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The Bible

  1. preacherdon profile image79
    preacherdonposted 5 years ago

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    The Lord told me that I shouldn't be amazed that people deny that the Bible is authentic. After all, it is not the Bible that they take issue with but its message. The arguments they use to dispute the Bible are only excuses used to cover the fact that they just don't believe it or the God it reveals. They argue that there are contradictions in the Bible when, in reality, these are different books written by different people with different voice and different perspectives but the same message. The Lord revealed to me that even if there were not these "perceived" contradictions in the Bible, these same disputers would argue and say that the Bible sounds too much like one voice to have been written by so many people over such a long period of time.  In short, there would be no pleasing these people regardless of which voice the Bible used. What is your take?

    1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I'll just touch on the first five books of the bible. It is said that those five books were all written by Moses. Yet we have 2 different creations stories from Genesis chapter one and chapter two. And in one part it says that Abraham was married to his sister (same dad), but later on condemns the practice. Also it states that if you have sexual relations with your brothers wife, you are to be killed and no children will come of the relations, but later it says if your brother dies to marry your brothers wife and have kids in his name. They are 2 different names used for God in these first five books as well, Elohim and Yehwah. There are many inconsistancies in these first 5 books. Why? Because they were edited and rewritten by at least four different schools of thought during or right after the reign of King Solomon (possibly right about the time of the exile to babylon)

      1. preacherdon profile image79
        preacherdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Genesis 1 describes the creation of the earth and mankind. Geneis 2 is a continuation of Genesis 1. Abraham was not married to his sister. This is what he told Pharoah because he was afraid of being killed over her. No, you are not to have sexual relations with your brother's wife while he is alive but after he dies, God commands him the brother to marry the wife to raise children in the dead man's name so that his name does not die off from the earth. Try reading a book before you criticize it.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think you're right.   There's just no pleasing them.  It's the same with whatever preacher preaches the word within their earshot.   They don't want to hear,  and will try to use whatever excuses they can find, and pick at whatever weakness the messenger may have.  There were people in the church I grew up in who used the fact that one of the preachers smoked cigarettes to say they shouldn't listen to the message of salvation.

      1. Ms Dee profile image86
        Ms Deeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with Brenda. Simply excuses to not humbly seek in faith someone bigger than themselves.

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Know exactly what you mean Brenda.
        Scoffers and mockers are not searching ,they have found a new way to get attention! Remember kids in the playground who called other kids names-attention getters-

        But even though we have quacks in our society that pop up from time to time ,I see that doesnt stop people going to the Doctors wink

        1. getitrite profile image81
          getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Then I suppose you finally have proof for us unreasonable scoffers?

          LET'S SEE IT!  And we will join you in praising your God..you know..the one that we think is imaginary!

          1. SplitrockCheckers profile image60
            SplitrockCheckersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I think you should actualy read more than 2 coments before you coment with somthing so stupid as that. it is just an excuse for not believing in Gods word.

            1. getitrite profile image81
              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              What an evil, angry, insulting Christian.  There is absolutely no basis to your statement whatsoever.

              Maybe you should learn the art of argument, instead of believing in abject nonsense.

              What could actually be more STUPID than a grown-up believing in Santa Claus?!

              Think about your beliefs before you spout your emotional childish tantrums at me.

              ...and still your God is imaginary GARBAGE! sad

          2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
            Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I have faith.
            Its what I believe.

            You dont have faith.
            You dont believe.

            Seems pretty easy to figure for me.


            I don't have to prove anything to you!! BUT I will keep speaking about God whenever I want.If I gotta listen to you ,then you will hear me too smile

            Its a big world, room for us both bossy boots!

            1. getitrite profile image81
              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks for totally evading the request.

              The only reason for this is that you have NOTHING but a state of delusion to offer me. 

              Do you realize how dishonest your religion requires you to be?

              OMG!!!!

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Calm down ,all this hyped up drama is not good for your health smile

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                  Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That's bizarre. You and I must be on the same wavelength this morning. I just told someone a similar thing in another thread. lol

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    lol..hehe.. road rage ,forum rage ?

                2. getitrite profile image81
                  getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Still evading, I see. 
                  I guess your God can't even help you answer an easy, honest question.
                  You should never have to falsify claims for your God, NEVER!
                  Maybe it's time you took a long and critical look at HIM.

                  This does not look good! sad

          3. preacherdon profile image79
            preacherdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You cannot prove God logically. As a preacher once said, He deliberately hides Himself from those who refuse to believe. If you are unwilling to see Him in creatoin, if you are unwilling to see Him in the miracle of birth, then there is nothing that will convince you. As I wrote in my hub, those who say they don't believe in God because they don't see Him won't believe in Him when tthey will (see Revelation 19 and 20).

            1. getitrite profile image81
              getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Do you realize that this is the definition of delusion.  Unless I'm delusional, of course, God is going to 'hide' from me.  It is when I become delusional that imaginary things appear to be real.



              I'm only willing to see HIM if he actually appears to ME.  Those things you described above are only things that happen through the processes of nature.  There is no need to imply that your imaginary, nonexistent God had anything to do with it.



              If I told you I was God, you would not believe me, yet I could be God...because I'm proposing the same claim that Jesus made.  I could be Jesus returning...but YOU wouldn't believe me.   I don't think YOU would believe in God, even when YOU see HIM!

    3. Titen-Sxull profile image92
      Titen-Sxullposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Sounds like you're trying to shift the burden of proof.

      Sorry but the ball is still in your court, its still up to believers to explain to us why we should care about their claims or the claims of their book. Maybe God should stop revealing things to people like you and share what he has to say with the rest of the class. I have a feeling he won't though, because he doesn't exist outside your mind.

      1. aka-dj profile image79
        aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, He wants to speak to you.

        What needs to happen is, you need to get Him "inside" your heart.

