Shouldn't God be on Earth today? I mean...hasn't God always come on Earth when we were in trouble. Today there is so much injustice in this world. Why does God not want to help? Do you think He will come again on Earth some day? Or is it all just 1 BIG myth?
I guess that would depend on what "god" is and how one defines the word "god".
If you actually go by Jesus' teachings, which he states that all are gods, then the world is full of them already.
If you are going by your own definition? Then who knows what you might be thinking.
That's what myths claim.
It might be better if you try to figure out "why" there is so much injustice in the world? Basically, it boils down to individual responsibility and accountability...or shall I say, lack of.
It might have something to do with "god" not existing in the first place.
A non-existent god is going to come to Earth? Never mind again.
It's all one big joke is what it is.
The truth is that there are a lot of things which take place on this earth which are not the will of God. Just because something happens here on earth, does not mean that it was God's will that it happened that way. If it were, then it means that every time a woman is raped, or a child is molested, or a father is murdered... then it would have to be the will of God. That kind of thinking is absolutely absurd! If God willed such things, it would make Him out to be a terrible god who has no love in his heart! It would make Him out to be a liar, because His Word tells us that He is love, and that He desires good things for us.
What about the part of the bible that states that god wiped out all but 8 of mankind....was that love too?)
Or that he said to kill your child if they misquote him?
or the other 35,00 odd threats, killings, rapes, murders, tortures and more that god commands, are they all love as well?
What if The Theory of the Evolution of Man is true but not entirely
What about that elusive “little” MISSING LINK ?
What IF ? God created man by any number of methods? then ethnically cleansed our planet with a "Flood?" Yep mass murder if we want to call it that. For God, ... the end does justify the means!
But the flood didn't work 100% effectively?
There was a stow-away on the ship. One of Noah's daughter-in-laws carried a "BAD" jean. which is where Goliath inherited his size.
I could carry this kind of concept all the way through scriptures and I think that it would make more sense than the way religion teaches it today.
Just because we interpret scriptures incorrectly doesn't mean that the scriptures themselves are incorrect.
I dunno Jeremy, those are pretty long bows to draw aren't they?
Discovery channel is showing us what evidence we do have these days, introducing good quality research.
The refutable aspects of revolution are scientific questions that are being answered and denying evolution is gone, finished, their is enough strong, peer reviewed refutable evidence to sink the ark and growing daily as cultures are being tracked back with better data than has ever been collected before.
These days historical documentaries are either well supported by empirical evidence or dead before they get off the ground.
Even the religious documentaries are admitting they were wrong about things that many posters here still cling to as truth.
When reading my post I noticed that I wasn't very clear about what I meant. The God created man part ???
altered DNA ? ,,,, interbreeding? what ever means available being the explanation for that missing link.
I don't have a clue Jerami, I do know there are still a lot of holes to fill in evolution and theories of the Universe, and even the local life that is being discovered like predatory plants that can smell their host,and such discoveries are being made faster than ever before.
"I Wouldn't be dead for quids" as we say, in such exciting times!
Earnest, I just do not have a problem combining scientific theories and biblical stories "IF" we pitch 99.9% of all interpretations of scripture into the wind.
Actually that 99.9% in inaccurate. Pitch all interpretations into the wind.
A thing can be stated and understood without being interpreted.That is very, very, very hard to do, but with much effort it can be done.
I agree, we should be able to read and understand anything written.
I find the connection between scripture and science tenuous at best as science has that one big difference.
It must be refutable to endure the scrutiny of scientific method, not something one can apply to scripture in any way that I can see, and arrive at any conclusions..
I think that I can agree with that post.
I also think that scripture can be fused with science and stand side by side with it.
But be very very careful to NOT overstate the statement.
Do not add to nor take away from that which is stated.
We can also misinterpret FACTS to imply conclusions that simply are not stated as fact. or something like that ???
I would have thought if god was going to show his face he would have done so during the Dark Ages. But not now. Our situations here today do not even compare to the bad situations of the yester'years.
I am on Earth and let me tell you Religion was all faked to try and divert attention from my porn stash! I wish I hadn't have done it now what with all the wars and such....
@Gillme, God has always been here.
If you approach God as a Homo sapiens body (or worse, as ego), then you're not going to get anywhere. You're not going to get a response. Why? Because God is not interested in your ego or your temporary vehicle (Homo sapiens body).
When you show humility and love to God, you awaken your spiritual component. This is where things like forgiveness and miracles are possible.
God's purpose isn't to coddle us. That would not achieve His purpose. He wants his children back. For this to happen, they need to awaken. For them to awaken, they need to forsake ego. For this to happen, they need to be humble, loving and faithful (not believing, but perfect "paramita" confidence).
