I recently wrote a Hub on this topic. Just wanted to hear other people's opinions.
Miracles are subjective to the individual's perception. If the individual isn't properly using their perception, then they will most likely attribute something else, as the explanation for something they do not understand.
Yes, miracles are happening all over the world everyday. If you define a miracle as supernatural or Divine assistance, yes people are receiving help.
It might be helpful if YOU could actually prove divinity exists to begin with.
I define it as energy. Therefore no proof is needed.
Yet, something else you lack understanding about. Opinion? Belief? Knowledge? Wisdom? Truth? Facts? You appear as if everything said to you is opinion. Good luck learning anything with that view.
My English dictionary doesn't define "miracle" as a "divine or supernatural" thing.
It just says that a miracle is just an event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God.
How are you defining a miracle as anything but a concoction of the imagination with no basis in fact?
The English definition says that its an inexplicable event.
Only the religious could connect it to whatever this god thing is.
One of my testimonies of what God has done for me and yes it's a miracle.
I was driving in my car at about 8 months pregnant with my son & had my 4 yr old daughter in the car with me and, I passed out. As I was getting dizzy & was starting to passing out as I was pulling into a dirt driveway, I then completely passed out. So someone stopped to see if I was okay & woke me up. I had hit a small tree & busted the windshield with my head somehow. I seemed fine after the police took me home so I didn't go to the hospital right away. My big stomach had to of hit the steering wheel also, I was 8 months pregnant & big!
Also the police officers didn't give me a ticket. One wanted to, and the other officer didn't.
One more thing I was originally going to take the local highway to get there, like my Husband had given me directions, but I had remembered how to get their another way at the last minute while driving. Good thing I didn't pass out while going 65-70 mph!
Later that night I went to the hospital & I & baby were fine, not even one scratch on me or my head! How did all this go so well?
I started remembering that when I had been working within the month this Christian couple ask if they could pray for me & I said yes & they prayed over me & my son in my belly.
About 2 months after it had happened I was at bible study & the pastors wife had told me that a lady that came to bible study stopped by one day before this accident occurred & said the devil was going to try to kill my baby & they prayed too!
God caused all this to happen, if He hadn't I & my baby would of been hurt or dead!
One last attempt on my sons life was made when I was going into labor, his heartbeat & mine were going down & they performed an emergency c-section. I have 3 kids & only my middle son did I have to have a c-section!
The devil didn't kill him! Thank you JESUS!
People need to have a balance I think saying there should be know faith is crazy and saying all I depend on is faith is crazy. The things that can go wrong just relying on faith and a all mighty being is that people can have wars over who is right. Also genocide and rape. But you can't use simply reason because then everything is fair and approached with the same even objectivity. If you kill,, then I kill that's not fair at all. So there most be a balance between faith and reason in fact, from a philosophical stand point we use both everyday. Even if you disagree with faith or reason we need both to thrive.
Do you refer to actions/occurrences that violate the physical laws of our universe or simply those that we don't understand the exact mechanics of?
The first hasn't happened since the big bang.
The second is so common as to be not worth mentioning. While mankind is well known to make up a multitude of reasons for things they don't understand (magic, voodoo, God did it, etc.) it all boils down to "I dunno!". Not a miracle in the sense that it violates the rules of the universe; only one in the sense that we don't know what happened.
Probably a 'MIRACLE' is in the mind of the beholder. I can I say my mere existence is a miracle, or as someone said to me yesterday, "Look at my arm; it is a miracle".
Yes. They do. I have been a reciever of such an event, and it is only through a miracle of God, that I am alive today and here to irritate hubbies.
And that is a fact! Even my doctors are bewildered by it and can attribute it to nothing else but. I have discussed it with them in depth, and every aspect of it is miraculous to them and myself... including my awaking and getting to the hospital in time to die there, (as I live an hour fromthe Hosp. and it take the ambulance 45 mins to get to my house), and not at home.
My cardiologists and and all the other doctors were in mr room in the ICU amazed at what had occurred on that day. None of them could, or would even try to, explain it.
TMMason, Praise God. You have a great testimony. No one could have done it but God.
It was all the Lord God, and no-one but!
The last thing on my lips was a prayer, and I am proud and happy to say it.
He is a great and wonderful God and does not refuse anyone help if they seek Him and ask. I have not been the best man in life... nor the worst... but... I do not believe I should have been helped, in my opinion, many better than me are dying every day, but it was His will, and He showed me His his mercy an allowed me to see what I saw and come back to try to be better. (at irritating the hubbies )
I am not ashamed in the least, that as I lay there totally helpless, He was with me, and He chose to let me stay, (and irritate the hubbies). I will say it was one of the best experiences in my life, and I now believe that everyone should die once in their life, it is an eye-opener and life changing experience.