        As long as He's outside of your "mind", you will not hear Him, anyway!


        What are you expecting?

        A megaphone from the sky? (tongue in cheek) smile

        It amazes me how so many want Him to "dance to their tune".
        If He is God, (and LORD), ought it not be the other way round?

        1. Titen-Sxull profile image92
          Titen-Sxullposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "What are you expecting?"

          Some amount of evidence.

          According to the Bible God is like a Father, if that's the case he's the most neglectful parent in history.

          "It amazes me how so many want Him to "dance to their tune"."

          God doesn't have to dance to anyone's tune, but he should at the very least show up to the ball and dance for everyone to see. Otherwise he has no right condemning those who don't believe. If no one sees Cinderella at the ball she can't very well be angry them for believing she wasn't there to begin with.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            "...dance for everyone to see"...?   
            He "has no right"?

            I guess His dying for you wasn't good enough....wow.
            And He has not only the "right", but the power to do whatever He wants.  Good thing He's merciful.

            1. Titen-Sxull profile image92
              Titen-Sxullposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Wait, are you saying your God is dead?

              Care to tell us what Jesus died to save people from and why he couldn't have accomplished that without dying?

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Jesus died for your sins.
                Rose again on the 3rd day
                Victory smile over sin and death.

                P.S How did you escape this indoctrination lol

                Off with your head!

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  haha Eaglekiwi.
                  Awesomely simple Truthful and fun post. smile

                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks Brenda

                    God protecting my joy with a shield of humour I guess wink

                    I love your well thought out posts
                    Wise and uncluttered.

                    We are all like a piece of thread and God weaves us exactly where he wants,dont ya think?

                    Sometimes its sad ,because I see only the raggy  knotted side ,ie: mockery, critising,slander BUT God holds it all together and I know He never gives up and one day we will see and know His finished work...from the right side.

                    Beautiful and perfect in every way!

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                Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                God is a Trinity.  Father, Son, Holy Spirit.  One God, Three manifestations, distinct in function but inseparable because they're all God.
                Not dead, no.  Very much alive!

                Jesus died to save you from your sins, everyone from their sins, if they choose to accept.   Sacrifice follows Love.  He could've done anything He wanted.  He could've called legions of angels to set Him free from the cross or even before that event.  But He chose to set the perfect example of how much He loves you and how a human can have eternal life.

                1. Repairguy47 profile image59
                  Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Very well put.

                2. Titen-Sxull profile image92
                  Titen-Sxullposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "Not dead, no.  Very much alive!"

                  Than he didn't die for anyone, because he isn't dead. A sacrifice means nothing when nothing is being sacrificed.

                  Jesus died to save people from their sins? That doesn't make any sense. You still sin don't you? And you're a Christian who's supposedly been saved from your sins. Thus Jesus did not save anyone from sins.

                  "But He chose to set the perfect example of how much He loves you and how a human can have eternal life."

                  So God killed his own son to show how much he loves us. Sorry but that's not a loving act, it's sick and cruel. Does your God not know that there are better ways to show love than having an innocent man brutally murdered?

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Is that all you see in that?  Do you really not entertain the concept that God is the Creator and can do what He wants to with His creation?

                    Jesus died;  his human body suffered and died.  But not His Spirit.  We all have a spirit inside us.  If we accept Christ, we have the Holy Spirit inside us.
                    It's not hard to believe that Jesus died and rose again.  He's alive!

                    God didn't kill His own son.  He offered Him, gave Him, yes, gave Jesus the opportunity to save the world.  Jesus laid down His own life willingly.  And Jesus was God in the flesh.  The book of John tells us this.  Hard for people to understand sometimes, but...

                    I'll have to save further input for later.  I'm too sleepy.  But, even if we debate and disagree, I always appreciate the opportunity to talk about my Savior!  So thanks.  Maybe see ya later?!  smile

                  2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Man can not forgive or destroy sin.
                    We /me/you do not have that power.

                    An ideal world would be one ,where no one needed forgiveness or justice for wrong doing etc ,BUT we dont live in an ideal world...

                    Dont you see that mankind is out of control, he seeks power at any cost ,and pleasure without consequence.
                    A broken heart is a high price to pay.
                    Foolish ways make fools out of the wise wink

                    In answer to a couple of things in your post.
                    Jesus died to remove the outcome of eveuntual consequence of sin ie..dead forever! and to provide a bridge ,way back for man to reconcile to God the Father.

                    In line with the culture of the time,an unblemished sacrifice was required by Jewish law-
                    The sins of mankind required a sacrifice without blemish-Jesus was that sacrificial lamb!

                    So yes people still sin ,but with remorse and change the option is now available to reconciliate with God (the Judge) through accepting His son,His sacrifice...

                    That is what the scripture means ,There is one death known to man...the other is to be born again -spiritually...

    4. Evolution Guy profile image61
      Evolution Guyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Have you considered the possibility that those of us who choose to educate ourselves about these things are aware that the message is false and the contradictions are real? Only blind faith allows you to lie to yourself about this.

      There is no god. You do not speak on it's behalf and - constantly berating those of us who can think for ourselves only causes ill will and conflicts.

      Does the bible tell you to verbally attack those who do not believe? I missed that part. Perhaps you could quote the part that says to attack people who do not believe?

      Thanks.

    5. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      ...And the Son of Sam's neighbor's dog told him to kill people!  Should we go around believing people when they propose psychotic claims?!

    6. pennyofheaven profile image82
      pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It's all very fascinating don't you think? What God told you applies to almost every human interaction known to man.

      The cheating spouse will use arguments to cover the fact that he just don't believe in the ideals of marriage.

      The criminal will use arguments to not only cover the crime but to hide the fact that they just don't believe or couldn't care less about the law.

      There is an endless list of what arguments people use.

      Even if one sees contradictions to this or that, they will continue to act and be just how they are based on how they perceive whatever.

