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So, You've Met Jesus?

  1. Beelzedad profile image61
    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago

    "Let me just say, that NO MAN convinced me to believe.

    I just MET Jesus Christ."


    I copied these words from a post in order to ask any believer here who claims to have met Jesus to send him to me or any other non-believer here. Obviously, if some of you folks are so adamant to evangelize Christianity and make converts, wouldn't meeting Jesus Christ be the best way to make an ardent believer out of a non-believer.

    So, send Jesus my way and I promise with every fiber of my being to join Christianity and spread the word.

    And, of course, you don't have to take my word for it that I did or did not meet Jesus, he'll simply tell you himself.

    smile

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      Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think that goes against the 'Seek and you will find' thing they always tell me. It might be seen as letting others do your legwork. But, it's good to see you've got an open mind.

      1. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Obviously, for many believers and non-believers alike, that has not worked. I've read many stories here of believers seeking Jesus but never finding him, hence they give up their beliefs or turn to another religion.



        Then, why are they evangelizing Christianity? Aren't they already doing the legwork? smile



        It is likely you will find very few non-believers who will not be open to seeing Jesus, or any other god, for that matter. That is the very crux of their attention to religions, show me your god and I will believe as you do. smile

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          Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yeh. You're right. Some shred of proof would definitely win me over. But, I actually thought you opened this thread for a joke. I didn't realize you were serious.

          1. Beelzedad profile image61
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Absolutely serious. If the myth can be revealed as true, and the son of a god does in fact exist, it is information and knowledge we must accept.

            No scientist who follows the scientific method would ever doubt it. smile

        2. nightwork4 profile image59
          nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          i ouldn't agree more. if jesus or as you said, any god actually came to me, i too would become a follower. the irony is your suppose to believe in god because of faith, but that isn't going to happen. i salute you for a common sense, honest question .

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        Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this
    2. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      After all the terrible things that Jesus, supposedly, can save me from, yes, I WANT TO MET JESUS!

      Maybe today will be that day!

      So yes, would someone please introduce me today?!  Thanks.

      Beelzedad, today is the day that you and I could beome SAVED!

    3. heavenbound5511 profile image81
      heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this
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        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I watched your videos. Jesus walked on water just to tell a guy there was a fish on his line? Two guys had dreams about Jesus. One  man saw a guy that looked like Jesus walking down the railroad track and some lady watched a show in a Pentecostal church.

        I have to say, that was a complete waste of my time.

        1. heavenbound5511 profile image81
          heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].Matt 11:27

        2. heavenbound5511 profile image81
          heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So Emily if Jesus showed Himself to you in any of the ways that people testify of such as seeing him, feeling him, being healed by him, and or strong dreams and visions of Jesus- would that give you any desire to seek Him?
          Jesus reveals himself to us in the way he chooses.

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            Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            For goodness sake. Are you for real? With all of the problems in the world, I'm to believe some guy that was probably half lit; who said all Jesus did was point at his fishing rod? I would think there were more pressing issues to adress, so no. I would, of course, think it was the booze talking.

            As to dreams. I wouldn't take them any more seriously. Unless I'm to believe that Kim Jong Il showed up to play pool, or that Johnny Depp stopped by and....... never mind. The point is, they are just dreams.

            The guy on the railroad track? We've got a guy here that looks like the pictures of Jesus. Last time I checked, he still can't walk on water. There are a lot of people who resemble those pictures.

            As to the Pentecostal church? No. that sounded staged by the preacher.

            I'm not denying that people have spiritual experiences. I'm critiquing your videos. They were pointless. They were apparently a group of people that wanted to believe, what they wanted.

            1. heavenbound5511 profile image81
              heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No testimony of Jesus is worthless!
              Thanks for your input smile

              1. heavenbound5511 profile image81
                heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                All the testimonies speak in the same spirit and truth of Jesus- For He has risen and is alive and able to help all who will come unto him.
                All speak and declare his power and love in some way!
                God bless you Emily! smile

        3. heavenbound5511 profile image81
          heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Here's one man's testimony  that have nothing to do with a church deliverance:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvvClFSM … re=related

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM3VqbhV … re=related

    4. heavenbound5511 profile image81
      heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Beelzedad!

      I respect the fact that you have a desire to know if all the testimonies of Jesus are real. Since you do hold the desire to know if He is real I know that Jesus is going to reveal Himself to you. I am just telling you what on my heart- only God can confirm these words to you- by 2-3 witnesses this will be revealed to you.
      I am bold yes to say this but God will back this up because He put it in my heart. 
      This comes to my memory-
      All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].Matt 11:27
      I have also prayed for you in your quest for truth- have a great day! smile

      1. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi there, please stop spamming this thread with bible quotes, thanks. smile

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        CollBposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Congrats!  In our lives, we have probably met Jesus so many times, we probably have lost count.  To my mind, he 'appears' to us through others, in their good works and deeds, in what they say and in how they help others to 'see the way, the truth and the light'.  Maybe, Jesus is here, walking on earth for according to some Christians, we are living in the endtimes.

