I had to do this Casgil, I have no understanding where you are coming from. What do you self proclaim yourself as or to what degree do you connection with god, or agnostic or atheist. I would trust your opinion about yourself or how you define yourself because the best opinion in the world is the opinion of oneself. Please, just give one, that I or we can understand?
Cagsil are you an atheist?
Atheist is define as a lack of belief in God, maybe you are an atheist because you reject the notion of any kind of God”, as I have ask you and you answered other consistently. Richard Dawkins claim he is deeply religious, now that, i don’t understand what the hell he means. There is another contradiction in the logic of atheism, because agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in a god or religious doctrine yet try include them into their camp anyways.
Cagsil Are you agnostic?
A few agnostic think there is a slim chance of an afterlife and some can be spiritual sided. Agnostics assert that it’s impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and if divine beings exist, “unknown or unknowable. Agnostic are more likely to explore Spirituality than Atheist. An Agnostic is the one who is open to the possibility of God existing, but has not yet been convinced of it.
People out there on the hub pages, what do you guess what Cagsil is???
I am lost with my guess.
Who cares anyway? I read some of his hubs, take a look at some of his comments and...I was never interested in his religious feelings. It's a strange question you're asking.
...yor bored CP....me too....but off to bed for now....ha ha ha....you need to build a sand castle i think...who cares....later gater...
i'm 99% sure he's a human. anything else is really none of your business.
Are you sure he's 99% human? He looks like a cat to me
Sorry Cagsil....I had to get in on the fun!
Why is it necessary to know your religious beliefs, why couldn't he ask what are your favorite foods since he wanted to "get to know you better"?
BTW, do you like tuna?
Hey Cardisa, he can any question he wants. He has the ability to speak and has the right to ask. It's up to me, whether or not, I answer his question. If you want read the rest of the thread(it's so far pretty short).
He could, but apparently that isn't one of things he wanted to know. Oh well, not that it matters.
Yes, I like tuna, I go out and kill some almost every other day, just so I can eat something yummy. (j/k)
I'm none of the above.
There's absolutely no need for a god to exist, regardless of what definition one lays claim for the god they believe exists.
I've stated what I've learned about Jesus' teaching with regards to the metaphor of "God" and that would be all about self-awareness and self-mastery.
In essence, be all knowing, all powerful and all wise about one's own life.
I've no belief with regards to a god and don't feel that there's a need to even use the word for any reason. It's unfortunate that there are plenty of people who believe a god exists, which requires me to use the word when I am dealing with other people.
I find it interesting that you've decided to pull this stunt? I understand that you claim "all humans are god", and in the aspect of Jesus' teachings, then you would be right.
But, I see no reason to even go that far, because it's not necessary.
Why does it matter what anyone else thinks? While I'm sure Cags can speak for himself, I don't see why you would ask a community what 'do you guess Cagsil is???' Why does someone have to fit into a box, or wear a label?
Ah, but we all wear labels and masks. We even change them periodically according to what we are doing and who we are around.
Others will see these labels and masks and put us into a box, even if it's the one they've labeled "unknown" and has Cags in it. We hope it will be the box that we designed our mask for but sometimes it isn't.
I'll take exception to your statement that we all wear masks. I am no different in person than I am here. If people cannot accept me for who I am, then they can just go away. My heart will not be broken and my esteem will not be tarnished.
Ah, but do you not dress differently for a football game than when you go to church? Might you wear a team jersey to show your allegiance? Will you not speak differently to your boss than you do to the bartender or the drunk? If invited to speak at a prestigious gathering will you use the same language and dress the same as you do when working in your yard?
Some color their hair, some wear codpieces. We all change our appearance and behavior to fit into the box we want to be put in.
I don't attend either.
I am my own boss. And, no I don't change when talking to a bartender(regardless of how pretty she is) vs a drunk.
Don't know, don't do either of them.
Interesting. I'll remember that.
I guess he is curious what other people think I am or are willing to label me.
It more along the lines of poke and fun, I guess.
Because, people love labels....just like on clothing and perfume, and beer....everyone has to be branded.
I’m a very curious about the most mysterious person on the hub, to me.
cagsil, anwers my first post with- I'm none of the above.
How did I know that answer
cagsil, There's absolutely no need for a god to exist
God is absolute for nearly 80% of the people and 5-10% think maybe it’s a good idea, I know you don’t like % yet it helps me
cagsil, regards to the metaphor of "God" and that would be all about self-awareness and self-mystery.
I thought there was no need for God,( mystery)
cagsil, I've no belief with regards to a god and don't feel that there's a need to even use the word for any reason.
Why bother with a little word like God, yet talk about God so much online, (mystery)
cagsil, I find it interesting that you've decided to pull this stunt?
Just having fun, like you sometimes
cagsil, I understand that you claim "all humans are god", and in the aspect of Jesus' teachings, then you would be right.
I am what I am, like you, Jesus was a man and great teacher
cagsil My heart will not be broken and my esteem will not be tarnished.
Good for you,
why does someone have to fit into a box, or wear a label?
I think Everyone is God, belong to no group, as a comic gypsy artist who can’t imagine sticking labels on anyone or fitting people into boxes. Try it on me, love and kindness: now that will stick.
