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Angels

  1. Apostle Jack profile image60
    Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago

    Why is it said that Angels have wings? Wings in the bible only refer to Symbolism and not Celestial spirits of the Heavenly host,which don't have wings. Humankind compare anything that can fly to have wings.But they did not include Spiritual beings,which do not have any need of such help.They are supernatural.That is my story...what is yours?

    1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      1 Kings 8:7 The cherubim spread their wings over the place of the ark and overshadowed the ark and its carrying poles

      Exodus 25:19-20
      19 make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends.
      20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover.

      This doesn't seem like symbolism to me. Seems they had wings.

      1. Apostle Jack profile image60
        Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Cherubim's do not define Celestial spirituality.They are symbolic which have another meaning otherwise than that which is presented.  Cherubim's nor creatures with many heads and eyes and such,are not Angels.

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
          DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Cherubims are one of the higher ranked angels. Where are you getting your information from, seriously, I would really like to know.

          1. Apostle Jack profile image60
            Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Surely not the same place as you get yours. I have seen angels,you have only talked about them. There are no Cherubim's in the Heavenly host of heaven. You are mixing symbolism with Celestial spirits which you don't seem to know the difference of. You speak from an empty well. I would like to know how you drink without water...or can teach without having knowledge of what you are teaching about. Can you tell me that?
            I speak according to the increase.Daniel 12 v 4 in that:...they shall run to and fro,and knowledge shall be increase.

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You're the man! lol lol lol

            2. DoubleScorpion profile image86
              DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Since you have all of the answers, why bother discussing the issue. I don't debate with those who offer no understanding of the topic at hand. Disagreements, sure, that can be debated, but you are so far out in left field I am pretty sure we aren't even in the same ball park anymore.

              I am pretty sure the "well" you are drinking from is nothing more than a mirage.

              And I would say that since I hold a PHD in Biblical Studies, that makes me more qualified to teach on these types of matters than most.

  2. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    What angels? lol

    Mystic beliefs are based on mysticism. Mysticism is intellectual dishonesty that resides in oneself.

    Do try to purge yourself of mystic beliefs. You'll actually live a fuller life. Because, it will be based on honesty instead of dishonesty. wink Just a thought.

    1. Apostle Jack profile image60
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Are you saying that nothing supernatural exist,and that there is nothing uncommon above the common that is known?

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        By definition, the supernatural does not exist; everything comes from nature.

        Every thing in existence is both common and uncommon.  Only the supernatural, having no existence, can always be uncommon.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image60
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You are trying to explain something that you know nothing about. You only have theories and hear say....and not actual experience.So you think that everyone is like you.....without proof. And that don't hold any water.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So are you.  You know nothing of angels, and have only your personal theory and hear say...you have never met nor seen an angel.  That don't hold any water.

            1. Apostle Jack profile image60
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I have seen what you have not concerning Angels. So that make you have an empty well.And one can not drink from an empty well.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                One can drink from a poisoned well, though, and fill their head with nonsense.

                1. Apostle Jack profile image60
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  If one can see the pile of crap in the middle of the road,it is hie/her own fault if  he or she get it all over their shoes by stepping in it anyway. That.....is nonsense. Doing things unknowingly is one thing, to do it with your eyes open is quite another. Nonsense comes with ignorance..and not knowing bring the most nonsense to the table. Don't feel bad because you don't know...........you can always learn.
                  How can one drink from an empty well,you cannot poison what is not there. Or maybe you have a new trick to show everyone how it is done.

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Rolling in piles of crap is like drinking from a poisoned well; either way it fills one with BS and illusion.  The trick will be to one day learn how to dispense and dispose with both.  I wish you luck in that endeavor.

      2. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm saying that the supernatural is a mystic invention. And, it's based on intellectual dishonesty.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image60
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Santa Claus is a mystic invention of what fly in the air.You should know the difference.

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Santa Claus, just like spirituality, and whatever "god" religion puts forth, is all a mystic invention. Not real and YES, I know the difference.

            1. Apostle Jack profile image60
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              That is your extension of knowledge.Everyone is not so shadow in understanding. Intelligence is spiritual.Personality is spiritual,just to name a few. Santa Claus is a total lie. It seems that you only thought that you knew.

