAN is not the one ruling the earth now, then you are deceiving yourself...re-examine your faith in God through Christ Jesus....that was why Jesus said, i am coming again....and i will wipe away all sins...and establish a new kingdom where there will be no more sin....if God is the current ruler of the earth now, why promise for another kingdom where there will be no more sin....won't that be a contradiction?
Superman follower...lol, mind you, superman is a human created comic...God is God...no one can be compared with Him, i only made a point on your so called comic hypo....just to let you know that i am listening to your words...
no one should feel intimated or bad or humiliated, etc here...we are only learning....but all the same, we all need Jesus Christ in our lives...He polishes our lives to a glaring one that others envy and dare to emulate, don't see this thread as an insult of a threat, meditate on it, and sincerely on your own, in the comfort of your room or wherever, ask God to reveal Himself to you through His son, Jesus Christ, and i promise you will never regret...i love you all, i cherish your opinions, but Jesus loves you more...come bck to Him and turn a new live today...do good for others, live a pure life and always ask for His grace and mercy when you stumble cos we all stumble because we are humans with sinful body...i pray God reveals Himself in a gracious way to as many as those here and who may be following this thread....Jesus Christ is Lord! i love you brothers and sisters....may God bless the works of your hands, and grant you peace always!
Note: God exalted United States because they loved, believed and practiced the true word of God, we saw Egypt, Greek, Roman...Germans fall and crash because they denied God and started to make mockery of His existence, practicing worldly principles, God brought them to nothing...i WARN MY AMERICAN FRIENDS, God has been faithful to you because you once loved Him, you made Him your pillar: IN God WE TRUST! Pls keep trusting in Him alone, don't be drunken with scientific or philosophical principles that led other nations to nothing...hold unto the God of Israel...He is the only one true God, don't desert Him to avoid AMERICA's sudden shameful downfall...so many nations wants to be like Americans by their strong faith and followership in Jesus Christ, don't let others destroy your fame and greatness...be wise, God exist, God is with you, flee from those thoughts that God does not exist...He was the one that gave your scientists, technologists, inventors, leaders the brain to do whatever they have done and are doing, it is not by your strength, there are so many wiser nations than America, China has wise men and women, but they cannot be like America except they worship God, the God of Israel, not a carved god, made with hand, that is why middle east will continue to witness conflict, because they refuse to worship the true God...when Germans wake up and stood against Jews, what happened to them??...where is Hitler?? What happened to the man that said he would die and wake u after 3 days in America?....you can tell more than i can...Africa has been far way behind because we abandoned God, we worshipped idols, gods made with hand, gods that have no good thought for humankind...can't you see where we are, it is not because you are wiser or more intelligent than we are...but because God chose you due to the covenant your ancestors had with Him....read Romans 11. But now we have accepted Him, though few...so my beloved AMERICANS, don't abandone God, He has made you great, all nations call you BLESSING, if you do, then wait for your DOWNFALL!! I PRAY NOT, BE WARNED! CAMPAIGN AGAINST ATHEISM IN AMERICA, IT DESTROYS NATIONS, God is the only way!
Wow you god people are boring! I'm glad I don't have to listen to this nonsense on a regular basis.
self serving sillyness acco, sorry, but no.
take the test earnest has!
I don't like the chances of getting a reasonable answer dutch.
Yep! I'm kidding.
He will probably be back with a yard and a half of "supportive" scripture, address nothing and SHOUT ABOUT IT!!!
I hope he gets the message, we all have read the fiction Novel, the Hero dies in the end!
you know Earnest, I am begining to see what you really mean in the posts.
This really is a real psychotic play on the minds of good people.
this really binds up your thought processes, places you in front of several scarry archtypes by brainwashing in fear and restricting options, reducing one to puppet behavior, and then calling it love?
This really is bad and a sick hoax on humans, calculated. The people responsible for this, must have been the depths of missery and mind torture.
An open minded read of the quoran or torah will leave a reasonable person shocked at the depth of depravity their god has claimed to be at by his own words.
Christ if he ever existed, (and I have rheems of reasons why he probably didn't) was probably illiterate. He did not write down a single word.
As I stated before, the real give-away with religious gods is their psychosis. I could quote psychotic scripture here and any psychologist will recognise that it was written by a sick mind.