Where did that come from, anything wrong about being curious about our mysterious cagsil. I would honored if the community ask about me,
wilderness wear labels and masks
It’s me you are talking to
How am I the most mysterious person on HP? My writing is as plain as day and what I say in the forums is no different than what is written in my hubs. Therefore, to follow an old saying- "truth is easier to remember". So, I must be speaking truth.
Maybe because it's been said before.
Well, maybe you should think why?
There's not. But, for those who want a better understanding of Jesus' teachings, then it's been said for comparison.
It's not a mystery. I have to use the word because of interaction with other people.
I figured as much.
For his time and beyond, in the matter of understanding one's life, yes.
That was said with regards to people accepting me. Don't take it out of context.
This God thing is not easy is thing to understand. I said before your a good person even though we clashed. I just like a closer understanding and we did some of that today.
essence, be all knowing, all powerful and all wise about one's own life. Seem to be somewhat same thing as everyone is god from a different angle, except you lack the belief in god.
If the 80% of God believers from each group think their group is only way and right way to God. I don’t know which one of us is more of the odd man out, from belonging to any group.
For some you out there, I no interest conforming anyone or causing any great distress or great discomfort and careless about masked phony people.
I feel Cagsil or I , don’t want to give or pass on suffering, we just bang heads on some topics, mainly about God, and murder topics.
Okay then, let's get a little closer- where did you get the word "god" from?
The word "god" is tied to religion and theology. Theology being the older of the two. So pick one? In religion- Jesus' teachings "god" is a metaphor.
In theology- it's the highest power in existence(in theory only). We'll start there and go forward.
I don't require a belief in a god to truly understand Jesus' teachings of Love, Mercy and Compassion. I don't need to accept Jesus as a savior to understand his message. Each person should be always thinking before they act, because doing so opens them to the consequences of their actions and the reaction which will happen. It's called using fore-thought or hind-sight. If more people thoroughly thought out a complete thought before they took action? Then they would be less likely to damage someone else's life. To use the term "god" isn't necessary.
Their individual irrationality with regards to their own thoughts about me is meaningless. If they have thoughts about me and see that I'm not conforming to the rules that their god supposedly(they believe) put on their life and continue to apply them to my life, goes to show you how little they know about their own life.
You wanted other people's opinions or thoughts about me. I don't mind and I'm the only person with which it should matter. What other people say about what you've done, shows you how little they understand. Plain and simple.
We don't bang heads. We attempt to discuss specific topics and my reason I engage you, is to reason with you. Dispel the irrationality of your thought process. Nothing more.
@Castelploma, I am curious.
Are you just curious about Cagsil, or are you intrigued and fascinated with him?
Oh.....I am curious about the man is is so curious about the most mysterious person on HP according to you.
Yes, I'm fascinated with his intellect yet not impress with his kindness toward spiritual sided people.
Kindness toward spiritual sided people?
As I've stated in other threads and I'll gladly repeat myself- spirituality is based on mysticism.
Mysticism was debunked decades ago, as being intellectual dishonesty of the individual person. Why? Because it doesn't deal with rational thinking or reality.
Castlepaloma, I find your response to my question quite fascinating.
You are not impressed with his kindness towards spiritual sided people?
What on earth is that supposed to mean. What if he is "kind toward spiritual sided people"? What is there to not be impressed about? I am baffled!
It seems to me that your purpose for this post is to pick a fight with my "Blue eyed Tiger". Luckily he seems to be in a good mood today! You don't get your wish!
I've said countless time before, spirituality is the 99% unknown world and Universe until it's manifest into our ego self from the source of good intention.Nothing dishonest about that
I would agree much of religion has run a muck from their anicent spirituality full of regretts
You think this a fight ,wait untill you get mugged by 40 monkeys, now that a fight. A 500 pound tiger licked my arm, that was sweet yet sometime they can be such a Brutal Heart that appears dark and moody
I bet you think NONE of them were written to just make money and perpetuate the hoax known as spirituality
Of course some are, then most people will say to you today they spiritual rather than religious, yet each main stream religious group claims they are all spiritual and other groups are fake.
You think spirituality is based on mysticism.Mysticism was debunked decades ago, as being intellectual dishonesty of the individual person. Why? Because it doesn't deal with rational thinking or reality.
This could mean you think about 90% of the spiritual sided or assume all spiritual people of this world are intellectual dishonest, they don’t deal rational thinking or reality.
Let me dial up planet 9 for you this time , ring ring…You are stupid humans almost all of you are very very stupid human
You want to place words into my mouth? Good show. It is what it is. You don't like or accept it, then good show yet again.
Tiger are very good at hiding and I'm very good at finding
I'm not sure what you could find, but then again, I don't care. If you could find your way to a light switch to turn your brain on, so you wouldn't be in darkness(blindness), then that would be good.
However, I'm not holding out hope, just for that specific task to come anytime real soon.
Oh Cardisa, I just love your comments wherever you go.
Flora, I don't know what comes over me when I am in the forums, I just have to give a little trouble....lol
"People out there on the hub pages, what do you guess what Cagsil is???
from a non-religious, or rather religious, perspective, I would have to say
that Cagsil is a person who is more than capable of voicing his opinions on his own beliefs with passion, honesty and heartfelt belief. He is an individual who has taken his experiences in life and his understandings of others' lives and has formulated his own independent idealogy. He's a firm believer of what he speaks, because he is not afraid to speak it, live by it and stand by it. He controls his own thoughts, his own mind, his own ideals through freedom of self choice.
