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What Motivates Atheists to Bash Innocent Religions?

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    Mick Menousposted 5 years ago

    Let's face it. We ALL know that most atheists are paranoid of religions and that they're in-denial about it. They claim they're the more peaceful people in America when really they're no different from any average radical religious person. They also claim that there has been no crime commited in world history in the name of Atheism. And they're in-denial of that also.

    The truth is, there HAVE been crimes commited in the name of Atheism AND Secularism in world history. For example, the former Soviet Union nation was a strong secularist nation that outlawed religion in their country and even burned down churches to support their secularist beliefs. This, of course, also stems from Socialism, which is a form of tyranny like Communism, and Socialism, as we all know, is affiliated with Atheism and Secularism.

    Now, what is the atheists false, lame excuse for speaking out against innocent religions? Simple: the First Admendment of the US Constitution, which states that all Americans have Freedom of Speech. While I agree that every American in the US deserves to have Freedom of Speech, it is the liberal atheists that I believe abuse their Free Speech the most in America by constently speaking out against religions. What they don't understand is that this lashing out against religions is what's called a Verbal Crime against all religions. It degrades THEIR Freedom of Speech in America. You know, when you think about it, THAT's a Verbal Crime made in the name of Atheism and Secularism.

    The bottom line is, atheists are in no position whatsoever to laminate and/or bash religions in the United States and in the world, NOR are they in any position to point out their faults just because they have the right to Free Speech.

    So, I just have One (1) question to ask all atheists who wish to continue to lash out at religions and refuse to stop:

    What motivates you all to say and do such degrading, hurtful things to the faithful/spiritual? In other words, what makes you all tick like a clock?

    1. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Classic! lol

      Yes, we know your religion is not degrading or hurtful to others, so obviously we are just self-motivated with nothing better to do. lol

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That's about right. I think you have absolutely nothing to do as you hang out with all your friends = 0. You can't even write a hub.

        Do you want to blame me for the inquistion again lol

        1. LeslieAdrienne profile image81
          LeslieAdrienneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Brother Ochanan,

          Your wit is so cool... You make me laugh all of the time cool

    2. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What's the religionists false, lame excuse for speaking out against atheists?

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        loving your enemies of course

        1. A Troubled Man profile image61
          A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You're right, that is a pretty lame reason.

        2. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          brotheryochanan
          loving your enemies of course

          Gee, I have no claim of any enemies

          What's that like loving most the world;s people as your enemies because they all do not bow down to JC.

          I can only imagine having a very stiff neck from looking over my shoulder

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          Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Sad, how you perceive those who disagree as enemies. Doesn't sound like an act of love. Are you sure you've used the correct word in that sentence?

    3. Cagsil profile image82
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Purpose motivates me to do all that I do and say. wink

    4. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      A highly objective, critical and reasoned analysis............yeah.

    5. LookingForWalden profile image62
      LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago in reply to this



      Your misconception of the term free speech is troubling at best. By definition free speech gives them the right  to do everything  you just stated.  Except laminate, which I don't think is in the constitution.

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      SpartanVampireposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Im athiest im peaceful an frankily i dont bash religion because its wrong.  1 of my friends is an athiest and hes a pacifist so hes peaceful.  Please dont let our retarted athiests make what we stand for. On a nother note athiesm is concidered a religion and this page is bashing it.  I have a person in my class who tells me im going to hell and that i should be killed right now, im always bashed for it but i dont bash back, some do but you cant blame us all for it, and hey at least we arent satinist. So please next time you feel like posting somthing offensive to an entire group of people instead of the smaller portion that deserve it, dont.

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      SpartanVampireposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I also love how you post a bash talking about how bashing is bad

    8. nightwork4 profile image61
      nightwork4posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      funny. almost everything you said is not only wrong but extremely opinionated.first off, more horrible things have been committed in the name of religion then any other reason. secondly, religion loves to throw itself in every ones face. did you know that many religious people won't even let an atheist into their homes, date one of their children etc. wow, you're so wrong i'm actually shaking my head as i type this.

    9. Daniella Lopez profile image87
      Daniella Lopezposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      By bashing Atheist, don't you place yourself down to the same level that you have claimed they stoop to?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Somewhat understand this kind of bias that Christian have that nightwork  is talking about. Because I have not given up my soul to JC my (pastor }real brother has shut me out of his life and lost a few jobs from this extreme bias and I am not even atheist.

    10. autumn18 profile image68
      autumn18posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No, we don't ALL know that. It is your opinion and a generalization of a group of people. I'm glad though that you mention that any radicalism whether religious or not can be (usually is) bad.



      The group that shares an opposite opinion than yourself is the group that abuses their freedom of speech the most? Funny how it worked out that way. Again it is a generalization that all atheists bash and speak out against religions. It can be turned right around and said about the religious speaking out against non believers. But what's the point?



      Is anyone in the position to bash anyone? It still happens, on all sides. Why not point out faults? I agree that bashing isn't very nice but if someone wishes to point out the faults of something then why not? You don't have to agree. Some people might agree.



      So all atheists tick the same way? Or are you really only asking the ones that lash out and refuse to stop? Do you think any word against religion even made rationally and peacefully is lashing?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Being against anything, dose not work, being not for something works, at least for yourself. Being against something mean you are just joining the problem. Being for something works stronger when the other person or group agree.

        Mocking them, is light heated enough and most often enough and works some form of communication. If they give me a deceit Insults and it'd true, then I'm learning something. If I give them a deceit insult and they may tell me  to go to hell. They may have sinned AGAINIST God which can only make that judgement and they just created their own personal hell. Too many crazy rules that can't be followed anyways.

    11. LewSethics profile image60
      LewSethicsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Religious people are just plain scary.

      1. AshtonFirefly profile image81
        AshtonFireflyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol! smile

    12. Jeff Berndt profile image89
      Jeff Berndtposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Same thing that motivates religious people to bash on innocent atheists.

      1. A Thousand Words profile image80
        A Thousand Wordsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        +1

    13. gamergirl profile image59
      gamergirlposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, the "false, lame excuse" you flippantly add to your post as a rhetorical question is the same kind of rhetoric that can be pointed at religious folk.  The first amendment applies to every American citizen.  Lucky you!



      What motivates you to say such degrading, hurtful, ridiculous things to atheists?

      1. A Troubled Man profile image61
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Religion, although the believer will tell you that humans are evil by nature. Hence, we must have a case in which religion failed in curing that evil. lol

    14. Cassie Smith profile image73
      Cassie Smithposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I think you should expect that kind of behavior from the anti-religious.  Jesus faced that sort of evil.  Don't forget that people from his own community brought his destruction.  Even before Jesus was born and his birth was prophesied, Herod killed babes and toddlers hoping to get Jesus.  It is a part of our history that Christians will face, at the very least, resistance to the faith.  They look at Christianity as a rebuke to their way of life.  The message is one of love, and they will twist it to something unrecognizable and deformed.

    15. mischeviousme profile image59
      mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      There is no such thing as an innocent religion. One must remember all of the wars and prejudice that religion incites. The cruisades, the Catholic reformations and the wars that have been going on for thousands of years in the middle east. It's kind of the whole "My idea's better than your's" thing. This is not to mention that Parishioners feed on people, that they know don't really know much about anything. It is my opinion, that truly smart people, do not buy into such things as invisible men in the sky, dictating our very existance.

      1. lizzieBoo profile image78
        lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        There is no such thing as an innocent religion, it's true, but only because that statement doesn't make sense. It's worded wrongly. A religion can't been innocent because it is not a thinking, feeling thing.  Religious people are treated very badly in many parts of the world, usually without just cause.
        You talk about the Crusades, the last of which was in the 13th century, you talk about the Reformation, by which I think you mean the Protestant Reformation which happened 494 years ago. I'd like to know what wars have started as a result of a Christian faith since then?

        1. mischeviousme profile image59
          mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          There have been many reformations. But that is beside the point. There is not one religion that isn't soaked in the blood of others.

          1. mischeviousme profile image59
            mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Japan 1650's... The japanese people killed as many christians as they could and Japan closed it's doors until the late 1800's. Of course if christans hadn't tried to civilize already civilized countries, it wouldn't have happened that way.
                The other thing, is that I really don't blame christians as a whole, I was referring to all religions.

            1. mischeviousme profile image59
              mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Christians waged wars on the native Americans for years, because they were not taking to being "cicilized" by the white man. Christians commited genecide on Native Americans and subjigated an entire race based on manifest destiny.

              1. lizzieBoo profile image78
                lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Because they were Christian? Because they looked at their book which said "Thou shalt not kill" and took it  to mean, "Kill"?
                People! People do bad things regardless  of religion.