I was on the hosp. gerney and talking to my mother who had rushed there to see me, and as I went up on my elbow to talk to her, I said "my hearts freakiing out"... my vision closed in from the sides to blackness, not a tunnel-more like a set of sliders sliding closed-, at which point I was on my left knee, one leg set to stand up, and as I rose up to look around I was on a hill, sloping downward out to the horizon, green grass - blue sky - full of fluffy white clouds, and I just couldn't believe what I was seeing... I turned my head all around to take in the view... it was beautiful, calm, clear and crisp... the colors were so vivid and a feeling of peace and calm, no pian or worry... a slight breeze was blowing past me, not hot not cold, but it seemed to be quite re-assuring in it's touch as it moved across my body blowing something against my skin and out in its force past me... I looked down at myself and I was dressed in a ankle length gray ?... it reminded me of what the old Bible movies have the Jews dressed in, a cloak?.. or something, no hood and I could feel it woolin like on my skin... I touched myself and wrapped my hand around my arm and it was me... the solidity of my body was even more real than it is right now... I thought... nothing, no thoughts at all about this world and no worries as to why I was where I was... I could feel an energy, a presence surrounding me, I realized it was that breeze... it was giving off an impression of love and peace, the desire to trust in this presence came so naturally... I felt as if someone was telling me not to worry... that all was fine and this was just another step...I felt like I was going HOME!... I had thought to move forward even though I had no desire to leave that hill and where ever it was I was... I had just begun to try to move forward... but something seemed to push me back ever so slightly... not rough... justy enough to cease ny forward motion and make me wait there... that was the impression I got from that force which was still blowing around me and past... it seemed to tell me to "wait"... then it seem to all of a sudden become more of a gust... and turned very warm... almost hot... then it blasted past and around me and seem to pick me up and drag me backwards... then bam!... I was on my back on the gurney in the Hosp.
I had thought I went to get up and say something to the doctor... and once again found myself standing on that hill... but that wind once again seemed to say "no" and bring me back... I was back very quickly again and on that gurney with electric shocks blasting through my body... I was not alive at that point because I was clinically dead for the entire 75 minutes, and with the exception of a few heart-beats here and there... a total of about 20 all in all spread through the entire time... I was dead, no brain activity, nor anything else. But to this day I know I felt the pain of those shocks... over and over again for long minutes... and they hurt and burned like hell... then I heard someone say, "put him out, the poor guys is being tortured"...
I had thought that maybe I had come back to life for a few minutes here and there, I had heard that voice and felt the pain... but the doctors assured me that didn't happen and that I was gone. The read-out from the defillbralator shows no heart-beat and the monitors showed no brain activity... there was a point in time where I was freaking out on the gurney, I thought?... as I said I could feel massive amounts of pain and burning heat, but again I was told that was not so, I was dead... I heard someone say at one point "put him out,... torturing the poor guy"... but the doctors said that no one said any such thing in that room... so I guess maybe my spirit was a lil freaky in those moments and maybe someone working for God said it and decided I should be allowed to rest till the end of it. I don't know?... I would like to think it was my guardian angel and he felt for my spirit while it weas in the throes of, anxiety... angst... confusion... pain... burning heat... I don't know... but as I said who-ever it was decided I should rest till the rest of the incident passed.
I woke up in the ICU, intervated and hooked to all kinds of monitors...I wanted up, so I was trying to rip the tubes out of my mouth.. eventually after about 1 hour 45 minutes they removed it... they had thought they had medicated me enough to keep me out for hours if not till the next day... but I woke up anyways... and with absolutely no injuries to my chest and no bad affects from the experience at all. I was up and walking within minutes and talking, thinking and all the normal things we as people do.
I had gone through 75 minutes of CPR, atripine, epi, over 100+ cardio-version shocks... and who knows what else... and I was perfectly fine, not a bruise, nor a cracked chest plate, nor any pain from the experience at all. There is no way I can explain the feeling and thoughts impressed upon me by that presence... but it is an amazing thing... I wish I could but I have no words for them.
God is Great! And yes i was a Christian before this and still am strong in my faith... even more so now. GOD is GREAT! And I give abundant thanks Jesus Christ my Saviour, for having brought me to GOD and sharing His love with me.
(and for allowing me to stay here and irrates the hubbies. ) GOD bless all of you... even the Atheists and Leant Leftists, and Muslims... and everyone.
Sorry about the typos I have not wrote or discussed this at all and had to pour it out onto the page. Sorry. I don't want to re-read an edit it right now... I hope it suffice and helps any hwo think death is the end... it is not... even Death bends knee to the Lord God in Heaven.
Wow, What a Great testimony! No one can touch what God has done for you. Give God all the Glory.