It appears that this scares others into trying to label him, to force him to conform with their beliefs while causing others great distress and discomfort.
Cags is a wonderful person and no matter what his opinions and beliefs are, he will remain a person who is honest, truthful and a friend.
And Cags H&Ks
Well, I have a question for you, too, Cags
(not to detract or distract from yours, Castlepaloma).
Where did you get those brilliant blue contact lenses?
I have my own question for you-are you a bigot? Do you consider it your business to know about anyone's private life? I'm curious about a lot of hubbers too , that is why I read their profile pages. But why not ask Cagsil then about marital status, children, sexual orientation, etc. Not your business!
I'm amazed someone said this.
Oh Flora, but it's all too common nowadays for people to get into someone's private life. There are no respectful boundaries anymore, because too many people consider it their obligation, as a part of society(whichever country they live in). Utterly ridiculous, but happens.
I've nothing to hide actually. Single, no children, heterosexual...anything else?
Well, the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects his right to ask. It's my choice whether or not, I respond. Just to let you know.
Never been a bigot? That won't flow with my feelings about loving everybody and god is everyone.
If you want to be a bigot about god , you better find out, where the hell he is.
I like Cagsil reply
For your information I have already received last rights when I was 2 hours old I had pnemonia. You have no idea what my beliefs are. As someone who has been constantly called crip and a bunch of other disgusting things about my disability, I will not put up with bigots of any kind in my home. I broke up with someone when I found out he was homophobic.
You broke up with a homophobic person
Sorry to hear about your loss and any illnesses; I don’t belong to any group in order for you to blame it on.
What is today? Is it dump nonsense junk on Castlepaloma DAY
Nope. Don't blame anyone but mom's doctors for not giving her a c-section before I started swallowing toxic liquid. Just pointing out that I am not a bigot and don't care to be around them. As for the other thread where you say you will leave this site, why? Because someone you have never met before and likely didn't know existed until three days ago thinks a person's private life is none of your business? Non sequitor.
and for anyone who is agnostic-undecided means just that. not everyone is sure that God exists or does not exist. The whole point of agnosticism is that God's existence or non-existence cannot be proven.
Is Gagsil agnostic? that would be a pinch of news.
No, I have been here for 10 months, it time for better things to do.
no. *I* am agnostic. in reference to me being referred to you as a bigot towards God in your first response. It was shortly after that that you posted the thread that you are leaving HP.
OMG! Is this still going on?!?
Get a life!!!
Hey Cags, XOXO
@ flora -- hats off to you!!! don't waste your time.
I think this is just another "look at me" rouse to get attention..... and followers..... (no pun intended there, really..... )
Hey Cags, XOXO
I'm glad I'm tickling you the right way
xox night Cags! I'll check in on you again tomorrow....
I'm quite curious to see whether the topic of you will continue on as strong as it is...
hey, you can sell tickets to this e-event!!!
Good night Beth. It was nice to see you. (((Hugs)))
I wouldn't want to sell tickets to this event. Nothing to see really. But, as for it continuing on tomorrow...who knows.
I'm quite curious to see whether the topic of you will continue on as strong as it is...hey, you can sell tickets to this e-event!!!
Ticket sells for this petty word event. I can get grandeur sales of other kinds in positive event, worldwide. Plus set up the events in 3D using a few more of the senses than here.
this carries on like one of those wasteful reality tv shows...... and those sell to huge crowds. It appears that the world is intoxicated with nonsense and with other people's lives. Why? Probably because the viewers have no life of their own. Alas, they must live vicariously through others. Sad, isn't it?
I won't waste my life away fighting with people who don't care about new or fresh ideas to create solution with. I’m only curious about Cagsil and his frustrating ambiguous thoughts on god that lead many of you( in this case)to be one sided and attack me on this thread, yet no real threat to me nor the unknowns. There are so many other individual and groups to share with and their knowns of the curiously unknowns to be enjoyed.
There is most likely a good reason why 80% or more seek out God for solutions. Without any thought of god you limits your thinking, there is much history and experience to be discover and evolution is just as important or course.
Beth, It's obvious you have no clue what you are talking when you pass all this kind of nonsense judgmental comments about me. Little do you know, 80% of the projects that come across my plate I refuse because they are not educational enough? Most of my work is designed to pry children, zombie and robots from watching 30 hours of TV a week, that being the worst drug out there.
I know Cagsil does not get out nearly as much as I do. As a word artist, I give Cagsil the highest marks and I’m low, yet I like to see Cagsil try to come close to my whole life body of hard work and road record. If Cagsil wants to get rid of the word god or claim god is totally unnecessary, that won’t happen in many life times, Cagsil, can you say: lacking belief in God. The world will change its self anyways so these kind of thoughts are wasted thoughts.
It only demonstrates a lame imagination of beautiful unknown’s spirits and of our ancient spiritually even if God is only a word..
The word "god" can have an infinite number of definitions. Therefore, it's a complete waste of time.
The body of work you physically do is nothing compared to wisdom gained in understanding one's own life.
Btw- I thought you were leaving? If so, then go. If not, then what was the purpose of your other thread? To draw attention to yourself? Does your ego need that self-stroking?
Get real would you.
No new ways of thinking for one self, that's limited.
