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Why do christians insist on telling atheists what an atheist is?

  1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
    Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago

    Why do christians insist on telling atheists that atheism is the beleif that there is no god while almost all atheists say it is the lack of belief in a god?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe because the two things aren't quite the same?

      1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
        Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hello Brenda. That's kind of the point of my question.

      2. MelissaBarrett profile image61
        MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I think that's the point Brenda.

    2. OutWest profile image59
      OutWestposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Same thing really..not believing.  I find it's usually the atheist telling the believer what their belief is..at least on this forum it happens quite often.

      1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
        Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That does happen quite a lot I suppose but there is a difference. With chrisitianity for example, christianity kind of has set beliefs, ie jesus is the son of god, but with atheism, it simply denotes lack of belief. It doesnt say anything about what IS believed.

    3. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Christians work from the position of belief when entertaining most concepts and ideas. They will say, "I believe or I don't believe" or ask a question, "Do you believe in..."  Almost everything is a belief and not an understanding.

      1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
        Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I find that quite often. Theists often refer to beleifs even when indisputable evidence is available. For example, evolution is probably the most comon one. It saddens me when people say that it is a choice to believe in evolution.

        1. OutWest profile image59
          OutWestposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Evolution often has a dual meaning.  Evolving as a single specie and evolving from one specie to another.  Either way it could be said it is part of God's plan.  We are not all bible believers, like in Adam and Eve.

          1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
            Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The whole "micro, macro" thing was coined by theists who dont want to admit that species evolve into new species.

            It was coined because evolution is undeniable. Life forms change. The argument that lifeforms evolve but then stop evolving before they become a different species is just ridiculous.

            If something changes then it stands to reason that the more it changes, the more different it will be from the original.

          2. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No, the meaning is still the same, the only difference is time.

            1. psycheskinner profile image82
              psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Or more specifically, whether they can and will bonk and produce fertile offspring.  But still the same process.

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    Probably for the same reason atheists dash about telling christians what they are and what they think when the atheist has no clue. Lack of curiosity to fully understand.

    1. lone77star profile image90
      lone77starposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Brilliant point, Emile! Yes, I find myself doing that, too. But humility and curiosity are so much better. I have learned so much from people who had different viewpoints than my own. It gets a bit difficult with the other person is overly pushy or judgmental, but that's the challenge.

    2. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
      Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't christians supposed to share the same beliefs?

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        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        With atheists? I don't think so. I thought atheists had no belief in God.

        1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
          Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          LOL with eachother smile

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            Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            smile  Seriously, though. Of course they don't share beliefs. Haven't you seen the posts where the Catholics and the Pentecostals throw down? And that Universal Unitarian gives them h*ll at every turn. You couldn't converse with two Christians whose beliefs are a mirror image of each other.

            Just like all atheists aren't the same. Some are spiritual, some are pagan, some are pantheists.

            No two people think the same. Whatever their beliefs, or lack of them. No matter what you might want to believe.

            1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
              Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I agree entirely but since one is describing lack of belief and the other is describing a belief, surely the one that describes a belief (christianity) should be the same belief. I mean, it's the same book afterall with the same words.

              I find it hilarious to sit back and watch 2 theists arguing.

  3. lone77star profile image90
    lone77starposted 5 years ago

    Hi, Hippy. Good question.

    "Why do christians insist on telling atheists that atheism is the beleif that there is no god while almost all atheists say it is the lack of belief in a god?"

    Personally, I know the difference, but it seems that many atheists, especially on this and similar forums don't. They say one thing but act out the other.

    It's not up to me that they are defacto believing there is no God, but their statements betray that sentiment. Not all, certainly, but even those that do act this way think that atheism is a lack of belief in a god. I suppose it comes from a lack of self-awareness, but that's just a guess.

  4. paradigmsearch profile image87
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    "Why do christians insist on telling atheists what an atheist is?"

    It's a messy job, but someone has to do it. lol

    Deuteronomy 4:17:subsection b:paragraph 4:notation III

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi lady. Great Scripture there, including the surrounding passages and their meaning.
      What do you refer to in the "subsection", etc...?
      And would you elaborate on your meaning as to how the passage relates to the topic question?  You've piqued my interest.  smile

  5. MissE profile image80
    MissEposted 5 years ago

    It's quite a concept isn't it?  People defining who you are and your beliefs....and they don't even know you.  It's shocking.  Never happens the other way around......Ok....you caught me.....I'm being sarcastic again.  Now who saw that coming?!  Now the part I like is when Christians tell other Christians that they are in fact..... not Christians.  Pointing fingers and name calling is fun isn't it?    Every time you point your finger three more are pointing right back at ya. There's a gem of knowledge.  big_smile

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    ThomasRydderposted 5 years ago

    Soooo...perhaps it's a poor question..but what DO atheists believe?

    1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Atheist is a lack of belief (in a God).

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        ThomasRydderposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That;'s not what I asked...that's answering what they don't believe in...what do they?

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
          DoubleScorpionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Outside of theology...They "believe" what is factual or what is proven with supporting evidence.

          The word "Atheist" is a term associated to religious beliefs or lack there of.
          It can only really be applied to religious topics. And they have no beliefs in some or all aspects of the concept of religion or Gods

        2. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
          Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Atheism simply denotes a lack of a belief. It says nothing whatsoever about what is believed.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Is there something specific an atheist should believe? Is it a problem if they don't believe in something?

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        ThomasRydderposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Nope...I was just wondering what they believe. The main crux in the whole matter (which I've seen discussed in many places on HP) is where we came from. Was it God? the Big Bang? Alien races populating the planet? So...if atheists don't believe in God, where do they believe we came from?

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Perhaps, it's not a matter of believing where we came from, but instead, developing an understanding based on the information and data available.

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            ThomasRydderposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Semantics don't count...if you don't  BELIEVE in the creation, what do you BELIEVE?

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              There is no semantics in distinguishing belief from understanding, they are not the same thing.



              Why do you get the impression I have to believe in creation, or something else?

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                ThomasRydderposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You have to...you seem to be an intelligent fellow...you telling me you haven't pondered the origination of the human race and come to some conclusion?

                1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Answers to the origination of the human race can be found through evolution.

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                    ThomasRydderposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    AHA...as I suspected....now wasn't that easy? You don't have to be ashamed....
                    So, you don't think that evolutionism and Christianity can exist hand in hand? Why, even the Catholic Church is sliding over to a altered view on the subject. Are you more wise then they?

                  2. aka-dj profile image80
                    aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah, right!! lol

                    Please show us where that is! lol lol lol
                    (No opinions allowed here)! hmm

  7. LookingForWalden profile image59
    LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago

    Jp 2 did more than slide the church over to evolution.

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      ThomasRydderposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Of coursse he did...he shocked the world. I was speaking somewhat tongue in cheek. However, I was also speaking to troubled man's apparent inability to reconcile himself with the here and now.

      1. A Troubled Man profile image60
        A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        LOL! lol

  8. LookingForWalden profile image59
    LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago

    Shaky science perhaps a por choice of words .
    Let's say we had an allegory of a murder case.
    You could not convict creationism with spontaneous generation.
    Not yet anyways.

 
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