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry, I don't buy that either, simply on the premise that many people do good things without a belief in Jesus.

          So far, all we have are excuses from believers. No one appears to be able to tell Jesus (even though they have met him and talk with him) to simply pay me a visit and reveal himself as he has done to those who make that claim.

          No takers? smile

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            mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            If they Don't believe with out a Doubt that God is real then they too, shall go to the fires of Hell

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So, unless we think like you do we are doomed?  I'll take doomed any day of the week!  smile

              And if you don't follow my god Moe, all of your descendants will be born naked.  lol

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                mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                hope that sense of humor gets you a good job in Hell pal

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I hope not!  My idea of hell would be spending eternity listening to you and HeBo spout your nonsense!  Fire and brimstone seems almost pleasant in comparison!  smile

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              according to your mythology.
              Did you know that a lot of believers don't believe in hell? Nor satan

            3. kirstenblog profile image77
              kirstenblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Charming, believe what I tell you or burn in hell....
              And you guys think your being victimized by being asked to keep your nonsense hate beliefs to yourselves. No where in my beliefs are you going to burn eternally for not agreeing with me or sharing my beliefs, not only that but if you persist in shoving your hate religion down our throat all you will get from those like me is words that attempt to show how vile the hate you spew is. No hell fire, no floods, just simple discussion. You threat with hell, we simply continue to argue our side. You could always walk away and keep your beliefs humble and personal to yourselves and those who actually ask about them.

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                the the irony is we get called haters because we don't subscribe to this nonsense

                1. kirstenblog profile image77
                  kirstenblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I do admit, they do risk the occasional cheeky joke from the peanut gallery (me). I am not quite able to take anything seriously enough not to make jokes about it smile
                  For me this is just a bit of fun, if I am looking to do real good in this world, worrying about peoples beliefs on invisible super beings is not where I start. Instead I find ways to doing real good, like risking my safety (you would be surprised how many times I have been within an inch of being hit by speeding cars) on the roads to keep children safe on their way to school. I give time or money to charity, that sort of thing, not arguing with people to 'save their souls' (while more often then not taking a crap on their actual lives, metaphorical speaking of course)

            4. Beelzedad profile image61
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Oh goody, threats. How quaint. smile

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            CollBposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yep I agree about doing good without believing in Jesus.

            To conclude, we all have our differing beliefs about Jesus and religion serves a different purpose in our lives.  Maybe Jesus will appear to you one day and reveal his purpose here on earth but again, maybe not and then you'll never know the true meaning of religion and why believers believe what they do! smile

            1. Beelzedad profile image61
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Oh, but I do know why believers believe what they do. smile

      3. aka-dj profile image79
        aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for reposting my comment.
        1st positive thing you did for me to date.

        Yes, I met Jesus, as can you.

        But, I suspect, what you call "meet Him" involves a physical manifestation, like St. Thomas had.
        Jesus  DID appear to him to remove any doubt, but, called Thomas a "Doubter". So, if you are one of those, I suggest He will be the one to introduce Himself to you, not one of us.

        Afterwards, He said to all His disciples, "Because you have seen, you believe blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe" (emphasis mine.)

        The best I can do is have you read my three Hubs
        1 my story of faith
        2 meet God
        3 the sinners prayer  for salvation. (these three are simply my hubs, but there are countless others also.)

        But, having suggested reading material to you before, I don't have high hopes.
        You can't say I never tried.

        1. getitrite profile image80
          getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No offense, but I don't think you have provided any help to Beelzedad at all.

          You Christians can lead us to water, but when we get there...there is no water to drink.

          Afterwhich, you all just stand there with egg on your faces...asking us to keep playing this childish psychotic game...anyway!

          1. aka-dj profile image79
            aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Lead you to water??? lol"
            You don't even want to hear the invitation, let alone follow anyones lead.

            1. getitrite profile image80
              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Nevertheless, you did say that you knew how we could meet Jesus...but instead of delivering on your promise, you inform us that we need to HYPNOTIZE ourselves, thereby, entering into a state of delusion, and breaking from reality.

              That kind of con only works on the gullible and weak minded.  Free thinkers know...

              That's not meeting Jesus, that's PSYCHOSIS!

              PSYCHOSIS-n--any major mental disorder characterized by a gross impairment in reality testing, in which the individual incorrectly evaluates the accuracy of his or her perceptions and thoughts and makes incorrect references about external reality, even in the face of contrary evidence.

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                Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I'd be curious where you saw that definition. Did you make it up yourself? Hmmm.

                This the one on the mimddisorders.com medical site.

                Psychosis is a symptom of mental illness characterized by a radical change in personality and a distorted or diminished sense of objective reality.