There are so many new horizon and you’re stuck too much on the 1/5 physical part of life, then there so much of all the spiritual unknowns that would be a waste of your time. What I care is miss out on the Spiritual awakening to higher ascension vibration frequency and dimensions, it’s your life.
Then why do you talk about so much God and not aware you are also talking about spiritual sided things too. Kind of like Hawking asking Dawkins why you so obsessed with God.
Everybody like some attention, if I wanted more here, I would stay, that logical. I want to say goodbye to a few others, pushy for a guy who could not say his final goodbyes.
WOW! You've a lot to learn. New ways of thinking are not limited, due to the fact that knowledge(including experiences) are always adding to oneself.
Sorry to say, spiritual is for the gullible.
Get real. Try living in reality dude.
I'm dealing with the irrational thought process people use.
They were not obsessed with "God", they were obsessed with understanding LIFE. Too bad you don't know the difference.
Apparently, you're really craving attention, which is obvious that you are not getting elsewhere.
Not pushy. And, it wasn't that I couldn't say my final goodbyes, but I can understand how your skewed perception would think that. It's obvious that you fail in comprehension of reading the words made by me(which is completely odd considering I use plenty of small words so no confusion would exist). I found a way to stay here and still work on other things. Got it?
Spiritual is for the gullible
There tree times as many spiritual books than there are science books.
Do you live on planet 9 saying to humans
You are stupid, you human are very very stupid
I clearly give you much credit for being much finer word writer than me , Yet with words in the real world I cant get just about anything I want . What credit do you give me for doing anything well, ZERO.
Every human dose one thing better than the other and vice versa. What kind of picky kindness to you give the world?
No sh!t, really? And, I bet you think NONE of them were written to just make money and perpetuate the hoax known as spirituality?
Actually, I live in reality.
What credit am I supposed to give you? I don't know you. Get real.
What kind of picky kindness? I always thought kindness is kindness. There's nothing picky about it.
Oh please!!! Give me a break.
Personal attacks??? By me??? Really? That's a first for me!
Wasting your time? Absolutely not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You can discuss, sway and entice. But, the final decision is still that of the individual.
You have your opinion. Cags has his. I have my own.
The only thing that is really falling out of this is that you are receiving a lot of attention, as is Cags.
Leads me to wonder.....
are you a SP? (and those of us who have been around long enough, will and do, know what this acronym is....)
You said this is waste your time for Cagsil
Cagsil keeps poping up for the last 10 month in my threads and me in his, He should of figured out I was his waste a long time way back then, I just taken time and action towards many other better things to do.
The odd one is attacking me maybe personally; they could only penetrate me with kindness
Attacking you? Trying to reason with you is attacking you. WOW!
very small words are not really attacks , not like phyical harm
Maybe they think I’m attacking you by not being overwhelmed by your over powering self proclaim reasoning, maybe I got something that work better, I got a imagination
Few people have the imagination for reality and logic and reason can die off quickly. Your knowledge has limits but your imagination does not. Reason respects differences, and imagination has a perceptible likeness of things. It’s an act not of reason but an intuition, Imagination is the eye of the soul and the voice of the daring. If there is anything Godlike about God it is that. When he dares to go beyond his wildest dreams, he can imagine everything.
Actually, in order to dare to go where you never dreamed of before, is an act of reason -- you must be able to realize that you haven't been there before.
Imagination and creativity are the abilities of the human brain to let go and visualize with a different perspective, and at times, on a different plane.
Neither imagination or creativity are related to religion.
Religion is logic. If you believe, then x will happen. If you don't believe, then y will happen.
Besides, isn't this thread about Cags and what we think he is??? This isn't about religion or your opinion of him. You already stated your opinion in your OP. So why change the subject???
Science is lame Religion is blind,
I say science has a lame imagination, because atheist gets so mad when I say that. Much like Religious people wanting to send me to hell for negative quotes from the bible
Let's see....from a non-religious, or rather religious, perspective, I would have to say
Did you write that? Cagsil did not disagree; can anyone of you explain it to me?
You're right. I didn't disagree with what Beth said. I also didn't agree either.
I did not say that science is lame and religion is blind! Those are your words CP.
Where did I say that?
Everyone has an imagination. Very few actually understand what it's for to begin with.
Untrue. Plenty of people live long lives, understanding imagination, reality, logic and reason.
Knowledge as no limits, because older knowledge is always replaced with newer knowledge. Imagination doesn't have limits, which is true. It's like wisdom, which is limitless.
Untrue. Imagination comes from the sub-conscious and if the right side of the brain attempts to bring imagination to the left side of the brain(the reasoning, rational, sane section), it must jive with the accumulative knowledge, otherwise it only creates confusion.
Untrue. Imagination comes from the sub-conscious part of human consciousness. No soul actually exists.
I was really meaning to say is that I have a well developed imagination much like your writing skills.
The sub-conscious is more powerful than you’re conscious; nowhere did I say the subconscious take up the entire part of imagination. There is very little we know about the white matter of the brain, kind of like our knowledge about the world and Universe
You didn't have to say it Castlepaloma, it's fact that all imagination comes from the right side of the two chamber brain humans have in their head. It's not in dispute, unless you want to dispute what is already proven as fact.
