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Mark 9: 41----what do you think Jesus means here?

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    "For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward."


    Taking the surrounding verses into account, please give your interpretation of the passage.   And what is the "reward" He refers to?

    1. Ms Dee profile image87
      Ms Deeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The person giving a drink of water to a disciple on the ground that he belongs to Jesus clearly illustrates the principle of verse 40--that whoever is not against the disciples is for them. This shows how wide the range of participation is in the mission Jesus is envisioning.

      The offering of a cup of water to quench the thirst in the heat of the middle  eastern sun is seen as an act of hospitality (hospitality is also the thought in verse 37). It is also an example of the humble service the disciples are encouraged to do in verse 35. It is a significant act when the drink is offered to a man because he is a disciple who belongs to Jesus.

      This assumes the same frame of reference as in verse 37, that the one serving the disciple is like the disciple--they are both serving others. Also, what is done to the disciple is done to the one who sent him; Jesus. Jesus therefore sees that the cup of water is extended to himself, and that this act of kindness is actually evidence of faith and obedience. That is why Jesus  promises that the one who shows he (or she) is “for us” by this visible action will not lose his or her reward. Such a person will have a place in the Kingdom of God with the disciples and with Jesus--those with whom the person has now identified himself or herself.

      Also, the reference to “his reward” does not hold the meaning of something deserving or of merit. A cup of water given in service is not meant as meriting participation in the Kingdom. It is just to stress God’s awareness of all who share in the extension of Jesus’ work, and to emphasize that there are no distinctions between “trivial” and “important” tasks. Wherever there is faith and obedience in devotion to Jesus, this call brings God's notice and approval.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Ms Dee and Woman and ecoggins;  I'm still pondering this, but y'all have given much food for thought and some wise insight.  smile

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          Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We all need good food for thought Brenda. big_smile

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        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I love your insightful post Ms Dee. smile

        1. Ms Dee profile image87
          Ms Deeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          WoC, thanks! I do have a lot of Bible commentaries at my disposal, so I cannot take full credit for all the insights. SOme are from Bible scholars.

          1. Woman Of Courage profile image60
            Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ms Dee, That's great. We appreciate you sharing.

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      kessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Christian are confused because they are yet to comprehend.the name of Jesus...they boast about.the name' Jesus' when clearly that is not the name  that the man attributed to himself.
      He called himself by the name that was given to him by his Father, a name that no man knows except it be revealed to them by the Father....
      This is the only name given unto a man that he might be saved...and all who bear this name are one with God and His Christ...
      This name has been revealed to men in this era and they are the chosen one called unto salvation.

      Whose name do you bear?....calling oneself Christian is not enough.

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        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The elephant in the room is all the other "christs" and their relationship with their god.
        Christianity got across the line better than many others as it was prepared to lie cheat and rig the outcome better than the other contenders such as Apollonius Simon Magus and many others.

        Christs were a dime a dozen and so were evangelists in the time of christs supposed entry in to the game of "lets brainwash the peasants and earn our keep that way." groups that sprung up at that time.
        Some things remain the same.

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          sushantkshrposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You have written the exact argument i use over and over again.....smile
          Thumbs up...Completely Agreed.....smile

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        kess, we've been through this before.  The Lord doesn't play head games like you suggest.  If you really knew the "hidden" name or whatever it is you're trying to say that's different from the name Jesus, then you would follow His bidding to spread that Good News to all people in order for them to obtain salvation.  The Bible is not something complicated;  and He doesn't deny anyone who comes to Him with a willing heart. 
        Keep it simple like His word is.  His offer is to all, even if few choose to accept it.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          (sigh)

          kess,
          Okay I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt and ask you, though it will probably do no good this time either............

          Would you tell me what name you mean?

          God is the Great "I Am", that we know 'cause the Bible tells us.
          He is also named "Jealous" and the Alpha and Omega, and a bunch of names according to His word the Bible.

          Share this knowledge you claim to have.

          1. kess profile image59
            kessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Since you strive after letters as in writings and in syllables as in speaking you continue to strive after the word of men and this alienate you from the Word and kingdom of God.....
            The name  belongs to those whom it belong and since you need  to ask means it does not belong to you. Even  if I were to tell you , you would deny it...fulfilling just as he said' he who deny me.before men him I will deny before the Father and His angels..


            All these things must be so that in the end none will be without guilt....for in hearing they will not hear and in reading they will not understand instead they hardened their hearts.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hmmm.

              roll
              I didn't "need" to ask.  I was just trying to engage you in an honest discussion, hoping you might actually want to acknowledge the Savior.