          2. lizzieBoo profile image78
            lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            That's because religions are made up of people. People are animals and they will kill each other like animals. The point of Christianity as a religion, is to make some rules that will lessen man's inclination towards the most debased behavior.

            1. mischeviousme profile image59
              mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              As far as us being animals, I agree. But as I said before... There is not one religion on earth today that does not have a violent history. As for us being animals, we are a higher order of primate and in fact are more akin to the great apes than chimpanzees.
                 On the other hand, religion while not guilty in and of it's self, is a catalist for irrational behavior. So, I can say that while I am not an atheist, I do not support religion in any form. I do however believe there is an intelligence to the universe that at present words ellude.

    16. nightwork4 profile image61
      nightwork4posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      which innocent religion are you talking about. personally i have never heard of any religion being innocent.

    17. Dave Mathews profile image60
      Dave Mathewsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I see the hateful religious bashings of Atheists as something prodded by satan in his attempt to drive a wedge between believers to try and force them away from their beliefs.

    18. LeslieAdrienne profile image81
      LeslieAdrienneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Most atheists truly want to believe what they say, and their anger and attacks come from their unrest in their spirit. With their comments they are pushing as hard as they can against the Believers hoping that the Believers will cave thereby affirming the words of the atheist.

      They are never satisfied because in their heart of hearts there still exists the doubt as to whether there really is a  God. That small doubt nags and nags at them continually.

      So let them rant and rave, cry and curse God will show Himself to us all.

      1. mischeviousme profile image59
        mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I think most atheists have realized that religion is outmoded and has nothing left to offer anyone. Most atheists I've talked to think its cool that others have something to keep them on the straight and narrow. On the other hand, most atheists have also had their fill of religious tension and believe that one should follow their own path, rather than being driven by an invisible man in the sky, that hasn't really done much more than the whims of the church and state.

           The above pertains to all religions, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and as many as one can name. As I've said before, their is no religion that is not soaked in blood and that hasn't become some form of blemmish on society as a whole.

      2. A Thousand Words profile image80
        A Thousand Wordsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That's silly. You group atheists together as if they are all the same. People can be dogmatic, whether they are religious or not. I do not agree to the extent with which ANYONE mocks another based on their beliefs or lack there of, but don't so foolish as to think that Atheists/Agnostics are not "persecuted" by believers (of most faiths).

        Christians are just as quick to attack people. You try to be an Agnostic-borderline-Nontheist in Georgia with mostly black Baptist Christians in your family, and then come crying to me.

    19. Philanthropy2012 profile image89
      Philanthropy2012posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The reason would because religions are a waste of time, money and thought and intelligent atheists find it frustrating to see people devoting their entire lives to something so obviously false and manipulative.

      On top of that are the people who feel righteous and superior because of their religion, which stokes the fire because atheists and agnostics find it hard enough not to make fun of religious beliefs in the first place.

      Here is a hub of mine that explains why it doesn't matter whether God exists or not when we have people starving on the streets. When people DIE every day, whilst other people PRAY in church for them. Why don't those people who PRAY actually spend that time DOING something for the poor?

      Studies have shown that praying for a starving child is not as effective as feeding him actual food:

      http://philanthropy2012.hubpages.com/hu … not_matter

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      dabo97posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Religions are not innocent.  Think of the Inquisition, the Crusades, intolerance, and an attitude that we are the chosen ones and are the owners of the ONE TRUTH.  The rest of you are ALL WRONG.  That's what turns me off to some religious people.

  2. Borsia profile image59
    Borsiaposted 5 years ago

    You seriously need to study history.
    Russian Communism was welcomed by the people as a relief from the church's barbarity. It was around long before Stalin forged the USSR and not all religions were banned. Russian Orthodox is still the dominant religion.

    Stalin saw religions as intrusive into his control, not because he was an atheist but because he was a egomaniac tyrant. He banned anything that he thought was a threat not just religion but virtually all civil law. He murdered all of the USSR troops who ever met an American at the end of the war. He murdered most of his officers shortly before war broke out. He was just a nut with too much power. He didn't do any of that in the name of atheism.

    Hitler, on the other hand was Christian. Among those he murdered were atheist who he disliked and distrusted and constantly compared to communist, who he also murdered.

    Atheist don't really care about peoples beliefs in gods or religion. AT least not until the religious try to intrude into our lives with their myths and try to indoctrinate atheist children with their mindless dribble.
    Now before you start saying how that is all wrong I will point out that when I was in grammar school religion was pushed in schools and I was singled out and put down by teachers for being "an unholy atheist misfit".

    Religions have been attacking atheist for 5,000+ years so excuse me if we have no sympathy for religions trying to rule the country.
    The hilarious thing is that most of the lawsuits and such that are always attributed to atheists are filed by religious groups who don't share the same flavor... Let me take this time to thank them for doing so much for us!


    But there is a bright side to all of this. Atheism is the fastest growing belief, or non-belief, in the world. While America is one of the last places in the change every other 1st world country has reached a point with over 30% and an equal number of agnostics.
    The dominance of religion is falling world wide. We are smiling ;-D

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      +1

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      SpartanVampireposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I love you, (no homo)

    3. eliserenee profile image59
      elisereneeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Borsia- Hitler actually was not a Christian. For a time he may have claimed to be. However, the book "Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944", contains his real views about Christianity, which were not in praise of it at all.

      1. A Troubled Man profile image61
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Despite the fact that book has been discredited by historians, that the Christian and Catholic churches were quite embarrassed over having supported Hitler, that his own words written in Mein Kampf describe his faith, that all of his public and private speeches corroborated his faith and that no original documents or recordings have ever been found to support that book which has also been published as "Hitler's Table Talk".

        1. eliserenee profile image59
          elisereneeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for pointing that out. I will have to look into that more thoroughly. I guess I just have a personal problem with Hitler being attributed to "Christianity" because I don't see any basis for it in his actions. But I was aware that the Church supported him and that he claimed to be a Christian.

        2. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Here we go with the Hitler thing again. We need to differentiate between authentic christianity and instrumental christianity.

          Would jesus have agreed with the holocaust? That's authentic
          Did a man using relgion commit the holocaust?  Thats instrumental.

          We need to ask ourselves would a bad person do bad things even if the cloak of religion were not available? The answer to that i think is yes.

          We need to remember that there is supported evidence to Hitler being a crazy bird a few items short of a combo meal. Also there are political agendas which i am sure influenced him as well.
          One of the problems with catholicism and another wrong doctrine is that no person is born into a denomination. No person is born catholic, presbyterian, pentecostal, etc. Since hitler may have been born roman catholic only makes him a cultural (pardon the expression) christian and not an authentic christian.

          If someone from here went out and shot 20 kids at a highschool and reporters found out they adamantly voiced against theism. One reporter might spin the story: religiously tortured individual kills many, and bingo, another smear.

          1. A Troubled Man profile image61
            A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            LOL! This should be good.



            Would Jesus agree with the dishonesty and hypocrisy of Christians who will say and do anything to defend Him?

            Have Christians used dishonesty to defend their faith?



            Since your religion considers all men evil and sinful by nature, we can acknowledge and understand why Christians would believe that.

            By nature, men have far too many other things to deal with in life that concern more their families welfare and happiness as opposed to sneaking around and thinking up bad things to do. In contrast to your beliefs, men are not evil by nature, they are instead compelled and lead towards doing bad things through ignorance and bad ideologies, like religions.

            So, the answer to that more precisely is that there must be some reason for people to do bad things, they don't do them for nothing.



            Yet, Hitler supported his faith every bit his insanity would allow. We can further debate the implications of how faith and sanity are shared, but that's another story.



            lol While you and I both know it's ridiculous for a new born or child to comprehend the beliefs of Christianity that they may judge whether or not to accept it, it's certainly another thing to argue whether or not they are born into a denomination like Christianity. Their parents would wholeheartedly disagree with that and so would the church.



            That's exactly why we don't believe everything we hear in the media. If I saw a headline with the words "religiously tortured" in it, red flags would go up all over my pea brain.

            Just so you know, most non-believers will not support anyone who spreads false information about religions. That same reason why we support your right to speak even though we don't agree with the speech. smile

        3. lizzieBoo profile image78
          lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The RC church didn't support Hitler. Many priests suffered at the hands of the Nazis, and many priests have been thanked for their efforts to help save Jews. Some members of the Vatican chose to keep silent, which was cowardly, but also easy for us to judge from our comfortable armchairs.

          1. A Troubled Man profile image61
            A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            *sigh* here we go again...

            So, you've never heard of the Concordant? It was signed between the Catholic Church and Hitler because the CC supported Hitler as it promised their rights would be respected.

            Seriously, why do you keep denying reality?

