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Freemasonry is a religion...

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    Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago

    Why would you think they are not?

    1. Quilligrapher profile image90
      Quilligrapherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Why would you think they are?

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      On what messenger prophet of the Creator God freemasonry was revealed that it should be considered as religion?

      1. recommend1 profile image71
        recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Freemasons claim that the builders of Solomons Temple were Freemasons and arose from a religion that pre-dates that time.  Unless my memory is faulty, its been a long time smile

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          paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That does not make them a religion unless they have Word from the Creator God; otherwise it will be just and ideology not a  religion.

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            paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this
  2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 5 years ago

    Because they claim a belief in a supreme being. It is a requirement of membership.

    According to the definition of a religion they qualify. The definition of a Religion:

    From Wikipedia:

    A religion is any systematic approach to living that involves beliefs about one's origins, one's place in the world, or a responsibility to live and act in the world in particular ways.

    From Dictionary.com: re⋅li⋅gion  [ri-lij-uhn] –noun
    1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

    2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

    3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

    4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

    5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

    6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

    1. Cagsil profile image82
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So does that mean "Life" is a religion also?

      Some seems to think it's a requirement for living life.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I Dunno...

        Ask them.

        1. Cagsil profile image82
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Just figured I'd ask you. hmm Since you don't know. I'll leave it at that.

  3. janesix profile image73
    janesixposted 5 years ago

    Freemasonry is just a silly Boys Club.

  4. Paul Wingert profile image78
    Paul Wingertposted 5 years ago

    Freemasony is a fraternaty not a religion.

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      Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Read the def. Again that's exactly what freemasonry is... It is...

      1. Paul Wingert profile image78
        Paul Wingertposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You don't know squat about Freemasonry so stop predending that you do.

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    And this is important to know  .. Because?

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      Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Our world is based upon their beliefs

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        Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Not the beliefs of any other religion....

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          Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          How do you see our world based on their beliefs? Could you give some specifics?

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    Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago

    And actually it dates back to 1100

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    Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago

    Specifics sure... Let me be more clear... The world we live in today is built by them

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      Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Ok. Then I guess that makes us all free masons?

  8. Dale Nelson profile image29
    Dale Nelsonposted 5 years ago

    The definitions above does seem to cover just about every opinion and belief one could have. So I agree it seems like life is religion using these reasons.

    Free masons were stone masons who were deemed free by the then colonial rule as they were an organization not governed by religion and needed free travel to build churches around the globe ironically.

    The free masons lodge was created out of the need for a meeting place after work to plan the next days work and to eat and sleep. Hence the word lodge.

    The transition from operative to speculative freemasonry occurred when it no longer became necessary for a freemason to possess the skills needed for building and the everyday man could apply.

    Wrote a hub a while back if anyone is interested in more about their origins.

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      Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What time frame did this occur?

      1. Paul Wingert profile image78
        Paul Wingertposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I just assumed that you don't know anything about freemasonry. After asking that, you removed all doubt!

    2. Disappearinghead profile image88
      Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Excellent response.

      Shame the evangelical church gets its knickers in such a twist about them.

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        Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I was busy and I do have a response

        1. Disappearinghead profile image88
          Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this


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    Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago

    Here you go...See the common perception of the majority of historians of Freemasonry is that the origin of the organization goes back to the Crusades. In fact, though Masonry was only officially established and recognized in England in the early eighteenth century, the roots of the organization do reach back to the Crusades in the twelfth century. At the center of this familiar tale is an order of crusaders called the Knights Templar or the Templars. Yes a Freemason order and a very high and respected one...

    No matter how much some may insist that the Crusades were military expeditions carried out in the name of the Christian faith, fundamentally, they were undertaken for material gain. In a period when Europe was experiencing great poverty and misery, the prosperity and wealth of the East, especially of the Muslim in the Middle East, attracted the Europeans. This inclination took on a religious facade, and was ornamented with the symbols of Christianity, though, in actuality, the idea of the Crusades was born out of a desire for worldly gain. This was the reason for the sudden change among Christians of Europe from their former pacifist policies, in earlier periods of their history, towards military aggression.

    The founder of the Crusades was Pope Urban II. He summoned the Council of Clermont, in 1095, in which the former pacifist doctrine of the Christians was abandoned. A holy war was called for, with the intent to wrest the holy lands from the hands of the Muslims. Following the council, a huge army of Crusaders was formed, composed both of professional soldiers, and tens of thousands of ordinary people. Thus look at our world today see a pattern?