                I should've gone by my first instinct.

        2. sushantkshr profile image69
          sushantkshrposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The Lord Doesnt play Games and as such there is no Lord......These are all man's games.....God is just a Phantom of man's mind

    3. heavenbound5511 profile image77
      heavenbound5511posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Brenda!

      This reminds me somehow of Rahab who hide the spies (the people of God)-Joshua 6:17 And the city shall be devoted, even it and all that is therein, to the LORD; only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

      Mark 9:41-For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
      "Will not lose his reward" Rahab was a harlot- blatant sin against God- yet by her being obedient to God's voice/ command/ leading and hiding the spies- she was counted righteous- in right standing with God now no matter what sins she had committed.




      I think that those who help God's people to spread the gospel of Jesus through food aide, shelter, water- whatever will also be saved just like Rahab. It for sure opens there heart for God to come in and do a work from the inside out- after all it is God that tells the unbelievers and believers alike to give or help - not satan- So those that help the people of God are obeying God to begin with even if they don't know it.

      It makes me think that whoever helps the people of God-to do God's work- spread the Gospel of Jesus will receive a reward like Rahab who was a prostitute- which in the sense of spiritual prostitution and idolatry we all have sinned and fallen short and done this at one point or another.
      James 2:25-Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

      26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

      Matthew 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

         37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

         40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

         41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

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        Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You said it "opens their heart for God to come in and do a work from the inside out".  Yes!  That's what I was pondering.  And the situation about Rahab illustrates that really well!   Good point about the "faith without works is dead" too.

  2. ecoggins profile image92
    ecogginsposted 6 years ago

    Generally,the verse seems to mean that those who do not dedicate their lives and leave everything to proclaim Jesus and the good news of salvation through him should be open handed and willing to support those who do. We should be kind to, honor, and support those who serve the Lord and the cause of his Kingdom.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks!
      Anything else?
      Is Jesus referring to other Christians besides the disciples, or non-believers, or both?   In previous verses, the disciples said there were people casting out devils, etc., in Jesus's name but that they didn't follow them (the disciples).  Jesus told them to let them be.   Why?

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    MelissaBarrettposted 6 years ago

    The only verses that really connect to MK 9:41 are 38-41.  MK 9:42 begins the transition into another topic.

    To me it is those who believe in Christ and do charitable acts are not to be condemned because that are not in Christs "inner circle".  Basically, if they are doing Christ's work, then they are true followers regardless of what the apostles opinions. 

    A reminder to give freely, also a reminder to the apostles to, essentially, mind their own business.

    There is also a clear distinction her between the apostles and Christ, and maybe a bit of "I'll decide what is acceptable in my name".

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      Emile Rposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Melissa, I read through this thread and I looked up the verses in question. I have to say. Wow. That's a great interpretation. So profound. So insightful. And, dare I say deep? Yes. I dare.

      Well done. smile

      Just thought you should get a pat on the back. For obvious reasons.

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      stepcoachposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Melissa, the date tab on your comment indicates that you wrote this two years ago. Isn't God amazing that He would continue to use these words He gave to you after all this time. I was Googling for an answer to this subject and found your answer here ... right where and when I needed it. Well done, good and faithful servant!

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    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    Was there a pull-tab on the bottom of the cup?  Is the reward a free super-size upgrade?

    1. pennyofheaven profile image79
      pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hehe...No giving with the heart is the reward. Nothing like giving out of gratitude or love. If it is given with hidden agendas the reward of giving is lost.

  5. Woman Of Courage profile image60
    Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago

    From my understanding, Jesus can see the kindness demonstrated with actions that are real. It's a genuine loving act motivated by the love of Jesus.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes.

      But it isn't clear whether the ones who were casting out devils in Jesus's name were actually followers of Christ.  They would've sought to join His group if they had been...?  Do you see it that way too?    So what was their "reward" in that case?
      He said because the disciples belonged to Him........so He was saying they represent Him, right?

      1. Ms Dee profile image87
        Ms Deeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The one's casting out demons in Jesus' name cannot be--at the same time--those who are against him. In other words, Jesus is telling his disciples, the are *not* the enemy. Their reward is simply God's approval of their actions--actions that are serving God's plan against evil.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ah, now that's what I was wondering about!
          So, although the reward is approval of their good deeds, it isn't necessarily salvation. 
          I do know God can even take the actions of unbelievers and bring it around to show His power..

          Jesus says the opposite in Matthew 12: 30, but the two scenarios are different.