            1. lizzieBoo profile image78
              lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              The desire to prevent Catholic places of worship being smashed up, as they are in Palestine and Pakistan and Nigeria today, is NOT the same as supporting wicked dictatorships. The Catholic church should have done more to help the Jews. So should have the French, the British and the Americans. We were all too late in acting and we all turned a blind eye to a certain extent.
              Stop trying to avoid the fact that your views about religion and religious people sit uncomfortably well with Hitler's.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I would only advise that you stop trying to avoid facts.

                1. lizzieBoo profile image78
                  lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You are not thinking, you are just reacting. If all you choose to see in this life is negativity, you will find plenty of examples. I don't see what you can learn from it though. Your choice of reality is limited.

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                    A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    So, you admit to not knowing what thinking is about?



                    Nonsense. I only see negativity in the dishonest posts of believers and have found loads of examples here. I am not choosing to see it because you have chosen to write it.



                    Gobbledegook.

          2. Valerie F profile image60
            Valerie Fposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Even that's an understatement. Hitler could not control and exploit the Catholic Church, so he sought to eliminate it, first with aggressive persecutions that forced the Church to operate underground, then with trips to the concentration camps.

            St. Maximilian Kobe died in a concentration camp. He was arrested for being Catholic.

            St. Edith Stein died in a concentration camp. Though she was killed for being of Jewish ancestry, she (with her whole convent) was arrested for being Catholic.

            Bl. John Paul II was educated at a seminary in which seminarians had to be hidden in secret cupboards during Nazi raids. Had they been caught, they would have been killed.

            Martin Niemoeller was imprisoned just for being disillusioned and outspoken, but even he said "they came for the Catholics" before the Nazis came for him.

            1. lizzieBoo profile image78
              lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Valerie, thank you. From time to time it's nice to see someone who actually reads history.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You should try it too, sometime. big_smile

                1. lizzieBoo profile image78
                  lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  lol

            2. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Really? Just for being a Catholic? Are you sure he didn't get arrested for providing shelter to refugees from Poland, 2000 of them being Jews?



              No, Stein was arrested after the Reichskommissar ordered the arrest of all Jewish converts, which means because she was of Jewish ancestry.



              Niemoller was arrested for his vehement opposition to the Nazis as was anyone who opposed them.

              1. Valerie F profile image60
                Valerie Fposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You have not refuted a single point I made about how the Catholic Church did not support the Nazis- and was targeted for that.

                Note that you've got no explanation for why seminarians in occupied Poland could not legally pursue their education or why Martin Niemoeller pointed out that "they came for the Catholics" other than the obvious- Hitler hated Catholics.

                Castlepaloma, a lot of politicians, including many who may be atheist in practice if not by overt profession, use the appearance of religious adherence to appeal to the people, most of whom are at least superficially religious, and fool them into supporting them. Hitler did it, and I imagine most politicians still do to some extent or another.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  To be a USA President you must be a christian. From the best liar that wins, from the people that voted him in, are just as bad.

                  What a viscous circle mess

    4. lizzieBoo profile image78
      lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      So you think the Russians were pleased with the murder of 20,000,000 of their fellow citizens?

      Hitler was driven by hatred. He also said that religion was not compatible with his vision of a perfect society. He rejected the idea of us all being God's children. He rejected the lame and the sick and the infirm and the devoutly religious. He rejected peace, charity and humility. What is it that makes you think Hitler had even the remotest Christian principles?


      Mao Zedong said "Religion is poison" and was responsible for the deaths of 70,000,000 chinese people.

      "Religions" have not been attacking atheists for 5,000 years. Aside from the fact that it is people, not "religions" who do bad things, the concept of atheism is a pretty new thing in relation to human history.

      1. A Troubled Man profile image61
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Please provide citations for your claims about what Hitler said.

        1. lizzieBoo profile image78
          lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Why? Is it news to you that he wasn't a very nice man?

          1. A Troubled Man profile image61
            A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            LOL! No, YOUR claims of what he said are news to me.

            1. lizzieBoo profile image78
              lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Well, it's true. I paraphrased what he had said in an interview which can be found on the net.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                lol Yeah right.

                1. lizzieBoo profile image78
                  lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  So why were there Catholic priests and nuns in Auschwitz as well as Jews?

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                    A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    What does that have to do with the fact the Catholic Church supported Hitler and signed and agreement saying so?

                    Facts don't seem to agree with you. lol

      2. Borsia profile image59
        Borsiaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Apparently you need to take a history refresher, religions have been condemning and persecuting atheism since the advent of a monotheistic religion.
        You might want to start with the Old Testament.
        It goes back to times before monotheism.
        Perhaps you have heard of Socrates? He was executed in 339 BC for corrupting the minds of the young by no believing in the gods.

        When you make broad statements in HunPages forums you really need to have the facts you claim.

        Hitler included references to God and faith in most of his speeches.
        As someone else pointed out he talked about his faith in Mien Kampf and throughout his reign.

        However if you go back to the original inference to Hitler in this thread someone listed the worlds evil atheists as being the same as the atrocities committed in the name of religions and they included, incorrectly, Hitler as an atheist, which he wasn't.

        Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and some other atheist did evil things to be sure.
        But none of them did those things in the name of atheism any more than Hitler did his evil deeds in the name of religion.

  3. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 5 years ago

    Are there any innocent religions?

    1. Borsia profile image59
      Borsiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Buddhism

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        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        History and current events refute that statement.

        1. Borsia profile image59
          Borsiaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Just where in history or recent events have Buddhist something evil?

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            Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Excerpt from Buddhist Warfare:
            Though traditionally regarded as a peaceful religion, Buddhism has a dark side. On multiple occasions over the past fifteen centuries, Buddhist leaders have sanctioned violence, and even war. The eight essays in this book focus on a variety of Buddhist traditions, from antiquity to the present, and show that Buddhist organizations have used religious images and rhetoric to support military conquest throughout history.

            Buddhist soldiers in sixth century China were given the illustrious status of Bodhisattva after killing their adversaries. In seventeenth century Tibet, the Fifth Dalai Lama endorsed a Mongol ruler's killing of his rivals. And in modern-day Thailand, Buddhist soldiers carry out their duties undercover, as fully ordained monks armed with guns.

            Buddhist Warfare demonstrates that the discourse on religion and violence, usually applied to Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, can no longer exclude Buddhist traditions. The book examines Buddhist military action in Tibet, China, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, Sri Lanka, and Thailand, and shows that even the most unlikely and allegedly pacifist religious traditions are susceptible to the violent tendencies of man. 


            Articles on contempory Buddhist violence

            http://www.religiondispatches.org/books … _violence/

            http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/slrv.htm

            http://www.compassdirect.org/english/co … _2377.html

            1. Borsia profile image59
              Borsiaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Very interesting I knew that Buddhist do fight in armies, but as a matter of patriotism not in the name of religion.
              I also knew that they took up arms against the Chinese in Tibet but what they had were a few old outdated arms against the Chinese army.

              But your references show that they also fought as aggressors which I had not heard of.
              I know from living with them that today, or at least where I was, they taught the principals of power through peace.

              So this proves that pretty much all religions are violent.
              I consider this another feather in the hat of atheism.

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                Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                That's all well and good, but if every religion died out, atheism would turn that hat full of feathers into a war bonnet. You two far ends can't seem to understand religion, or lack of it, isn't the source. We are.

                If there was no tale of Jesus with a whip to fantasize about, those who have violent desires, yet claim it is right and good because to be that way is following their fantasy, would still have violent desires.

                Were there no Mohammed, they'd still be fighting in the Middle East. And on, and on and on.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Hello Emile

                  Atheist will not grow that big because how many people would want go to an angry atheist parade. I would rather go to a gay parade and I,m not even gay

                2. Borsia profile image59
                  Borsiaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Huh?
                  Atheism doesn't have any doctrine or followers. It's not a religion.
                  I seriously doubt that we would have any parades if all religions stopped tomorrow. We really don't care that much.

                  Yes evil people would do evil things just as they do today with religions. But looking at China as an example, which is mostly atheist. The violence in the street is far less than countries like Colombia which is 95% Catholic. Much lower than any Muslim country and much less than the US.
                  This despite a population of 1.3 Billion in an area equal to the US.

                  Most developed countries are turning atheist. All of Western Europe has a high and growing rate of atheism as does the UK. Even our neighbor Canada has 30% atheist and another 30% agnostic. They have a very low crime rate.
                  Mexico, on the other hand, is a virtual hell hole with over 90% claiming to be some form of Christian.
                  90% of gang and cartel members come from devoutly religious homes.