                I can see why you wouldn't use the proper definition. It doesn't support your attack. In the least. The religious might be misled; but their behavior, in most cases, is certainly no more psychotic than yours might be. Maybe less. I'm not sure. I don't know you.

                1. getitrite profile image80
                  getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Did you not learn in grade school that words can have more than one definition?

                  This the one on the mimddisorders.com medical site.



                  Eventhough there are several definitions of this word, you seem to prefer the one that you found as the correct one...and for what?...because it supports your attack.  Furthermore, I found another definition as well.

                  psychosis--any major mental disorder of organic or emotional origin, marked by derangement of the personality and loss of contact with reality, often with delusions, hallucinations or illusions.

                  Ref:  http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictio … otic+break




                  Thanks for your imput.

                  BTW, It is apparent that you deleted your profile...created a new one...then decided it was time to settle an old score? Just curious!

                  Stop being so angry.  Just because you want to be a non-believer and a believer must be very stressful.  It must be tearing the psyche apart.  Not sure.  I don't know you. lol

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                    Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    And, I notice the definition you are posting now also doesn't support your attack. Out of everywhere I looked, I couldn't find the original one you used, thus the suspicious question.



                    You are most welcome.



                    Thanks for being curious and checking my profile. I'm flattered, but I thought we were supposed to update the information occasionally. I noticed another hubber did, so  I tried to share a little more personal information. If that is against the rules, I'd be interested in knowing why they have the update profile option.



                    I'm not angry. I assumed you were. If you aren't, that might actually be a bigger problem. smile

              2. aka-dj profile image79
                aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Just take that to any psychologist and ask him/her their thoughts on (an average hmm ) Christian.

                I think 99%+ will be found to be "normal", well balanced rational, loving, caring people.

                I'm surprised you can get out of bed each day, with your overload of judgmentality and prejudices.

                I hope one day your little world will increase, and you will be able to see past your own nose.

        2. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Then, send him my way the next time you have a chat, thanks.



          Then, I await your Jesus and his calling me out as a doubter. Still waiting. And yes, to meet someone requires the physical.



          Delusional are those who have not seen yet believe.



          Will there be anything in those hubs that is any different from the beliefs you've offered here? If so, then what's the point of reading them?

          But, I'll give you benefit of the doubt and meet your request, in the physical. In other words, you actually want me to read them as opposed to not seeing them and just believe those words are there, right? smile

          1. aka-dj profile image79
            aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Oh well.

            I did have some glimmer of hope you were genuine.

            I see you are still up to your usual smug self.

            If I get any messages for you, I'll be sure to let you know! sad

            1. Beelzedad profile image61
              Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So, the fact that YOU claim to have met Jesus but still can't send him my way so that I can convert to Christianity is somehow my problem?



              I'm waiting. Send your Jesus over here. What's the problem with that? He's got a convert in waiting right here. smile

    5. TMMason profile image74
      TMMasonposted 5 years ago

      I suggest you all ask him yourselves. Really truely ask him and open your heart to him... and you may be surprised.

      1. Beelzedad profile image61
        Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I just explained that doesn't work. And, if we went by your reasoning, then there isn't any point in Christians evangelizing Christianity. smile

        1. TMMason profile image74
          TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It doesn't work for you because Christ is not one of your debate partners that you can tempt and tease, and then lure into showing himself to you just to prove a point. He requires humility, and repentance, sincerity and an open honesty in the asking.

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            Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Very presumptuous of you. How do you know what anyone else has done when reflecting on the subject? He could have been a priest once, for all you know.

            1. TMMason profile image74
              TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes it is of me.. isn't it.

              Too bad.

              Christ is not a piece in your game to play with. You all better figure out, the time for Prophets and God begging us and sacraficing for us to return to him, is past.

              He is not happy with this world... and I know how it ends.

              So choose your side and make your own beds. There will be no forgivness for those who do not come to Christ and repent. The end is not the, "all will be forgivin and it doesn't matter what you have done", BS story you think it is.

              And I pity all who think that God cannot be angry and vengeful in his wrath. You obviously do not know God, if that is what you think. So go ahead and keep pissing on He and His Son, it will all be accounted for.

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                Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well Mr. Mason. It is posts such as yours that remind me why there is no doubt in my mind that your religion is a lie. There is no way that a god, as you imagine it, wouldn't be down here smiting us as we speak. Yours is a mean spirited and petty god. If I found out such a one exists that expected me to conduct myself in such a manner, I'd still say no thanks.

                1. TMMason profile image74
                  TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes God can be agry and vengeful. That is a fact well illustrated in the Bible. If you do not like it, too bad. It is a truth to many preachers and ministers shy away from these days.

                  You know how you should act, the laws of God are etched upon the hearts of mankind, so follow your conscience and do right by others and you have no problem. But do not think to slur and slander God, or His Son , and then not be held to account.

