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Hatred for Muslims

  1. Anamika S profile image72
    Anamika Sposted 8 years ago

    There is a lot of wrong things happening in the name of Religion. Recently while talking about the recent blasts in India I was shocked to see one of my friends talking with so much of hatred for Muslims and Pakistanis. He said  if he had the power he would put all Muslims in  a frying pan, fry them and then throw to dogs. Another thing he said he would do is make cuts on all terrorists body and apply chilli powder and salt. Just because there are a few people who do not fear God and do wrong things should the entire catagory be considered bad?

    Well, I don't think so.

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      Poppa Bluesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      No. Unfortunately when a few perform violent acts and claim they do so to advance God's will, they condemn their religion in the eyes of those that do not know, believe, or understand their religion. Fairly or not they bring the hatred upon themselves. The Muslim community must do more to condemn those act of violence, and the people that perpetrate them. They must do more to educate the extremists that practice their religion and the non-believers. They must do more to teach tolerance of others. I don't think the Muslim community is doing enough of these things.

      1. Make  Money profile image72
        Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I'd have to agree with Poppa's statement above.

        But then on the same note Buddhist, Hindu, Christian or leaders of any religion have to do more to condemn hatred or illegal wars against others.

        Mike

        1. SparklingJewel profile image67
          SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          what constitutes an illegal war?

          1. Make  Money profile image72
            Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            The war in Iraq for sure.

            I don't think NATO troops should be in Afghanistan either.  Afghanistan is not a UN peace keeping mission.  NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.  Afghanistan is a long way from the North Atlantic.  Besides we seem to have forgotten the reason why NATO troops are in Afghanistan, to find Bin Laden.  NATO troops were not originally sent there to take one side of a civil war, or at least that is what most of us thought to start with.  The Taliban said they would hand over Bin Laden if the US could prove he did 9/11 but the US still hasn't proven it to a lot of Americans or the world, let alone the Taliban.  Just do a Google search for false flag operations or phony bin laden tape.

            Mike

      2. ngureco profile image87
        ngurecoposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, the Muslim community must do more to condemn those act of violence, and the people that perpetrate them. During 9/11 we saw some countries celebrating.

        1. Paraglider profile image89
          Paragliderposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          This thread has run through many themes since this remark was made, but I feel it should be questioned.

          ngureco - please enlarge on what you saw? Probably some footage on TV of some people celebrating. But not countries. Countries celebrate with national holidays and public events. I'm not aware this happened anywhere in the world. Statements like yours do nothing to heal differences.

        2. daeemomin profile image60
          daeemominposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Still it has not been proved that who is behind 9/11 attacks.Some believe that it is zionist lobby who is deeply rooted in America.
          Muslims have condemned this attack.

      3. daeemomin profile image60
        daeemominposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Who are those "few" who are performing these acts of violence? Are they Muslims? Who knows that who are behind these terror attacks? Government has banned SIMI for its alleged involvement in terror attacks without an iota of evidence. Why the government is not banning Hindutva outfits like Bajrangdal who are openly committing the acts of terror in Assam and other states. Why it doesn’t pay any heed to the terror activities of Raj Thackery against north Indians.
        Innocent Muslims are being harassed by the police. They don’t have guts to arrest the real culprits. Media is creating sensation and spreading wrong things.
        You say Muslims should condemn terrorism. They very term Islam means peace. Quran condemns all kinds of wrongdoings. But the people who are committing these crimes are not Muslims. They are doing this to create communal tension and strengthen their Hindu vote bank

    2. docbenduke profile image59
      docbendukeposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Different people with their opinions but would that really solve the problem?there is no need to hate any religion...

    3. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      It takes two hands to clap.The hatred is mutual.Fanatics exits in all religions.

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      Abdul Latifposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      As a Muslim I thank you for your last statement.
      There are many Muslims who do not understand their own religion.
      Islam is defined as total submission to Allah.
      A Muslim is a person who submits to Allah.
      To kill an innocent person regardless of their belief is totally against Islam.
      Allah created ALL of us...with love. He loves us ALL. He may not like what we do but that does not mean that he does not love us. Many Muslims do not understand that.
      The first and most important pillar of Islam is belief. If that 'belief' is wrong then a person can be easliy misguided...as is happening...
      Before I sign off I should make it clear that I am not a scholar. The limited knowledge of Islam I possess is not worthy of debate. I know nothing of reality.
      Thank you for taking the time to read what I have written.

      Smile...

      Why? Because there wouldn't be any wars if we all smiled...A journey of 1000 miles starts with one step...(or one smile?)

      Abdul Latif

      1. Anamika S profile image72
        Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with you. For those who do not understand the religion of Islam I recommend this hub from another Hubber.
        http://hubpages.com/hub/what-is-ISLAM?comments

    5. daeemomin profile image60
      daeemominposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Media and state machinery are spreading hate against Muslims. They are poisoning people’s minds. People believe all they see in TV and newspapers and all that come from police sources.
      you are the one who has brain to think,who doesnt believe anything blindly

    6. prasadjain profile image19
      prasadjainposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      .

        Your thoughts are right. But the the problem with simple minded muslims is that, they are unable to oppose the fanaticdeeds of their religious leaders.The grip is so high there, unlike in other communities. That  sounds as support to terrorist acts by these common people also.The common muslims should rise their voince against the unethical calls by their leaders.
      A positive signal has been sounded now and then by some muslim organisations. Recently, a muslim convention, (perhaps held in Hyderabad)Adopteed a resolution against terrorist acts. In Kashmir, people are participating in elections discarding the boycott call by JKLF.
      Ordinery people are Bothered by their daily livelyhood problems. Ambitious people like Dawood Ibrahim have time and money to play such hazards.I have read travellers' reports wherein it is said that people in Pakisthan love Indians, Indian art and Music, films, etc.
      But brain washing doesn't allow them to remain so simple as they are. Here lies the problem and seeds of hatred. 



  2. usmanali81 profile image61
    usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

    Yes, you are right my dear, there are black sheeps in every community, it does not imply that the whole community is of black sheeps. To eradicate these kind of problems we have to touch the root cause of the problems. For indepth details about the recent blasts you can click on the following.

    http://www.brasstacks.pk/brasstacks/
    BrassTacks Situation and Intelligence Reports, Political and Security assessments and analysis on complex global security issues are taken as benchmark by governments, media, think tanks, policy makers and corporate environments.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The link is broken.