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                    Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You need to review your statistics and I wouldn't put so much stock in them. The statistics you used for religious versus atheists are not the ones I found on Wikipedia last time I checked. I think, it depends on how you google it as to what  statistics you'll find. Because the ones I looked at showed Canada just slightly lower in the percentage of people who claimed religion than the US was and Great Britain was higher.

                    The crime rates  you used for China are gathered by an authoritative government with an agenda. I believe we heard similar praise for the low crime rate in the USSR when the Iron Curtain was down. Now that it is up....well, we all know that wasn't true.

                    Out of curiosity, how gullible are you? Do you believe everything you read that supports your opinion? I know that sounds rude, but this religious debate is trifling on some levels. At times, it appears we don't understand basic human nature.

                  2. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Canadians people hold 60% combined agnostic and Atheism viewpoints?,not from my experience.

                    Too many Canadian christian voted to break our peace tradition and go kill poor people in Afghanistan

                    Overall from my studies,  predominate non religious countries tend to be less warlike and criminal like than predominate religious countries.

                    Besides how warlike can  atheists be at 3% of the world's population. Guns, Sticks and stones can break my bones, but how can an over sized atheist mouth, be worst?

  4. brittanytodd profile image92
    brittanytoddposted 5 years ago

    Both atheists and believers should not be bashed.

    1. kirstenblog profile image76
      kirstenblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      People shouldn't be bashed, that I can agree with smile
      The general question that comes to my mind is, are you a person or a religion?
      As such folks don't need to take religion bashing personally (assuming it is bashing as opposed to being challenged, both happen on this site)

    2. Seek-n-Find profile image86
      Seek-n-Findposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed.  People are people, no matter their belief.  People are the cause for the kind and the unkind.  An atheist can show love--a religious person can show hatred.  An atheist can be cruel--a religious person can be kind.

      1. A Troubled Man profile image61
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That is not true. A non-belief in gods does not make people do bad things while a belief in a god can make good people do bad things, as history has shown us in spades.

        1. A Thousand Words profile image80
          A Thousand Wordsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          People are perfectly capable of being decent without religion. They are just as capable of being indecent without it.

          But it is typically the exposure of the idea that religion is equated with morality, that lack of religion could induce an equal lack of morality. It is the exposure to this that I think usually causes some atheists to do awful things. Once they find out it was a load of, what do you call it, gobbeldegook, they get pissed off and try to live their lives opposite of all the things they were taught was right.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            My concern is limited thinking, out of millions of books and even greater experiences. Just one good book, or not so good book such as the one Bible to be pushed as the be all and end all.  One book like the Bible can only add a small faction toward your balanced life. If done along with a healthy desire and attitude for the most people and nature that are not even aware of the bible and do fine enough without it.

  5. pisean282311 profile image57
    pisean282311posted 5 years ago

    Innocent religion is only one and that is called humanity...all other religions are man made which glorifies some thing which no one can see, make hero out of some one calling him messiah or something and condemn others who dont follow same school of thought...worst part is religion which calls itself peaceful can go on war to impose their own way of thinking...

    1. brittanytodd profile image92
      brittanytoddposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      There have been crimes committed by people of all religions, but everyone is entitled to their beliefs.  I think we should simply stick to our own beliefs and not "condemn others who don't follow the same school of thought," as you say.  Religion isn't the problem.  "The problem" is that some cannot accept that others may not have different beliefs, or that they generalize all member of a religion based on what a portion of people of that religion did.

      1. brittanytodd profile image92
        brittanytoddposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I meant "members" instead of "member" in the last sentence.  (Sorry.)

        1. pisean282311 profile image57
          pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          problem is never religion and u r right in that...in end it is how we humans think...religion is human product and even if religion doesnot exist , we still end up thinking my way is best theme quite often...

          1. brittanytodd profile image92
            brittanytoddposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Agreed.

  6. kirstenblog profile image76
    kirstenblogposted 5 years ago

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5775164_f248.jpg

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Give me some of those baby back ribs, baby back ribs...::'';::'''

      On 2nd thought,.forgot it, my mother is an atheists and she did'nt eat us three kid

    2. Philanthropy2012 profile image89
      Philanthropy2012posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Kirstenblog,

      At least the babies aren't getting the Catholic alternative..

  7. A Troubled Man profile image61
    A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago

    Well said, Borsia! smile

  8. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 5 years ago

    Innocent and religion in same sentence ? f-oxymoron tongue

  9. paradigmsearch profile image90
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    "What Motivates Atheists to Bash Innocent Religions?"

    Except for certain notable exceptions (hate groups, etc.), I think that most non-religious believers (atheists, agnostics) really don't care that much about religion one way or the other.

    I believe that what most non-religious folks become perturbed about, are those religion folks who  continually force their beliefs on the non-religion folks. The constant bombardment of proselytizing invariably leads to rebellion by the Proselytizee's.

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      +1

  10. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 5 years ago

    Satan

    1. Cagsil profile image82
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      roll

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Satan and Cagsil

        1. paradigmsearch profile image90
          paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, my! lol

  11. LookingForWalden profile image62
    LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago

    I would like the American government to adopt the most obscure religion on the planet as their official religion.
    Then I would like them to teach its principles at school, on tv, in public places. They could places monuments in front of courtrooms to reinforce the lack of equal justice for non believers.
    Then and only then, will they ever see the folly of their ways. 

    "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man" Thomas Jefferson

    1. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      All they have to do is look at those other nations who have some very obscure gods and see how they turned out.
      And then be remembered that america is not doing so badly with the God it has.

      Thomas jefferson was a 33 degree mason. Masons have a double doctrine message. Masons are involved in the occult.
      So am i surprised he said that.
      I think a more accurate statement might be: Satanism and occult practices are the most perverted system... but he did not.

      1. LookingForWalden profile image62
        LookingForWaldenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You missed the mark on what I was explaining... Again.

        I'm getting tired of teaching you the truth but here.

        Jefferson was a Deist  and didn't believe in a divine Jesus.

        He published his own bible where he removed Jesus divinity and miracles from the new testament which was handed out to congress for years.

        He was good friends with Thomas Paine.

        Maybe you should  read up on things besides the bible so I don't have to keep correcting you.

        1. Borsia profile image59
          Borsiaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The whole lie about the US being founded as a Christian, or any other religion, nation is pure wishful thinking and BS.

  12. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    Probably the same motivation experienced by religious people who post spurious rhetorical questions just to stir up trouble.

  13. Mikeydoes profile image81
    Mikeydoesposted 4 years ago

    People are different, some people like religion some don't. Many people find it pointless and others find it to be the only reason to live.

    What do I mean by this?

    Everyone is a different, just because certain atheists speak out about it, doesn't mean that it is all atheists. Just like the religious people that jam it down the atheists throats.

    I personally don't associate myself with any groups and certainly let people believe what they want, because ultimately, to me, happiness is the most important thing.

  14. KellyPittman profile image80
    KellyPittmanposted 4 years ago

    The question to be asking is "Why are the atheist preaching?"  What is their point to argue the non-existence of someone?  At least when a Christian wants to tell you about Jesus, he believes he is helping you.  He believes that your eternal soul will be saved.  I don't understand what the motivation is to argue about it.

    1. LookingForWalden profile image62
      LookingForWaldenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      When do atheists preach?

      Do they have an anti church where you live?

      The only times I ever hear about atheists are when they try to stop religion from interfering with government.

      1. Repairguy47 profile image61
        Repairguy47posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds like you're doing a little preaching now.

        1. LookingForWalden profile image62
          LookingForWaldenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Nah. Just sounds like you don't know the definition of preaching.

          Someone should ask Santa for a dictionary big_smile

          1. Captain Redbeard profile image61
            Captain Redbeardposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Not for nothing there friend but Richard Dawkins is on a religion genocidal spree! He bounces from pulpit to pulpit, or arena to arena, preaching the good news of science smile

            1. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Wow, how dishonest is that? "Religion genocidal spree" "Preaching the good news of science" lol

              Terrible evils sweeping the world in order to upset and curb the evangelical believer from spreading the Word. It just doesn't get any funnier than that. lol

              1. Captain Redbeard profile image61
                Captain Redbeardposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Dishonest? Why not listen to an interview with him. He freely admits exactly what I just said, that he is on a mission to kill religion.

              2. cprice75 profile image83
                cprice75posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                How is it dishonest to say that Richard Dawkins is an evangelical atheist?  He is spreading his ideology with as much vigor as evangelical Christians.  Even the Washington Post's website had one author that characterized Dawkins, Hitchens, et al as "Evangelical Atheists."  The Washington Post is not a bastion of evangelical Christianity by any stretch.  Just google Washington Post and Evangelical Atheists and it should pop right up.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Usually, someone who is evangelical is a Christian trying to convert others. Dawkins is neither. He is an evolutionary biologist who is an atheist that writes books and gives seminars on why believing in myths and superstitions is harmful to societies and mankind. He also is lobbying to stop child abuse.



                  lol Hardly.