All right, you're likely asking, how do I know this?
Easy. I've been to that "place" (state of spirit), though all too briefly. I have seen the physical universe without the use of Homo sapiens eyeballs. I have used our native spiritual ability to ignore the laws of physical reality (miracle). That's nothing special; we can all do it.
And the troubles on Earth? A necessary evil to help us wake up. Some won't get the hint and will follow ego more fervently -- creating divisiveness like so many skeptics have always done. Karma needs to play out. The once mafia don who wallowed in selfishness may now be the infant victim of terrorism. But each such tragedy is merely an opportunity for the sleeping immortal within to awaken.
The divine interventions of which you speak happen occasionally, but only to help us have the greatest opportunities to awaken.
All prayers are answered instantaneously and in the affirmative. Most people merely do not know how to pray. Their attention is usually on that which they fear, rather than that for which they think they are asking. Such prayer requires perfect ("paramita") confidence, utter humility, and full responsibility. Most people aren't used to this "attitude" and find it difficult to replicate. So, they never "see" God.
Yes, that would be either a delusion, dream or a fantasy because we both know for a fact none of that is true.
All we would need to do is shift the medium from this forum to any live situation and you'd be immediately hauled away to the nearest institution.
What a pile lonestar!
No prayer has ever been proven answered by any invisible mythical entity!
If there was there would be a billion religionists on Fox claiming it happened to them!
Other experiences like the one you have mentioned before can be attributable to syncronicity, or any of a hundred other causes.
The least likely cause of anything would be that a mythical god from the bronze aged myth dunnit.
Sorry to interrupt this profound discussion, but am sort of lost. Can any of you tell me how far it is from here to the edge of the universe? Hold on, am online with Steven (Hawking), "what, you don't know?" , well don't worry about it! Sorry, you were saying?
The Creator God is as much on Earth as in the skies; He is everywhere with His attributes.
One thing I have noticed about all of us here is we all have opinions, some of us have a few convictions, but hard cold facts are few and far between. Maybe, we are not looking for answers, but to promote "our" bag of beliefs. If God were to post an answer in any of these forums, I bet He would have few, if any, agree with what He said. If I were God, and I were on this earth, I'd be silent too, until I found someone that wanted to listen.
Lets say that if anyone says that the universe is X by Y by Z in size, then that size would have to be contained in another space.
So lets see that other space and ask what is its dimensions. If again someone says that its dimension is so & so, then it means that the other space too has to be contained in yet another space.
You can go on like this forever and yet not have an answer. But do not worry, because even the most advanced scientists of today, and in any near or distant future will not be able to answer.
The point is that this incomprehensible fact is why we believe that there is some mind blowing power out there. Throughout the ages people have tried to name this power. Need I say more.
But let me tell you a story: There was this proud King who believed that he was indeed the greatest ever. To confirm that for a fact, he called all the wise men in his kingdom and asked them to tell him who was greater, he or God. They asked him for time to consider this profound question. After due consideration they were called back in a week for the answer. The oldest of the sages told him that he was greater. The shrewd King asked him for proof. The sage said "You are the greater because you can throw us out of your kingdom, but God cannot"
Why? because there is nowhere to go outside of God or that mindblowing power. God is everywhere.
Just another (typical) thread that proves to me I"m glad to be out of theses, so called, "discussions".
Glad to see everyone having lots of fun.
The answers and views are truly AMAZING.
I think He's laughing too.
Who is 'He' ?
refer to "I think He's laughing too"
Please enlighten us.
Hi there! Nice of you to join the discussion.
Dear 'A Troubled Man'
You are contained in your home, which is contained in some locality, which is contained in a town or city, which is contained in a state, which is contained in a country, which is contained in a continent, which is contained on this earth, which is contained in the solar system, etc, etc, go on to universe, which is contained in ???????????
Therefore if you give a size to the universe, then it has to be contained in another space ad infinitum.....
You both begin with assumptions that may pan out to be wrong. We can only see to the edge of the observable universe; so we have no way of determining how large the universe truly is. You can't measure the size of something that you cannot see to the end of. You can't speculate what it might be expanding into until you can clearly define what the full extent of it is.
Everything we believe to be true concerning the universe is based on incredibly brilliant theories that are the very best guesses that can be made with the information we have at hand, but the study of the universe is still in its infancy.
Oh, I see, you have a problem trying to understand why the universe, is the last "container" in the chain of what is "contained" within it. You're assuming there is something bigger than our universe and it is just part of that whole. You further assume that your "containment" theory goes on ad infinitum.