Really? And, where did you learn that? I'm sure Earnestshubs would beg to differ with you about what's known about the brain. He speaks quite often about it and has a much more advanced knowledge with regards to it than me.
Just in case you didn't know...the brain is broken into two parts, but labeled in many sub-sections. Everything on the left is all about reasoning, rational thinking and the right side is all about everything else, such as creativity and imagination. The sub-conscious exists in the right side of the brain. Your individual awareness exists on the left side of the brain, which makes you aware of the world around you and grants you the ability to reason, based on knowledge(including experiences) to gain wisdom(truth).
Wow, so black and white,
I've sculpted many brains before and know what they look like.
Maybe we in the age of Unreason, places like intuition, imagination and the emotional response. You could say unreason brings much of the source of art, music, love, the imagination, and our connection to the soul
It’s seemed still positive. You could say Love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence
You could have Science Fiction Religion and Cults of Unreason, it seem you enjoy enough talking about them here online
You could say my entire life is unreasonable and give me not one dam credit for it, what do I care, Your reality is so one-sided toward my spiritual unreasonable side, that I have no reason to ask.
Okay, and your point? I know people who can draw what a brain looks like, just from seeing a picture. So what?
Dude, the age of "Unreason" was thousands of years ago, when reality wasn't even known to the individual.
Unreason? It's called the sub-conscious, which delivers abilities, such as music and imagination.
I'm not saying your life is unreasonable. And, haven't said. I did say that your thought process was irrational. It makes no sense and doesn't jive with the accumulative knowledge known to humankind.
When you start making sense based on reality, then I'll give you credit for taking that step.
What my point? Some contradiction in THINKING here, Unreason?
Cagsil; Unreason? It's called the sub-conscious, which delivers abilities, such as music and imagination.
I guess my visual art dose not add up to a hill of beans. So would you give me some credit for having a great imagination because my whole being has at least one thing that I do better than you? Such as my unreasonable lifestyle, even though I think everything has a reason in time.
If you judge me of making no sense and you won’t give me any credit for taking even one baby step towards any service to mankind., Even though from all the dozens of science community building projects and all millions of fans worldwide, I’m assuming according to Cagsil my whole life work has all been one huge scam based on Cagsil sense based on reality,
That is about the most indecent and judgmental thinking I have ever received in my entire life, Are you proud of these nonsensical put downs? It may work on weak minded people that you have cow tied, baffled and have them walk away in from their low spiritual energy, but not with me,
Again, your point being? I don't know what you accomplished. I only have you telling me what you supposedly have done. Yet, you want me to give you credit for something. Again, you make no sense.
I didn't say anything about your lifestyle, so quit putting words into my mouth. I'm questioning your method of thinking.
Again, you've made up things said. I judge actions. And, your actions so far in this thread can be seen and judged for what they are....not making sense, based on irrational thinking.
I'm not putting you down. Again, you're attempting to put words into my mouth, which were not said. I'm attempting to reason with you, using rational thinking, not irrational. It's not indecent or judgmental thinking. It's called rational thinking. But, nice attempt at defaming my character in a public forum.
Really? Weak minded people? And, exactly who would that be? Are you talking about my readers? Would that be people who have no accomplished what you have done? Would that be all other people who are not you? Talk about EGO? Get over yourself and move on.
This is the funniest forum thread I think I've ever seen!
Cags, I agree that there is really no mystery to you. You speak pretty clearly for who you are and what you think about pretty much anything.
Cagsil is Greek Orthodox... like the rest of civilized society
Why didn't you just send Cagsil a private message? He would have answered without pasting it all over the forums.
Because, he apparently wanted the community input as well, thinking it would bother me. Also, just to let you know, apparently this thread did more damage to him than he thought it would. He opened another thread, saying that he is leaving HP now and left a long winded reason why.
One forum in the whole worldwide sea of forums, you think this would damage me, get real. There are plenty of people here that do like me too, I'm just not as fine a writer as you.
It only shows me, how some onesided ego's freight trains can't make a right hand turn towards a new ways of thinking, that all..
Cagsil is an individual.
As is each of us. No label can define an individual.
Labels are used to divide. At this point in history the last thing we need is more division.
What labels have I given Cagsil besides question about his way of thinking? Labels never stick on me unless it about love and kindness.
If he is against people who want God in their lives which is about 85%- 90% in his own country, is he not trying to divide? I accept what is, if anyone from any side can't handle questions, too bad for them.
This is not the first time, I have stood alone,
1.My whole family at age 22, did not want me to be an artist, they were afraid I would starve to death, loving what I do for most waking hours has been the best way to master life.
2.Bush refused my USA work permit because I refuse to do harmful, non solving art work for them. My Integrity is healthy and intact and won’t sell off to the highest bidder. Much pressure came from the whole family again, yet we are a mix up of atheists and hard core religious bunch and oddly enough I’m in the middle and we all love each other very much.
I don’t know much about Cagsil business, after learning and dealing with so many millionaires and billionaires and many famous people for lunch and having millions of fans. Cagsil interest to have people turn away from God will be laughable with the Vass majority at best and will do little for changing my life because often to a veteran artist , its the whole world who is his family.
Wow Cags! You must be really special to get a thread like this started about you
"The only thing worse then people talking about you, is people NOT talking about you" - Some random quote from a celeb I heard
I am almost jealous!
I guess I am just not naughty enough
We could change that?