                  Yes, it was written by Reza Aslan, a Muslim who has degrees in religion and writes books about Islam.

                  Oh yes, we can rely on his opinions of atheists. lol

                  1. cprice75 profile image83
                    cprice75posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    And we are just supposed to accept the opinions that atheists have of religious people?   

                    Should only atheists study and write about religion?  They are the only ones who are unbiased on the subject, right?

                    If we use your criteria here, then Richard Dawkins should just quit talking about religion.  We can't trust his opinion because he studies myths and superstitions and writes books about evolution.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The Christian is not helping or saving anyone. They are merely doing what they're told to do in order to get a seat beside Jesus in the afterlife. Their efforts are totally selfish and disrespectful to everyone they evangelize.

      And, it this evangelizing that has caused more wars and bloodshed throughout history than any other religion.

      1. lizzieBoo profile image78
        lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You really are a troubled man aren't you.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image61
          A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          At least one thing believers are consistent at is their penchant to take cheap shots during their long periods of dormant cognition. big_smile

          1. lizzieBoo profile image78
            lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Cheap shots? Christians are selfish, disrespectful, dishonest and ignorant according to you.
            You should learn the art of making an argument flow. This is just bickering.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Maybe to a high degree, yes, to say totally, no, it dose not flow.

            2. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              It is evidence based on what they say and write.



              lol That's not easy to do with selfish, disrespectful, dishonest and ignorant Christians.

              1. lizzieBoo profile image78
                lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You read nastiness into ordinary discourse. It's a shame you're so mistrusting of people. I would like to say  that you are by no means as rude as some people I've come across here, but I think you have more to say than you would like to reveal.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  How can you trust those who are blatantly dishonest?

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Forgive them, for they do not know, what they do.

                    JC is not the problem , it's the greedy, and over controlling leaders and their wrong translations who are the greatest BSers of all time

                  2. lizzieBoo profile image78
                    lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Trust issues? You're right, every time in history there has been a person who says "down with all religion" they invariably have a homocidal mania.

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      Cranfordjsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Religion isn't helping anyone by trying to dictate their reality. Religion needs to mind its on business. If it did this well, no Atheist would come off as "preaching". wink

  15. rLcasaLme profile image50
    rLcasaLmeposted 4 years ago

    Well, being in the previous group, i quite know what drove me to attack and bash at religions, it is the annoyance and frustrations that there are still religions despite of being in this age of information.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Generally I think Bashing is cruel, unnecessary, jabbering personal attacks with names calling. That's why they have rules on this forum.  I do challenge atheist and Christians of being one sided and extreme, yet, not interested in downing these groups, just want to get a closer understanding.

      I dwell within the Art circles for 12 hours a day. To dwell if God exist or to claim there is only one way to God, seem to be a very limit way of thinking and there must be a better or new way of thinking to serve mankind,nature and to be your own man/woman.

      Challenging both sides would not make me popular here. I have my own set of problem to solve with Artist Poor-Bashing . Artist are the poorest paid group in Canada. I no longer just work for the rich and seek to help the poor, mainly most of us. The poorest of poor and artist get blamed or stereotyped or mainly get ignored. We get blamed or falsely accused of being drunk, stoned and having large families and not looking for work. 

      So how would it serve mankind for Atheists and Christians to bash each other out, I give a you better than 50/50 chance you'll knock yourselves out.

  16. smzclark profile image61
    smzclarkposted 4 years ago

    what motivates religious folk to bash innocent athiests?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If Christian thinks their working for the best boss ever,  claiming to be soul walking their way to the“path of God and God's plan (Yahweh).  Yet, when you see how USA lives double morals, then I ask myself, did GOD give his plans to the greedy bullies. Because when any over ego sub ancient spiritual group claims to own all spiritually (which is 99% unknown) then claims to be all and end all. Bashing starts to fly off the handle  like GW Bush.   Many Christians seem to feel they are superior in some way and if anyone do not feel they agree with Yahweh , they may get little crusade against non-Christians from time to time.

  17. pisean282311 profile image57
    pisean282311posted 4 years ago

    Innocent religions?...whats that?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      We were all born sinners, nobody has a chance, we are all screwed.

      That's why the whole place will be burnt down in 2012

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        .......................................................................not

  18. whoisbid profile image79
    whoisbidposted 4 years ago

    I think that a lot of athiests get bashed by the religious and that it is the other way around a lot of the time.

  19. LucidDreams profile image82
    LucidDreamsposted 4 years ago

    I am not an athiest but a person who questions the traditional religous path. I too was brought up as a religous boy. I grew up going to church and learning the word. I did attend many different sects of religion through this period. My parents changed churches as we moved.

    Different ways of preaching "the word of god" became a way of life. This is because of all of the many translations which have come from history. It is not each churches fault, they just each see things a little differently. I do wonder which form of belief holds the true meaning though.

    I am not sure an athiest does anything any different then most who believe in religions. They each use what they have learned to form a valid opinion. One uses more science and one uses more faith.

    What I do know is more wars have been fought because of religous beliefs then over what athiests may believe or not.

  20. LeanMan profile image81
    LeanManposted 4 years ago

    What's an innocent religion????

    1. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That's a very good question.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe Amish and Mennonites are somewhat innocent ,yet lead  too much an isolated lifestyle

  21. gamergirl profile image59
    gamergirlposted 4 years ago

    Someone drank their Hatorade today.

  22. cprice75 profile image83
    cprice75posted 4 years ago

    It's interesting that most people blame religion for war and oppression.  The officially atheist Soviet Union did a good job of being very peaceful, didn't it?  Most people in Central and Eastern Europe really liked being under such an open society that officially opposed all organized religion.  Wars happen because of people.  All people are flawed, and to some degree self-absorbed.  Self-worship is a more common religion that Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, or anything else.  If  following Jesus makes me less than truly smart, so be it.  However, I am far from being a warmonger, so my religion does not make me more prone to pick anything other than an intellectual fight.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Atheists tend to be skeptical of supernatural claims and their lack of evidence. From less than 3% atheist population in the world today,.show me where to you find these militant atheists and or militant evolutionists phyically killing people?. 

      Sure Soviet Russia, is guilty of mass murderer for decades yet to compare to the  angers of religion,  Crusades, inquisitions, witch trials, and terrorist attacks for thousand of years. Which makes the atheist percentage of murdering people compares to Religion much much smaller.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image61
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If you don't care about being smart, at the very least, try to be honest.

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        Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Honest? People suck at times. No belief required for that. We are inhumane at times. No one ponders the question of god when they are showing a disregard for the sanctity of life.

        Ego, selfishness, greed. It's the antithesis to all that is good in us. No religion preaches these things openly (with the exception of prosperity Christian sects)

        Why in the world does the debate continue as to who has killed more? Religion is a tool. Without it we, as a species, would continue to conduct ourselves atrociously when it suited our fancy. Those in power would find a way to herd the masses into supporting their cause because many have no problem turning a blind eye to injustice for others if there is personal gain involved.

        I know you know this.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image61
          A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Really? Was not the entire basis of monotheistic religions founded on ego, selfishness and greed? Are these not the characteristics indoctrinated into children and fostered their whole lives? Do we not observe day in and day out those qualities being sanctioned into threads and posts here by those who embrace those religions?

          I retire to bedlam.



          LOL! Sure, that would be valid if we tossed sociocultural evolution, reason, rationale and logic into the bin adding a massive heaping of reality.



          I know it's pure bunkum. And, while I would agree those in power will attempt to find those ways to "herd the masses into supporting their cause" they will only succeed in their ventures as long as the masses continue to remain ignorant sheep.

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            Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I don't think so, but that is simply my perception. I consider religion dangerous because it is too easy to steer that course; but that isn't the only course a person can take when they believe in God. I think you know that.



            Some? Religion is the cause of those characteristics, for sure. The majority of those who lay claim to Christianity in this country? No. I think the things that have influenced them the most are outside of the bounds of religion.



            You've got me on that one.



            Really? I'm afraid those who profess religion and those who don't come from the same stock. I'm not going to waste my fingers on a rebuttal because history and current events does that more eloquently than I could.



            I agree.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              The course taken is usually the one that was brainwashed into them, the same one already mentioned.



              That is certainly not what we observe as most of them will tell us that their faith is the most important thing in their lives, well above family and friends. All outside influences are filtered through their faith.



              I have no idea what you're talking about. Same stock?

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                Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Same stock. We are all human ATM. Ignoring the root cause of the conflict serves us no purpose.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  True, but some are brainwashed while others are not, and that can make all the difference.