          1. Ms Dee profile image87
            Ms Deeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You are right, Brenda, the two situations are different. However, I think what is said in the Mat verse about those being 'with' him, is the same as here in Mark in the broader scheme of things--exclusive to his 12 disciples. Those in the Mark passage were by their actions showing they are 'with' him.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Okay.
              What do you think of verse 26 and 27 in Matthew 12?   Isn't 27 saying that devils cannot be cast out by any power except His?

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                Ms Deeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Okay, let's see... Yes, he is saying that demons cannot be case out by the demon ruler or the one in control of demons because that ruler (Beelzebul, i.e. Satan) would be working *against* himself. So, yes, that leaves his power being the one that casts them out and also shows his power source is not that of Beelzebul.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Okay.  I'm thinking of verses also where it says people will say they've cast out devils in His name, but He will tell them He never knew them.   I think that may mean they just SAY they've cast out devils, when in fact they haven't...

                   
                  You're not alone in checking out scholars' notes.  I've used the Blue Letter Bible commentaries before.  But some of them aren't in-depth enough, and I don't take any scholars' interpretations as correct unless they match up with the Bible's overall intent.   I like to hear and read commentaries by any Christian!   I know a Pastor who uses a Bible with a running commentary by Jimmy Swaggart!  Not to say he necessarily agrees with everything Swaggart or anyone else thinks, but it is good to check out what other Christians think.

                  1. Ms Dee profile image87
                    Ms Deeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Mat 7:22?

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                  brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  how is casting out a devil working against himself? The devil is not destroyed. It is not told where to go, it can go back in or it can go into another person.
                  Why cannot the leader of the demons reassign his demons? Is there a rule?
                  There is more here than in the verse the OP wants to talk about.
                  maybe next time

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Actually, I think that's a very good point, brotheryochanon.   I was wondering about it.   
                    So, do you think "Satan" (false prophets) CAN "cast out Satan" (for lack of a better way to phrase it), but it's not a complete job because the demon returns to that "dry place" I believe the Bible says?

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                    SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Rewriting Ms. Dee's post to read as she intended.

                    Okay, let's see... Yes, he (Jesus) is saying that demons cannot be cast out by the demon ruler or the one in control of demons because that ruler (Beelzebul, i.e. Satan) would be working *against* himself. So, yes, that leaves his (Jesus') power being the one that casts them out and also shows his (Jesus') power source is not that of Beelzebul.

        2. Woman Of Courage profile image60
          Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I agree Ms Dee. smile Powerful message!

          1. Ms Dee profile image87
            Ms Deeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Good to hear your responses Brenda and WoC, that his makes sense to you.

      2. Woman Of Courage profile image60
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No isn't clear were they actually followers of Christ. The verse Mark 9:39 is stating, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name,that can lightly speak evil of me. Jesus told his disciples to forbid him not because the man was not against him. The person was casting out demons in Jesus name.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, all the glory went to Jesus  smile

  6. Sinbadsailorman profile image54
    Sinbadsailormanposted 6 years ago

    Basically in Our world there are four types of People.

    1. Those who do not confess that Jesus has come and do not keep or do his words or works.

    2. Those who do confess that Jesus has come and do not keep His words or do His works.

    3. Those who do not confess that Jesus has come and Keep and Do His words and works.

    4. Those who do Confess that Jesus Has Come and Both Keep His words and do His works

    More then Likely it was the #3. Type as Jesus at this time was not yet Crucified, but still in His unharmed flesh. He had not yet paid the ransom or the price for our release for all of our sins. So they would not believe Jesus was the Christ until after wards. But even today people who do keep the commandments and do the works shall not lose their reward which is eternal life.

    People are reserved unto Judgment they are In Paradise. God has sorted them and separated them by their own choices. Those who do not hear or believe are considered Luke warm And God spews them out of His Mouth as Vomit. Now taking inconsideration what I have said about the Bible and there being Both Truth and Non truth with in its text.

    Here is a good example How do we discern this passage of God's Nature Would our loving God up chuck these who just do Know? Well Not in my opinion or the opinion of our Lord Jesus in this Verse of Luke.

    But instead If they Have a reward Coming which is eternal Life Plus the doings of Their works or good deeds. For these do follow you into the new Heaven or the new Earth. They earn you your robe and crown and/or your position in the New Earth or the New Heaven

    The #3 would mostly be upon earth those who did Gods works and Kept His words, but did not believe in Jesus as the Christ or the Son of God, but by default they did. Because they did as He commanded so they unknowingly Believed on Jesus.