      1. Make  Money profile image72
        Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I was able to open the link by just going to the home page
        http://www.brasstacks.pk/

        A lot of it is in the Pakistani language but I found this video in English concerning the Mumbai attack.
        http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en

        I watched about 15 minutes of it.  At minute 14:26 of the video it says "Eight men arrested by Indian authorities and among them British men also" Associated Press.  I heard this before so I did a search for 'British men arrested in Mumbai attack' and came up with this.
        http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c … &meta=

        What the long video is saying is that the Mumbai attack was another false flag operation trying to blame someone else.  I'm not saying this is true at this time but I might have to come back to this video to watch the whole thing.  Apparently the British men were of Pakistani descent.

        1. countrywomen profile image60
          countrywomenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Mike- Let bygones be bygones. Mumbai attack was a tragedy which will take time to get over. There are some governments which try to keep there own common people from knowing the whole truth and this particular video seems to be pointing in the same direction. There is an overwhelming evidence(which is accepted world wide) and this weak video would only convince those who want to believe it(irrespective of whether that is the whole truth or not). Anyway you are an open minded person and hopefully will evaluate from multiple sources before coming to any conclusions. smile

        2. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you for this kindness Make Money, I will take a look.

          1. Make  Money profile image72
            Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Your welcome Earnest.  Please call me Mike (I'm not making any money anyway). smile

  3. freelanceworld profile image61
    freelanceworldposted 7 years ago in reply to this

    Of course, some hardcore religion minded heads like above need something to burst their hatred on, after such instances, which can never be justified as whole religion is never responsible for such acts

    BUT
    I Strongly feel... Muslim community is doing more harm to them than others by allowing such religious extremism.

    Their Scholars and religious preachers should strongly condemn such acts (some have done that too...but thats not effective as yet it seems)or take some iron clad steps to prevent such acts & prevent such hatred emerging for them (more than before, at least, in various regions)

    Tying TNT around waist and detonating it, at will, anywhere , killing innocents in between can never be preached by any religion.

    May God help all. Peace!

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Zealots seem to exist in all the major religions.

      1. freelanceworld profile image61
        freelanceworldposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        They all dont take the shield of something named "JIHAD" to become suicide bombers, attack and kill innocents in their quest to enforce or show something.

        In anyway all those who resort to violence to enforce something on others are one and the same, be it from any religion.

  • topstuff profile image60
    topstuffposted 8 years ago

    This couldnt be a solution.To root out all for what muslims are blamed for,we have to
    eradicate the real causes.Hatred gives birth to hatred.The current blasts in India and Pakistan is a condemnable sad hap.

  • bloggerdollar profile image39
    bloggerdollarposted 8 years ago

    If a person is speaking of killing a whole nation / community he is a fascist. Those are words of fascism.

    Governments need enemies to justify themselves and they try to put hate inside people.

    Peace Man..  smile

    1. Anamika S profile image72
      Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I have to agree with you. Even I do not support such a behaviour or talk even to an enemy. Hatred only breeds hatred.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Fanatics of nearly all religions are guilty of sewing the seeds of hatred. Recently the Hindus have been persecuting Christians in India, telling them to convert or die.
        The Taliban commits all kinds of atrocities against anyone who opposes them and denies all civilized rights to women. And they were the ones who destroyed the thoudsands of years old giant Buddhist Bamyan sculptures several years ago. They hardly deserve to call themselves a civilization. Fanatical Jews steal the land from Palestinians. Fanatical Evangelical Christians kill abortion doctors in the U.S. And so forth. All the religious extremists--Catholics, Muslims, Evangelical Protestants seem to be preoccupied with strict sexual rules on virginity, homosexuality, etc. I guess they do good, but I wonder whether the good outweighs the misery and divisiveness they cause in the world.

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Mike, I think you should exclude Buddhists from the list. To the best of my knowledge they never fought a religious war. Not that sure about Hinduists, but strongly suspect they didn't either...

    1. SparklingJewel profile image67
      SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      In historical times Hindus did...remember Arjuna?

      1. Anamika S profile image72
        Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        If you are referring to the MahaBharatha War it was a War of Good (Pandavas) Vs Evil (Kauravas).

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Then it definitely was a religious war smile

          1. webismine profile image60
            webismineposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            It was not in the name of religion smile

            1. Anamika S profile image72
              Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, it was not in the name of religion. If ever there was a religion involved  it was the religion of Humanity. There is no mention of Religion in Mahabharat.

            2. countrywomen profile image60
              countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              War by itself may not be wrong. But the reason for it should be right. The pandavas were right at that time to fight and incidentally kauravas were cousins so it wasn't a religious war between different cultures or religions. Now coming to this debate the then Taliban were totally destroying the civilian society, ancient bamiyan budha's and then 911 they deserved to be punished. But then came Iraq and it was not justified based on wrong WMD information to attack them.

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Was it a religious war?

    1. SparklingJewel profile image67
      SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      religion/spirituality...different beliefs in what "is" right or what one wants...maybe not in the same as today's religions against "pure" Truth of spirituality...I guess its debatable. smile

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Interesting. I guess I should go back and re-read from this point of view smile

      2. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Correct the Mahabharata is a  masterpiece in poetry and was write by the sage Vyasa.Its a war which symbolises good over evil.Krishna took the side of the Pandavas and was the charioter as he was not allowed to fight,that was the condition.In this war Arjuna is faced with a dilemma over whether to fight or not as the opponents the Kauravas were his cousins he had grown up with.
        Here Krishna tells him all has been destined including this war.He is a Shatriya or a warrior and must carry out his part which he is made for.Similarly we all have a part to play and must play it or carry out our destiny smile

    2. dishyum profile image61
      dishyumposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Not exactly, Arjuna was one of the Pandavas who had to fight with Gauravas for their rights. Mahabharat is not about religious war, can be identified as a war between relatives of same religion - hinduism smile

  • Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    There were ( I don't think there still are) many militant Buddhist sects in Japan. And they certainly engaged in wars. For pay in some cases. They were one of the reasons the Samurai caste came about - and it became law that only Samurai might carry weapons.

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, absolutely. I am not trying to imply Buddhists didn't have wars and fights - they obviously did and do. smile My point was though that they were not fighting "in the name of religion"

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I think you are correct. I do not know of any wars started by buddhists to "spread the word."

        This does seem to be a purely christian/islamic thing.

        Quite honestly, when you look at the doctrines they propose, the whole idea of a religious war is ridiculous.

