GOD is not the cause.

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   hotice7posted 12 years ago

   alot of people think the lord is doing all this bad in the world,tell me what
   do you think.

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      recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      As there is no god it is clearly all the people doing the bad stuff, shame that most of it is in the name of some mythical god or other isn't it.
      
      The sooner religious spammers get banned, along with the Viagra and ipod spammers, the better.

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         earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Amen to that!

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      Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It was written that God was going to turn the earth over to mankind and the beast that he builds for himself.
      
        Ssoooo    Nobody should be suprised???????

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It is the humans doing all bad in this world who follow Satan or their negative desires.

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      qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hotice;
      
      I can't even consider the question.
      
      what the heck is this "lord" thing you mention???
      
      Qwark

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      Dave Mathewsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I believe these people are totally
      misinformed.  God is a God of love and compassion. God is Love. God could never and would never do badness against his children who he created, not even as a punishment for disobedience.
      
      Satan seeks to destroy that which God created. Satan will try and tell you that it is God's fault but in truth it is satan who arranges disasters of all kinds, not God. It is satan who will talk you into doing wrong, or taking shortcuts, or not listening to God. Satan is the author of all that is evil and deceitful and dangerous, and if you choose to take his way over God, you will come out the loser every time.

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      andycoolposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      God is not the cause... absolutely correct, but that God lives in you... and in you... and in you!
      
      Actually the Satan is the cause, and that Satan also lives in you... and in you... and in you!
      
      None of you hold 100 per cent of God or 100 per cent of Satan.
      
      If you hold 75 per cent of God and 25 per cent of Satan you're a holy human.
      
      Else you're an unholy human and you're 75 per cent responsible for all the evils...
      
      

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         OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Then I find this interesting.
         Isaiah 45:7
         King James Version (KJV)
         
         I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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            andycoolposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Okay, but that 'I' is no cosmic power... it's all human. So no LORD please! And if there has to be some LORD, one can transform oneself close to HIM / HER by changing oneself (reducing the Satan part and increasing the God part). 

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               OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It's right out of the bible.

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      ibneahmadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      To reward the humans who do good; the Creator God has created good and evil; those who do good deeds are rewarded and those who don't do good deeds, they are not entitled to any rewards.
      
      I think it is fair.

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   wildernessposted 12 years ago

   As the lord is doing nothing at all in the world I conclude that he is not doing the bad.
   
   Just people that (sometimes) claim they are doing it for him.

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   HattieMattieMaeposted 12 years ago

   no that is pure man's ego, and selfishness, greed, etc. God don't have nothing to do with it!

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      HattieMattieMaeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      um does that mean you want me banned recommend!

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         recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Wrong thread - get yourself over to the right place and I will double ban you if you like

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   The Stages Of MEposted 12 years ago

   I think when we get to see the bad in the world we then realize we are not in control.  Once we get there, we then realize all the beauty of our Lord in every trial and in every minute of our day and night. As the days go on the attacks will be great but the LOVE of God will be ever present if we just stay steadfast in the promise and the respect of the cross.

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   RockerGingerposted 12 years ago

   We were put on this earth for a purpose: to be tested. To see how strong our faith is. Are we true followers of the Lord, or are we all doubting Thomas'?

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      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      No we weren't  To believe that you must also understand either:
      
      1.  As God already knows the results of that test (his perfection built you, he knows what you can do, and in any case already knows everything as he is omniscent).  He must, then, be a sadist, enjoying the pain he causes or allows to be inflicted on you.
      
      OR
      
      2.  God made about as many mistakes as there are people when he made them, and must therefore test them to see what they can do.  This means that God is not omnipotent, is not omniscient and a bumbling idiot to boot, playing with forces he knows nothing of.
      
      Neither portrayal is of an entity I would care to worship.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   I find the interesting title doesn't go along with most religious beliefs. However, let me just say- if you are religious and/or have/hold a belief in a god, then your god would be in fact the cause.
   
   Any believer wants to argue that? Do try to remember, your god is everywhere and IN everything thing, and created everything. Not to mention, he already knew the outcome of his own actions, before he even did them, so he knew what humankind would do.
   
   Personally, there isn't a god. The highest authority one can have is over self and no other authority would be required.
   
   Full responsibility and accountability. No god needed for both to happen.

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      OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I believe God did create the beauty in the world and that man destroys it.  At the same rate natural disasters are also from God to which we do not fully understand the purpose.  Of course people have the choice to help one another through it if they choose.

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Good for you. However, I see you're like most, who refuse to blame the cause, for the effects of it's actions. Not surprising. You claim a god created it, yet you blame others which were created by your god? If man was made in the image of a god, then apparently it/she/him isn't too bright.
         Conjecture at best, considering humankind know why natural disasters happen and what causes them. The "purpose" of them? It all in the learning about them for us. Nothing mystical or no mystery involved.
         Choice is all you do have, and what you do with that choice literally defines your character.

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            DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            AGREED!!!

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            OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Not too sure what you mean here.  But I do agree that people often are to blame for things that happen in this world and to each other.  And I did blame God for those kinds of natural disasters but at the same rate everything happens for a reason, even if we don't know it.  But to blame God for the actions of an individual doesn't make sense.  We were created as free beings who can think the way we want.  We were never created to be controlled or to be "robots"

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You didn't blame a god for natural disasters, you claim it/she/he causes them, which is something you believe, isn't actually true.
               
               You didn't blame a god for it's creation, knowing full well what it would do?, so NO you're not blaming the cause.
               