Unfortunately, there's two things standing in the way- (a) your husband and (b) a very, very, very, very, very large body of water.
You stand to be corrected CP. My referral to a waste of time was not pointed at Cags, but at Flora. You should read a little more closely so as to not get it wrong.
Cags -- he's here, he's there, he's EVERYWHERE!!! Don't worry, I don't believe he's stalking you or even trolling you. He's much too clever minded and open minded to do anything so petty.
And, hey, he was here first, so of course, he'll be in more places than you would ever expect. Let's just say, he knows where the action is and where it isn't. Where it isn't, he spices it up... where it is, he adds character to it.
Yo ho Cags!!!
I'm off again.... all four feet pounding the ground... OH WAIT!!!.... That's my head on the brick wall!!!!
xox (that's for Cags, in the case that you might interpret it that it is for you.... )
I think I will go bust up my whole life work now, You Win Cagily,
You are far too intelligent and with a body of work on this forum that been into more places than I could imagine being. I have no strength; lack spinal column, having no spiny projections where you have a** that’s ten time more powerful than my backbone and happiness combined. Casgil knows about action and where it isn't who care about the whole physical world experience anyway. When Cagsil has a sitting down on you’re, a** (me no questions) godless computer..........................
I hope you are a least ten feet tall so I don’t have to bend so far to kiss it because I being so spinless and all
Response for Beth, your die hard follower
You are ten feet tall?, no and I have damaged myself?, no
ha ha ha
die hard follower? No, that's not the case at all. I happen to be a friend. That's so much better than a follower.
After all, anyone can have a follower, but it takes a bit more to make and keep a friend.
Now, CP, it appears that you are becoming quite sarcastic. I don't know if you know of this concept but I will try and explain.
The world consists of only two basic emotions. Fear and love. They co-exist. Every emotion and feeling stems from these two basic emotions.
Sarcasm is another form for anger, which is a form of fear that is being expressed.
Laughing at others is another form of fear.
Understanding and acceptance are forms of love.
Kindness, friendship, loyalty, belief are all forms of love.
You know very little of me, yet you made an accusation about me. Not smart nor kind of you. Your stating that I am a "die hard follower" only shows me how shallow your thought process is.
As I have stated previously, I applaud those who stand firmly for their beliefs and stand strong when they are accused of being wrong in their beliefs. You have misintepreted my stance.
So, again, aren't we a little bit off topic? And, when one changes the topic, it is a sign of fear -- it is a tactic of aversion to face the fear that truth invokes.
And, for the record, I am one who does believe, but I am also one who believes that each has their own right to believe in what they want as long it does not harm to another living soul.
Cags, wat's up these days? Did you know that this whole SP is about you, and it's kept me coming back all day. I just keep wondering when this is going to end.... hmmmmm..... I guess the religious threads never do, do they?
Not much. Hope things are well with you.
Well, at least you're in the forums.
Most of the time, these types of threads don't end, because some people just to out-right listen to reason.
Ok die hard follower is too strong a word, so lets quickly adjust that mistake. I did use good friend before. Yet you turned around and called me shallow like it my whole being was shallow, nonsense. Why would you stay up this long to talk to a shallow person.
I call it mocking, yes in is defense yet helps flow for a fun fill conversation.
People fear the unknowns and I’m truly fearless you would have get to know me, to know that, yet would not turn my back on a tiger.
No anger in me too, only once in my aldult I did it anger and yelled.
I Can agree that love is many things like understanding ,acceptance Kindness, friendship, loyalty, belief are all forms of love, for its the most important behavior in the world,
Do you still think I'm shallow?
I think Cags is purrrfectly fuzzy and warm and cuddly with bright brilliant blue eyes.....
It's outrageous, half of hubpages are flirting with Cags! And I personally do not see anything special in his blue eyes and his whiskers do not look like real at all!
CP's talking about tigers licking him and others are complimenting Cags on his eyes...
CP, can't say I've been licked by a tiger before but it must have been quite the experience. Yes, the balance of opposites that exists in all living things.
I wonder if this is one of those threads that can only truly be appreciated while under the influence of copious amounts of mind-altering substances? 'Cos I've had just two cans of Becks this evening, and I don't understand it at all
CP, I do not think that you are shallow. I did not try to imply that you are. I was pointing out that what you wrote made me feel that I was shallow... without any just cause to state my views or have any right to be here to voice myself.
I am awake so late into the night because I find it curious to see why people would be here to answer your question.
The way people think, act, react are all very interesting to me. I can sit an study the people around me for hours... sometimes days. No, it is not because I do not have a life, it is because I have one and that I try to understand why people are they way they are.
Wow Casgil, what did you do to have a thread written about you? Just kidding...
I think you're a great person from the little I spoke with you.
It doesn't matter what a person is, as long as they're respectful, kind and patient...I'm fine with them.
Thank you Terishere. I'm honored and humbled by your kind words.
@Cardisa- Be careful...I'll sent Tyrael to you and you can deal with him directly... (j/k) He is a character from a game.
I believe all are entitled to opinions and all need to get along. Right now I will call the truce and both of you shake hands and work things out.
CP is not shallow, Cags is not shallow.
CP has valid points, Cags has valid points.
I see there is testosterone here, Thank God for Estrogen. Geez. lololo
Truce? Who is at war?
Thank you kindly.