        But - I thank God for them. lol Without these people, I would have never seen the light.......

        Although, I think their influence was spreading, and this caused wars to be declared upon them, so maybe that could be considered a religious war?

        1. Make  Money profile image72
          Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          That is nonsense Mark.

          Sri Lanka is a war between the Hindu minority and the Buddhist majority that has killed hundreds of thousands.
          http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

          Or from this site http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions … /war.shtml




          That is what I have been trying to say all along.  The doctrines of all the major religions do not condone war.  And when you look at just about all the wars through out history you will find that the root cause is over land or resources.  People corrupt the doctrines.

          Mike

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            I knew I could count on you to set me straight Mike. smile

            So, are there any religions that have not gone to war to collect more land or resources?

            1. Make  Money profile image72
              Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              lol I doubt it.  But it's not the religions, it's the people.  Not even atheists, example being Communist Russia.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Depressing isn't it?

                Although, at least the atheists don't say god told them to do it lol

          2. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Mike, after following your link and seeing that they count war in Chechnya as religious, I don't believe any single word from that site, sorry.

            I can assure you that from the Russian side religious propaganda to support this war was non-existent. It was the war for independence from one side, and the war to keep the borders intact from the other side, and of course the underlying reason was oil...

            1. Anamika S profile image72
              Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              No Religion supports such a cause. But Man who twists what is written in the religious books according to his whims and fancies does.

            2. Make  Money profile image72
              Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              I totally agree with you Misha. 

              The Russia/Chechnya wars are over independence or land or resources.  The same way Sri Lanka is over independence or land.  Or the same way Northern Ireland is over independence or land.  Or the same way Kashmir is over independence or land.  All these wars sighted on both web sites can be broken down to disputes over land or resources.

              Organized religion is getting a bad name where it shouldn't be.  By these two web sites as well.  I used these two web sites because they didn't leave any organized religion out. 

              I'll say it again, it's not the organized religions that are the problem.  It's people fighting over land or resources.  And people corrupting the doctrines.

              Mike

          3. Anamika S profile image72
            Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            I agree with you 100%.

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Ummm, "good and evil" are definitely religious terms.

    Non religious wars are fought for resources or territory - something material. Wars fought solely to defeat evil are religious.

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      Anitha1978posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry to interrupt.In a nutshell, the Mahabaratha war was fought after a king lost his kindom ,riches and even his wife to another king who incidently happen to be his brother(His father's brother's son) in a game of dice. In a bid to claim back his losses the defeated king declared war on his brother  and that war was called The Mahabaratha war.

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Now that's much more in line with what I remember it to be smile Thanks for clarifying this Anitha, and I would not call it religious then.

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          Anitha1978posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          The Great Mahabaratha war was on the verge of having its history altered Misha. Thank God for me big_smile

          1. Anamika S profile image72
            Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            cool

      2. webismine profile image60
        webismineposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I was coming to explain it...you beat me! Good job, Anitha big_smile

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          Anitha1978posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          **I edited my previous comment here. Dont wish to hurt anyone.**The Baratha war isnt the World War.roll

          1. dishyum profile image61
            dishyumposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            There was no chance for a world war, because Indians hadn't explored much about the real world around those days! lol

      3. Anamika S profile image72
        Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, It was a War fought for Rights.

  • Make  Money profile image72
    Make Moneyposted 8 years ago

    Yes it is depressing.  But atheists have a much much higher body count rate.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      You think?

      Care to back that up with some facts? Although, I am not sure the point of that. More people were killed without invoking the name of god than were....

      Nice. You must be a christian. Guess that makes you right. I will start believing immediately. wink

      1. Make  Money profile image72
        Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Oh come on Mark you know what the point is. lol

        My point is counter to your atheist point that all organized religion is bad.

        Finally I converted you.  God bless you Mark. lol

        Okay I'll back up my facts with one of my previous posts.

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Mike,

    I definitely agree to you that underlying cause for most of the wars is not a religion. However, you can't really decline that in many cases religion is used to organize the ignorant masses to support the war. smile

  • Make  Money profile image72
    Make Moneyposted 8 years ago

    As atheism has been as well.

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Frankly I can't recall any case of atheism being used in a war mongering propaganda the way religions are. Can you give an example?

  • Make  Money profile image72
    Make Moneyposted 8 years ago

    The godless former USSR.  You should know that Misha.

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Nope Mike, we were having the war for peace against evil capitalists. Not Christians, Muslims, and the likes - against evil capitalists smile

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      sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      From a politicians view this may be true, but a religious view suggest otherwise.  It's what they have been waiting for.  sad

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Sandy, I don't follow smile

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      sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Seems like you do.  smile

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        You lost me completely, but never mind smile

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Wait. Godless former USSR? Where on earth did you get that from? o_O

    Also; atheism is just another form of Christianity/Judaism: they believe God exists, and they choose not to worship him. And while most will argue that this isn't the case, it's the cold, hard truth. And that is why I'm Apathetic Agnostic. ^_^

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Kika - This is as poor a mis-representation of atheism as Mike's comments on Russia.

      I am an atheist.

      I do not believe there is a god.

      No cold hard truth in what you said.

      Unless you were joking? lol Which I think you were, in which case you will find this useful when talking to many of the more aggresive chistians.


      http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2778/sarcasm3ix4.gif

      Many of them fail to spot it smile

  • Make  Money profile image72
    Make Moneyposted 8 years ago

    Quotes from this site under The Soviet Union
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
    "Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and, ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs. Within about a year of the revolution the state expropriated all church property, including the churches themselves, and in the period from 1922 to 1926, 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and more than 1,200 priests were killed (a much greater number was subjected to persecution).
    In the 1920s and 1930s, such organizations as the League of the Militant Godless ridiculed all religions and harassed believers. Atheism was propagated through schools, communist organizations (such as the Young Pioneer Organization), and the media.
    Most seminaries were closed, publication of religious writing was banned.  The Russian Orthodox Church, which had 54,000 parishes before World War I, was reduced to 500 by 1940.  Although the great majority of Russia was Christian, according to the CIA Factbook, only 17 to 22 percent of the population is now Christian."

    The atheist war for peace sure killed a pile of people.

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      sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      and the crusaders have killed much, much more.