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                    Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Sadly, those who are brainwashed don't know it (and they are not all religious). And one doesn't have to be brainwashed to draw the wrong conclusion. Bias and emotion born of fear tainting facts misinterpreted is as dangerous as any brainwashing, imo.

      2. cprice75 profile image83
        cprice75posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Who's not being honest ?  I've given you a reference for the estimate in the number of those killed in the USSR.  World History textbooks will tell you that Hitler was very much enamored of social Darwinian survival of the fittest and racial science.  Since Jews, Slavs, etc. were inferior, they deserved to be put out of their misery in his worldview.  This is general knowledge, unless someone chooses to deny the overwhelming evidence.

        While Russia may have had many Orthodox Christians before the Revolution (Stalin himself attended seminary to become a priest), those in charge of the USSR were not in any sense of the word Christian. 

        I have seen documentaries on Hitler's occultic proclivities, so his "Catholicism" was not exactly orthodox.  Check out Deitrich Bonhoffer.  Hitler didn't think much of his Christianity.  Being baptized in a church does not make one a Christian any more than being in a living room makes one a couch.  Hitler's religion was basically one he made up for political purposes, not one that claims any special revelation.

  23. cprice75 profile image83
    cprice75posted 4 years ago

    If you go on a per capita basis, this is not necessarily the case.  Soviet Russia was one of the first officially atheist states.  Therefore, if the estimate I just read from a website from the U of Hawaii is correct, Stalinist Russia killed about 43 million.  If you add in the entire Soviet era, the number rises to 61 million.  What was their population?  The per capita percentage would be way higher than those killed in the name of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.   The bloodiest wars ever fought were the World Wars of the twentieth century.  Neither was ostensibly fought for religious purposes.  Leaders may have appealed to religious sentiment after the fact.  I'm not saying that his all people who followed Darwinian conclusions would do the same thing, but Hitler imbibed quite heavily into the whole "survival of the fittest" idea, which led to his attempt at the wholesale slaughter of Jews, gypsies, and Slavs.  That's not really religion, but evolutionary.  The German "religion" was one that was made up at the time to justify their activities.  Most Christians, for example, tended to be pacifistic until Constantine. 

    Bottom line: Religions don't kill people.  People kill people (although I will concede that some religions condone killing the other).

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Russia was mainly Christian until the turn of the early 19th century

      Hitler was a roman Catholic
      Pope  Pius XII's nuncio to Germany had meeting throughout World War II, with Hitler and Joachim von Ribbentrop.

      Hitlers aim was to stamp out gays, Jews and atheist 

      1. lizzieBoo profile image78
        lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You 're wrong. Go and read your history again.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          What part is wrong (is it my spelling again)?

          The Nazis killed 20 million Russians and 6 million Jews, which holocaust was worse.Yes Hitler was mad, yet do think Hitler would kill his fellow atheist?

          Even Nazi parade today have guys some walking around wearing a bishops dress in white,  now that is Xmass I bet they are prying for a white Christmas.

          I was teaching in Moscow Russia my form of art and built a few  history museum displays in different parts of the world, so  I have studied history books

          Hitler was baptized a Catholic,   he talks about God in Mein Kampf  regularly. Hitler was a member of the Catholic Church until his death. Where do you see Hitler in photos with atheists, you do see him in dozens photos by  Catholic Churches and with other top members of the Catholic Church

          1. lizzieBoo profile image78
            lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            To be a Catholic you must believe in the Catholic Church. It isn't about membership like some blood sect. Hitler was baptised Catholic by his parents but later fundamentally disagreed with the premise of Christianity which he only utilised to manipulate the Christian masses. I have great aunts and uncles in Germany who were forced to join the Hitler youth and had to go to Mass in secret for fear of getting into big trouble. They were only children.

            Among the earlier atrocities of the Nazis were the murdering of the elderly and the infirm, the handicapped and disabled, which was to go against the centuries old tradition among Christians to take care of the disadvantaged and the vulnerable. From the outset, Hitler wanted to remove the Christianity from Germany.

            Christianity was NOT the inspiration behind Nazism.

            Stalin was resonsible for the 20,000,000 Russians not Hitler.

            And if you are teaching your pupils that Nazism was in anyway affiliated with Christianity, then you are doing a very bad thing and poisoning the minds of a future generation.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Adolf Hitler did nothing to promote or encourage Germany's godless, atheists. You are telling me when Germany Nazi and Hitler invaded Russia, Stalin turn around and killed his own fellow atheist for Hitler, where dose it say that in the history books?

              I was to train the top selected Russian sculptors from every and all of part of Soviet Union, and they told me about the many stories where the Nazis invaded and killed their forefather. I only tolerate war stories, good new is in the world today per ca-pita there are less wars than in any other time in history

              Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933

              We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out. 


              Nazi Germany's soldiers wore belt buckles inscribed "Gott mit uns" ("God is with us"). "Christians supported the Nazis because they believed that Adolf Hitler was a gift to the German people from God. 
              and freethinkers but he spoke and acted regularly to promote and defend traditional Christian beliefs, values, and political policies.


              In the end Hitler thought he was the ultimate God and stamp himself out

              1. lizzieBoo profile image78
                lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                No, you really do need to find out more about Stalin. Extraordinary though is might seem, Stalin was responsible for killing his own people. Heard of the Gulag? Same as Mao and Pol pot killed their own people.
                But Hitler killed his own people too. The Jews from Germany were German. He slaughtered his own people, first disguising himself as a Christian to get into power, and then, bit by bit exposing how truly wicked and godless he was.

            2. A Troubled Man profile image61
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              lol So, that's why he began exterminating the Jews?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Such a jealous God, they did not like the game Running with the Jews

              2. lizzieBoo profile image78
                lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know what you mean.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Some Christian think God's name is Jealous, because he is a jealous God and wants to own everything. I tried to teach others not to be jealous because it's low energy, I'm sure someone will tell me I'm over ruled by God's regardless of Yahweh many faults.

                  Running with the Jews is like running with the Bulls, just a silly part in a movie called Borate.  Jews try to grab your money with these giant hands.

                  1. DoubleScorpion profile image87
                    DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    That comes from this:

                    Exodus 34:14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

  24. secularist10 profile image91
    secularist10posted 4 years ago

    I won't waste time on the OP because it's tripe. But just to address some of the other canards being raised here:

    The fact that the USSR or Maoist China was officially "atheist" is irrelevant. Sweden has a state Lutheran church. Is Sweden a population of devout Lutherans? No, it is a heavily secular population shot through with atheism and humanism.

    Yes, Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin were atheist. They also all had dark hair. Perhaps it is dark hair that makes people kill millions? They also all did not speak English. Perhaps it is lack of speaking English that made them kill millions? They were also all men. Perhaps being a man makes you kill millions?

    Or we could look at the main driving force of their lives: VIOLENT REVOLUTIONARY COMMUNISM. Duh.

    Moreover, among the most peaceful and stable populations on earth today, they are mostly atheist and secular.

    Secondly, you cannot compare the violence of the 20th century to the violence of the middle ages and say "these 20th century dictators killed more people, therefore they were more dangerous." They had far more advanced weaponry and the tools of the modern state at their disposal.

    Imagine what the Crusaders could have done with machine guns. Imagine what the Inquisitors could have done with gas chambers.

    Overall, history is very clear that as religion has declined in the world, violence and instability has declined. Where religion is high, violence is high. Where religion is low, violence is low.

    "Religion" and "innocence" hardly seem to go in the same sentence.

    1. lizzieBoo profile image78
      lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The point is, that though Stalin, Mao whatever, didn't commit atrocities "in the name of atheism" (whatever that means), they definitely did what they did with a determined hatred for religion and a desire to stamp it out.
      The Chinese have killed 1,000 Tibetans so far, since Mao Zedong gave them the go-ahead with the words "religion is poison".

      What you imagine the Crusaders "might" have done today is an irrelevant matter of flimsy conjecture.

      You say the driving force is "violent revolutionary communism". I say,  the driving force is a lack of Christianity. A deadened spirituality. The God of self as apposed to the God of Love.

      1. mischeviousme profile image59
        mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The God of love that destroyed Sodom and Gamora? The God of love that smote the Philistines? Which God of love are you talking about?

        1. lizzieBoo profile image78
          lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          That's not Christianity.

      2. A Troubled Man profile image61
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That would show that you have no idea what Communism is about.

        Communism isn't about a lack of Christianity or any other religion.

        In fact, Communism deals with all matters of society and is thrust upon it's people regardless of their religious affiliation, whether they are Christians, Muslims, Jews or atheists. All have to tow the party line.