    Historians believe Urban II's venture was prompted by his desire to thwart the candidacy of a rival to the papacy. Furthermore, while European kings, princes, aristocrats and others greeted the pope's call with excitement, their intentions were basically mundane, the French knights wanted more land. Italian merchants hoped to expand trade in Middle Eastern ports... Large numbers of poor people joined the expeditions simply to escape the hardships of their normal lives.  Along the way, this greedy mass slaughtered many Muslims, and even Jews, in hopes of finding gold and jewels. The crusaders even cut open the stomachs of those they had killed to find gold and precious stones the victims may have swallowed before they died.

    After a long and difficult journey, and much plunder and slaughter of Muslims, this motley band called Crusaders reached Jerusalem in 1099. When the city fell after a siege of nearly five weeks, the Crusaders moved in. They carried out a level of savagery the like of which the world has seldom seen. All Muslims and Jews in the city were put to the sword. In the words of one historian, "They killed all the Saracens and the Turks they found... whether male or female.

    In two days, the Crusader army killed some 40,000 Muslims in the most barbaric manner. The crusaders then made Jerusalem their capital, and founded a Latin Kingdom stretching from the borders of Palestine to Antioch.

    Later, the crusaders initiated a struggle to maintain their position in the Middle East. In order to sustain the state they had founded, it was necessary to organize it. To this end, they established military orders, the alike of which had never existed before. Members of these orders came from Europe to Palestine, and lived in a type of monastery where they received military training to fight against Muslims. One of these orders, in particular, was different from the others. It underwent a transformation that would influence the course of history. This order was the Templars.

    The Templars, or, their full name, The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon, was formed in 1118, that is, 20 years after the crusaders took Jerusalem. The founders of the order were two French knights, Hugh de Payens and Godfrey de St. Omer. At first there were 9 members, Yes 9!! A powerfull number in masonic belifes.. but the order steadily grew. The reason they named themselves after the temple of Solomon was because the place they had chosen as a base was the temple mount where this ruined temple had been located. This same location was where the Dome of the Rock (Qubbet as-Sakhrah) stood. This is a Masonic foundation... And this is their destiny of what they are trying to achieve in the very near future...

    The Templars called themselves "poor soldiers," but within a short time they became very wealthy. Christian pilgrims, coming from Europe to Palestine, were under the complete control of this order, and by whose money they became very rich.

    It was the Templars who were mainly responsible for the crusaders' attacks of and murder of Muslims. For this reason, the great Islamic commander Saladin, who defeated the crusaders' army in 1187, in the Battle of Hattin, and afterwards rescued Jerusalem, put the Templars to death for the murders they had committed, even though he had otherwise pardoned a large number of Christians. Although they lost Jerusalem, and suffered heavy casualties, the Templars continued to exist. And, despite the continual diminution of the Christian presence in Palestine, they increased their power in Europe and, first in France, and then in other countries, became a state within a state.

    Finally, in 1307, the French king Philip le Bel decided to arrest the members of the order. Some of them managed to escape but most of them were caught. Pope Clement V also joined the purge. Following a long period of interrogation and trial, many of the Templars admitted to heretical beliefs, that they had rejected the Christian faith and insulted Jesus in their masses. And still to this presant day!!look at our government buildings do you see any crosses????and dipictions of jesus?? Yes IN GOD WE TRUST is all over but they do not believe they believe in a creator not his son....  Finally, the leaders of the Templars, who were called "grand masters," beginning with the most important of them, Jacques de Molay, were executed in 1314 by order of the Church and the King. The majority of them were put into prison, and the order dispersed and officially disappeared.

    The trial of the Templars ended with the termination of the order. But, although the order "officially" ceased to exist, it did not actually disappear. During the sudden arrest in 1307, some Templars escaped, managing to cover their tracks. According to a thesis based on various historical documents, a significant number of them took refuge in the only kingdom in Europe that did not recognize the authority of the Catholic Church in the fourteenth century, Scotland. There, they reorganized under the protection of the Scottish King, Robert the Bruce. Some time later, they found a convenient method of disguise by which to continue their clandestine existence: they infiltrated the most important guild in the medieval British Isles—the wall builders' lodge, and eventually, they fully seized control of these lodges. Present to this day...

    The wall-builders' lodge changed its name, at the beginning of the modern era, calling itself the "Masonic lodge." The Scottish Rite is the oldest branch of Masonry, and dates back to the beginning of the fourteenth century, to those Templars who took refuge in Scotland. And, the names given to the highest degrees in Scottish Rite are titles attributed centuries earlier to knights in the order of Templars. These are still employed to this day.