    2. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      LOL Mike, let's separate "war for peace", which was directed outside, from house cleaning. Pile of people was killed in house cleaning. It happens in every single country communist come to power, be it Czechoslovakia or Cambodia. May happen here, too, btw.
      I fail to see how this civil war was a religious war. The rhetoric was pretty close to the one of your current democrats - rich people exploit us, let's get rid of them. And yes, rich people included priests, too - but not because they were religious, rather because they were more or less rich and served the interests of rich people...

      1. Make  Money profile image72
        Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Misha you don't seem to realize that what you just said is a direct threat to the security of the country that is allowing you to live there.  I know you are a Russian immigrant.  I wonder what Homeland Security would have to say about your threat.

        Call it war for peace or house cleaning it does not matter.  The fact of the matter is that there were 61,911,000 victims of utopian empowered atheist Soviet Russia from 1917 to 1987.  That's over 61 million people dead in just 70 years.  Marxist governments overall killed about 95,200,000 in the 20th century.
        http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

        And Sandra those numbers probably have not been reached in 5 to 10 centuries of so called religious conflicts.

        Back to your threat Misha.

        Are you in the US as a communist anarchist Misha?

        Or are you a member of the the League of the Militant Godless Misha?

        Or are you a member of the Young Pioneer Organization Misha?

        I am going to tell you right now Misha that I do not take this threat lightly considering the amount of victims by atheists that are sighted in the above web site.

        I will be thinking of your threat from here on any time I see you attack a Christian thread in this forum.  I say Christian because that's who you atheists seem to like to throw most of your attacks at.

        Mike

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          sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Your a sick jerk,  if you knew your bible well then you would know that we are not supposed to collect taxes from foreighners. 

          You're so full of hate disgust for anyone unlike yourself.  I think your a threat to humanity.

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            sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Oh and I haven't forgotten about your reply on one of my hubs about the Catholic church coming to make my life hell.  tongue

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          Zarm Nefilinposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Go peddle your paranoid crap somewhere else moron.

          I dare you to call Dept of Homeland Security about Misha while your at it for allegedly being part of some communist plot (which is what your implying).

          They won't grab Misha, if they grabbed anyone it would probably be you because of your extremist background and false report on Misha.

          Don't come back here whining if they take a stopwatch and time you while they waterboard you in a make shift prison somewhere.

          Are you that stupid to go and report someone falsely?

          What in hell do you think they will do to you once they figure out Misha is nothing to worry about and you are a liar.

          At the minimum you will be charged with something (that will go on your record) for "crying wolf", if they don't arrest you/monitor you and possibly even torture you on top of that.

          I am dead serious when I say this.

          You are a liar, and a cruel liar to threaten Misha in such a way.

          Because we both know you won't do what you threaten, which in and of itself reveals the particularly cowardly form of your cruelty.

          The threat is greater than the execution, you are a rad trad and you know this even if you 'll never admit it.

          Go back to beating your wife or dominating your children.

          Peddle your vicious and cruel ideological hatred elsewhere.

          1. Make  Money profile image72
            Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Well I forgive you Zarm seeing you don't know what to heck you are talking about.

            This is what we were talking about, Misha and I.



            This was Misha's reply, as if that's the plan for the future too.



            Quite the house cleaning with 95,200,000 victims by these Marxist atheist pukes.  Previously Misha used the term 'house cleaning' for these 95.2 MILLION victims.  Those victims were from all religions but mostly Christians.   

            It doesn't matter where you go on the net these days there's an atheist, possibly communist group attacking Christianity and all forms of religions.  I am keeping track of them and the numbers are growing.  Some are actually calling for a communist revolution in the US.  Expect another round of McCarthyism in the near future.

            Personally I think HubPages should be reporting some of these outrages posts to Homeland Security themselves.

            And Zarm we've already been through the discussion that Fr. Gruner's Fatima Center has nothing to do with the Legion of Christ.

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              sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              I think you are jumping to conclusions assuming that because someone is an atheist they must want to hurt someone who is not.  It is not true.

              Likewise, it is unfair for an atheist to assume that because people have killed in the name of Christ, that all Christains are bad.  It just isn't true.

              It is also unfair to assume that people want to be saved or that these things that have happened in the past with regards to non-religions and religions were not meant to happen; or that we are not already perfectly imperfect with our without the need for God. 

              With or without God, these things happen and that is a true statement, they happen on both sides of the deck so believing or not believing doesn't make any difference.  smile  God has no place in the argument in favor of genicide or war. 

              Who said, "the biggest folly of man was in believing there is life after death?"

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              Zarm Nefilinposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Mike, there is no reason to attack and threaten Misha for his usage of adjectives.

              He doesn't like communists anymore than either of us do.

              When he said "house cleaning", that is how the communists that he was raised with looked at it.  That doesn't mean he likes communism though.  Far from it.

              Communism has nothing new to offer (at least not the kind practiced by Lenin/Stalin/Mao).  Unless it could somehow happen without thought reform, religious persecution, and totalitarian state dogma, communism will never be viable as a political solution to anything.

              Communism is a clumsy, red-taped, centralized, authoritarian, totalitarian, paranoid, pile of complete garbage.

              I think Misha actually agrees with me when I say this.

    3. Make  Money profile image72
      Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't say anything about 2003 Kerry.

      This site has the numbers.  "61,911,000 Victims: Utopianism Empowered 1917 to 1987"
      http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM



      Kerry there's a hand full of people in here that like to blame everything on organized religion.

      So I'll repeat myself.

      And that's why I showed that people that do not belong to an organized religion can be just as bad as religious fanatics or worse.

      That's all I'm trying to say.  You can't deny those facts. 

      You can't call yourself an innocent group just because you call yourself an atheist (or used to call yourself one yesterday).

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Mike - I do not blame everything on organized religion. What I usually say is that christians, who invariably claim to be "better" than every one else because of their "divine" calling, rarely seem to behave in the way their book tells them to.

        In fact, often the opposite. This would be one of the reasons I think the bible is garbage. You are behaving in exactly the same fashion right now. Spreading hate and exaggerated claims about a group that is not as "good" as your group.

        Although - I was not aware I was in a group. We do seem to be making progress in that you are not calling atheism a religion smile

        I can certainly agree that people who do not belong to an organized religion can be just as bad as you people. And as you correctly point out, they often join some other group that behaves like a religion.

        I have equal disdain for the Nazis, Communists, Republicans, Democrats, Muslims, Darwinists, or whichever other group you care to name that sets themselves up as better than anyone else in the same way religions do.

        Don't you think it about time we got rid of these groups?