    7. bluebird profile image61
      bluebirdposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The Bible cannot be understood without the addition of the Holy Spirit to one's mind. The carnal mind is enmity against God and His Word, the spiritual mind is submissive to God and His Word. So anyone not walking after the Spirit will make excuses and reason around God and His word, and will worship God as they see fit in their own minds, doesn't matter what God has to say about it.
      The things of God are spiritually discerned.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        For the most part, that's true.
        But there are actual facts of life and long-proven rules of behavior that stem from the Bible that anyone can understand!  Even creation itself!  But I'll forego that creation argument for now since unbelievers will stubbornly debate that no matter what.

        The Ten Commandments are laws that even secular people do understand.  And they're universally understood, wouldn't you say, in all the world?!  Universally, people know it's wrong to lie, steal, cheat, etc., or even to worship anything/anyone who didn't lay down those rules!

        In America, our laws were fashioned on those Commandments and other Biblical concepts.  Even our bankruptcy laws are based on the Bible's condoning of mercy to a debtor,  the time of "jubilee".  Very interesting passages about that.

        bluebird, AMEN, you post like a Believer, so I'm not trying to argue against your (true) statement that the things of God are spiritually discerned.
        I'm just saying that there are many people who are NOT deceived and they deliberately rebell at the laws of God.   Jesus asked God to "forgive" the people "because they know not what they do".   Amen.  But there are people who do know what they do, and they take great pleasure in defying God and swaying others to defy Him.  So they cannot rightly make excuses.

    8. Apostle Jack profile image60
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I say that the proof is in the putting.The out come of what is there have a factor in the out come thereof. There are true men of there as there are false ones,it is just so few.But the ones that was chosen by God to put it on paper brought forth a "spiritual concept" that is complete above letters and words.

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    What is my take? Hard to say. I couldn't get past the fact that you repeatedly said God told you. Do you honestly think he's talking to you and sharing an opinion on what others think? That might be a problem. smile

    1. TMMason profile image72
      TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      God speaks to us all, Emile.

      Some refuse to acknowledge it, others ignore it, many convince themselves it isn't so, and some few actually listen, and maybe someday gain understanding.

      Some few.

      @ E.

      There were twelve witnesses who hung day and night with JC... and many who saw him and the wonders he performed. Or are you going to argue that 12 men plus many of thier disciples went world-wide and worked feverishly and died pretty horid deaths, all in the name of a lie they made up around the campfire one night?

      Sure... if you think so.

      How you been E? I hope well.

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        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm fine Mr. Mason. smile You're a bit of an oddity to me. Putting words in people's mouths then uttering inane pleasantries.

        I don't argue that people feel as if they are connected, or that they don't feel as if moved by the spirit. I do have serious reservations about people who claim they've had a conversation and that conversation includes an almighty god sharing other people's thoughts. It sounds presumptuous and I consider it to be an attempt at insulting without taking responsibility for your own actions. Something christians are quite proficient at. If you don't like my words. That's fine with me. I'm intelligent enough and grounded in reality firmly enough to understand that my opinion is simply that.

        What else did you say I said?.....oh. The disciples. I see no reason to argue that point. Did it happen the way you think it did? I don't know. I don't care. The more important question to me is what was the point? What was the message they were attempting to convey to us? You and I could go round and round with that and we would never agree. Let's don't and say we did. You guys' hate filled interpretation always depresses me.

        So, (when in Rome) how have you been? Is the baby still down for a visit?

        Edit: I just realized half of your post was to Ernest. Sorry for responding to the part that wasn't directed at me.

        1. TMMason profile image72
          TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I did not put any words in your mouth, Emile. I don't understand where you get that? Was that in response to the part to E?

          Anyway. I am fine and the baby is gone home a couple days ago. I am glad you are well and have a great day.

          @E

          Yes E, a dime a dozen. but in a court of law 12 witnesses would get you convicted bro. So I do not dismiss their accounts just because there were others around.

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            Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Did you read my post all the way through to the end? I did apologize for misunderstanding. In my defense, the first letter in my name is also an E. So, you have to give me some latitude. smile

            1. TMMason profile image72
              TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes I read the whole post. But I thought maybe you were refferring to other things as well. No problem.

    2. preacherdon profile image79
      preacherdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I said the Lord told me that people who don't believe the Bible will always find an excuse not to. Now they say it is because there are too many inconsistencies. The reason for these inconsistencies is that they were written by different people over thousands of years. I didn't say God told me what was on people's minds.

      God speaks but people don't listen. Jesus said His sheep know His voice. However, if you don't believe He exist you won't hear His voice. Trying to explain that to an unbeliever is like trying to explain motion picture to someone from the deep jungles of the Amazon.

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        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        And attempting to point out to the religious that their personal opinion of God is just their attempt to lay claim to something they were never meant to own exclusively is akin to telling a two year old to share. It is beyond their ability, or desire,  to attempt to grasp the concept.

      2. recommend1 profile image70
        recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It is hard to imagine anyone being so pretentious in these enlightened times as to believe that they are entitled to speak for a super omnipresent creator of the whole universe, imaginary or not !

        It is just such egomaniacal spoutings that give us the best clues as to where the idea of a god comes from - within the human pysche.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The Bible tells believers to spread the Gospel,so your arguement is with the author-God smile

          1. Evolution Guy profile image61
            Evolution Guyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            This is why your beliefs cause so much conflict. You accept no personal responsibility and blame your offensive behavior on something that does not exist.

            1. TMMason profile image72
              TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              May God bless you, EG.

              1. Evolution Guy profile image61
                Evolution Guyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Awww - thanks. LOLOL Empty, self serving rhetoric from you? Shocker. lol

                1. TMMason profile image72
                  TMMasonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You know me EG... always spreading the luv.

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No I can not take credit for writing the Bible.