No matter who it was written to, or at what time in man's development, it is and remains psychotic, and that is inescapable.
this whole thing reads like a torture manual when you lay it out.
who in their right mind would ask a man to sacrifice his own, well maybe Hitler!, but we took care of that mess i hope.
this whole O.T. of the book, over these last few days of read and search are absolutely psychotic..
Kill him, no wait hold, yes my son....you are worthy!!!!! good grief. This is calculated Human writing from a sick mind set, like a bazar Comic Book. Sick Comedy.
No God did this mess.
The Bible is the best guidebook there is
A life without Jesus is no life at all
He has brought me peace, joy,fullfillment and purpose in life
May the sunshine of Jesus' sweet love bless you today and every day
So me, my entire family, all the kid's achievements, are all nothing?
See that is just plain arrogant and smacks of megalomania.
Job 20:20-"Surely he will have no respite from his craving; he cannot save himself by his treasure.
Isaiah 33:6-He will be the sure foundation for your times, a rich store of salvation and wisdom and knowledge; the fear of the LORD is the key to this treasure.
1 Tim 6:19--In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.
I am well aware of what the bible has to say. Threats, fear and vengeance.
Haven't you learned that fear in a lot of the context of the bible means reverence and honor God? This is where wisdom begins.
Why don't you understand what psychosis is?
You are honoring a psychopath- Satan. Because you are deceived.
Heaven bound. I appreciate your zeal. But, you are deceived yourself. There's a section in your text I'm always reminded of. Something about Jesus saying to the radical religionists 'I never knew you.'
I honestly think, if we find out the gospels are true, that's what will happen to the literalists when everything is said and done.
No not deceived but I didn't stop seeking God and went deep enough into it to know Him. You really can't tell me anything on this because I have seen the power of God in my life and I bear the testimony of Jesus Christ. Because of Jesus I have been healed, my back was even fixed right when I prayed, God interceded and saved mine and my sons life, the word of God has to be applied and walked out- then results and revelation come.
I am not new to seeking God and God is awesome and his power is real. I could go on and on about everything God has done for me- and it isn't because I deserve it or earned it- it it because I believed and stuck this out- through deliverance after deliverance- healing after healing, revelation upon revelation.
Seeing the spiritual- seeing the attacks and watching them flee in Jesus name. I let God change me so His power can flow through me more and more.
God has done for me the things I couldn't of possibly done on my own- and no one can do.
God is faithful even when we are not.
I am still learning more about God- His wisdom and guidance never stop.
I am here and alive because of God- so don't tell me I'm deceived.
I don't have blind faith my God has proven himself to me and will do the same for anyone that won't give up and run away just because they don't understand. If we continue in His word- than we will be set free. I am set free from the world's ways that lead to death, destruction and confusion!
How can anyone understand the things of God on the outside or in error or just a mere opinion?
You know not what you are talking about- and you know not what you are doing- period.
God bless you!
This is a typical arrogant religious response. I would have expected no less. If any of what you said were true, it would hold true for everyone, and there would have been documented evidence at some point. You cannot drag others along with this delusion.
I have no problem with people seeking God. This zealotry is not spiritual, it is completely alien to the concept. I've read your scriptures and you are no different from any fundamentalist. You have not taken the time to think through your faith and you can't expect intelligent people to take the faith you are pushing seriously. It is a superficial, cold and callous interpretation of the whole philosophy of the one you call your savior.
Show me where this other imaginary being "Da Debil" wrote words as hate filled as those your biblical god claims ownership of?
I don't honour myths other than as a tool to understand the minds of lunatics, and as a guidance in psychotherapy.
Yeah it's so hateful to give you a way out of the sin & to offer salvation to all no matter who you are or what you did. So hateful to give you mercy if you accept the help. God is so hateful to tell you he will pull you out of destruction- restore you, and give you your heart's desire.
It's so hateful that Jesus can and does heal people that believe and seek Him.
Such a hateful God that's wants to save us and let us go to heaven and even promised to prepare a place for us. So hateful that God can forgive us and look at us as if we did nothing against Him.
So hateful that God is just standing around waiting for us to realize we need him and too reach out to him.