      2. kerryg profile image87
        kerrygposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Fair enough. But my point was that people in the Soviet Union were persecuted regardless of religious beliefs and the persecution was worse (and remains worse) for certain ETHNIC groups, who happen to be mainly Jews and Muslims.



        I skimmed quickly, but I didn't see anything about 62 million CHRISTIANS being murdered for their beliefs. Just 62 million (or more) Soviets being murdered/executed, starved, killed in wars, and left to rot in prison/Siberia. That figure would have included Christians, Jews, Muslims, athiests, and people from various native Siberian animist religions. Again, not singling out any specific religion, but rather "class enemies" and dissenters, real and imagined.



        I'm not actually going to argue with that. Any time people believe in their own rightness so passionately that they are willing to dehumanize and kill those who disagree, the results are going to be gory. You see this effect most frequently with organized religion, but the Soviet Union is a prime example of a political ideology run amok, and you see ethnic and tribal differences (unrelated to religion) resulting in the same violence in Rwanda in the 90's, Georgia/Ossetia now, and in countless other places throughout history.



        I agree with this.

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Wow, interesting. I didn't know that. Thank you for enlightening me. smile

  • Make  Money profile image72
    Make Moneyposted 8 years ago

    Definitely not to this scale Sandra.
    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

    Besides the original idea of the crusades was just to secure a safe passage from Europe to the Holy Land for pilgrims, that's all.  "Bandits abounded, and pilgrims were routinely slaughtered, sometimes by the hundreds, as they attempted to make the journey from the coastline at Jaffa into the Holy Land."  There were bad leaders on both sides.  Such bad leaders from Europe were William the Conqueror (King of England), Hugues de Payens, Godfrey de Saint-Omer and the Knights Templar (the predecessors of Freemasonry).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar

    Mike

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      sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Ok then what I meant to say was people in favor of religion have killed many, many, many, many more.

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      Zarm Nefilinposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      This is your cult's doctrine, the crusades are universally acknowledged to be good amongst rad trad cultists.

      Do you guys think Torquemada was good too (like my former group)?

      I bet so.

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Mike. Chill out. He's only stating an opinion, a right every (and I mean EVERY) American citizen has. If he feels our country may be heading in this direction, it is his right to feel that way. While it is your right to be enraged about his opinion, you have to remember that opinions are, indeed, like buttholes; everyone's got one.

    I personally think Misha's got a good point. Look at where our country is headed and tell me nothing bad is going to happen whatsoever.

  • Make  Money profile image72
    Make Moneyposted 8 years ago

    Noting all his previous attacks on Christians in this forum it wasn't an opinion, it was a threat.  All these attacks on Christians by him, Mark and other atheists in this forum and everywhere across the net just pushes more people to the McCainiac side.  If it continues it just might do the same to me too.  That's self defense which is acceptable in Christianity.

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Mike, I apologize now if this sounds condescending, but have you ever heard the phrase, "take everything with a grain of salt"? Try seeing things through others' eyes instead of closing your mind to their opinions and views. Who knows? You might learn a thing or two about them. smile

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    LOL Thanks Kika! smile Who is following whom though wink

    Mike, the next logical step for you will be to report me to Homeland Security. And they will no doubt come, handcuff me and fly to Guantanamo Bay. Or another concentration camp they already have a plenty on the mainland, too.

    You don't know this, but I do - this is exactly how house cleaning in communist countries was done...

    Homeland security = KGB

  • Make  Money profile image72
    Make Moneyposted 8 years ago

    You are right Misha about the next logical step.

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Go ahead Mike. This will be a good Christian behavior. You are not able to see the irony of the situation, though. smile

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Who said I was following you? tongue I posted in here a while ago, and I keep checking in once in a while to see if anyone's said anything worth commenting on. And sometimes it's nice to voice my own ideals once in a while.

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Oh, plus, I don't like seeing my friends get bashed. tongue

    Mike, honestly, I think you ought to take a step back and re-evaluate the situation. Is it really worth it to go to such extremes over an opinion? What if I were to say I believed true, idealistic Communism would be the best for the world? It would never happen, not in a million years, but the idea of pure Utopia where everyone was equal and no one had to worry about social status and wealth sounds like Heaven on earth to me. Are you going to condemn me for that as well?

  • SparklingJewel profile image67
    SparklingJewelposted 8 years ago

    What happened to the "Hatred for Muslims" thread...I thought this was it? smile

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      It's still hatred, but now for communist atheists child molesters, though smile

      1. Anamika S profile image72
        Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah..It is still a Hatred Thread. And when i started it all I wanted to emphasise was the inhuman attitudes and wrong things done in the name of religion.sad

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      dishyumposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      Moving off the topic is nothing new here, especially in Religion forum in HP wink

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Y'know, Misha, you don't make it easy to defend you & your/others' opinions. Actually, you're making it hard for me. >.< tongue

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    I never promised I would  smile

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Thanks Sandy smile

    But you are losing your cool wink

    I don't think they will come right away, not everything is ready yet - but eventually there is a good chance they will. However, I think I will not live in the USA by that time already smile

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      sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Don't say that Misha.  It scares me because you have seen this in Russia and it seems likely to happen here too.  sad

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    sandra rinckposted 8 years ago

    Whateva Mike,

    Russia does that once and it is worse than all the ones who have done it and continue to do it.  Yet you figure that Christains should be forgiven and atheist should not?

    Do you think it is better that someone kill in the name of God or someone who killed in thier own name?

    Don't you know that voting for McPalin is likey to start a new war?
    But you want that don't you and you will say it is God's will not yours.

    Think again.  You don't know God!  How does it feel huh?  You don't know God.
    You worship Satan and don't even know it.
    How does that feel?

    Oh wait you have no feelings so nothing I say can hurt you right because God is going to smite me because of what I said right?

    You nerve is uncanny.  Do you really think God will forgive you acting as though you do not have a choice when it comes to war or not?  Preach all you want about free will you want because your free will is telling me that you want to kill because deep down inside your a killer, your a revenge seeker. 

    You so wrong!  Satan worshiper. yikes

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    sandra rinckposted 8 years ago

    Oh and Churches don't pay taxes.

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Sandra, hun. sad ilu and all, so please calm down? I feel really bad when people I like get all upset. Well, okay, let me rephrase that: I feel really bad when people get upset, period. sad I don't like to see people fighting and nipping at one another's throats. I may just be a huge softie, but still. Can't we talk without incurring others' wraths (this goes for everybody)?