    God Keeps All the Good and casts away all the Bad. You may be able to fool your self But you can't Fool God. Hope this answers your Questions.

    Donnie/ Sinbad the Sailor Man

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting point about Jesus not having been crucified yet!  Thanks.

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      brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The #3 would mostly be upon earth those who did Gods works and Kept His words, but did not believe in Jesus as the Christ or the Son of God, but by default they did. Because they did as He commanded so they unknowingly Believed on Jesus.

      Since christianity is entirely jesus based as the Son of God, "we can do nothing except that God do it in us, first".  There is no default. Salvation only comes through one way and that is through Christ on the cross. We can never dismiss what jesus did on the cross nor can we go around it. We must go through the cross and that means identifying with Christ.

  7. Judah's Daughter profile image88
    Judah's Daughterposted 5 years ago

    Hi sister, Brenda!

    I haven't read the whole forum yet, but I do want to post what God laid on my heart when I read the initial question.  It's Gen 12:3 "And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse..."  Mark 9:41 seems to confirm this truth.  This would also address the 'reward'...

    If you belong to Christ and someone blesses you, even with a cup of water, because you are His, they are blessed by God.  Likewise, if you bless another who is a child of God (and God knows who are His ~ we can't always know...), you are blessed by God.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi!
      Amen.  I think so too.  I'm just wondering what that blessing (reward) is.  Is it temporary depending on the intent of the person's heart, or does it have eternal implications?

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        Judah's Daughterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Brenda, What I gathered from heavenbound5511's posting is that he may believe Rahab was eternally justified by just her 'work' of protecting the spies.  Let's say Rahab continued in prostitution throughout the remainder of her life.  Does God's Word say that unrepentant fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Or is she eternally justified by that one deed, no matter what?  Rather, Rahab was spared (saved) from the death and destruction that came upon that city (reward/blessing) at the time she hid the spies.

        When Nicodemus asked Jesus what it took to be saved, he was not told to give Jesus a cup of water.  We must be careful not to give eternal meaning to "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you", let alone "For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward." If an unbeliever blesses a believer, s/he too will receive a blessing (in this earthly life, but does not inherit eternal salvation).  Likewise, if an unbeliever curses a believer, s/he too will be cursed (in this life and the next).

        We are not justified by works alone; the Bible is clear on that.  We are rewarded for the work that is accomplished by obedience to the leading of the Holy Spirit ~ by faith.  "Faith without works is dead" (Jam 2:20, 26) goes right along with "faith working through love" (Gal 5:6), for if we don't have love that comes from God (agape), our works are worthless (1 Cor 13).

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        Sinbadsailormanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        There are only two choices to pick from Life eternal or Death. There is But One True reward the rest are but blessings and gifts and GOD gives them to all his children for He wishes are that None shall Perish and He loves them All!

        For He Created Them ALL! Jesus was making this clear to the disciples.
          And Jesus Had to do this Twice for the Disciples were not yet Apostles they were still Students  and neither did they yet understand all that they needed to be Teachers as well as elders. There is Only One Reward that is Life eternal.

        Once you Have this you then you are to earn your position in GOD's Heaven. You Can get a good start on that Position here and Now. Heaven Is Not One simple Place where we all lounge about forever and ever. There is a government there. And there is Much Work to be done. GOD never stops creating It Is What He does.

        Here and Now in the flesh we can start Earning Our Robes and Crowns. Our Garments if you will. Works will not save you! For they are not rewards they are gifts  and Blessings which are given for works and just because you have found favor in the eyes of Your Father.

        You Must Claim your reward or you shall lose it! God does Not repent from Gifts!

        And Blessings are something all in all different If you retain Favor you'll keep the Blessings. If you lose Favor. You will lose the Blessing.  Tis Only One Reward!

        It is Not clear to me if this passage is stating the proper terminology for this Word Reward? It may be either of the three, But I am more incline to believe it is a Blessing and then a Gift that leads to the reward.

        The disciples are warn not to hinder those who are coming to their reward not once, but twice in Luke: 9 And Mark :9 The disciples were Just That Students still Learning.

        They even argued to who was greatest among themselves. And Thought they were better then the rest, they were not fully Humbled Yet. They even wanted to Call down Fire from Heaven upon the children.

        Peter James and John were the First to become aware of who Jesus truly IS! There was much learning yet to be done and they the 12 were no where near ready.

        As were not the ones casting out in Jesus Name! They Just believed they could and they did. As a little Child knoweth Not that he can not until He is told that he can not!

 
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