Fascinating story, TMM - thanks for sharing. Glad you made it through to "irritate the hubbies"
The medical work done with no ill effects is pretty unusual, but the "out of body" (for lack of a better term) experience I always find fascinating. Interesting that you didn't see the white light that so many report, but rather a pastoral outdoor scene. Do you enjoy such places and are they common to you?
I live in florida... but it looks nothing like the hill I was on and the scene I was in. I dunno?... It still has me a lil boggled. I have no idea why I am here when so many who are so much better than i are not... (i guess it is to irratate the hubbies )
I get a kick from you comment there.
I'm in the mountains myself (that and desert) but would find that kind of scene enjoyable, pleasant and peaceful as well. Pictures? Past personal experience? I don't know, but kind of think that many people would find it the same.
I recently watched a video where a common pellet gun was used to shoot a pellet directly at a man. He not only managed to move out of the way (very unusual for anyone) but drew sword and cut the pellet in half as it passed him. Obviously impossible.
People have trained themselves to tolerate cold to the point where they can march through snow for distances that, at best, would cause severe frostbite to anyone else if not death. Obviously impossible
Winter olympics biathlon (X-country skiing, target shooting) athletes commonly train themselves to override the autonomic functions controlling heartbeat to radically slow their heart rate after extreme exercise in order to shoot. Obviously impossible
My point is that we are just beginning to understand the tip of the capabilities of the human body. Add the in the brain that controls all those capabilities and our knowledge is naught but a pin prick in what is available.
When your body performed those "miraculous" actions and no one could even come close to explaining them your reaction is to promptly declare that they were "miracles from God" even though we have very little idea of what the body and brain can do. What you have done is declared "I'm ignorant and therefore it is a miracle from God". A complete breakdown of logical thought and reason.
Rather the reason should have been "I dunno", just as I posted above.
Your welcome to see it as you want, wild.. I spent half my life placing logic and reason above faith... and I won't fall to that trap again. Faith has its place and reason and logic cannot dis-place it.
I understand perfectly the science they say is behind death and the experiences which come with it... and I don't buy it.
A difference in thought and viewpoint for sure. I would strongly suspect that had your body been thoroughly dissected and studied, as close to the cellular level as possible, that reasons could have been found. Or least possibilities.
Faith has no place in the world of reason, fact and truth. As I see it.
Well said Mason.
Faith cannot be dethroned by the chair (reason/knowledge). and why would it want to, as faith rests on the mercy Seat, in the 'vacuum' of Grace. Faith exceeds knowing, by understanding; something many lack within the fold, because of a lack of instruction. Faith is Wisdom is logic/philos. The processor of, with regard to humanity, is the human mind. That's its job --pun intended. It job is to process the intangible to the tangible, making the stuff hoped for manifest as the evidence of that intangible.
Yes miracles still happen. I have witnessed miracles from God in my life and in the lives of others.
Miracles are not magic, they are manifestations based on the desire of a persons heart. Miracles are immediate interventions for the borderline believing and for the edification of MANY not just the individual.
Seeing "Mary", an Angel in the sky or a statue bleed is not a miracle.
When a person is unable to see a harvest come by sowing good seed, sometimes Creator intervenes, be it food for the masses, healing, strength, speed, languages, etc, etc.
Great story TM: Thanks. I have also left my body about 30 years. Call it whatever but it is a life-changing experience or transcension of the material.
This is one of the concept I study in college my minor is philosophy. Miracles are based upon faith and understanding. Yet, interpretation is important because another person might think that your miracle was a natural occurrence. But the ability to have faith in a miracle is just as positive as not believing in them at all.Reason being is a miracle can help someone get threw life as if there is something helping them out. Yet, not believing at all can be positive because you are not reliant on nothing but one's own self. That's deep I know, but personally I think miracles are things that can't be explained, but the much larger question is there an existing force helping humanity out. That is a guess for each one of use to decide?
People can believe whatever they want personal preference. It is in dealing with others and one's environment that rationality should prevail.
I find your comments very interesting, considering some of you speak of miracles philosophically and others from an evolutionary point of view, and others strictly from a christian view.
What I truly find interesting, is at some point, they all started from nothing, they all were created by someone or something. My personal belief is GOD.
Even those that talk about the Big Bang theory. Those two spheres that collided had to start from something or someone.
jstfishinman, Exactly. You hit the nail on the mark.
Two spheres? What two spheres?
If you are referring to the one, zero dimensional, point that was the big bang it could have come from the universe after it collapsed. Or it could have always been there. Or it could have come from nothing (there is no law we are aware of that requires a cause for the big bang). Or it could have been manufactured by a god from some other universe or place.
Ex nihil nihile...
We do know that nothing comes from nothing. We can observe it... or not... same thing in the end though, from nothing, nothing.
As far as the big bang or the big bounce, there still had to be a starting point, an action or influence of some sort. We know all things that we can observe have a starting point... and we can observe the physical universe.