Whether it does go on or not, what point are you trying to make?
You do not need to be a scientist nor do you need extraordinary intelligence to figure out that the universe as we call it, is infinite. The universe just cannot have any size.
Scientists say the universe is "finite" but has no boundaries as it continues to expand.
What point are you making here?
The scientist seem to be saying that there is a space in which their finite universe is expanding. They seem to be saying that their universe is one in which planetary bodies exist. Ask them what they know about the SPACE in which they suppose their universe is expanding.
The POINT is that if something can expand, then it needs a space in which to expand. Ask how big that space is.
No, scientists are NOT saying that there is a space into which our universe is expanding.
Got a link to prove what you write is true? A study we can read? I find what you write completely contradictory to logic.
But, it isn't common sense and it isn't anything scientists are saying. Get your facts straight.
What? That's your supporting link to what you stated to be a fact about the universe. I have better scientific evidence than that nonsense in my cats litter box. You've got to be kidding me.
I find that highly doubtful that your cat's litter box is lined with scientific papers on the topic. Posting insults without substance is a bit of a waste of a post. He has a point. How the expansion of the universe is explained is somewhat counter intuitive, therefore following the line of common sense would lend credence to his posts.
Instead of offering insult, you might grace us with your expansive knowledge on the subject.
Thank you Emile!
What's that they say about those who throw insults? Never mind.
I said it is plain commonsense because it is so obvious. If you or scientists are saying that the universe is expanding, then it needs the space to expand. RIGHT?
And it seems like it does have the space to expand into. RIGHT?
I am asking you if your scientists have a dimension of that space into which the universe is expanding.
Then if they do, can they please tell us what is beyond the dimensions of that space?
I am not asking any scientists, I am asking YOU!
Wrong, the universe does not need anything to expand into.
Space is the distance between objects, so if there is nothing to reference, then the question becomes a moot point.
I have to tell you, A Troubled Man is right; but as I said the explanation of the expansion is counter intuitive at first glance. Your conclusions are not uncommon.
Darryl, you are trying to apply common sense to something that has none, just as most of quantum mechanics flies directly in the face of common sense. Common sense is based on your personal history - your experience of what you see, feel and experience.
There is no referent to the "outside" of the universe. No one has been there; no one can because it doesn't exist. As the universe expands it creates the space that it occupies - it doesn't expand into anything. There isn't anything there to expand into.
Yes, this violates our common sense as everything in our world exists in space. But whatever is outside our universe (nothing at all, not even space) is so completely outside of our experience that common sense cannot be applied to it. It has no referent in our experience. Indeed, the English language can't truly even discuss it because there are no words to adequately discuss it - in our experience even the word "nothing" includes space but there isn't even space outside the universe.
The laws of Physics as detailed by scientist says that expansion needs space.
Space is nothingness. The point I am making all along is that infinity is beyond our comprehension. Infinity is not something anyone can explain. Then what does the fact of infinity tell us?
Thank you 'Wilderness' for your input.
By common sense, I implied 'what is obvious'
How do you know that " there isn't even space outside the universe."?
Yes, I understood that you meant "what is obvious", but that very idea cannot be applied to much of what science is finding out today. What is obvious is based on our past observation of the world around us, but the things (including what is outside the universe) being found or discussed have nothing to do with what we experience in everyday life.
Limitations of the English language. "Space" might be defined by the concept that space is a placeholder for energy, mass, and everything else in our universe. The universe is composed of space and everything in it. Space was created, along with what's in it, in the big bang. If the big bang created the space in the universe then there cannot be any outside the universe. At least not "space" as we understand it.
There well may be something outside our universe, but it won't be space as we understand it (defined above) because that was created with the universe.
Not the English language nor any human language, nor our limited science can explain the phenomenon. There will never be an explanation because its beyond the scope of reason, beyond our present or future technology, beyond any discussion or debate on so profound a matter.
I am asking myself this time, what is this that is beyond any comprehension?
The problem isn't that God needs to be here, for God has given mankind everything we need to solve the problems we create. Unfortunately mankind has shown ourselves to be, selfish, arrogant, greedy, hateful unrepentant.
Since he has given us free will therefore if we want to create a ghetto planet we are free to do so.
You know me (a little bit) enough to know this is not a well thought statement ... just an over simplified thought that pops into my head and I write it.
If the universe consists of matter and absense of matter; it would make sense to me that anti mater lies outside of our universe.
I have heard the term anti matter many times but do not know what it is! Does the science community have a full grasp of what they are talking about with anti-matter?
Maybe I should Google it instead of asking?
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