      3. secularist10 profile image91
        secularist10posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Stalin and co. had a hatred for a lot of things, Lizzie. They hated religion. They hated capitalism. They hated America. They hated kings. They hated anyone who disagreed with them. They hated the bourgeoisie. They hated proletariats that were not willing to kill for communism like they were. They hated compromise.

        To single out hatred of religion as particularly unique or of utmost relevance to them is to ignore the depth of what they were all about.

        Maoists killed Tibetans because they hated Tibetan religion, yes. They also killed Tibetans (and continue to oppress them) because of the purely ethnic centuries-old hatred of the Han Chinese toward the Tibetans, irrespective of religion.

        "What you imagine the Crusaders "might" have done today is an irrelevant matter of flimsy conjecture."

        Way to ignore my argument. If you are honest, you know this point makes sense. Here's an analogy: who's richer, China or Luxembourg? Well, on the surface, China has a gargantuan economy relative to Luxembourg. So Chinese are richer, right? Wrong. When you look a little closer, look at the wealth per person, we see that the average Chinese person is actually far poorer than the average Luxemburger. We must adjust the surface statistics for other very relevant factors.

        In the same way, we must adjust the number killed for the very relevant factor of the weaponry used to kill. It is obviously far easier to kill large numbers of people with a machine gun than with a sword.

        I say, the driving force is a lack of Christianity. A deadened spirituality."

        This can be proven wrong on logical grounds. But ignoring that for the moment, let's look at the real world: what do we see? We see that as western civilization has become less religious over the centuries, it has become more peaceful, prosperous and stable. We see that among countries today, the most religious (Iran, Afghanistan, Nigeria, etc) tend to be among the most violent, while the least religious (Sweden, Japan, Germany, Netherlands, etc) tend to be the most peaceful and wealthy.

        Facts are facts, Lizzie. Lack of Christianity, if anything, leads to more peace and prosperity, not less. I have written a number of hubs on this topic.

        1. lizzieBoo profile image78
          lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Sweden, Germany and Netherlands are secular states inhabited by Christians. I agree that government and religion are best kept separate. They are a good example of this being the case.

          Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Nigeria etc. a) tie up government and religion and b) are not Christian.

          Incidentally, Luxembourg is one of the most peaceful and financially successful countries in the world and has always been Catholic.

          What makes America great is the freedom of its people combined with its Christianity. In my view.

          Japan is an enigma to the rest of the world because they seem to be the exception to every rule.

          The west has only become less spiritual in the last 60 or 70 years really and in that time it has had the two worst wars EVER. This year alone, with its violence and looting,  has shown us in the west how pointless the idea of existence has become to the godless future generation.
          Those are the facts that worry me.

          1. secularist10 profile image91
            secularist10posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Do I really need to provide the battery of stats indicating the secularism of the people of western Europe, especially northern Europe?

            What on earth makes you think a society (Germany) for whom public nudity is something of a national hobby is a Christian culture? Because their ancestors happened to be so? Because one of their main political parties happens to be named "Christian Democrats"? LOL!

            With pornography, prostitution, blasphemy, premarital sex, divorce, abortion, etc. How are these Christian peoples?

            Have you not heard of the decline of church attendance across the west? You yourself just lamented the godlessness of the west--and yet you say these western cultures are Christian? Which is it?

            You are wrong. Nigeria has a huge Christian population (and they are known for enjoying killing and being killed by their Muslim neighbors). Christian populations across Africa and India demonstrate a proclivity toward violence and backwardness. The secularized "Christians" in the west (such as they are) are more peaceful.

            Luxembourg is nominally Catholic. Do I really need to clarify the difference between someone calling themselves "Christian" and actually believing or living that life?

            The west has been declining in religiosity since the Renaissance. And it has become progressively more peaceful and free. This is EVEN with the world wars, EVEN with the genocides of the 20th cent. The stats show that today the west is at its most peaceful in ages.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              sounds about right

            2. lizzieBoo profile image78
              lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              seculartist10, you don't need to clarify. Since I live and am from northern Europe I am more than aware of its situation.
              Germany is a Christian country with secular laws. Yes, because of its heritage, no, not because of its penchant for nudity or its keen interest in organisation. That is not to say they are good Christians, or even particularly believing Christians. Britain is the same. The loudest noise you hear will be from the self-proclaimed humanists, so you could be forgiven for thinking they dominate.

              What is clear to me about Christianity, is that it survives very well along side secular society, even deeply immoral society. As (I agree with you) we can see throughout Europe and in America; (the land of Playboy, Hustler, Kissinger and Billy Graham.) Christianity works best in a free society, but a free society also brings with it the possibility of a certain amount of immorality. The Netherlands is Christian, despite its liberality. Even Thomas Aquinas sights how a Christian society must make moral concessions in order to avoid a worse evil. The liberality has now gone too far in my view.

              What Christianity does not do well along side is Islam. Nigeria is a classic example. The trouble there is caused by Muslims with an aggressive dislike of Christians. Same in Pakistan where Christians are murdered and sometimes crucified on a regular basis. Indeed, ever since the 7th century when Islam was founded, one of the first acts of Muslims was to take over Bethlehem and to attack Christians, hence the start of the Holy wars.One of the reasons why Turkey has not yet been been accepted into the European union is because it is  a Muslim country which is known to clash with Christianity. Harsh but true.
              Luxembourg, (where my brother lives with his luxembourg wife) has a Catholic monarchy, it even still has nuns as nurses in its hospitals. I'm not sure how long those would last in an entirely non-Christian country. Malta is another.

              As to your last point, I'm not sure I agree. There was a peak in religious expression during the Renaissance and I would agree that our faith has been in decline since then As for becoming more peaceful....? Let us list the following events: Renaissance followed by the Reformation, during which the people of Britain lived 120 years in fear of torture and death for their beliefs and several generations witnessed the destruction, if not corruption of its art, literature and Holy places. What also began at that time was colonisation and the  mass slavery of 12 million Africans and South America,  which was to continue some 300 years.
              America was founded, but not before annihilating a number of native American tribes.
              Then there was the industrial revolution in which we began an onslaught on the natural world with a stampede of factories the length and breadth of the country, scarring both the land, the air and social communities. Millions lost their dignity and left their children behind to work as bits of machinery in factories.
              It has all climaxed beautifully with the horror of world wars and the complete loss of belief in anything.
              It is peaceful in the same way there is silence immediately after an explosion. I'm not sure if we can be that optimistic about our future.

              1. secularist10 profile image91
                secularist10posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Lizzie, I've traveled all over Europe and I am not taking my cues from the "loudness" of the humanists and atheists. I am talking about the statistics and the facts (I guess I do have to cite these). For instance, one third of French are atheist. One fifth of the Swedish are atheist. The numbers of course get higher as we include agnostics and the secularized people who still technically believe in God.

                You seem to have a different definition of a "Christian society" than I do. To me, it only makes sense to call someone a Christian if they believe and live their life according to that religion. I have ancestors that were probably devout Christians. Does that make me a Christian by default? Despite that I have never believed in God or Jesus?

                All religions work best in a free society. That's why there is so much religious dynamism in a country like the US.

                Both Muslims and Christians are to blame in Nigeria. To paint Christians as the innocent victims of centuries-long Muslim aggression is understandable given your loyalties, but ignores abundant Christian faults that are just as bad on the whole.

                Just to be clear, the vast majority of Native Americans were killed through disease, not any direct action by Europeans. But yes, there was genocide there.

                I reiterate, there have been many tragedies and violence over the centuries, but relatively speaking the peace and prosperity in the west has been much greater.

                Just think: if the bad stuff outweighed the good stuff, then why and how did we get to where we are now? We would not have the highest living standards in human history, the lowest crime rates, the most freedom, the most flourishing in scientific and intellectual advance, the healthiest and longest lives, the most opportunity for people of all genders and races, and the greatest material wealth in history. We would be WORSE off than we were 500 years ago, or we would all be dead. Come on.

                The millions killed in the world wars is awful, but we realize the good outweighs the bad when we remember the billions that have the freedom, wealth, health and education aforementioned. The proportions in question are even more obvious when recall that the world population has doubled over the last 50 or so years--yet war/violence has decreased all the more.

                To call this a peace after an explosion is to ignore the vibrant dynamism of modern western civilization: art, music, science, technology, medicine, philosophy, political freedom, economic opportunity.

                On an emotional level, I understand the impetus for a child of privilege, living in a beautiful mansion and waited on by 10 servants, with the best education and best fashion money can buy, to cry "woe is me" when their favorite pet dies. But rationally speaking, with all things considered, that response is nonsense.

                Perspective, Lizzie. Perspective.

                Again--I cannot reiterate this enough--the least religious cultures on earth (Sweden, Netherlands, Japan, etc) are the most prosperous and peaceful. That is the fact.