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      sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      yes, I'm sorry.  I don't get mad much, but...what can I say, I am human too.  smile

      Just one more thing for Mike,  you do know that McPalin's pastor lead a witch hunt in Africa not too long ago...

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    It still is not guaranteed to happen here, but you better be prepared, cause I think chances are better than even it will...

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    fun2hubposted 8 years ago

    Criminals should be punished; showing hatred to their community is unfair smile

    1. Anamika S profile image72
      Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you. It is unfair to show Hatred to the entire Religion.

      1. Make  Money profile image72
        Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah I agree too. 

        And that's why I showed that people that do not belong to an organized religion can be just as bad as religious fanatics or worse.

        For example when talking about the holocaust we should be asking which one.

        The Armenian holocaust?

        The Ugandan holocaust?

        The Jewish holocaust?

        Or the big one.  The Christian holocaust done by Russian atheists with just about 62 million victims.  That's more than 10 times the amount of victims than any other holocaust.

        I'm certainly glad you atheists have finally denounced your barbaric atheist faith. smile

        1. kerryg profile image87
          kerrygposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Where are you getting that number and what makes you think it was religious persecution rather than class-based persecution? The Soviets killed their own people indiscriminately of religion; in fact, Christians had it better, in general, than Jews and Muslims because Russians are extremely racist and anti-Semitic, and no amount of Communist indoctrination could kill that. It persists to this day, and is arguably getting even stronger thanks to Afghanistan, Chechnya, and other disputes with "blacks."

          I lived in Russia (St. Petersburg) in 2003 with a group of American students that included one African American, one native Hawaiian, one Jew, one Indian-American, and about 15 whites. The weekend after the theater hostage crisis, the Indian man and the Hawaiian woman were stopped by the police 8 and 4 times respectively, in 2 days. Not a single one of the whites was stopped. My Central Asian husband had a similar experience on his lone trip to Moscow in 1998. The black man was never particularly bothered by the police, but he used to literally stop traffic just walking down the street. White power slogans and swastikas conspicuously festoon many metro stations. The Soviets didn't approve of Christians, but for all their high-falutin' rhetoric about worker equality, they disapproved of Jews and "blacks" more, and kulaks and other "class enemies" (athiest, Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) most of all.

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            Zarm Nefilinposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            MakeMoney is a cultist kerryg.   He is associated with the same type (not the exact group) of people I once was.

            His sources may vary but his belief in what he is saying (atheism somehow being the cause of communist persecution in Russia) is founded on ideological ground.

            There is no evidence of any sort whatsoever that you can present to him that would change his mind on most things, and I speak from experience on this point (being a former cultist myself)t.

            If you want to learn more about his type of group (extremist radical traditionalist catholic cults) here is a link to the SLPC Intelligence brief on them (in general).

            http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelrep … sp?aid=719

            My former group is not mentioned in these briefs, but as an ex-member I hope to write up and successfully submit something for the SLPC on my former group one day (it may come in handy for law enforcement who deal with extremist groups).

            1. Make  Money profile image72
              Make Moneyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Long time no see Zarm.  Did you have to drop out of school?  I hope not, you might learn something.

              Atheism was the cause of Christian persecution in Communist Russia.  Just do a Google search for 'atheist marxism'.  You can choose to deny it if you want.

              I don't have anything against some Jews like the web site you posted Zarm.  In fact if you do a Google search for 'jews against zionism' you'll find all kinds of web sites put up by Jewish organizations that oppose the state of Israel.

              Silly boy.

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                Zarm Nefilinposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                I don't argue with people such as yourself, because I know that in the end it doesn't matter.

                You will threaten people (like you did Misha), you will be cruel, you will cajole, and will not listen to the voice of your own reason.

                "Silly boy"

                Just proving my point about domestic violence and the typical attitude in extremist Fatima cults.  I am a 26 year old MAN and I have been just accepted to a community college (as of October 2nd), which makes your remarks all the more pathetic.

                There is a saying that from the Great Gatsby that "The best revenge is to succeed".  I will succeed, and once I am well established with roots I will make sure I coordinate a systematic effort at bringing the utter hatred that people like Fr. Feeny and Fr. Gruner preach to the light of day where the average person can see it for what it is (including the average Catholic who needs to be better informed).

                If you were a real man you would address me as a man, and not a "boy" which you did, thus inadvertently revealing certain things about you.

                Your so out of touch with reality that it is pitiable.

                Except that I don't pity people such as yourself, there is no real reason to. 

                I have learned in a very traumatic environment that pitying people who are weak and manipulative is itself a weakness, which can only be broken by forgiving people to the greatest extent possible given the hard fact one cannot expect an apology.

                That is where you and I differ.

                I won't fully forgive those movements in the RCC for what they have done (including the Legion of Christ), because those kinds of people (and Fr. Gruner's kind of followers) never apologize for what they do.  As a result I can only forgive them so far, and what is unforgiven is filled with hatred and a resolve to stand against that which is corrupt and full of disease.  What is not filled with hatred is filled with the understanding and forgiveness that they too are human and meant well at times.  Retaining some hatred and disgust for what happened to me is emotionally key to me being able to combat these kinds of groups from an information standpoint.  I can, and I will.

                The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and there are plenty of them in those groups but they do not make the environment any less toxic or vile.  Instead, they make it all the more "sincerely deluded".

                You are a man, but you are also a coward.

                No man who was not cruel would threaten someone like Misha in the way that you have done (threatening to call Dept. Of Homeland Security), and I solemnly and strongly condemn you for that gravely immoral action.

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Misha, you are my friend, but atheism is not the disbelief of god, it is the acknowledgement of him and the choice not to believe in him (I suppose that's still disbelief, but you're still acknowledging he exists). Agnosticism is the disbelief of god. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, I'm only telling you what I know of religions and beliefs. If you believe otherwise, that is your right and choice and I won't tell you you're wrong for believing it. I'm only telling you what I know. Sorry if I seemed rude. sad

    Maybe you should just say you're Agnostic like me? tongue Makes everything so much easier.

    1. Paraglider profile image89
      Paragliderposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      A lot of people do not like to call themselves agnostic because it suggests (to some) that they  are incapable of making up their own minds. 'Atheist' has a few meanings, from someone who doesn't believe in god and basically doesn't give it a second thought, to someone who doesn't believe in god and feels the need to enlist others in his/her unbelief. To say that an atheist believes in but denies the existence of god is to display misunderstanding of the language. Atheists do not believe in god.