              But it is man's instruction book from the Creator.
              Sucks when you buy something and it doesnt come with a manual.

              Be wise E.G read it.

              1. Evolution Guy profile image61
                Evolution Guyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                What nonsense. I have read it. It is not an instruction book from a Creator. lol How funny you ignore the bits about women preachers and not getting involved in protracted arguments with intelligent, educated people who reject majik.

                Looks like you should take your own advice and actually read it instead of selectively using it to attack people and then blame some one else.

                Why would I want to behave as you do? People such as yourself are the reason I began to question in the first place.

                Thanks.

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh I wouldn't say my behaviour is hostile ,nope not one lil bit.

                  Why are you so paranoid and oh so pompous!

                  Any wisdom you have comes from minds that were created by a God available to ALL!

                  So dont be fooled.

          2. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So few words, yet so much wrong.

            Here's a revelation for you, the author of the Bible was not God. They are stories written by men who make no other claims to the contrary.

            Regardless of whether a book or a person tells you to go out and do something, do you always do it? If not, then it isn't an argument that you would spread the Gospels just because the Gospels told you.

            There are a lot of things in the Bible that you're supposed to do but you never do them. So, don't cherry pick.

            A persons actions, whether brought on by a book, another person, psychosis or whatever are not in any way shifted in their consequences to a third party. That person is still responsible for their actions. Whatever conflict arises from your spreading of the Gospels is entirely your responsibility and no one else.

            The third party in question is God. Do you actually believe for a second that anyone of us could approach God with an argument? Don't you think it's a little dishonest to make that statement knowing well God wouldn't talk to us?

            Do you always treat God in that way? What I mean is that whenever you have a problem or disagreement with someone because of your actions, do you always divert them over for God to deal with? Do you believe He would appreciate that behavior from you?

            Do you ever consider what other people want or need? You believe you do because the Bible tells you they do. For the most part, people expect to be treated with respect and the only way they can receive it is to give it. If you make demands on them that they accept or deny your Gospels, you are failing their expectations of respect and are being totally selfish.

            Again, these are entirely your actions towards others and shouldn't be the responsibility of God.

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              Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I just wanted to say this was an excellent post. It couldn't have been said any better.

            2. preacherdon profile image79
              preacherdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The Bible was written by God's inspiration not by God's hand. The words are His. The message is His. We are commanded in His word to tell the news that God loves them and that Jesus died for them to restore the relationship between God and man. If you choose to believe, GREAT! If not, it's on you. You can mock Him if you wish but one day you will regret it whether you believe it or not.
              You say the Bible isn't true. Perhaps you can explain why it is that it predicted the alliance between Iran, Libya, Egypt, and other Middle East countries centuries before they did.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Congratulations and thank you!

                You have successfully, succinctly and accurately portrayed and exhibited every single point I made in my post. Further, you exceeded all expectations and poured on the derision by adding insult to injury and threatening me to accept it or not. Truly inspirational.



                Oh, so now you want to have a discussion about the Bible, after that? lol

  3. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    The bible is a pile.

    Within the next few years the controlling indoctrination will come to a screeching halt as more of the lies are revealed.

    IN the series "secret bible" the history of JC and all the other religiously impaired evangelicals are discovered to be nothing more than liars.

    Jesus probably never existed, as there is not one iota of proof that he did. There were hundreds of these jesuses, all flogging religion to avoid having to get a real job.

    Watch and learn.

    Fools for religion will believe any crud at all, but they are getting old and dying off.

    Try selling this cods-wallop to a modern well educated child and you will get laughed at as you should..

  4. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    Christs, and disciples were a dime a dozen so to speak, we had many other religious salesmen at the time. It was a lot easier to get fed catering to the ignorant and their superstitions than working for a living that's for sure.
    How many christs were there? Probably hundreds.
    Here are 10 of them, that predate christianity and these do not include his contemporaries such as Simon Magnus, Apollonius et al.

    http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chri … ate-jesus/

  5. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    It seems to me that the religiously impaired avoid reading anything that disagrees with their myth or clearly shows that it is all a pile of concocted controlling nonsense.

    It was meant for the ignorant 2,000 years ago, but the ignorant by choice ignore progress and still want to be off with the fairies today.

  6. renegadetory profile image90
    renegadetoryposted 5 years ago

    I think the reason people scoff at the Sscriptures or find reasons to discount it as being "fiction," "contradictory," or even just a bunch of nonsense is because then they can feel justified in their minds for not following God's laws.  They feel they can then do whatever they want with no ramifications to their actions.

    1. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Do you mean things like: 

      Start wars.

      Enslave People.

      Oppress people for their sexual orientation.

      Commit genocide.

      Oppress women.

      Discrimination.

      Segregation.

  7. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image91
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago

    getitrite - you are a master of picking and choosing what to read and what not to read.  Perhaps some philological study would right your thinking errors, prejudiced as they are by a mass media that long ago stated that the new age should be that of secular humanism?

    1. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I have read the entire thread.  So you have just asserted something that is only conjecture.  YOU HAVE STATED A LIE...based on that conjecture.  Sorry your God requires that you bare false witness against innocent people.  I don't think I read that in the BIBLE...and this forum is about the BIBLE, isn't it?  YOU should read the bible sometime when you get a chance.



      Perhaps some common sense, some honesty, and some courage would change you from the delusional, willful ignorance that you favor over your own intellect.

      You have some gall to talk to me about thinking errors.  Sad indeed!

  8. lone77star profile image90
    lone77starposted 5 years ago

    Even Christians can get the Bible wrongly. Conflicting interpretations!

    There is a great deal of wisdom hidden in the Bible. It takes humility to find it.

    Preacherdon makes a good point about the various "voices" of the writers and compilers. But there are lessons to be learned that few if any are discussing.