So hateful that God will only help as we allow him- FREE WILL.
It is so hateful that God chose us and we have to chose him back and love him back in return by honoring Him.
It is so hateful that God won't let the devilish people that refused to serve him kill His people that honored Him and done good in the bible or even let there kids live and grow up to try to destroy them again. It's so hateful that God protects those that serve him.
Go hasn't said he will protect all mankind- but those that seek Him will find life.
Fear is caused by threats that are believed.
I don't believe threats from a re-hashed bronze age compilation of myths.
Wisdom and religion are oxymoronic
Oxymoronic- only because you haven't sought God for understanding.
If you seek God for wisdom he will give it to you.
No, I have been through that, it was a delusion not unlike yours. Then I grew up and got an education. Life is wonderful.
You can't say you sought God the same because I don't know what you did, or what happened, or if you were missing something, or mislead in error.
God has been faithful to me- I messed up at times no doubt about this- but I continued in His word and have seen and have the results in my life.
You do know that not all churches and people teach the complete fullness of God's word.
So quit saying you've done what I have- with in the last 14 years God still continues to do as He has said- and I continue to see his power at work in serious ways.
God bless you!
That is a beautiful line, as it further exemplifies the requirement to walk away from doctrine (a Sadducee mentality of the sovereignty of written text only as THE 'word of god' and Pharisse mentality of interpreting the text as 'a word from god') and follow the command to Walk With Creator -even as Adam walked and more so as Immanu El exemplifies as a resurrected being...
The true life isn't found in books or doctrines believed (and yes, equally dismissed because of self interest). It is found in action, rational faith which produces the fruit of that life for everyone to see and eat from.
I feel concerned that one person, let alone millions, could be so much more preoccupied with wanting to convert everyone else than with living their life happily and enjoying a relationship with God. Why would you want everyone to be the same? Whether a person believes in God or not, we should celebrate individualism. And by the way..at least if you're going to ask such a controversial question, will you learn how to spell the word 'spirit'?
The word spirit it cut off as in they will only allow so much of your title/letters up there- hubpages posted it in it's fullness at the beginning of the thread.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.> 1 Cor 1:18
Limerick 8:3 a baptist from Upper Hastings
keep a very tight hand on his pant strings
with his one turtle dove
he refused to make the love
cause he did not want God, to catch them dancing!
PRAISE JESUS!!!!! I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!
Oh. My mistake. That's just the sun coming up.. I'm still a nonbeliever.
I love all these time zones. it's 7.34pm Thursday here.
Oh, Emile...you're being bratty. I love that.
Yes, when I'm using the hoops avatar I'm in a really good mood and not taking anything seriously. Well, that was until my run in this morning; but I'm all better now.
Good. Hopefully, running into someone who believes but doesn't feel a need to beat you senseless with the Bible has made you feel a little better.
I'm not foolish enough to equate that type of behavior with Christianity in general. If everyone was like that, I'd have run into that much sooner in my life.
I know a lot of people I would classify as good Christian people. You among them, of course.
I had to smile when I saw Daniel Carter's comment. It was exactly what was running through my mind (not as eloquently) just before I went in to see what had been posted.
What makes you think I haven't?
Just because I don't go in for organized religion doesn't mean I haven't asked God for happiness, purpose, strength, integrity, love and all the things that one might consider to be the holy spirit in my life. My experience is that nothing is listening to those requests and I have to get off my lazy butt and get out there into the wide world and create all those good lovely things myself. Religion seems (to me) to be for the very very lazy people out there who can't be bothered to think for themselves, or *gasp* work toward having a life filled with love and joy and purpose. Such a waste really, so many gifts of life wasted waiting for God to do a job that is quite rightly your job.
Well said Kirsten, god seems to help those who help themselves.
Hey Ern, hows life treating you?
Ain't been round the forums much lately, not enough booze in the world to make all the religious jibber jabber not comatose-ly boring! You should hit me up on FB at some point, chatting there is much nicer as you can be adult about things, no preschooler staff to ban ya and make you sit on the naughty step
OK, I hardly ever go there since I saw what the traffic was worth to me, and flock stopped supporting it's browser which automatically signed me in. Good idea though, I'll see if my password is around somewhere.