I'm not sure valid points you are referring to that Castlepaloma has made? But, thank you again.
Hand to paw, sure.
I given him lots of credit, Cagsil won't give me zero credit,
I don't know if he is tame enough to shake, where real tigers have licked my whole arm
There it is!
Did Ya see it? ???
That's what he is talking about!
Got it ????
He is asking me to give him credit for something which he hasn't explained? It makes no sense.
OK .... I did walk into something i didn't know what was going on.
just saying .... ?????
Perfect example- Jump before looking where you were jumping.
Yep ditto ..... you are OK whether you know it or not.
What do I want credit for"?
For bringing all your fans together to honor you.
All I have in life is what I give away
All my fans together to honor me? However, that was not your intention of the thread. So, how can I possibly give you credit for something you didn't intend on doing?
And, how exactly am I supposed to know what you have in life or what you give away? Last time I checked, I didn't have psychic abilities.
I was messing with you
All I really wanted to find out, if you are an atheist or an agnostic, and all you manage to do is hide. You don't know by now?
And I have said a number of times in the past. I hold no religious belief whatsoever and I am not affiliated with any religion at all.
Therefore, I am neither and/or NONE of the above. Which is what I said in my first post to you.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
I'll have my god Moe visit you later tonight, Ray. You are still a virgin, right?
Haven't been that for 30 years.
So, tell your god Moe, to stay home and cozy up next to the fire and brimstone.
I did not know atheist or agnostic were a religion, I must rush and tell them so.
Why don't you say?- I don't belong to any group, like I do
Just say you don't belong to any group in general and carry-on my friend.
You have a belief not a religion.
Some philosophers have questioned whether "belief" is a useful notion at all. IT might be too religious sounding,
How about, way of thinking?
Philosophy is thinking a way of thinking. Philosophically there are many areas we gone venture into such as Theism and Pantheism. Or Polytheism to Nibilism, it depends on what a person believes if you are looking at it philosophically.
An artist come to my office and wants to be hired. We spent hours talking then realized, I honesty could not guess what sex this person was, not that matter, because half the staff were bi or gay. She would say something like- it's that time of the month. I ask what's that Chris???!!!He/She said bills.
Finally after days of interviews I trapped the person on the application, this person was a she.
I'm having somewhat the same kind of problem with Cagsil, except he is not for hire and he says be free to ask, yet he will not give me an honest answer.
Is being too curious, a selfish act by me, this cat (me) has not been harmed or harmed anyone from being too curious yet?
I've said it before and apparently I must repeat myself, due to your lack of ability to comprehend what you read.
Again, you're attempting to defame my character, by claiming that I am not giving you honest answers to your questions, when ALL your questions have been answered.
How sad? How ridiculous? You're absolutely unbelievable.
The answer to your question with sincere honesty is, ((((drum roll please))) No. You are asking for clarity. I know what he believes but he needs to be the person to answer that question.
@Cags just answer the philosophical question and get it over with my friend.:)Shake hands and go about business.
Hey AEvans, I've answered every question he has put forth. It's his reading comprehension or lack of, which is preventing him from understanding.
He understands. I think you just likes to have some fun and and get a little rise from you. ::::::::::::::::::::::
But, that's the thing. He's actually not accomplishing getting a rise out of me. However, he is making a mockery out of himself though.
What are you trying to say, Cags? Are you going after my brother by chastising him? mmmmmmmm...... he sure did get a rise out of you! You are still yapping! lolololo! ((((Hugs)))
I wasn't talking about Lord de cross. I was talking about CP. Do try to keep things straight with regards to your own posts and who you're talking to.
It's interesting that you think Lord de cross got a rise out of me, by me asking a curious question? And, the only reason I'm still yapping(as you put it) is because YOUR lack of understanding.
Oh no you didn't! I clearly understood what you were saying, and if you read my words (clearly) it was about Lord not about CP. So pipe down and relax.
He understands. I think you just likes to have some fun and and get a little rise from you. This was my comment referencing Lord not CP. I believe both of us were moving in the wrong direction based on review.
Yet again, you're not paying attention to what is said to what post.
Actually you posted a comment to something CP said and I responded to that comment, which you thought I was talking about Lord and I wasn't, because your post was a response to CP.
Like I said- do try to keep things straight.
I didn't want to . I tried not to.
But like a train wreck i had to see.
Why you guys worry about Cagsil? He seems to be so offensive...! no! I meant to say inoffensive. Seen his blue eyes? He is so lucky! Been noticing Cagsil especial religiousity. I don't blame him... He was raised the way he is and no Chiropractor can straighten up his believes.
What beliefs are you referring to? I'm just curious, considering I've not made any statement with regards to what I believe.
I've stated only one belief I have and done so a number of time, to simply prove I don't hold specific beliefs with regards to religion or a god.
The belief in a mother who gave you life and the eyes... and mind that you have to write back. Do you think just aliens came to earth and made our human prototype? You went to a school and learnt to believe in you and your living. Can you imagine being born in Siberia? You have your own beliefs and I respect that. Period
Cagsil: I don't care about your religious or non-religious beliefs. I enjoy reading your writings and hubs and that's all that matters to me. Why oh why do we have to continue to label people? Let's just accept each other for what each is. Just let each other "be."
I'm honored and humbled by your kind words.