              1. Cagsil profile image59
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                And you're full of something that's for sure. lol

                1. Apostle Jack profile image60
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  What i am full of gets me where i am going. I think that we all are full of something.

                  1. Cagsil profile image59
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    As per usual. You're going nowhere fast. lol

              2. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Intelligence is a function of brain tissue coupled with environment and experience.  Personality is the same.  Santa Claus is a delightful tale to entertain and please children, just as angels are.

                1. Apostle Jack profile image60
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I would say that you are one of those children. Is that why your answer is so much like a child which is without reality of knowing? Brain tissue don't produce anything but matter,cells,elements and material function. I think that you are greatly confused.

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Brain tissue produces energy and electrical activity.  This in turn gives rise the the effects we call intelligence and personality.  Certain poisons can disrupt these finely tuned activities and can indeed cause confusion.

                    All straight now, or still drinking from poisoned wells?

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    Apostle Jack. I'm not saying angels don't exist, but have you ever seen one? If not, you are using your imagination to decide what they look like. Why care if anyone agrees or disagrees? The things you imagine can look any way you want.

    1. Apostle Jack profile image60
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes I have seen Celestial Spirits that are call Angels.,and they don;t have wings. They don't need wings to fly,or get from one place to another. The truth is always important.  I speak from evidence,and nor theories or hear say.
      Even more because I am a celestial spirit,and i speak from that knowledge existence and not schools of world education,but from what my eyes have seen and my spirit have experienced.
      So i speak with confidence...and not imagination.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It is good to speak with confidence; a lack of confidence in ones self gives rise to great unhappiness and sadness.

        Of course, even infinite confidence does not necessarily correlate with reality.

        1. Apostle Jack profile image60
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          True...but when you have touch the flames...there is no more doubt. Only those that have not is lacking in the knowledge of it.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes.  Lack of doubt IS confidence.  But confidence isn't knowledge; often it is only delusion.  Too much flame, too much pain, and the result is madness and delusion even while overconfident.

            1. Apostle Jack profile image60
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The act of knowing is what it is all about. Knowledge and confidence cannot be separated. If so ......explain one without the other.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                It is difficult; I have been trying very hard to give knowledge to confidence without knowledge for some time now.

                The problem seems to be that confidence believes instead of knowing while thinking it is knowing when it is not.  It thus will not learn to gain knowledge, preferring instead to believe that its belief is knowledge.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Not bad at all wilderness, not bad at all. smile

                2. Apostle Jack profile image60
                  Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It is not known that confidence is without knowledge.Only knowledge can tell you that. Confidence will be the voice that said it.

  4. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    Goddunnit perhaps? smile

    1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I really don't understand where some of these thought processess come from. One would think that those claiming to be Christian, would understand their own bible better than some of these folks do. Sometimes, when reading these forums, I just have to scratch my head at some of the comments made by some. Believer or not...I am pretty sure we can all comprehend what we read. Slight differences in interpretations maybe, but some things are just simply straight forward with no interpretation required.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I agree.
        I studied the bible in Hebrew, Greek and English, and although I speak only English, the studies showed that there was very little left open to interpretation, the later bibles were pretty much in agreement over words and their different meanings.

        Being able to see archetypes in analogous scripture and separate that from the rest is relatively easy to do, if one is not locked in to the delusions of grandeur.

      2. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hey DS, one's perception skews the interpretation. There are other factors involved, but this really isn't the thread to get into it. hmm Before one can interpret anything, they have to use their perception to read and comprehend. If their perception is skewed, because they truly don't understand how to use their own perception or what it's for, then the interpretation will have mixed results.

        Just a thought.

    2. Apostle Jack profile image60
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It is not where you have been,more than it is what you know.  Once burned....always learned. But that is only for some,most people will have to be a 1000 times before they believe that .....that is what fire does.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I don't understand any of your post, so I guess I am just not as spiritual or knowledgeable as you. smile

        1. Apostle Jack profile image60
          Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          On the real side,some truly do know more than others.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I agree. smile

            1. Apostle Jack profile image60
              Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              At lease out of the pot of many thoughts to be express in the world,we do agree on something. But still, one board don't build a house.

 
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