I had not known you were a top notch physicist, TMM. Congratulations.
Actually, the premier physicists in the world are on record as stating that there is no requirement for a cause of the big bang. (Bang, not bounce. A typo I assume as I know you would never revert to simple derision to promote an argument).
I confess that I don't completely understand it either, just as you don't understand the details of your God. Of course, I can't see an electron bouncing around a nucleus and my understanding is that the placement (within its orbit) is without reason or cause either. It is random, which means no cause.
I am not sure if you were being sarcastic or not... but thank you wild.
And yes. I have heard of the, "big bounce" theory, stating that this universe is not the first. That once the expansion limit is hit, gravity kicks in and draws it all to a singularity once more till another big bang occurrs.
What I find fascinating is that nothing exists till we recognize it to be something on the quantum level... in affect we create reality.
I love science. I don't claim to be any typoe of one, but I love it and read as much of it as I can.
too many mistake science as in the biussines to prove or dis-prove God, it isn't.
My apologies - although I am familiar with what you term the bounce theory, I have never heard it called that. It appears to be losing out anyway - current thinking seems to be that expansion will continue until the universe is cold and dead with little effect from gravity. Too bad - occams razor always seemed to me to point to that endless bounce.
Can't agree, though, that our recognizing things on the quantum level creates them, any more than finding a new planet creates it. Philosophy is not my bag, and that appears to be what that concept is. That mankind can postulate, theorize about, detect or even understand a thing does not create that thing.
The job of science is to understand all things around us. If God is there, then science has a legitimate claim to try to understand how it/he/she functions and what God is all about. If religion could ever provide even slight actual evidence of such a being then science should follow that evidence to wherever it leads. It is not the task, however, to disprove the existence of God - leave that to the philosophers that can at least define what the word means.
I am just bringing them up in conversation, Wild. No need to apologize, I do not buy every theory I hear also, big bounce, and the quantum creation stuff either... but they are something to think on. I enjoy roaming through the mind. It is a lot better world then this one at times.
No, one can't buy into every wild theory that comes along.
Roaming through the mind. It is why I chat on here, mostly - to stretch what little I have.
Although sometimes I think that even that little bit is on leave. Or, more likely, AWOL. :0
No I couldn't, E. But that doesn't equate to the universe coming from nothing either. One doesn't prove or dis-prove the other.
How u doing today/
That was an answer E. Science cannot dis-prove God and is not in the bussiness to do such. Niether could it Prove God, and it isn't looking to.
My faith is my faith, I know science has some of the answer to how things occur... but not all... nowhere near all.
My favorite quote is... "What science doe not know, is infinitly more than what science does know". It sums it perfectly. We look we see... we can measure, we can study, but there is much yet that cannot see and do not know. And theories change all the time E. We know what we call laws in science can break down on other levels... so to think we know a lot, is just not right and a stumbling block in my opinion.
Well TM, there is a lot to know. I understand you believe in your death experience and assign it to your god.
What I don't understand is how you could believe that a loving entity saved your miserable ass while allowing millions of other good people to die a horrible death, without considering that to be a wee bit megalomanic.
My experience of near death is entirely godless.
I can give you a perfectly reasonable explanation as to what happens when we "die" and why our brain produces the imagery and beliefs it does at that time.
It starts with too much fear and pain to cope with consciously.
A galvanic probe can bypass the process, the process is understood and testable.
I have explained it a dozen times, left links, got no replies,
I already said I grapple with that E... did you read the post?
I am not sure other than to assign it to some purpose I am unaware of. Would that necessarilly be a great purpose, no. It could be something so small as to be unnoticable by me, but its affect could turn out to be a great thing... as I said, I dunno?
Or it may not have been my time, period.
You can call that what you want E.
And I have read the science... a lot of the science... I do not buy it.
There was no 'Big Bang' thus:
"Actually, the premier physicists in the world are on record as stating that there is no requirement for a cause of the big bang.", there is black holes and dark matter the evidence of which is all invisible.
Your first sentence is correct - there is no known reason for there to be an actual causal effect behind the big bang. This statement does not address the big bang, just the cause behind it.
There are indeed black holes, for which there is very definite evidence which is visible and measurable. Gravity, the bending of light, etc. are all evidence and all detectable. That we cannot actually see such a thing is immaterial - we cannot see most of the planets we know of. We simply know they are there by the effect we can see that they produce.
Dark matter is only a debated theory as of yet, and is evidenced only by the effect that it causes. The (apparently) gravitational force created by it is, as far as I know, the only description we have of it. The actual "thing" termed dark matter may well turn out not to be a thing at all.
I haven't read through these so...Einstein said, "Either everything is a miracle or nothing is." But the inexplicable is ever a part of life.
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