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                    Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    So. To simply ask to be introduced is to slander and slur? That sounds as if you doubt the existence and know there is no way a meeting could happen. Wow. An honest Christian. Go figure.

                    1. TMMason profile image74
                      TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      I doubt nothing. Tempting the Lord with the intent of laughing at him is an insult, and slurring him occurs when you say the things you do, as you laugh about him not appearing, or not being able to appear.

                      Do you really not understan emile?

              2. nightwork4 profile image59
                nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                i'm going on the assumption that your just joking around. you stating that you no how it ends, how he can be angry and vengefull etc, aren't really things to say when you want people to worship your god.

          2. Beelzedad profile image61
            Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Ah yes, here come the lame excuses. It's all my fault that I haven't met Jesus. Give it a rest, pal. smile

            1. TMMason profile image74
              TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes it is.

              It is so simple to understand that that is all I have to say about it, it requires nothing else, no other explanation. The rest is on you.

              1. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Not buying it. Sorry. smile

                1. TMMason profile image74
                  TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Don't mistake me for someone trying to convert you, I am not. I am simly stating the facts.

                  I am not selling it, so you couldn't buy it from me, if you wanted it to.

                  1. Beelzedad profile image61
                    Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    No, you're not. For example, this is not a fact:

                    "You know how you should act, the laws of God are etched upon the hearts of mankind..."

                    So, put away your lame excuses and kindly allow those who have met Jesus to introduce him to the rest of us. Thanks. smile

                    1. TMMason profile image74
                      TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      That is a fact, if you chose to supress your conscience, then you are not listening to God or following the law you know is correct. End of story.

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              mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I notice the picture you have of Albert Einstein, you might want to change it,
              Because he too was a believer in the Lord God.
              just so you know
              I think it's funny that you put a picture of one of the smartest people in the World beside your name to try to make people think you are smart  Seems to me ..........you don't know what you think you know.   
              yeah.....I have proof of that . now put that in your pipe and smoke it , stir the ashes and light it again to make sure you got it all

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                mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                oh... and as far as my picture I decided not to post one, because i did not want to frighten any little children.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh, I thought you were doing "The Shadow."  smile

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                    mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    could be ...........BOO!!!!!! did that work for ya.

              2. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Not another Einstein adoption!
                Do we have to drag all that out again?

                Einstein, despite what the religionist web site you chose told you he said,  was NOT a religionist. smile

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Have a little patience, Earnest!  You know it always takes a little time to straighten out the fundies.  You know the routine! smile

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                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Einstein was an Alchemist - the church burned alchemists at the stake

              3. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, I understand your need to fabricate stories to support your belief system. It's the very least you can do.



                So, what can we infer from your lack of an avatar, that you want to make people believe you are invisible? lol
                   


                Okee dokee. smile

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            mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Amen brother, tell them again I don't think they heard you the first time

            1. heavenbound5511 profile image81
              heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              smile

      2. kirstenblog profile image77
        kirstenblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I invited him round for dinner, he never showed hmm

    6. peterxdunn profile image61
      peterxdunnposted 5 years ago

      I knew jesus before he was called jesus. When he was called Horus. Or was it Mithras? Perhaps it was Dionysus. Anyway it was one of the older solar deities - that the revolutionary jewish cabal that invented him - based their version on.

    7. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 5 years ago

      That's why God has to occasionally come down here and drown all but a few of us because we just can't understand morals!

      1. TMMason profile image74
        TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Pretty much correct. Except all of us know, and many of us simply ignore.

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      hickwinkposted 5 years ago

      Jesus knows you and loves you; you just haven't heard him yet. Seek and ye shall find.......

    9. jacharless profile image83
      jacharlessposted 5 years ago

      May I 'evoke' a questionable name and practice also: "What has happened to the Creator (also titled Abba, Father) ??????
      Has He skipped town or up and died ??????
      Why do I ask?
      Because all I hear is this constant mention of "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" ( aka evoking deity ) in nearly EVERY theistic conversation and NOT ONE mention of the Father who made that man, empowered him and made him firstborn governor over the stasis of heaven-earth !!!

      Sorry to be so blunt, but THAT kind of behavior is idolatry at its best. People "get" what he did. Why the replacement clause that you now worship Jesus and not the Father ONLY as Jesus and the Father commanded ????

      ---end rant ---

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Excelent point ... 
        When did people start doing that?

          Do Ya know?

        1. jacharless profile image83
          jacharlessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Jerami,

          I think Mason just said it: when people started preaching the gospel of 'Jesus Christ' (whatever that is) and not the Good News of the Kingdom of Heaven...

          That name is not an actual name. Jesus was not the mans name nor was Christ his name. It was the title or attribute defining the anointing or evidence of rational faith. This same Christ was seen on Moses, Elijah and others to a small measure and certainly on others after the Work to an even greater measure...

          James.

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            heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

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              heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                do you really think spamming threads with bible verses is going to win people over to believe in god?