    Hidden Wisdom

    One of the mysteries I've discovered in my own exegetical research is that the Jewish mystics (Kabbalists) had a hand in preparing Genesis. Some scholars think the Kabbalah didn't originate before the Middle Ages. But the Kabbalah's "Tree of Life" is embedded in two chapters of Genesis.

    I have also discovered answers to why God would give inordinate protection to a murderer and a liar (Cain). I have also discovered the real meaning of the seemingly outrageous longevity of the early patriarchs. Methuselah, the man, did not live to 969 years; but Methuselah, the tribe, likely existed far longer. Why? The ages of those early patriarchs are too short!

    The Need for Humility in the Search for Answers

    Biblical literalists are being arrogant and lazy. Our Lord required us to be humble and hardworking. How are they lazy? Because they think they have the answers already and have stopped looking. There is more in there!

    And why are some biblical literalists disrespecting science? It seems that their arrogance is getting ahead of itself. Science studies reality and is doing a very fine job of it. Just look at the technology of our current civilization. If science were not batting close to 1000 (a baseball term for "perfection"), we wouldn't have all of these things. To disrespect or ignore science (reality) is to court delusion. That's not good.

    Ignoring Science = Courting Delusion

    Science tells us that humanity has been around for at least 200,000 years. So, Archbishop Ussher's 6000 years for humanity is far too short. We need a factor to multiply those ages. And, wouldn't you know it? The Bible supplies all we need.

    The Real Reason Behind Noah's Flood

    And the reason for Noah's Flood. The reasons most biblical scholars put forth do not stand up even under casual scrutiny. Wickedness and violence cannot have been the reason for Noah's Flood if humanity has continued to do these things. God was satisfied that the Flood had done its job. He promised never again to use the Flood.

    Logic: If God was satisfied with the Flood, and man has continued to be wicked and violent, then the reason for the Flood must have been some special form of wickedness or violence which man has been unable to repeat since the Flood.

    The clues are in there, and the true culprit can be found by comparing the new Genesis timeline with those of science. Amazing what you will find when you get your interpretation right.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The story of the great flood was clearly stolen from The Epic of Gilgamesh and added into the old myth book by the unknown writer(s) of Genesis.

      Or did your god merely get the idea from the previous saga because he had no original ideas of his own?  smile

      1. lone77star profile image90
        lone77starposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Harsh words, Randy. "Stolen?" What if it was? It may also be possible that the Flood, as used in Genesis, was merely a symbolic morality tale referencing something entirely different. There are a lot of scientific problems with the Flood story. But none of them are impossible to resolve.

        The biblical literalists' date (based on Ussher's 1650 timeline) was 2348 BC, but there was too much happening then. If the Flood was a real event, that was not the right date. Three years after this date, Egypt's sixth dynasty started. Thirteen years after this date, Sargon the Great conquered Sumer. Where did all these other people come from if Noah and his family were the only ones on Earth?

        You see, Randy. Details. Research. Looking at the subject at least a bit objectively. I suspect that all of the objectivity has worn off of your "clearly stolen" statement, and it has become an idee fixe occluding the consideration of other possibilities.

        A code I discovered in Genesis leads to a timeline compatible with those of science. It places the Flood at 27,970 BC. Wouldn't it be surprising if scientists were to find in the GISP2 ice cores saltwater damage at this date in their samples. Would they even report a thin smear of sodium chloride there? Would they have even tested for it?

        It's interesting that the superficial tales in Genesis have other "artifacts" hidden underneath them.

        Like the seemingly outrageous longevity of the early patriarchs or the incredible protection God afforded a murderer and liar (Cain). These are code for something else. For one, a biblical timeline compatible with those of science. For another, the Kabbalists' "Tree of Life" embedded in two chapters of Genesis. And many skeptical scholars think the Kabbalists didn't exist before the Middle Ages. Well, their "know-it-all" suppositions are now proven incorrect. Not only were the Jewish traditionalists working on Genesis, but the Jewish mystics, too. I suspect they hid a great deal of wisdom therein.

        But if you think you are only a Homo sapiens body, then such things would be meaningless to you. Oh, well.

        I like your hubs, Randy, but on the subject of religion, you are about as shallow as a dried up swamp. You show some intelligence on other subjects, but you go all one-dimensional on this. Pity.

        At least you and the biblical literalists share one trait -- lazy arrogance on the subjects of God and the Bible. I don't mean that unkindly. But if you applied half the creativity you apply on many of your non-religious hubs, you could actually add something constructive to this discussion. That would be nice.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What if? It may also be? None are impossible to resolve?  So where did the water come from which covered the entire earth?  Where did it go afterwards?  Giant sponges?  lol





          You tell me....you said none of the tales were impossible to resolve.  smile



          Your suspicions would be unfounded as usual, L77S.  I am open to anything which would clearly show evidence for a god or gods.  I've looked for over a half century at all sorts of supposed evidence. Nothing so far.

          Perhaps it is those who claim to know what their god wants which makes it harder to swallow.  Why in heck would he choose these people?  smile




          What a coincidence, I found the same code!  But it was in Catch-22 instead of the bible.





          I am truly devastated by your opinion of me, L77S.  And thanks so much for the pity, I know it is indeed heart felt.  Let's see how a christian really emulates Jesus.  smile

          You described me as, shallow, showing "some" intelligence(you are indeed gracious)one-dimensional, lazy, arrogant, only using half my creativity, not adding anything constructive...did I miss anything?  lol


          Weren't you the guy who claimed god parted the traffic (coulda been the Red Sea but I get you prophets mixed up sometimes}while you escaped from the mass of internal combustion powered chariots?

          Yep, I want to be like you guys!

  9. ladyjojo profile image60
    ladyjojoposted 5 years ago

    I realize it makes no sense trying to explain the bible to atheist (the devils children) you see they are so stupid they do not believe in GOD yet they believe in good and evil. Then who promotes either or must be a good being and must be a bad being. They are fooled into believing the Bible is false by satan's dillusion. Yet they have not and will not realize that the same DEVIL who invoke them with his lies knows more about GOD than you and I.