I don't like the naughty chair much either.
I am enjoying FB much more then I would ever have thought possible! A few of the hubbers who have left HP are still active and what not over in the wild wild west of FB (hard to imagine but it is free-er then here, sadly). For my art stuff FB does seem to help out some, I hook up with other artists and thats worth something
My Mom and Grandmom used to say that saying:
God help's them who help's themselves!
What if I accepted Allah or Krishna and ask God to fill me with His spirit? Will I find for myself that it is not true? Will I find that it's all true only if I accept Jesus and fill me with His spirit? What do you think?
Sorry, CV! You must be born in the Bible Belt in the deep south! Besides, you are much too rational to be a christian!
Isaiah 55:6-7 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (I Timothy 2:5-6)
Mark 1:15 ...The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Acts 3:19- Repent ye therefore, and be converted,
that your sins may be blotted out...
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved... (Acts 16:31)
How about copy and pasting what your novel says about women speaking out about religion, in the church, especially. Let's see how honest you are!
Are you afraid to respond to my last post. Heave?
A typical southern fundie, Earnest. They simply ignore the questions they do not want to answer but expect others to respond to their queries.
Apparently, this one only believes in scripture which backs her own particular viewpoints. Only a moron would put any stock in her posts here. Another here today-gone-tomorrow believer who will eventually embarrass themselves into obscurity on HP!
They come, they go!
Yeah Emile R 's got a good sense of humor- what are doing on a thread like this Mo?
Mostly reading, Alastar...lol Every now and again, though, I like to take down a fundy or two who's attempting to beat up their fellow human beings, either on the believing or unbelieving side. Sometimes, for the atheists, I like to be a reminder that we're not all out to prove they're the devil. For the Christians, I like to be a reminder that Jesus was humble, and that we're called to be that way also.
What about you?
Jesus was bold Mowtown-
Luke tells us that ‘when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognised that they had been with Jesus’ (Acts 4:13).
The word rendered ‘boldness’ is parresia and has the sense of outspoken, frank, plain, open, courageous, confident, fearless as well as bold.
Was Jesus himself bold? Or, was he meek and mild? Did Peter and John get their boldness because they had seen Jesus being bold? Peter and John had certainly been with Jesus, as their opponents recognised. I believe the disciples’ boldness flowed from that association.
Jesus was bold. Consider the ‘I am’ sayings in John’s Gospel. With each ‘I am’, Jesus proclaimed himself to be God. The peculiar construction — of a personal pronoun coupled with the present tense of the verb ‘to be’ — is how the covenant name of God may be stated.
In Exodus 3:14 God reveals himself to Moses as YHWH ― the covenant name of God. ‘I am who I am’ is one translation. So when the Jewish leaders heard Jesus say, ‘before Abraham was, I am’, they knew exactly what he meant — and sought to kill him for blasphemy (John 8:58).
That was bold — as also was his claim, ‘I am the resurrection and the life’ (John 11:25). Or how about this: ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me’ (John 14:6). Breathtaking claims!
Then there are the seven ‘woes’ of Matthew 23, spoken fearlessly to the Scribes and Pharisees, the religious authorities. Hypocrites, he called them. Blind guides, fools, whitewashed tombs, lawless, and more.
Jesus said: ‘You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?’ (Matthew 23:33). Peter and John were right there to see and hear it.
Yet following the seven woes, Jesus weeps over the plight of the people of Jerusalem. He would have ‘gathered your children together’ (Matthew 23:37).
That is, the boldness of Jesus was compassionate, not arrogant or angry. He was emotional because he loved his countrymen and could see they were in the process of committing eternal spiritual suicide.
Jesus’ love for those who both misunderstood and opposed him comes out most clearly on the cross when he said, ‘Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do’ (Luke 23:34).
Jesus was bold and loving all at once. Likewise, if Peter and John had not been bold they would not have been loving either — they would have disobeyed the second great commandment to love their neighbor as themselves.
Why? Because if they had failed to preach the truth they would have left their hearers ignorant of the only way of salvation from eternal darkness. We must follow their example. We are too often timid in the face of opposition, ridicule and threats. But we cannot serve God faithfully unless we are bold about Jesus Christ and our faith in him.
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