            2. getitrite profile image80
              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol lol

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              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol lol

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              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol lol

        2. TMMason profile image74
          TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It started with the organization of the religions into mass churches, and then continued with the Catholics, I believe. I would sum it up with the word Rome.

          Think power-grab.

          1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
            DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It started with the Teachings of Saul/Paul

          2. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I woulda said that;  just wanted to see someone else say it.

      2. TMMason profile image74
        TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I pray to the Lord God, Yahwah, I pray through Jesus Christ, so therefore we direct people to Christ. But even he stated, kneel to no one but the Lord your, God in heaven. So I do not worship Jesus, I worship the Father, and ask that it be acccepted in Christ's name.

        That is why I talk about Christ... I don't know about other Christians. I do know I have seen some churches who stress worship of Christ, and not the Father. They seem to forget thet Christ preached the Gospel Of The Kingdom of Heaven, not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

        But I do not beleive that to be accurrate, worshiping Christ. I hope that answers the ?. At least from my perspective.

        1. jacharless profile image83
          jacharlessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I agree Mason, no one can worship the anointing, else the power of it fails. Plus it doesn't make much sense to worship the seed or the harvest, and forget the One who planted the seed and enabled that power in the first place...

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        klarawieckposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You mean THE CREATOR was Swedish?! How come nobody knew this?

        http://s4.hubimg.com/u/5171307_f248.jpg

      4. heavenbound5511 profile image81
        heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;-1 Tim 2:5

        Acts 4:12- Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

        Hebrews 13:15 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise--the fruit of lips that confess his name.

        John 8:28 -So Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am [He], and that I do nothing on My own. But just as the Father taught Me, I say these things.

        John 4:26- Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."

        John 5:19 -Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

        1 Peter 2:5- you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

        Romans 15:16- to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

        Daniel 7:14- He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

        1 Corinthians 15:24- Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
        1 Corinthians 15:27- For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

    10. jacharless profile image83
      jacharlessposted 5 years ago

      ...and I quote, "I am going so that the ruach (spirit) of the Father may come to you and HE (the spirit) will now lead you into all truth. Because if I do not go, that ruach cannot come."

      So, Jesus himself says he is not leading you anywhere. It is the ruach of the Father that leads and declares testimony. Because if you or me or Jesus himself declares his own testimony, it is false. The only true testimony is the ruach in you, manifesting the things of Creator. Else you have NO TESTIMONY.

      He did his job. He proved it by the ruach (spirit) testifying of him and the glory literally showing on him. He says this is the image and likeness you should be!!! He himself has no power to transform you. He said this over and over !!! Why don't you listen to him and stop stealing his testimony because you have none of your own. Lazy buggers. I seem to recall the same thing in the Hebrews. Laziness and reliance on the Law, the written text, to justify them and bring them to righteousness.

      -- end 2nd rant --

      1. heavenbound5511 profile image81
        heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Acts 4:33-And with great power did the Apostles give testimony of the resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord: and great grace was in them all.

        1 Corinthians 1:6- because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you.

        1 Cor 12:3-Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

        1 John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

        Revelation 1:10 On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

        Revelation 1:2- who testifies to everything he saw--that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

        Revelation 12:17 -Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

        Revelation 20:4- I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

        Revelation 22:21 -The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.

    11. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago

      Living in a society that has religion embedded. many non-believers have already done the "born again" I met Jesus thing.

      I guess they just grew up and learned how to tell the difference between indoctrination and real thought. smile

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago

        1. God is satisfied with his works
                 Gen 1:31
                God is dissatisfied with his works.
                 Gen 6:6
             2. God dwells in chosen temples
                 2 Chron 7:12,16
                God dwells not in temples
                 Acts 7:48
             3. God dwells in light
                 Tim 6:16
                God dwells in darkness
                 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
             4. God is seen and heard
                 Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
                  Ex 24:9-11
                God is invisible and cannot be heard
                 John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
             5. God is tired and rests
                 Ex 31:17
                God is never tired and never rests
                 Is 40:28
             6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
                 Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
                God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all     
                things
                 Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
             7. God knows the hearts of men
                 Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
                God tries men to find out what is in their heart
                 Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
             8. God is all powerful
                 Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
               God is not all powerful
                 Judg 1:19
             9. God is unchangeable
                 James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
                God is changeable
                 Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
                  Ex 33:1,3,17,14
             10. God is just and impartial
                  Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
                 God is unjust and partial
                  Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
             11. God is the author of evil
                  Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
                 God is not the author of evil
                  1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
             12. God gives freely to those who ask
                  James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
                 God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving   
                 them
                  John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
             13. God is to be found by those who seek him
                  Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
                 God is not to be found by those who seek him
                  Prov 1:28
             14. God is warlike
                  Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
                 God is peaceful
                  Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
             15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
                  Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
                 God is kind, merciful, and good
                  James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
                   1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
             16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
                  Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
                 God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
                  Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
             17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, 
                 sacrifices ,and holy days
                  Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
                 God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,   
                 sacrifices, and holy days.
                  Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
             18. God accepts human sacrifices
                  2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
                 God forbids human sacrifice
                  Deut 12:30,31
             19. God tempts men
                  Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
                 God tempts no man
                  James 1:13
             20. God cannot lie
                  Heb 6:18
                 God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
                  2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
             21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
                  Gen 6:5,7
                 Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
                  Gen 8:21
             22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
                  Rom 1:20
                 God's attributes cannot be discovered
                  Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
             23. There is but one God
                  Deut 6:4
                 There is a plurality of gods
                  Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No contradictions here! lol