    Satan was the bright and morning star. God's covering cherub and he was kicked out of heaven for his deciet. HE BELIEVES THE BIBLE, HE WAS WITH GOD AND HE IS LAUGHING AT ALL YOU FOOLS WHO DOESN'T.

    You ATHEIST search and seek out every iota of the bible to contradict and argue etc. But what other book do you all do that in. Have ever argue with a book Einstein or Thomas Edison wrote? to say this is false and that is false? no you gobble it down like fools. BUT YOU QUESTION THE CREATOR, so out of place.


    Have a bless day, and repent before its to late. Because if you dont you will find out their is a GOD and his BIBLE is absoultely true wink

    1. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Gosh, I'm awfully glad you "winked" at the end there, I was beginning to think your righteous insults and pious threats were serious. Whew! lol

    2. lone77star profile image90
      lone77starposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Peace, Ladyjojo. Don't let Satan or ego get the best of you in dealing with the skeptics.

      Our Lord says merely to offer the wisdom and if rejected, walk away. In the forum setting, we can merely thank them for their statement and then ignore them while we discuss important issues with others who are truly interested.

      Don't shout with all CAPS, and certainly call no one "fool," lest you find yourself judged one.

      I know patience is not easy, but try. And judge not. That's not your job.

  10. OutWest profile image61
    OutWestposted 5 years ago

    Still the question remains: Symbolic or litteral?  I say symbolic.

    1. Evolution Guy profile image61
      Evolution Guyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Wow - we agree. God is a symbol - not a literal being. Congrats. Maybe now u can stop lying for Jeebus?

      1. OutWest profile image61
        OutWestposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Did you forget the forum...The Bible.  Sorry but it wasn't titled God...He is still real.

  11. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image91
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago

    /\ hate troll bot with no concept of even biology, much less physics.

  12. Jerami profile image75
    Jeramiposted 5 years ago

    preacherdon wrote:

    You say the Bible isn't true. Perhaps you can explain why it is that it predicted the alliance between Iran, Libya, Egypt, and other Middle East countries centuries before they did.


    =  -- = - = -


    me

    I am curious where this prophesy is written.

    I'd like to check this out 

    Thanks.

    1. preacherdon profile image79
      preacherdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Jerami, check out Ezekiel 38 and 39.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Then stand on your head, turn three times and whistle dixi.
        You may arrive at the same conclusions. smile

  13. potier profile image44
    potierposted 5 years ago

    The message of the Bible put a cramp in their life style(s) and they find ways to dispute its message everytime.I am glad i read this hubpage it is so true.Joseph Potier hhtp://twitter.com/potier

  14. LADYGIRL profile image60
    LADYGIRLposted 5 years ago

    First of all, I'm not a religion person however I do read my bible daily. The bible is an book of instruction on life, it give us the lesson that we need to learn. If you read the bible from start to finish you will clearly read what a lot of people is going through on daily basic.  The same thing they where going through in the biblical times. Your asking the question does God has a voice, Yes he does. You have to believe in God first and know who is your father and your friend and most of all you Saviour. When something happen at random, we tend to say "Oh Lord" or "Oh God."  But when it times to adhere to his words, alot times we don't listen.  That the reason a lot of us can't hear his voice.  Don't have Beliefs, you have to Believe.  He is here!!!

    1. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol  And you say you are not religious.  This is completely contradictory...and, of course, absurd.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yup, you are a religious person, no doubt at all.

    3. Titen-Sxull profile image92
      Titen-Sxullposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "it give us the lesson that we need to learn"

      Just like the wonderful lesson in Deuteronomy 22:20-21 where the Israelites are commanded to stone a woman who can't provide proof of her virginity on her wedding night. What a wonderful life lesson from a loving and wonderful God:

      "20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you."

      NO ONE should be getting their advice, be it moral or otherwise, from a book this logically broken and morally bankrupt. It really does frighten me when people claim to be getting advice from the Bible, a book where slavery is condoned and the slightest offense is punishable by death. A book that tells you to submit yourself to a cosmic dictator of a deity or face the fires of Hell.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The bible is riddled with this psychotic malevolence from the word of the all luvin all omni-like god.
        Always with the killing torture and maiming..... one would reckon the idea that this is not any sort of love would sink in to the thickest of skulls, but indoctrination takes care of ensuring no reality gets to seep in.

      2. preacherdon profile image79
        preacherdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        These are laws that promote holiness. They may seem harsh but then again you may feel the death penalty is harsh under any circumstance. One thing you do illustrate: God's standards far exceed yours. You seem to think that He is harsh but He is loving. He's so loving that He sent His Son to die to atone for your sins. If you would acknowledge Him as God's Son, put your faith in Him and accept Him you can have life eternal. If not, then you will know just how harsh He can be.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Divinity isn't real. It's fantasy sold to the gullible. wink

        2. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          More petty demands and threats from a god who is allegedly loving. Threatening me with "how harsh He can be" is not a very good marketing strategy. LOL!

  15. profile image60
    robertm12posted 5 years ago

    I just think it is neat that god talks to some of you. Now i know why things are so messed up on earth. God can't fix things because he is too busy having converstions with ya'll.

  16. BL Tween profile image61
    BL Tweenposted 5 years ago

    You may not believe in God, BUT ...  GOD BELIEVES IN YOU!

    1. profile image60
      robertm12posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Why would you assume i don't believe? Did he tell you he believed in me? I wish he would have told me first. It is like he is talking about me behind my back.

      1. preacherdon profile image79
        preacherdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        He's not talking about you behind your back. He believes in you because He created you.