               If anything, your argument has turned against you, because within a few words, you claim people have choices and are not robots? But, if a god controls the environment? Then, doesn't that said god, then control the choices granted to the servant? Like a master and slave.
               
               If people have choices, which I say they do, and YOU are advocating for humans to make better choices?, then are you not advocating full responsibility and accountability of oneself?
               
               If so, then there is no need for a god, because the highest authority would be self.

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                  OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Causing and blaming, as you put it, are the same to me. But if there are people effected by a natural disaster, that God caused, then other people could assist.  That is their choice.  And just as you say about God controlling the environment it is our responsibilty to do what we can after that.  I didn't mean to imply that people are not responsible for their actions and in fact I think I was clear that people make their own choices.  And to me God is not a need but a reality.

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                     Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     
                     Every action or inaction is a choice.
                     Um...huh? My statement is about the supposed god you claim to think exists controlling our environment? You only THINK a god controls, without actually knowing what controls "Nature".
                     
                     Nice to see you have all the answers.
                     
                     As for our responsibility? I find it ironic, you seem to belief people are responsible for Nature now? When it's supposedly your god controlling it. You seem to be unable to make up your mind on many things, much less, know what is actually reality.
                     I understood that, but apparently my point was dismissed by you, either out of vanity/ego or just poor comprehension.
                     I guess you don't know yourself all that well and now having that knowledge, it will mean, you cannot be trusted. Good to know.

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                        OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Oh my.  Ok let me be a bit clearer here.  I believe that when a tornado strikes or an earthquake or flood, etc (natural disasters) that God is the cause of this.  It is His doing, for whatever reason.  When people choose to help by donating food, time money, etc that is their choice and our choice as the human race.  And maybe I did miss your point so try me again.

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                           Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Conjecture.
                           Again, conjecture.
                           This only points to compassion.
                           The only point I made, is self is it's own authority, and it's derived by actions. Your statement with regards to god not being a need, but is a reality, is pure conjecture. So far, from the collective knowledge available to humankind, no god presently exists. You believe one exists, but nothing supports your claim, including the million and half others who believe intelligent design theory.
                           
                           Ultimately, no god is required or even needed, for one to be it's own authority. It is the highest authority possible and logically. You living your life, to some other authority, then you are not being responsible and/or accountable, to yourself above all. And, if you're not being responsible and accountable to yourself, then it shows you are not truly being honest with other people, because you are not truly honest with yourself. Therefore, follows the conclusion- you do not love yourself, which shows your actions do not contain love in them. Before you can love others, you must first love(accept) self.
                           
                           Sorry, that's just the way it is.

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                              andycoolposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Awesome Cagsil... I only request to make it a bit simple for most of us... we can't digest that heavy a meal. Thanks!

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                              OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Lots of conjecture on your part.  I don't love myself or take responsibility and not being honest with myself.  Wow maybe you should stick with what you know about yourself.  And maybe I'll remind you that proof or lack of doesn't mean that God does or doesn't exist.  Sorry but that is just the way it is.

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                                 Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Really? Like what exactly? I realize I said a lot, but what part was conjecture?
                                 Yes, you don't. You're conflicted. Not to mention, it's already known that your ego is most likely in your way, which it is for almost everyone. Very few, can actually see beyond themselves. And, if you're thinking, I cannot, try again. I wrote a hub on it and if I could do as I say, then I wouldn't succeeded in writing the hub.
                                 Actually, I don't have to stick with what I know about myself. I learn from everyone and everything that goes on in my life. This conversation isn't the first we've had and I'm pretty sure it won't be the last either.
                                 No logic does the job without any effort. Logic provides all the proof required.
                                 Nice try at using something I said against me. Your conflicted nature shines right through. Thank you for showing off your true character. Always good to know, what type of person one is dealing with.

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                                    OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Lots of cliches but no much said.  Conjecture is when you make such big assumptions about me.  Try sticking to the topic.  You make claims but  why not explain where I contradicted myself.  I've clearly stated my point of view and where you make your assumption.  Now it time for you to do the same or just keep to your hubs. Maybe you just can understand the concept about disasters and helping the victims.

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   Its been my observation that the only people who think god is responsible for bad things are the ones who have never been adversely effected by a natural disaster. If they are in one, they ask god why he let it happen. They don't ask why he did it.

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      OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It is natural to ask God these things.  Those are the kind of things we should be asking Him. But a person might be of weak faith to stop believing.  Just because bad things happen doesn't mean there isn't a God or a purpose.  And to assume that just because a person believes that they've never had tragedy is a very big stretch.  In fact for some it even strengthens their faith.

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I'm sure there are those whose faith is strengthened by tragedy. But, I do see a lot of people who believe the hand of god is in disaster and they unkindly believe that tragedy strikes the wicked. I don't understand that, since when it happens to them they see it in a different light.

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            OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That is true that some people believe that a natural disaster is a punishment; however I am not one of them.

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   SidKempposted 11 years ago

   I would suggest that, if we believe there is a God, let us recognize a God of Love and Wisdom, and not blame him for bad things. If we do not believe in a god, then we don't blame him.
   
   Let's not blame Satan, either, even if there is such a being.
   
   Whether or not there is a God, and whether or not there is a Satan, each human being is responsible for learning to see clearly, learning to love, and learning to live in Wisdom. If we all do this, life will be Heaven on Earth.
   
   So, if you believe that the world is a battle between God and Satan, choose love in action.
   If you believe that there is no god and no satan, choose love in action.
   If you believe, as I do, that there is a God, but that the opposite of God is not Satan, but fear and confusion, choose love in action.
   
   When we all put love into action in wise ways, the world becomes a wonderful place.

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