      Personally, because too many people take 'atheist' personally, I prefer to describe myself as rationalist. But then again, I've met many atheists who are far from rational. Atheism is a broad  '''church'''  wink

    2. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Is that supposed to be directed at me?

      If it is, I can tell you that you are completely wrong.

      I acknowledge no god.

      How on earth can you acknowledge that there is a god, yet choose not to believe in him/her ? lol

      Agnosticism is what?

      I think we are on the same page belief wise, but..........

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        sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        what could you call a person who says, "I don't beleive in your god"?  You said you don't believe in a personal god, or that god exist.

        that you are neither athiest or agnostic...I am like that too, did my own study, came across things that I have no explaination for, see things and have done things that I cannot explain...whatever you are I think I am too, but I am not an athiest and I am not agnostic and I am not a christian...not a muslim, not a buddhist, or Kabalist or Judahist or anything of that sort...

        does that make me a humanitarian?  smile

  • knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 8 years ago

    How 'bout some sort of spiritual something or mystic.

  • Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    OK, I am officuially no longer an atheist smile

    I am now a rational, mystic, humanitarian.

  • knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 8 years ago

    This is major. Now what we gonna do? No resident atheist. Who these christians gonna fight. This is like a pole shift. Say it ain't so. Say it ain't so. Have you thought this thing thru? It is so easy to say 'I am an atheist'. How easy is it gonna be to have to say, 'I am a rational, mystic, humanitarian', over and over. Who can even make you a target with handle like that? Are you sure about this? Is there even a conversion ceremony for something like this?

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    How about child molesting Mark? wink

    Kika,

    I think you misdirected your post, I really never categorized myself  - while Mark definitely positions himself as an atheist. smile

    As for me - I don't bother, any label does not reflect the reality in all detail. I definitely do think we are interconnected on some higher conscious level, and it definitely has nothing to do with an old guy in a white robe cooking sinners for eternal dinner big_smile

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      You saw that one?

      Child molesting, women beating, dolphin hating, hypocritical, radical, mystical, humanitarian rationalist?

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        sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        God did I say humanitarian?  What I meant was human-esque, or wait human-ish, no...human-ist.  Darn it,  I mean human.  smile

        Dolphin hater!  I hate them too, got a bunch of them captive in my house and on the walls cause they are such awful creatures.  yikes

  • knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 8 years ago

    "I agree with you. It is unfair to show Hatred to the entire Religion."
    "Yeah I agree too."
    "I'm certainly glad you atheists have finally denounced your barbaric atheist faith."
    Yada, yada, yada, how many witches and pagans did the Catholic Church torture, burn and otherwise murder and enslave. You christians always got problem with someone - right. Otherwise how would be any better, which is your salvation.

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Mike,

    As if anybody was arguing with you that people kill each other for a number of real and imaginary reasons.

    Not sure why you still think that the deal in Russia was between atheists and Christians, when it was between poor and rich, at least this is how it was presented to the masses. When that thing started, almost all of the Russian Empire was Christian, with the exception of Central Asia, part of the Caucasus, and Crimea, which were Muslim (and still are). Muslims were killed in enormous quantities there by other Muslims, Christians, and atheists - as well as Christians were killed by other Christians, Muslims, and atheists all over the place, all in the name of getting rid of exploitation...

    Your numbers also can't be accurate, cause nobody really counted. I would rather talk about several dozens of millions, including WWII - it gives the correct idea of magnitude, and does not imply that you are trying to fool others substituting estimates for exact numbers.

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    And how does the clap of one hand sounds? wink

    I have to say it became interesting to read what you post lately, Mohit smile

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      That Misha is a Zen  Koan- the one hand clap.smile

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        The one hand clap indicates reaching an enlightened stage .Where you know all is one-God. smile

    2. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      When you can taste the tea from an empty cup and hear the sound of one hand clapping, you will understand my child. smile

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Still not sure how it sounds smile

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      hhahahah get enlightened ,you will smile

  • Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    lol

    As far as I understand it, it is not the hearing of the sound that is important.

    It is making the attempt smile

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    That's what I am doing wink

    1. Anamika S profile image72
      Anamika Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Well, This thread though diverted from the Original topic is becoming more and more interesting day by day. Thanks to the 3M's...Misha, Mark and Mohit.smile I am loving it.

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Easier said then done, ya know tongue

    And yeah, Anamika, hatred is not too enjoyable topic to discuss smile

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Hey - If Mo can do it - You can too lol

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Thats the truth.Being an enlightened poet my job is to inspire others including clowns like you to find God. smile

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          lol Continually attacking me in this fashion is unlikely to achieve it. lol

          All you are doing is persuading me I was correct in my first assessment of your "enlightenment."

          I own shoes that are more enlightened than you lol

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            You are the jester of hubpages on this religous forum.I cant help but think ,this guy has no knowledge yet he mocks God and truth.Even makes fun of thr Prophets on a religious forum.
            Ask hubpages to make a badge of the joker and put it next to your name. lol

        2. webismine profile image60
          webismineposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          The real enlightened ones neither boast nor attack others personally, Mohit smile

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            But they do defend truth and cannot stand a person mocking God and hs Prophets-not on  a religous forum.
            Its like someone earlier said to Mark-Its like you dont know how to drive but you will insist on a telling a a race driver how to. smile

    2. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I know that,but thats what the master says to his student in the zen koan.Simply go meditate harder. smile

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    LOL Here we go again lol

  • Inspirepub profile image87
    Inspirepubposted 8 years ago

    By his much speaking he shall make it so ...

    Jenny

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Yes, but as webismine said, they don't attack others. And what leads you to believe Mark has no knowledge? He has his knowledge, just as you have yours and I have mine. He's a very intelligent person, and to sit there and claim enlightenment while belittling others for their views, thoughts and beliefs leads me to believe you are not as enlightened as you would like others to think. :-\

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Why didnt Jesus attack others who  were mocking God or portrayiong him wrongly.Do you suppose he was also not enlightened and people crucified him correctly.How can someone come on a religious forum and mock poeple who believe in God and how can you back him up for these actions.Right now he is talking Jesus slippers-isnt that being ridiculously audacious , which needs to be countered .You want to suck up to him go ahead ,I will not.
      Everytime he mocks God or the Prophets I will mock him.

  • Kika Rose profile image81
    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago

    Remind me to ask my friend James for the title of this book he's reading about Jesus. It'd go well with your comment.