        1. profile image60
          robertm12posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Why did he create me with cerebral palsey? I've been wheelchair bound my entire life. It doesn't seem fair to me. I have been an outcast and missed out on so many things. Why was i given this fate? Jesus teaches ask and you shall receive but my prayers have not been answered.

          1. preacherdon profile image79
            preacherdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It may not be God's will for you to be healed. I can't say I understand your situation. I'm short, wear glasses and African-American which puts me at a disadvantage socially.I was also diagnosed with Sickle Cell Anemia. However, the thing Christians rely on is that this world is not our home, this is not the end. This is just a proving ground. Here we are tested to see if we will obey and serve God or not. If we will, we will have eternity with Him to inherit where we will not have the disadvantages and disabilities we now have. "ALL things will become new." If we choose not to obey, then we will spend eternity apart from Him.

            First, do you believe in God? Hebrews says that without faith it is impossible to please Him. If you don't believe in Him then your prayers won't be answered. If you do believe in Him, then have you accepted Christ as Savior? If not, then that may be why you haven't heard from Him. However, I believe if you ask Him and you earnestly expect an answer, He will give it to you. If you seek Him, He will let you find Him.

            BTW, cerebral palsy and other such diseases are results of our fallen state. From the time we are born we are on our way to death. Once we reach maturity, our bodies start to reverse the aging process. I know you've missed out on so much but so have some others. Helen Keller was born both blind and deaf and yet she came to know the Lord. Fannie Crosby was blinded as a child but she said she was happy because the first thing she would see would be the face of her Savior. I guess it all depends upon your outlook.

  17. Jo_Goldsmith11 profile image61
    Jo_Goldsmith11posted 5 years ago

    Randy, that is a very intelligent question to ask. It makes sense! Think about this, if you would. JC received beatings and nails being driven into his hands and feet. They mocked him, spat on him and made fun of him! sad   Now a days, this still happens. We mock each each other, hurt each other by stabbing each other in the backs. We bear false witness. All these things JC had to go through and then to hang on a cross, bleeding to death. To have your own dad turn his back away from you.

    How many children feel that their mom's and dad's don't love them? Then JC, had to see a flash of everything millions of us sinners have done over our whole lifetimes! Stuff he knows we are going to do, before we actually do it. To witness all the hate and anger and bitterness. Can you imagine?

    So, my dear friend Randy, he did scarifice quite a bit. He gave up the remainder of his years on this earth. He basically was murdered for the sake of you, me and everyone else.

    I think I owe my physical and emotional life to him. He has comforted me when I was at the end. He has brought joy in my life, with allowing me to take very good care of 7 cats and 2 pups that were sick. He has allowed me to find the  words to express to you, that JC is pretty cool. I know I have never felt as much love as I have with JC. The bad days still come, and yes, I still find the roadblocks. I know as long as I am doing what he wants, in the direction he wants it. I will get my miracle. I never thought I would ever be a successful Published Author. Who me? No way!

    The Family Court system chewed me up and spit me out. They said I was a hopless nut case!
    Look at me now!  I am sure you if had just a grain of mustard seed of faith, you would see a miracle in your life too! smile  Take care.

  18. KiandraRutledge profile image78
    KiandraRutledgeposted 5 years ago

    To be honest with you, Jesus did not waste his time defending himself or his beliefs to those who did not want to listen.  He said what he had to say and if they accepted it, that was good and if not, oh well, they had a choice not to.  God gives people that choice everyday.  Christians need to accept that.  How people feel about the Bible, they're going to feel that way.  What Christians should be concern with is their own relationship with God and making sure that they live the message in the bible and their conduct should be a witness to the power of the message of God. My problem with some Christians is that they want to preach it, but they don't want to live it and then wonder why people have bad taste in their mouth about Christianity...how about showing them the power of God?  And even when you do, they still may not follow.  This has already been prophesied.

    1. Evolution Guy profile image61
      Evolution Guyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      How can you show us the power of god exactly?

      1. KiandraRutledge profile image78
        KiandraRutledgeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        People do that by living their lives in harmony with the message of the bible.  I personally have seen the power of God in many people lives as I've watched their lives transform in amazing ways from the relationship they've had with him.  Of course, not everyone is going to agree with this and again, I don't go back and forth with people who don't believe in the bible.  They are free not to believe, but I am also free to believe in what I have seen.

  19. MrCharisma83 profile image61
    MrCharisma83posted 5 years ago

    Heh, it's funny I found a new thread to post in. This one seems to be
    sort of a carry-over from the "Why does the Bible Offend" thread. I
    won't belabor any point I made (to the ones whom received it) and
    didn't make (to the ones who refused it). But, however, I will say
    this to the author of this thread, there will always be people that
    refuse to believe in the authenticity of the Bible. For various
    reasons it does in fact offend people. The Bible is straight-forward,
    it's black and white and, for better or worse, it has stood under the
    most searing light of scrutiny for centuries, hence why it is such a
    controversial book. And why so many people still follow its teachings
    and doctrines.

    There will be people that are "lifers" when it comes to
    cross-examining or arguing on "religious" board feeds. I am of the
    belief that those talents would be better served whille dressed in an
    Italian suit, in a court-room somewhere, rather than on message
    boards. It's one thing to be steadfast in your beliefs, the most
    applauded and admired people in the world had conviction, even if said
    conviction was misplaced. But, I think it's a totally different story
    when a person or person(s) actively SEEK these message boards when
    they claim to want nothing to do with even the IDEA of God - in the first place - just to cause a stir.

    And then there are those who make sweeping accusations about theists,
    such as they are "self-righteous" or, my personal favorite,
    "hypocritical". As if, some how, some way, being a Christian, or a
    believer in God, somehow makes you into a blemish-free person. We are
    ALL a work in progress. There is not one person that has ever walked
    the earth or has been buried underneath it, whom can afford to be that
    arrogant or foolish, and can pretend to "have it at all together".