                1. mischeviousme profile image59
                  mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Couldn't have said it better myself. The fact that some Christians are willing to defame themselves with false statistics and backward history is astonishing to me. This is not to say that I don't respect both sides of the argument.

                       That being said, the secular line of thinking tends to be flawed as is and I find myself debating with people unarmed to do true verbal battle, especially with those of the modern christian regime.

                2. Valerie F profile image60
                  Valerie Fposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Spoken like someone who never knew a Holocaust survivor or a war veteran. "So sorry your family died by the millions, but at least I have the freedom to be crass and insensitive over the Internet and belittle your sacrifice by calling it merely 'awful.'" That's how it comes across.

                  1. mischeviousme profile image59
                    mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    The question was "why do atheists bash on innocent religions". I said that there is no such thing as an innocent religion and that more people have died in the name of realistate and religion than any other man made cause. That was the basis of my argument and it really had nothing to do with any nationallity. Maybe I should have more clear and precise with my wording.

                  2. secularist10 profile image91
                    secularist10posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Valerie, really? Way to completely ignore my argument and attack me personally.

                    "Merely awful"? You honestly think I don't realize the depth of the Holocaust tragedy? You don't even know me.

                    If you don't like the word "awful" please tell me what specific vocabulary words I should use so that you will be satisfied.

                    But to the larger point, if you truly believe that all human lives are equally valuable, then you will see that, IN THE AGGREGATE humanity is better off today than it was centuries ago. An individual, a group, or even millions murdered IS awful (or a tragedy or whatever vocabulary word you want), but it IS NOT AS SIGNIFICANT AS THE MILLIONS AND BILLIONS MORE that have led peaceful, productive, satisfactory lives.

                    Only if you truly believe all human lives are equal in value will you see this fact.

                  3. mischeviousme profile image59
                    mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    My grandparents came from germany, one side during the German socialist movement in which anyone with a demacratic view was killed and the other during world war ii and was a prisoner in an internment camp. Don't presume to tell who I do and who I don't know. Plus my answer had nothing to do with war so much as the reasons that start them.

                3. lizzieBoo profile image78
                  lizzieBooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  secularist, I don't want to keep finding ways to contradict your arguments, but there is another side to all your points. Sweden may be peaceful politically but it also has the worlds highest suicide rate. The happiness levels are not great.
                  Japan may be largely peaceful but has a history of cruelty to other nations including extreme torture and the intentional spreading of siphilis around its enemy nations during WW2.
                  The Chinese are guilty of killing millions of their own babies due to their one-child policy and forced abortions, the death penalty and corruption is rife.
                  Russia's abortion rate has just surpassed its birth rate!
                  I must reiterate the view that the problem is that the world is not Christian enough. There is not enough love for our fellow man. There is not enough care and charity and goodwill. To take the view "thank God religion is dying out" ('scuse the pun) is to ignore the very thing that unites us in a good way.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You have a point about suicide, because directly, suicide is a greater cause of death than wars.

                    Indirectly and distractionally wars budgets and war  over suppress people is indirectly related to the number one cause of death, poverty.

                    Over population is a humanity an nature crime, because we live with a million other species and their are going extinct at 3 species a day yet do agree there must be a better way than one sided Chinese male population.

                    For suicides, abortion, cannabis, gays, and many of non christian who prefer less crime and warlike resolves. Give non Religious people the free choice to their own minds and bodies yet first educate them well because mainly people know what is wrong or right along with love and kindness.

                    One World Order will force me to live in the hills, if the hills don't have eyes too.

                  2. Jane Bovary profile image87
                    Jane Bovaryposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    No but the Vatican seemed to be able to accommodate itself ok to Nazism, even after the war, when it aided and abetted the passage of Nazi war criminals through the infamous Rat Line. It's true that individual priests fought against Nazism but they weren't getting their orders from the official Church.



                    At the time of WW2, the Emperor of Japan was regarded not only a religious head of state but an actual deity. This was not a secular society...back then the Japanese believed they were fighting for their God.

                  3. Jane Bovary profile image87
                    Jane Bovaryposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Yet caring and goodwill are not peculiar to Christianity. Why can't we be united through our common humanity? There will never be 'one uniting religion'..even within one faith there can be excluding divisions. Looking around the world at all the violent hotspots,in the big picture, religion seems more divisive than it is uniting.

                  4. secularist10 profile image91
                    secularist10posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Lizzie, the data just don't back you up.

                    Sweden unhappy? Hmmm... let's look at the happiest countries in the world survey:

                    http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/14/world- … table.html

                    Who are at the top? You guessed it, our good friends the Nordics. Here's the top ten:

                    1. Denmark
                    2. Finland
                    3. Norway
                    4. Sweden
                    5. Netherlands
                    6. Costa Rica
                    7. New Zealand
                    8. Canada
                    9. Israel
                    10. Australia

                    Lots of secular cultures there.

                    Now of course autocratic governments like China are going to do bad things. Jane makes a great point on Japan. But even so, war and aggression between countries is separate and apart from the internal culture of the people.

                    I don't quite understand what Christianity or religion has to do with uniting people. It just seems to be another layer of division.

                    That's not to say religion cannot have positive effects. It can. But any positives (community spirit, moral guidelines, sense of purpose, etc) can be easily had through nonreligious means.

  25. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 4 years ago

    In Regard to the OP's Original Question...

    I believe for me... it was the influence of the Film - 'Clockwork Orange' and the Song - 'Singing in the Rain.' smile

    - I claim that it was a Completely Innocent reaction to what was promoted as new dance moves! smile  Besides, didn't Billy Connelly start it all with his TV show.. "What to do with your Watchtower!".. I swear that I never swore before seeing that show! smile

  26. Mikalyn profile image59
    Mikalynposted 4 years ago

    There seems to be a troubling aspect of our views here, there is certainly not a black and white line between atheists and religious people. I think what we are all talking about is four distinct characteristics of humanity...

    Religion is a covenant...it is an organization. People choose to commit themselves to an organization in return for the spiritual guidance and community that is offered to them through this covenant...You do not need to be a member of a religion in order to have a relationship with god.

    Atheism could even be viewed as a type of religion (by some) as it meets certain qualifications. It's a group of people who engage in a similar belief structure and form community based upon that structure.

    So, battle's between atheists and religious people are very similar to battles between different religions...but there's a huge point being missed because antagonism is not an act of the spirit, it's an act of the heart. There are antagonistic people on any side of any disagreement throughout history. Whether you are willing to antagonize someone or not only reflects upon your psychological character, not really upon your spiritual character.

    The spirit transcends religion and atheism. The spirit longs only for peace and stillness...regardless of how you believe that comes about. Like it or not, you're all on the same journey. It's just that one story doesn't work for everyone. The point is to find peace and stillness and let your brain do what it does rather than try and occupy it with pointless thoughts and worries.

  27. GoldenBird profile image60
    GoldenBirdposted 4 years ago

    I once met a good guy in a train. He would make nasty jokes about other people wives, very nasty. He was doing so. Then someone made such a beautiful joke about that joker's wife.. guess what? He got angry! lol

    HubPages is full of children, and they love to do those things over the internet, that they could never even dream to speak to the people they hurt, in a real life setting. They would get bleeding nose to begin with.



    Take it lightly  Mick Menous.

  28. Jane Bovary profile image87
    Jane Bovaryposted 4 years ago

    "The biggest boom of all has been in Christianity"

    Maybe you'll get your wish lizzieBoo

  29. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    According to Chinese philosophy, every journey begins with a single step, and each subsequent step is necessary to reach your destination. Far from being a waste of time, religion was a necessary step. Seeking to understand the world around us, gave birth to science. Many scientists also have spiritual or religious beliefs. How in the hell could all the "brilliance" come from a foundation of so much idiocy? It can't.

  30. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    They wish to point out how accepting they are of others?

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    nomadicasianposted 4 years ago

    You hit it bull's eye brother, I agree with you and God bless.

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    Muldaniaposted 4 years ago

    No belief is entirely innocent.  There has been a lot of evil committed in the name of religion, as well as atheism.  Human beings need to believe that they are correct, and are often willing to do evil deeds in order to prove their point.  If we were willing to accept that none of use knows everything, perhaps we could accept that it is pointless to argue over things we cannot ever hope to prove.

  33. Kikilari profile image60
    Kikilariposted 4 years ago

    I can say you trash us because you are pretty miserable in your life.  You love your life, so you don't want to change it because you are scared of change.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Religion is too comfortable for many changes, yet the force is strong to change our selves.

  34. kirstenblog profile image76
    kirstenblogposted 4 years ago

    Religions aren't innocent.

 
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