    I'd be slightly worried if I started "sucking up" to anybody, because that would mean I'd need others' approval for my existence. Thankfully, I don't need that, so I'm pretty sure I'm safe from the fears of "sucking up" to anybody. smile Thanks for attempting to insult me anyway, mohitmisra.

    Let me mention the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and while you may not like theirs and they may not like yours, that doesn't give anyone the right to run around barraging people because their views conflict. Keep an open mind and wonder, why does so-and-so think this way? Why does he believe this? Why does she question that? When you get down to the nitty-gritty, no two people are exactly the same, and we must all learn to accept this fact with dignity and humility.

    Jesus was a wonderful man, sure. I can't really argue that. He was a good teacher and a wise and caring human being, a rarity within our species. But I will admit I do not believe there is a God.

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      You are an atheist no wonder.Humanity is still crucifying Jesus and it saddens me..
      He and you are ignorant about God ,I am not .My job is to spread the message of the light and I dont like the saints being insulted..smile
      Also  have never debated or spoken with you before.Its when you defend what is wrong,then I must take my stance .Death could not stop Jesus from speaking the truth and correcting others false beliefs and it will not stop me smile

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Mo - Simply attacking anyone who does not subscribe to your admittedly poor understanding of Jesus' words will not win you any friends. You have insulted me repeatedly just because I do not believe the rubbish you choose to believe.

        The great thing about these online conversations is - they are all written down. And stay here for ever.

        Please quote me where I insulted a saint.

        I may have made fun of you and to be honest - I am becoming sick and tired of hearing how enlightened you are lol

        When you brag as much as you do, you are likely to be made fun of. Like I said - I own shoes that are more enlightened than you lol

        I do not appreciate being attacked every time I say anything. If you cannot say something constructive (or at least witty) - why bother? Is this what your enlightenment has taught you? Attack anyone who says they do not believe the garbage you spout?

        And you know what? It is not garbage because the original saint/writer wrote it as garbage. It is garbage because you do not understand it when you repeat it. You have made this abundantly clear. And are doing so right now.

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Hey there are people getting scared to write because you attack them immediately,threaten to get them banned.Everyone here has some spiritual knowledge if not quite a bit,you have none and should behave accordingly.

  • Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    LOL And I thought something changed!

    Kika, nobody takes him seriously on these forums, so take it easy. With his constant claims to be enlightened and his behavior always contradicting those claims, he is a local entertainment lol

    1. Kika Rose profile image81
      Kika Roseposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, no. I am not Atheist. I am Agnostic. ^_^

      In your eyes, yes, what some say is wrong. Debating is all fine and dandy, but what you're doing is throwing your ideals straight into the faces of those who do not idealize as you do. That leads to other tempers flaring, and no longer constitutes as a debate. I should know; I was on a debate team for years. big_smile

      You can preach to the choir all you like. I will not stop you, it is your right to say what you want. But I will tell you that you are not debating, you are bearbaiting. Your "enlightenment" is nothing shy of personal shortcomings and belittlement of others. I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with your claim of being enlightened.



      Darn it, why didn't I get the memo?? tongue I dunno, Misha. I'm not finding him very entertaining. In truth, I'm finding him more and more impossible to believe. hmm What kind of person says these things while claiming something that completely contradicts every bit of hate he spews? neutral I just don't get people sometimes...

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Nice you are an agnostic and you dont come here and make fun of people who believe in god or the Prophets.It when you backed Marks actions who is constantly insulting is when I said you are wrong to do this. Also Misha knows where knowledge is concerned he is no match for me,he was unable to understand questions I answered.He has no idea what enlightenment is but wants to decide who is enlightened and who is not-Grandmaster Misha hahahahahahhahaha
        Many didnt believe Jesus claim of enlightenment and they crucified him,history is repeating itself.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

          I am literally rolling around with this one. lol

          You are comparing yourself to Jesus now? lol lol lol lol

          1. Kika Rose profile image81
            Kika Roseposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            >.< Mark, you are REALLY not helping my case here... Seriously, why can't everyone just be NICE to each other?? Is that so dang hard??? Ugh! I'm giving up. I should just go live in a cave and become a hermit so I don't have to deal with the stupidity and hatred of humanity, because I've had it up to the gills with everyone.
            *packs her bags and her books and goes to live in a tent in her backyard*

            1. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Like I said Mark you are very ignorant where is concerns matters of the spirit and have no idea what Jesus was about or what enlightenment is.You are laughing at your own ignorance not mine.

            2. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Don't be silly, stay and play.

              Yes, when Mo starts telling me he is being crucified in the same way Jesus was crucified and history is repeating itself, I am likely to laugh at that. Life is to be laughed at.

              Not sure where you get the stupidity and hatred though.

              And you might want to look the words "atheist" and "agnostic" up in a dictionary smile

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Well you are laughing at one of the highest ranked spiritual or religous poet this planet has seen.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  Mo - If you have told me once, you have told me a thousand times how highly ranked you are big_smile

                  It just makes me laugh harder........

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Just shows your arrogance and lack of understanding.Like I said you will not be able to dream of doing what an enlightened one does, that is untill you meditate and get enlightened yourself..

              2. Kika Rose profile image81
                Kika Roseposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                I know the difference between Atheist and Agnostic. I am Agnostic. I believe there is a possibility that there could be a God, and if there is a God, that's great. But until I have enough evidence in my hand to really knock me off my feet, I can't say there is a God, yet I can't say there isn't, either. I just need more proof.
                I grew up Lutheran. I know all about God and His work and the Bible and all that lovely shpiel. There are just too many unanswered questions and untied knots for me to say, without a doubt in my mind and heart, that God is real and I should pledge my soul and life to Him.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  Got me confused smile

                  1. Kika Rose profile image81
                    Kika Roseposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    lol Sorry, I get quite confuddling when I get a little Diet Coke in me. tongue  I still think Atheism is the belief in God, but the choice not to worship Him. I mean, you're still acknowledging His existence in claiming you choose to hate/not believe in Him, you know? Or maybe I'm just getting that from the Atheists I know. I don't believe there is a God, but there is a chance He could be out there. ... Am I getting confusing again? sad

                2. mohitmisra profile image60
                  mohitmisraposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  Kika I think you are sweet and have been trying to go to your home page for the last 20 minutes to become your fan but my comp just keeps hanging up every time.Anyways letting you know,take care,
                  Regards
                  Mohit

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