It comes from the inability to see beyond self(ego), for which, some seem to think that they are better than others, simply due to the label itself. However, they fail to realize the harm they bring to themselves, while acting on their thoughts.
That's the problem Suzette. Acceptance isn't taught anywhere. Tolerance is taught everywhere, but ego brings about intolerance to the willful ignorant.
It would be nice.
Just out of a kind of psychology curiosity sort of thing, I thought I would make the following post:
Leave Cags alone where someone else has plastered his name in the topic title.
However, do feel free to continue to torture him in the other threads. Just a thought?
Yeah, in a way, I'm getting tired of people plastering my name in titles, however, it does draw attention, good or bad.
On a side note, what would make you think that I could be tortured in other threads?
Cagsil: from being an Artist, I lead an unreasonable lifestyle, and it's all balanced out by finding everything within time, has a reason. If you cannot comprehend spirituality, try to imagine shooting off to the stars and universe. When you return back to earth, bring back what you can gather back down to earth, If you can't, you have a lame imagination about many artist and spirituality.
Cags says the right side of the brain is for Unreason and sub-conscious, which delivers such as creativity, music (or art) and imagination, Cag says there nothing new,
I do not need Cags approval that I’m better at some things than he is and him vice versa, just teasing him about wanting any credit from him. Everyone is an artist in degrees; just add imagination to discover new things in life
The funniest thing paradigmsearch said “Leave Cags alone” then “feel free to continue to torture him in the other threads.” Like I am not leaving the hub pages and I don’t have unbelievable thick skin. Things bounce off me knowing it’s none sense, like telling me I’m irrational, an idiot, go live in reality or you have no sense, gullible, and so many more for months on end...
For the ones who are not strong enough individual, or of the spiritual sided thinking kind. After 10 months of Cag unspeakable name calling and downing I just got annoyed enough to address this thread. . Please just tone down the downing and labeling, then maybe Cagsil fans will grow into the millions like mine did, being G rated pays off.
Why am I picking on Cag mmmm, Cag reminds me of my atheist Mother, which took me 30 years to convince her, she was a closet atheist. Then afterward we had the best loving relationship. Accept she did not down and label people. I had only one thread to convince Cagsil he lacks belief in God. Cag is not dishonest, just not fully honest on God and spiritual related topics.
Cagsil said I’m attempting to defame his character. You mean, you can actually defame someone character on these hub pages with all their protective devices and rules? My own rules are no harm and be honest, in order for me to defame a person’s character, I need A courtroom or a gun, never used neither, and have no interest in defaming your pretty mouth.
Cagsil I do enjoy your writing, sharing your thoughts and stories, embrace it with joy and wish you all the graceful love you desire.
Since this is the end, any last questions from anyone?
Bumping the thread you started, simply because someone else hasn't posted to your inflammatory remarks against me?
Talk about desperate for attention. There's absolutely no logical reason for you to post the comment you have posted to this thread, when you already have a perfectly good thread for your goodbye.
Goes to show you are nothing more than self-serving and need the attention. I've reported this thread in the hopes that they would close it, however, it appears as if staff refuses to do as asked. Ironically pathetic, but not a surprise.
I think Cagsil is an Atheist. We sometimes bumped in the forum threads. And it made me presumed that he is the somebody who doesn't believe in God. Or in some cases, it made him realize the existence of a Supreme Being but doesn't admit the truth of it.
I am not sure if he is into football or golf.
But one thing I am sure about Cagsil is he is fond of participating every discussion especially about religion.. Am I right Cagsil?
This statement is incorrect, considering I have no belief whatsoever in any religion or a god of any sort. I personally don't choose a label to be recognized by.
Yes, it is seldom done to bump threads, however, this particular individual apparently needs/craves attention. This is obvious.
You capitalize the "G" as if it's real, such as a proper noun?, thus a person/place or thing. Good luck with that.
I've said this before, and I guess I'll have to say it again- what supreme being? A supreme being, implies there's a higher authority and logically, and rationally, the highest authority in one's life is SELF.
I do watch Football(American sports, not the limp stuff outside America ) and on occasion I will even watch golf, but rarely.
Fond of it? No. Necessary, yes because it's simply too irrational.
I knew you wanted the last words
What do you think Cagsil, I’m a great artist and entertainer sure I love attention; I can go down to any beach and build a sandcastle and draw an instant crowd. One time in China we drew 8 million people to our one sand sculpture contest. What’s the big deal, everybody like attention. I’m not ever going to be a great writer, and not competeing with you for a few thousand people, I’m lucky if I draw a few hundred.
Relax: I like slow goodbyes, thanks for the self-serving comment. Yes, I think serving myself first in order to serve others better.
You say I’m Bumping the thread I started, because nobody else is posting inflammatory remarks against you. WHO did that! LET ME AT HIM!!! Mmmm think again isn’t that your problem, I’m not against anyone.
Wow, you went as far as reporting this thread in the hopes that they would close it; however, the staff refuses to do so as you asked. You did not even warn me first and you said I am not getting a raise out of you and then you added I am only damaging myself.
Wow!!! touchy atheist, What do I care, if you want to shoot me in the back while I’m leaving, Don’t think too highly of yourself to think I am leaving because of you. I already told many people I’m leaving for better thing to do for now.
I would not wish any negative low energy upon anyone, and would even love GW Bush to death.
I wish you well
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