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Great list, Earnest!  I doubt the "Scrammer"( scripture spammer) will address this example of the many contradictions attributed to the invisible dude. I was hoping you or someone would post the scripture stating it was wrong for a woman to speak publicly about the religion.  smile

        2. heavenbound5511 profile image81
          heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

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          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Why don't you just go ahead and copy/paste the entire bible and get it over with!  I seriously doubt anyone is reading it anyway.  It's not as if you are the only person with access to the novel.

          2. getitrite profile image80
            getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You will be reported for spamming!

            1. heavenbound5511 profile image81
              heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Than report everyone that has ever left long messages or responded to others long/ detailed comments.

              God bless you!

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                long detailed comments?  Long stolen copy & pastes more like it

              2. getitrite profile image80
                getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                People, who think that they are in a special relationship with God, don't seem to understand the psychotic self-righteousness in their attitudes.

                You have committed a violation, by hijacking this thread with excessive amounts of insane scripture. 

                Your volumes of mindless scripture is totally irrelevant, and has added nothing to the OP.  You haven't even come close to answering Beelzedad's request.

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                  Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  and screeds of other nonsense that someone else has written.  No moral compass

              3. Beelzedad profile image61
                Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I agree, we should all report for spamming the forums.

                Done. smile

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          mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          seems like you are comparing the Old Testament with The New Testament.
          except for Genesis. That is where was pleased with creating the Heavens and the Earth the Animals and Adam He was not pleased to see Adam unhappy  that was before he created Eve to make Adam happy again. then God was pleased.....again

      2. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago

        Among many others, I can recall 1 Cor. 14:34-36: 34.

        “As in all churches of the saints, let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also says the law.” 35. “And if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame (aiscron, unbecoming, disgraceful) for women to speak in the church.” 36. “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?”

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks Earnest!  The scrammer ladies always leave that one out for some reason.  lol

          By the way, sending you that shipload of Baptists worked!  We've had almost 3 inches of rain in the last few days.  I hope they help you guys get dried out a bit.  smile

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That is so good! We had far too much rain.

            We needed the rain earlier, we managed to drown the Baptists by telling then they could walk on water. lol

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              HA!  Works every time!  smile

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                An old idea perhaps, but it works every time! They never learn lol

        2. heavenbound5511 profile image81
          heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Since the death and resurrection of Jesus:
          There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. -Gal 3:28

          Joel 2:29 -Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

          Romans 3:22- This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,

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          mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          there again from the Old Testament. things changed when  Jesus Christ came to Earth in the New Testament

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well, I learn from the religious posters. I quote from the one that suits my argument. smile

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        mr peabodyposted 5 years ago

        first there is one thing you have to understand, that being that to believe in God you must also believe that there is Satan.
        With that being said: The only thing that Satan has to do is cause you to doubt the existence God which is pretty much what has happened with you.Therefore Satan has your Soul.
        ( Oh!!..... But what about Science and Dinosaurs). I honestly don't believe they ever walked the Earth. (Oh!!.... But the bones are on display in the     museum). Yea...So..... I don't believe Man evolved from a monkey either if that was true why are there still monkeys and apes. Satan has great powers also.It would not be hard for Satan to create bones of a hideous creature to cause Doubt. That is the only thing Satan needs to do is cause Doubt.
        I think I'll do a Hub on this

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Before you do, you may have to have at least a clue how it works. Your understanding of evolution is at the level of a 10 year old. smile

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            mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            maybe the truth is to much for your simple mind to understand my friend

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              mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              please explain it to me ....... seeing as how you know everything

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                mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                have you ever witnessed evolution take place? i haven't either so i can't say that it happens

                1. Beelzedad profile image61
                  Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  We have witnessed evolution taking place and so have you. smile

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            mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I maybe a 10 year old...... but my I.Q is probably still higher than yours : )
            just kidding .... being this is supposed to be a friendly debate amongst friends we've never met before

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well I don't do religion or gods. How ya doin? smile

            2. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I'll see your IQ and raise you your hubscore! lol

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              does a peabody have a pea brain?