    As far as people on this board goes, I'd wager that most, if not
    everyone, has some degree of intelligence. Many arguments, on the
    surface, appear to be plausible. I am talking about the Atheists just
    as much as I'm talking about the Believers. Many Atheists want to
    rationale and explain the universe and its being through logic and
    empirical evidence. But, not everything can be explained through
    science, and logic. That's where FAITH comes in. We all have faith in
    something, we just don't always term it that, whether you want to
    admit that or not. You flex its muscles when you enter a restaurant and
    order a meal, assured that the waiter/waitress will come back with whatever you ordered. You didn't see the meal being prepared in the back by the cooking line, yet you are totally convinced that, within fifteen minutes or less, you will receive what you requested...

    That's faith.

    The bottom line is this, there are staunch supporters and opposers of
    the Bible - on both sides - and it does little good to "persuade"
    anyone here of anything. And that's because neither the Christians or
    the Atheists on this board are very open-minded. Neither are open or
    willing to have their views changed. Therein lies the issue, someone
    is right and someone else, by process of elimination, HAS to be wrong.
    I'm willing to bank on the fact that there IS a GOD. His name IS
    Jesus.

    To the Atheists, looking at things objectively, you want to know if
    there is a God or not, not "all roads lead to one" but, in all
    seriousness, the TRUE God? Die. That's it. Before there is a protest,
    hear me out, I am not saying "kill yourself". I am saying that when
    your heart stops beating, you will leave this world and enter another.
    And then, all your questions will be answered. Hate to say it, but at
    that point it will be too late. Since the "era" of grace would have
    expired. And you will spend eternity in a very unforgiving place.
    Given the fact that you are not omniscient (nobody is) and that you
    have never tasted death and risen from the dead, it's silly tripe to
    assume that you will vanish into "nothing-ness" once your earthly life
    ends.

    To the Christians, if it is in fact proven that we will just "cease to
    exist" after this life is over, what, then, have we lost? While we
    were and are subjected to the same trials and challenges as everyone
    else and sometimes we "missed the mark", all we've done is lived a
    moral life by our conviction. And, in that, there is neither loss or
    shame.

    1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Not being open-minded is something we are all guilty of at one time or another. And we each have our own reasons why we choose not to be open-minded about one topic(argument) or another.

      1. MrCharisma83 profile image61
        MrCharisma83posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Um, DoubleScorpion, I am not calling anyone out for being "closed-minded" if you read what I wrote, I said BOTH sides where, which includes me (since I am a Christian). If anything, I am saying its useless to go on, and on. One side is/will be proven right and one side, wrong. That was all listed in what I said before.

    2. KiandraRutledge profile image78
      KiandraRutledgeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Beautiful comment MrCharisma83.  That's kind of my point.  Those that truly seek God will be lead to him.  But sitting here and debating or fighting with people who do not believe in God is pointless.  And for those that don't believe in God, sitting here and debating and fighting with those who do is pointless also.

  20. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    Time for the top ten....again... smile

    Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian




    10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

    9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

    8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

    7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

    6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

    5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

    4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


    3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

    2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

    1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

    1. Jo_Goldsmith11 profile image61
      Jo_Goldsmith11posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hello earnestshub! You are pretty darn amasing! You have inspired me to do two things. One, is I would like for your permission to research your questions, and see if I can answer them. I will write  ahub about it. I will need your permission and you will get credit for the idea (s). Does this sound fair to you? And..the second part is this. A Spotlight Creation Inspiration challenge.  I think it would be interesting to see how many answers and versions we get? Then, you and I...I will send more in a direct e-mail! You are awesome! smile

  21. The Suburban Poet profile image79
    The Suburban Poetposted 5 years ago

    Why is it that atheists (who can't prove God does not exist) seem to be as rabid about their belief/non-belief as fundamental Christians (who can't prove God does exist) are about their beliefs? It's really amazing actually for those of us in the middle who are not sure enough to be so sure as ya'll are...

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe you should look at the top ten list again? smile

  22. The Suburban Poet profile image79
    The Suburban Poetposted 5 years ago

    No need. It's the fact of the list itself that caught my eye...

    1. livelonger profile image88
      livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Zealots (evangelicals of both the Christian and atheist variety) speak the same language.

      It's a different language spoken by moderates of all flavors.

  23. The Suburban Poet profile image79
    The Suburban Poetposted 5 years ago

    I would NEVER state that I know the word of God. I have some idea of good human behavior but the idea of a specific God with certain attributes captured long ago by men who did not know the world was round as being THE GOD is not something that I would defend to the end. At the same time the idea that frequent posters here know for a fact the essence of existence and the fact of the non-existence of a creator are also a bit much for me. I go with the Tao: "The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao." Meaning nobody really knows. So to me certainty is it's own enemy....

    1. BL Tween profile image61
      BL Tweenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Christopher Columbus believed the world was round. He had a reason to believe it too. He had read in the Bible where God said, He sat on the sphere, (circle) of the earth. You can read about it yourself in the book of Isaiah chapter 40 verse 21

      1. profile image0
        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The Bible may, or may not, imply that the earth is round; but Aristote first popularized the belief that the earth was round in the 3rd century BC after observing an eclipse. Just because the church insisted that the earth was flat doesn't mean everyone bought into that belief. Very few educated people of Columbus' time believed it.

        You might have read a little too much Washington Irving.

  24. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    You have my permission to do whatever you like. smile

    I'd also be happy to convert to christianity or any other religion (even though I am a born again christian unless that can be revoked.) If you can offer any proof at all for any god.

    I don't belief that JC was more than a compilation myself.

    Apollonius of Tyana was a much better candidate for the title of the son of god. smile

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    Holmes221bposted 5 years ago

    So you are the other person who God personally speaks to.  I'm so glad to finally know who you are, because I do sometimes get fed up when God is always at my house telling me about his day.  At least when he is with you, I have some free time to myself.

 
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