    In short, the Templars did not disappear, but their philosophy, beliefs and rituals still persist under the guise of Freemasonry. This thesis is supported by much historical evidence, and is accepted today by a large number of Western historians, whether they are Freemasons or not.

    The thesis that traces the roots of Masonry to the Templars is often referred to in magazines published by Masons for its own members. Freemasons are very accepting of the idea. One such magazine is called Mimar Sinan (a publication of Turkish Freemasons), which describes the relationship between the Order of the Templars and Freemasonry in these words:

    In 1312, when the French king, under pressure from the Church, closed the Order of Templars and gave their possessions to the Knights of St. John in Jerusalem, the activities of the Templars did not cease. The great majority of the Templars took refuge in Freemasonic lodges that were operating in Europe at that time. The leader of the Templars, Mabeignac, with a few other members, found refuge in Scotland under the guise of a wall builder under the name of Mac Benach. The Scottish King, Robert the Bruce, welcomed them and allowed them to exercise great influence over the Masonic lodges in Scotland. As a result, Scottish lodges gained great importance from the point of view of their craft and their ideas.

    Today, Freemasons use the name Mac Benach with respect. Scottish Masons, who inherited the Templars' heritage, returned it to France many years later and established there the basis of the rite known as the Scottish Rite.

    Finally, we say, it is clear that the roots of Freemasonry stretch back to the Order of Templars, and that the Masons have adopted the philosophy of this order. Masons themselves accept this.  Need to know more? I think this clears a lot of this up... History is repeating itself and with these people in power their agenda is taking fold... Now do you understand the past?? So what about today? I can tell you what is going on to anyone who wishes to know.... Knowledge is great thing.

    1. GoGreenTips profile image59
      GoGreenTipsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Most historians agree only that the fist recorded assembly of the group we know as freemasonry happened in 1717.  Some scholars believe that Freemasonry can trace its roots back to more ancient times, but no actual proofs exists, recorded history.

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        Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You have to understand Freemasonary and their beliefs.. Secrecy and an establishment would not give an exact date of formation, things evolve from an orgin thus Freemasonary, Knights Templar.... Was well before 17th century

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          Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What you don't understand is that they are from the planet Tabor. World domination is inevitable. All will be revealed in 2012. Check the Mayan prophecies. It's there. In black and white. Well, yellow and blue to be exact. But, you catch my drift. wink

  10. Disappearinghead profile image88
    Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago

    Why do you care about Freemasons? What is your problem with them? What is the point of the OP?

  11. FitnezzJim profile image88
    FitnezzJimposted 5 years ago

    I'm kind of old fashioned.  I was taught if you want to know about something, go to the source, if you can find it.
    Two weeks ago, and due to curiousity about my grandfather (he was a high ranking Mason in the Order of the Scottish Rites), I visited the library/museum at the Temple of the Scottish Rites of Freemasonry in Washington D.C.  The most important thing I learned that day was this: If you want to know about Freemasonry, go ask a Mason.
    Their web-site is at http://scottishrite.org/.

    1. Disappearinghead profile image88
      Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Absolutely agree with you. I'm just getting rather bored with Christians banging on about the evils of Freemasonry and curses that pass down the family line as a result of membership. The Church has been antagonistic towards the masons for centuries and demonises them when it is shown that this antagonism is illogical.

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    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    So, Freemasonary is an ideology not a religion founded by any messenger prophet of the Creator God.

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      paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Is here a Freemanos who claims that Freemasonary is a religion? Let us talk to him; if they don't claim to be a religion; why should one insist that they are a religion?

  13. Midnight Oil profile image91
    Midnight Oilposted 5 years ago

    It's just a sanctuary for old men, when its too wet to play golf...!!

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      Tabari2iesopenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This is where my info is coming from... A mason...

  14. Dale Nelson profile image29
    Dale Nelsonposted 5 years ago

    Nice cut and paste from here by the way.

    world  wide web -- --- .globalfreemasonry.com/articles_01.html

    Not linked to remain within T and C of hubpages

    1. FitnezzJim profile image88
      FitnezzJimposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      whoops?  I goofed when I provided a link?

  15. brotheryochanan profile image59
    brotheryochananposted 5 years ago

    freemasons and masons are two different groups.

    There is a reason the masons wanted to be free.

    Masons are the oldest of the two groups.
    Many leaders, kings and queens have been members of the mason sect.