        2. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So who created Satan?  And who tempted him?  I'll give you one guess! smile

          1. mrpopo profile image86
            mrpopoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Satan tempted himself! tongue

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The scriptures said God created him perfect.  Without a flaw, in other words.  Are you suggesting your god's flawless creation wasn't completely perfect?  Blasphemy!  lol

              1. mrpopo profile image86
                mrpopoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well, you see, err, Satan was so evil that he somehow made himself imperfect just to annoy good ol' God!

                Yes, that's it. Makes perfect sense, that does!

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You must be one of them inteelektuals! I never realised it was that simple. Makes perfect sense. smile

                2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, that's the ticket!  lol

                3. mrpopo profile image86
                  mrpopoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Emphasis on "perfect"! lol

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            mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            you really don't have a CLUE do you ?

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            mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Lucifer.... that  is the name you want to know about.
            Lucifer was the most beautiful Angel in heaven. The Angel of Vanity .He was Gods favorite. He tried to take over Heaven,When God found out, The Lord God stripped Lucifer of his beauty, created a pit of  fire and brimstone and cast Lucifer and his followers into the pit of fire in which God gave to him for his kingdom to rule

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, I know the myth well MP.  The fundies down here had rather refer to him as Satan instead.  So explain how a perfect being, created by a perfect god, could suddenly become imperfect to the extent he succumbed to temptation from_____?  You fill in the blank!  lol

            2. jacharless profile image83
              jacharlessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Mr Peabody, please show me exactly where you found this in the text. I have read the text thoroughly many times and not once is there a mention of such an entity named Lucifer (also called The Devil, Satan --note the use of proper name).

              Also, if --if you rebelled against the Creator of all things, in an attempt to murder him and take his place, would he give you a kingdom and followers? (Also please provide textual reference to where Creator 'set up' a kingdom for this entity.)

              Thank You,

              James.

            3. nightwork4 profile image59
              nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              but if god is all knowing, wouldn't he have not let lucifer be his favorite? it's kind of confusing. didn't god create lucifer perfect and wouldn't god know what lucifer was going to do before he did it? or does this god like making imperfect things and then punish them when they go against his wishes, oh the confusion.

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            mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Lucifer did it to himself . for thinking he could over throw God and be "the boss"

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I though god made him perfect.  Perfect cannot be imperfect no matter how one spins it.  Are you suggesting god didn't know he was creating an imperfect perfect being?  smile

              If Lucifer was perfect then he had no chance at being tempted.  Unless god wanted him to be of course, but then the whole "god knows everything" spiel sorta banishes that thought out.

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              and yet if god was all powerful, he could have destroyed lucifer & save all the hassle with humans sinning & having to go through with getting Jesus killed

              1. kirstenblog profile image77
                kirstenblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Awww but why would he do that? It wouldn't be any fun for the sadist tongue

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          you think dinosaurs are fake?  I doubt many believers these days will say that

        4. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          ...and unicorns, leprechauns and the tooth fairy. Why stop at just believing in one fairy tale?



          That's quite an interesting rationale you have there, you believe in magical beings as real even though they are invisible and undetectable, yet you don't believe in dinosaurs even though the fossilized remains of them are right in front of you.



          That is because humans never evolved from monkeys, that's just silly.



          Wow! An invisible super being created the fossilized remains of dinosaurs to cause doubt in believing in an invisible super being. Truly astounding. smile

      4. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago

        Heaven, your justifications are as crazy as the bible text itself.

        Black is white, up is down, in is out yet you still can't make the lies look any better no matter how many blind religionists work it over and interpret it.

        I have seen this argument played out in full.
        The religionists lost by a massive margin. smile

        Would you like a few hundred more to work on?

        1. heavenbound5511 profile image81
          heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

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          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No, it may convince a religionist or a contortionist at least! lol

          2. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No, Satan is obviously running your life for you, you just do not realize it.  He has caused you to believe you are speaking for god.  How arrogant you are to think that you, of all people, are daring to be the voice of the most powerful force imaginable.

            Why you, exactly?  There are plenty of other people with much better communication skills who could conceivably copy and paste scripture just as well as you.  What a strange god you follow!  smile

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          mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So if this topic upsets so much you why are you here still running your mouth? you have permission to leave

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I doubt anyone is upset about discussing the topic - if the topic actually gets discussed - not spammed with a pile of stolen content

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              mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              please show me stolen content

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                Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Start with this thread.  Take the posts by heavenbound & do a search on it.  There are several more threads started by hb recently - you can find them yourself.

                http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/77195

      5. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago

        Why would anyone believe?

        Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven.  For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.  (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)



            4)  Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him.  Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours.  (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)


        Moved any mountains recently?

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          mr peabodyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          what's the deal pal ? you sure know a lot about the scripture. did your goldfish die when you were a little boy and God would not bring it back to life for you? : )

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You know, Mr Peabody, if you were half as smart as you think you are, you would be twice as smart as you are?

            1. jacharless profile image83
              jacharlessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol ! good one earnest!

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Thank dog!
                Most of the religiously impaired seem to be height challenged as well!

                The jokes keep going over their heads! smile

          2. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Why are you surprised at unbelievers researching the bible?  Many atheists actually know more about the origin and history of the bible than most believers.

            This is because the believers are afraid to question anything to do with their religion. Some call this "blind faith."  Other refer to it as "Blind, deaf, and dumb" faith.  But I'm sure you've researched the very beginnings of the "written word."

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            Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            been here 5 minutes & sarcastic already

      6. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago

        Well, for the record I have read your hubs DJ. smile
        I am always curious about other hubbers and often dig deep in their hubs to know them better. smile

        1. aka-dj profile image79
          aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That was directed @ beelz, but thanks. I appreciate it.
          Didn't vote me down too harshly, I hope. big_smile

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Again, for the record.... I have never even considered voting down your hubs or the hubs of other religious people and would not as a matter of principal

            1. aka-dj profile image79
              aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I was "tongue in cheek" saying.

              I didn't think you were that kind of person.

              Kinda a way of payback for trying to wind me up a couple of days ago. smile

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Moi?
                Surely you jest! lol lol lol

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              Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I've read some of your hubs too, dj.  I always check people out too

      7. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago

        Small blessings! They are not our neighbours.
        Imagine that!! lol

      8. IntimatEvolution profile image82
        IntimatEvolutionposted 5 years ago

        In Oregon  recently a Christian church was vandalized.  Some of you probably heard the story.  A fella that calls himself the "friendly atheist" went onto his website and raised $3,000 for the clean up.  The church did not end up needing the money, but the point is is that instead of chastising their religious neighbors, they reached out to them when they were in need.
        We could all learn a thing or two from that recent incident. 

        Personally as a Christian, I get tired of being chastised by non-believers for having my views, probably as much as non-believers get sick of religious zealouts cramming God down your throats.  Which brings me to this point which is that this typical bantering between sides, gets stale.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'll have you know I use the freshest banter money can buy!  I never shop at the "day old" banter store!  smile

          1. dutchman1951 profile image61
            dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            can you get levan banter?    smile

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          Baileybearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I've checked out the 'friendly atheist's' blog - he seems like a really nice guy.

      9. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago

        As long as zealots peddle we will meddle! lol

      10. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago

        I can pick em can't I? lol

      11. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago

        Get your fresh leven banter here! lol

      12. A.S.K.Preacher profile image60
        A.S.K.Preacherposted 5 years ago

        Without faith it is impossible to please God. Anyone that (wants to see Jesus) must believe He exists and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him. Hebrews

        If you don't believe, why would He bother to show Himself to you?

        1. jacharless profile image83
          jacharlessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          and equally, since you believe and have no faith, why would bother to show himself. That lack of faith is called doctrine.

          Funny, I heard with my own ears one of the top minsters, with 40 years preaching, a doctorate and a flock of some 150,000 say: "There is no evidence of the existence of God except the Bible."

          I was beyond dumbfounded.

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        mr peabodyposted 5 years ago

        hey... Beelzedad  since you like Albert Einstein so much... maybe you should actually read some of his work .... like the book he wrote in 1921 titled              God vs.Science....  I would post a little of it here but you'll probably  start crying  "copy and paste", "copy and paste" "kick them out " "kick them out"
        but it really has a great conversation between a student and his teacher about God. It does demonstrate the power of God to use a student to teach a Teacher

        1. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That is a lie, Einstein wrote no such book nor had any such conversation. Terrible behavior.

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        mr peabodyposted 5 years ago

        I'm still waiting for Earnest to explain Darwin's Theory of Evolution to me, since I only have the understanding level of a 10 year old. That theory is on very shaky ground with the advancements in science technologies over the past 50 years or so

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          Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'm certain Ernest would be happy to oblige but, judging from your posts, it might be an exercise is futility. If you refuse to accept the facts and evidence already available, why would he think you'd listen with an open mind?

        2. Beelzedad profile image61
          Beelzedadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So, you haven't taken the time to do any reading about evolution and are instead fabricating stories, which are thinly veiled, at best. Is that what your god teaches you to do?

      15. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 5 years ago

        thereby, entering into a state of delusion, and breaking from reality.

        ==  ==  - -   ---  =

          thereby entering into a different state of delusion, than the one in which I feel confortable; and breaking from my own delusion, concerning that reality for which I chose to accept long, long ago.

            This is what I understand you to be saying when you were being honest.

        1. getitrite profile image80
          getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I guess if reality is delusion, then you have a point.

          I have to go fly now, see you later...and I mean REALLY FLY.  I can fly now...it's part of my new reality.

      16. jay_kumar_07 profile image61
        jay_kumar_07posted 5 years ago

        I met JESUS many times.
        He will meet you soon for to get cloth.

       
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